Concept Art for Transformers Generations Combiner Wars by Emiliano Santalucia
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Posted by Cobotron on May 29th, 2017 @ 5:08pm CDT
Posted by Zeedust on May 29th, 2017 @ 7:17pm CDT
It's an odd effect. The battle is pure 80's guys with their 80's look, but above this throwback, Alpha Trion sits, in his new and vastly different Titans Return body, surrounded by sigils that have come and gone over the course of the franchise. It's like one picture using another, vert different picture as a frame. It's not a bad picture, it's just... a little strange.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 29th, 2017 @ 10:31pm CDT
Everyone else looks like, well, Dreamwave G1.
Posted by Towline on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:14am CDT
NOOO combiner wars is ruined.
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 4:24am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Everyone else looks like, well, Dreamwave G1.
Well that's just mean. The characters have correct proportions and there's an actual background
Posted by Hydrargyrus on May 30th, 2017 @ 6:58am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on May 30th, 2017 @ 9:56am CDT
Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Everyone else looks like, well, Dreamwave G1.
Well that's just mean. The characters have correct proportions and there's an actual background
As someone who actually liked DW I take it as a compliment...Oh what could have been...This one drawing alone is better than that awful Machinima series that was released.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:06am CDT
I mean, like, Superion, there, looks like he stepped right off the page of his Dreamwave MTMTE profile:o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Everyone else looks like, well, Dreamwave G1.
Well that's just mean. The characters have correct proportions and there's an actual background
As someone who actually liked DW I take it as a compliment...Oh what could have been...This one drawing alone is better than that awful Machinima series that was released.
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:10am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I mean, like, Superion, there, looks like he stepped right off the page of his Dreamwave MTMTE profile:o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Everyone else looks like, well, Dreamwave G1.
Well that's just mean. The characters have correct proportions and there's an actual background
As someone who actually liked DW I take it as a compliment...Oh what could have been...This one drawing alone is better than that awful Machinima series that was released.
Aw c'mon man, I just got finished with all of Dreamwave's stuff; don't make me look at the artwork again
Still, I do get what you mean. Hyper-accurate to the original toys and such. Thankfully this looks way better than whatever War and Peace was supposed to be.
Posted by o.supreme on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:17am CDT
The MTMTE series done by Dreamwave was a really nice update to what was done by the Marvel 4-issue Transformers Universe series back in 1986. Armada MTMTE was pretty good too, as was The Beast Wars Sourcebook from IDW. I would like to see more Profile/Sourcebook from other series, and the remaining original series characters that never got one.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:20am CDT
Including all of its errors, lies, contradictions, and selective bad artwork?o.supreme wrote:as was The Beast Wars Sourcebook from IDW.
Posted by william-james88 on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:23am CDT
Kurona wrote:Aw c'mon man, I just got finished with all of Dreamwave's stuff; don't make me look at the artwork again
Posted by o.supreme on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:32am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Including all of its errors, lies, contradictions, and selective bad artwork?o.supreme wrote:as was The Beast Wars Sourcebook from IDW.
Like I said it was pretty good, not perfect. Besides, I've never read any 3P fiction, so I have no idea what's -what in BW anymore. I haven't read Gathering or Ascending since their original release. I tend to stick to what was in BW the animated series, BWII, and BW Neo -Botcon & club fiction I haven't really read, or even consider.
Also I've never understood all the hate DW gets. Yes Pat Lee is a criminal, we all get that, but The Transformers ongoing they had, as short-lived as it was, was for me, by far the most entertaining and excited I have ever been for Transformers in Print. It figures, the one story I actually fully invest myself in gets cancelled....
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:35am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:Aw c'mon man, I just got finished with all of Dreamwave's stuff; don't make me look at the artwork again
I can physically feel my soul trying to tear itself from this mortal plane. Thank god CW Devastator doesn't look like this monstrosity; there's better proportions and sense of art direction in the friggin' G1 Boxart.
The worst part is? That's a joke, but I looked at the picture I just linked again and I think it's actually true. I feel like crawling into my grave 70 years early.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:41am CDT
BotCon and Club fiction is barely a blip on the radar of the Sourcebook's inaccuracies and failings. The Sourcebook deliberately set out to trample all over the source material of BWII and Neo by completely rewriting nearly all of those series' characters from the ground up, willfully ignoring the Japanese characters' cartoon portrayals/personalities and instead making up near-entirely new ones that went against how all those characters originally were. In other words, virtually every single one of the Sourcebook's profile entries on the Japanese BW characters was a lie.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Including all of its errors, lies, contradictions, and selective bad artwork?o.supreme wrote:as was The Beast Wars Sourcebook from IDW.
Like I said it was pretty good, not perfect. Besides, I've never read any 3P fiction, so I have no idea what's -what in BW anymore. I haven't read Gathering or Ascending since their original release. I tend to stick to what was in BW the animated series, BWII, and BW Neo -Botcon & club fiction I haven't really read, or even consider.
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 11:48am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:BotCon and Club fiction is barely a blip on the radar of the Sourcebook's inaccuracies and failings. The Sourcebook deliberately set out to trample all over the source material of BWII and Neo by completely rewriting nearly all of those series' characters from the ground up, willfully ignoring the Japanese characters' cartoon portrayals/personalities and instead making up near-entirely new ones that went against how all those characters originally were. In other words, virtually every single one of the Sourcebook's profile entries on the Japanese BW characters was a lie.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Including all of its errors, lies, contradictions, and selective bad artwork?o.supreme wrote:as was The Beast Wars Sourcebook from IDW.
Like I said it was pretty good, not perfect. Besides, I've never read any 3P fiction, so I have no idea what's -what in BW anymore. I haven't read Gathering or Ascending since their original release. I tend to stick to what was in BW the animated series, BWII, and BW Neo -Botcon & club fiction I haven't really read, or even consider.
To an extent though that does make sense. Even if we ignore cultural differences in regards to plot and character and how character portrayals have historically varied wildly in different material in Transformers (Cartoon Blaster vs. Marvel Blaster; Headmasters Chromedome vs Rebirth Chromedome), you've got the fact IDW was coming out with their own new Beast Wars comics that followed their own continuity coming out as well as the fact that Japan's G1 continuity by then had grown to be veeery different to Hasbro's. If you're going to include the Japanese-original characters in this context, they're likely going to have to be rewritten to some extent. I think calling it a 'lie' is a bit dramatic when we have much greater examples of characters differing depending on the source material.
And that's even before we get to the fact there are no official dubs or subs for Takara's original BW series. The book's error-ridden and has choices that border on the bizarre, that much is true, but calling new characterisation for imported characters that have to be made to work in a new continuity especially when this franchise has practically made differing characterisation tradition is something I highly disagree with.
Posted by o.supreme on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:00pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:06pm CDT
Still, once I get past it, I can finally just look at it from a pure story and character perspective and not care.
Smokescreen should have been red and yellow with a spoiler and called Hot Rod. He is so clearly a Hot Rod how did they miss that
REGARDLESS, Combiner Wars thread! Not the let's-debate-about-Dreamwave-and-sourcebooks-and-characterisation thread! Let's get back on topic before Burn hires a hitman.
Posted by william-james88 on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:06pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:09pm CDT
Think of this way. Those books didn't just serve as a representation of the continuity that was created for The Gathering and The Ascending, but also served as a means to introduce all of the characters formally to the average layman who was unfamiliar with all of the characters, both American and Japanese, of the Beast Era. And instead of presenting each of the characters in a fashion that was true and respectful towards their original depictions that had been set in stone and in effect for nearly a decade at the time, they instead made several arbitrary changes to many of the Japanese characters for little good reason at all.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:BotCon and Club fiction is barely a blip on the radar of the Sourcebook's inaccuracies and failings. The Sourcebook deliberately set out to trample all over the source material of BWII and Neo by completely rewriting nearly all of those series' characters from the ground up, willfully ignoring the Japanese characters' cartoon portrayals/personalities and instead making up near-entirely new ones that went against how all those characters originally were. In other words, virtually every single one of the Sourcebook's profile entries on the Japanese BW characters was a lie.o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Including all of its errors, lies, contradictions, and selective bad artwork?o.supreme wrote:as was The Beast Wars Sourcebook from IDW.
Like I said it was pretty good, not perfect. Besides, I've never read any 3P fiction, so I have no idea what's -what in BW anymore. I haven't read Gathering or Ascending since their original release. I tend to stick to what was in BW the animated series, BWII, and BW Neo -Botcon & club fiction I haven't really read, or even consider.
To an extent though that does make sense. Even if we ignore cultural differences in regards to plot and character and how character portrayals have historically varied wildly in different material in Transformers (Cartoon Blaster vs. Marvel Blaster; Headmasters Chromedome vs Rebirth Chromedome), you've got the fact IDW was coming out with their own new Beast Wars comics that followed their own continuity coming out as well as the fact that Japan's G1 continuity by then had grown to be veeery different to Hasbro's. If you're going to include the Japanese-original characters in this context, they're likely going to have to be rewritten to some extent. I think calling it a 'lie' is a bit dramatic when we have much greater examples of characters differing depending on the source material.
And that's even before we get to the fact there are no official dubs or subs for Takara's original BW series. The book's error-ridden and has choices that border on the bizarre, that much is true, but calling new characterisation for imported characters that have to be made to work in a new continuity especially when this franchise has practically made differing characterisation tradition is something I highly disagree with.
I get that they wanted to tone down the inherent goofiness of the Japanese series to better fit the tone of the American BW cartoon, but there was literally no reason to invert several characters' personalities into being the opposite of who they were (i.e. - making the cowardly Diver brave and fearless, the fiercely loyal Guiledart distrustful and scheming, the dimwitted and humorously bad swordsman Hardhead into an intelligent leader-type and master swordsman, the grumpy psycho loner Mantis into a super happy "friend-to-all" type, or the lighthearted and fun Moon all grim and humorless).
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:15pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:I thoguht that G1 box art looked pretty good
I kinda like it too, but its charm does come from the very odd and off proportions and body movement. It's not quite right but in a way that's very appealing?
Anywho, toys! What's the best Legends class from this line in you guys' opinion? Excluding Shockwave, he wins by default.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:15pm CDT
Also, was this done way before TR? Cuz that Alpha Trion looks surprisingly accurate to the toy!
Also, Burn hires HITMEN?
Kurona wrote:
Anywho, toys! What's the best Legends class from this line in you guys' opinion? Excluding Shockwave, he wins by default.
I only have Warpath and Huffer because Minibots, and I like both of those. Not sure at this point which I like better though because both are fun for different reasons. They work well though even with some of their G1 cues missing.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:17pm CDT
Yeah, that Alpha Trion design was done ahead of TR. It was adapted into the toy design later.SillyMcGilly wrote:Also, was this done way before TR? Cuz that Alpha Trion looks surprisingly accurate to the toy!
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:18pm CDT
SillyMcGilly wrote:Personally, I think the combiners pictured there look better than the CW toys. Especially Menasor. This makes me so sad.
Also, was this done way before TR? Cuz that Alpha Trion looks surprisingly accurate to the toy!
Also, Burn hires HITMEN?
Well, aside from these toylines being planned way in advance; do recall that TR Alpha Trion and Galvatron were originally based on designs not intended for Titans Return. So if the use of the G1 bodies for the Combiners here is because the CW designs hadn't been made yet... that could very possibly indicate that the designs used for TR Alpha Trion and Galvatron predate not just TR, but Prime Wars entirely.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:20pm CDT
Kurona wrote:SillyMcGilly wrote:Personally, I think the combiners pictured there look better than the CW toys. Especially Menasor. This makes me so sad.
Also, was this done way before TR? Cuz that Alpha Trion looks surprisingly accurate to the toy!
Also, Burn hires HITMEN?
Well, aside from these toylines being planned way in advance; do recall that TR Alpha Trion and Galvatron were originally based on designs not intended for Titans Return. So if the use of the G1 bodies for the Combiners here is because the CW designs hadn't been made yet... that could very possibly indicate that the designs used for TR Alpha Trion and Galvatron predate not just TR, but Prime Wars entirely.
That is incredible, and now I am getting all tempted by that toy again even though the alt modes suck!
Oh yeah, Combiner Wars.
Posted by o.supreme on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:22pm CDT
Anyway...favorite Legends Class....Since I only have ones that interact with Combiners, its probably the Black-Jack/Rodimus design.
Posted by Cobotron on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:24pm CDT
Actually I'm just glad this thread still has some life left in it.
I don't envy you fiction bangers. It's a hard job trying to string together a continuity where one barely exists.
Yes, Silly. that art is conceptual art for Combiner Wars. Simply meant to be a color piece to inspire the designers. I find it interesting too that Trion is in that form. Goes to show how long that design has been on the table.
I'm sure the illustrator who did this work had to pull reference from where ever they could. Remember, not all artists hired to do TF work are TF super fans.
Posted by Cobotron on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:32pm CDT
Powerglide comes in a fast second. They nailed it with that design, and he's a fun figure.
Posted by o.supreme on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:38pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:Powerglide comes in a fast second. They nailed it with that design, and he's a fun figure.
I would have said Powerglide, but, maybe its just a flaw with mine, but the back part wont stay together in plane or gun mode. Viper doesn't have a problem, and I haven't taken my TT Dogfight out of its package yet, though I will eventually.
Posted by Cobotron on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:42pm CDT
Yeah, mine does too, but he's so cool I'm willing to look past it/live with it.o.supreme wrote:Cobotron wrote:Powerglide comes in a fast second. They nailed it with that design, and he's a fun figure.
I would have said Powerglide, but, maybe its just a flaw with mine, but the back part wont stay together in plane or gun mode. Viper doesn't have a problem, and I haven't taken my TT Dogfight out of its package yet, though I will eventually.
You know, Blackjack is pretty dang sweet too. It's hard to pick a best. The Legends class has been killing it pretty much since T30 up to now.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:44pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:Oh! And my favorite CW Legends is hands down Huffer. That mold makes a better/sexier Huffer than Prime.
Powerglide comes in a fast second. They nailed it with that design, and he's a fun figure.
Yay! Your fave is one of the ones I have!
And Powerglide is a definite want. Kinda hard to get sometimes when I go TF hunting though. I love collecting Legends scale Minibots.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:50pm CDT
Maybe it's SG Alpha Trion.o.supreme wrote:I know its also just concept art, but it seems odd to see A3 sitting like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat just watching an arena of chaos down below him, with a Quintesson on his right to boot!...Maybe this was a more ominous character, whos design was used as an upgrade to Alpha Trion...I don't know, just thinking....
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:51pm CDT
I think you said this before, but remind me: didn't the TR A3 design get used as SG Alpha Trion? I remember you saying that somewhereSabrblade wrote:Maybe it's SG Alpha Trion.o.supreme wrote:I know its also just concept art, but it seems odd to see A3 sitting like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat just watching an arena of chaos down below him, with a Quintesson on his right to boot!...Maybe this was a more ominous character, whos design was used as an upgrade to Alpha Trion...I don't know, just thinking....
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:53pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:54pm CDT
Yep. TR A3 did get repurposed as a new upgraded form of SG A3.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I think you said this before, but remind me: didn't the TR A3 design get used as SG Alpha Trion? I remember you saying that somewhereSabrblade wrote:Maybe it's SG Alpha Trion.o.supreme wrote:I know its also just concept art, but it seems odd to see A3 sitting like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat just watching an arena of chaos down below him, with a Quintesson on his right to boot!...Maybe this was a more ominous character, whos design was used as an upgrade to Alpha Trion...I don't know, just thinking....
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:55pm CDT
Same colors?Sabrblade wrote:Yep. TR A3 did get repurposed as a new upgraded form of SG A3.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I think you said this before, but remind me: didn't the TR A3 design get used as SG Alpha Trion? I remember you saying that somewhereSabrblade wrote:Maybe it's SG Alpha Trion.o.supreme wrote:I know its also just concept art, but it seems odd to see A3 sitting like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat just watching an arena of chaos down below him, with a Quintesson on his right to boot!...Maybe this was a more ominous character, whos design was used as an upgrade to Alpha Trion...I don't know, just thinking....
also, who was TR Overboard repurposed as in SG?
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:59pm CDT
Kurona wrote:...Beautiful figure with a lot of personality, and it manages to do the best job at reviving the Breastforce
I still can't get over how lesbian that sounds.
Um, yay! Rust Dust for the win! Man Vicky and G2 Superion are probably the two box sets I want most. Not sure which I'd get! Superion is nostalgic and has an amazing color scheme, and the other option is a bunch of girlfriends! Okay not really, but still...
Posted by Sabrblade on May 30th, 2017 @ 12:59pm CDT
That's what makes it a repurposing.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Same colors?Sabrblade wrote:Yep. TR A3 did get repurposed as a new upgraded form of SG A3.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I think you said this before, but remind me: didn't the TR A3 design get used as SG Alpha Trion? I remember you saying that somewhereSabrblade wrote:Maybe it's SG Alpha Trion.o.supreme wrote:I know its also just concept art, but it seems odd to see A3 sitting like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat just watching an arena of chaos down below him, with a Quintesson on his right to boot!...Maybe this was a more ominous character, whos design was used as an upgrade to Alpha Trion...I don't know, just thinking....
SG Squeezplay.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:also, who was TR Overboard repurposed as in SG?
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 1:02pm CDT
SillyMcGilly wrote:and the other option is a bunch of girlfriends! Okay not really, but still...
Actually...
Jumpstream and Dustup were confirmed as the first official WLW couple in Transformers in the recent IDW annual
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on May 30th, 2017 @ 2:55pm CDT
Kurona wrote:SillyMcGilly wrote:and the other option is a bunch of girlfriends! Okay not really, but still...
Actually...
Jumpstream and Dustup were confirmed as the first official WLW couple in Transformers in the recent IDW annual
I...need to pick up the comics, this is so weird and I need context,
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 3:19pm CDT
GalvatronG1 wrote:Kurona wrote:SillyMcGilly wrote:and the other option is a bunch of girlfriends! Okay not really, but still...
Actually...
Jumpstream and Dustup were confirmed as the first official WLW couple in Transformers in the recent IDW annual
I...need to pick up the comics, this is so weird and I need context,
Well, they're lovers, and that's it. We generally don't get much characterisation on the Torchbearers beyond Pyra Magna unfortunately - the one problem with this relationship - but they're still very cute together and I'm so glad IDW done this.
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on May 30th, 2017 @ 3:55pm CDT
Kurona wrote:GalvatronG1 wrote:Kurona wrote:SillyMcGilly wrote:and the other option is a bunch of girlfriends! Okay not really, but still...
Actually...
Jumpstream and Dustup were confirmed as the first official WLW couple in Transformers in the recent IDW annual
I...need to pick up the comics, this is so weird and I need context,
Well, they're lovers, and that's it. We generally don't get much characterisation on the Torchbearers beyond Pyra Magna unfortunately - the one problem with this relationship - but they're still very cute together and I'm so glad IDW done this.
same here, I just figured they were all friends,
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 30th, 2017 @ 4:01pm CDT
Autobots:
Decepticons:
Mixed Faction:
Maximal:
All together
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on May 30th, 2017 @ 4:06pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:So, because I was home and remembered, here are all of my combiners that I managed to get a hold of during Combiner Wars. I got Sky Lynx, but he is the one that stays by himself, choosing instead to be a mount for Arcee
Autobots:
Decepticons:
Mixed Faction:
Maximal:
All together
Nice
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 4:17pm CDT
Posted by Zeedust on May 30th, 2017 @ 8:38pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Anywho, toys! What's the best Legends class from this line in you guys' opinion? Excluding Shockwave, he wins by default.
I know I'm not gonna get much support on this, but I like Powerglide/Viper. Pretty nice triplechanger/targetmaster for ten bucks. Sure, the gun mode's not quite as good as Shockwave's, but that's because Shockwave doesn't have separate vehicle and weapon modes.
Posted by nycPrime on May 30th, 2017 @ 8:59pm CDT
Zeedust wrote:Kurona wrote:Anywho, toys! What's the best Legends class from this line in you guys' opinion? Excluding Shockwave, he wins by default.
I know I'm not gonna get much support on this, but I like Powerglide/Viper. Pretty nice triplechanger/targetmaster for ten bucks. Sure, the gun mode's not quite as good as Shockwave's, but that's because Shockwave doesn't have separate vehicle and weapon modes.
I'd probably 2nd that. I wasn't a huge fan of the CW Legends so to me, it's slim pickings. Powerglide is pretty cool, though I think the bot mode is better than the alt mode. I don't have a whole lot of other legends, but I also think Windcharger is ok. Far from the best bot mode, but the car looks good enough.
Posted by Kurona on May 30th, 2017 @ 9:10pm CDT
Posted by Zeedust on May 30th, 2017 @ 9:46pm CDT
Kurona wrote:I liked Viper. A little let down by his somewhat odd arm articulation - and his gun mode wasn't good, but I won't hold that against him - but all in all a pretty decent figure. Also you can mistransform him into having a very long neck. Useful for giving yourself nightmares for a month if you're into that sort of thing
I don't think the gun mode is as bad as people say it is, but that may just be me.
Also, the "long neck" think means if you have both of them, they can look like they're doing Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots.
...Well, okay, sorta...
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on May 30th, 2017 @ 10:07pm CDT
Zeedust wrote:Also, the "long neck" think means if you have both of them, they can look like they're doing Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots.
...Well, okay, sorta...
That
Is
AWESOME!!!!
(I am so going down to the basement and grabbing those 2 as soon as I hit submit)