Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today!

Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today!

Wednesday, January 5th, 2011 1:22pm CST

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Alright, hot on the heals of the five page preview, as is usual for the comic releases, is the early review of the issue that will be out at your local shop today (barring unforeseen delays), Wednesday, January 5th.

This series compared to any other IDW Transformers series is receiving a lot of heavy fan criticism for its pacing, and art, and when the five page preview was posted for this issue a lot of you could not help but to say that you really feel like you’re looking at and reading an inferior product.

I have to admit I have my doubts too. Lifetime comic book reader, I will also read anything you put in front of me Transformers related. I’ve been critical of Transformers comics in the past, and I still believe we the fans have yet to see what the majority would agree is a fantastic Transformers comic, both in its visual presentation and its written word. Mike Costa gained a lot of buzz from his early work with G.I. Joe: COBRA, but seems to have had a hard time bringing that magic to TRANSFORMERS. Don Figueroa, once considered THE BEST TRANSFORMERS artist perhaps we’ve ever seen pick up a pen for our robots, is struggling to hold many fans’ faith in his designs.

Both creators have taken a lot of flak over this series, but perhaps with this issue, we are starting to see an upswing in the story, and getting closer to what a lot of us complainers would enjoy ‘reading’ more of. I have to admit, I posted the five-page preview here, and I did not even read it. Why? Because it had about 3 pages of human dialogue, and a page and a half or so of bot action (recap, no less!), so much as it was.

But after reading the issue in its entirety and reflecting, we have had some interesting takes on TRANSFORMERS lately, dating back to the whole ‘International Incident’ and now this next part, which is turning into an ‘International, and Intergalactic Incident’.

I enjoyed issue #15. The dialogue at the beginning is actually very interesting debating the whole appropriateness of selling alien armaments, and legislation for the control of said weaponry. But I can picture that the whole argument could be covered in a one to two word balloon filled panels, and leave more room for something more exciting to be seen/represented/drawn rather than the camera angle flip between two talking humans’ faces of little interest to the overall story and characters we really want to see.

The Decepticon plot, seemingly Megatron initiated even though Soundwave, and Shockwave must do A LOT on their parts to see it through as well, is revealed and it is about nothing less than dominating the planet Earth (surprise), and creating chaos and mistrust amongst the humans of the world, playing heavily off the fact that the Autobots seem to be even less trustworthy than before. Oh those silly Decepticons, adding to the seeds of distrust through mind-manipulating weaponry. Poor Bumblebee, the victim of that violence.

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"Could even Dr. House save poor Bumblebee?"

I have to admit, as I type this the idea seems like your basic Transformers on Earth plot from a G1 cartoon--corny, and it seems like a plot point that Ongoing has been stuck on getting to for 15 issues and then some. To me, well, the plot is getting very worn out and old, and the payoff does not seem to be what it should be...yet. There is still a third part to this whole, ‘Revenge of the Decepticons’ arc, maybe more. Perhaps part of the reason that I liked this issue was because we might perhaps be seeing this whole Earth humans dominating Transformers scenario wrapping up (finally). There is indeed a light at the end of this seemingly endless tunnel.

In a nutshell...
So revealed today, is that when the cons brought Megs back up to space they could not repair his body, so a new one was created, and somehow moved his spark to it. Then they took his old body and fashioned it into a bunch of mini-Megatron guns with some of his conscious still in them (a very small part).

These evil guns were then space-bridged to Earth, and we get what happened last issue...


Like I said, a bit campy, in its retro-80's styling. Or is that nostalgia?

Anyway, we could use a little G1 nostalgia because DON's designs are still, well, yeah...

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"Sweet, right?"
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"Which Transformer am I again?"

The art ‘is what it is’ as they say- mixed bag. Don is back on and he is still using the same style as he used when he first started the Ongoing series, fifteen issues ago. Like it or lump it, it’s there, and it looks like it is staying, at least as long as Don is doing artist chores. But what he has also done, introduced the last two issues and featured in this issue, is a major Megatron re-design. I’m not sure if he took his inspiration from Transformers Animated’s Shadow Blades Megatron, but I think the similarities are obvious, minus the alt modes. I kind of like it in an ‘let’s do something different and create an upgrade for this hugely popular character’, even if the reasoning behind the new body is kind of well, contrived and nonsensical, but it is reasoning. Sort of like Galvatron-lite, this re-created Megatron really has yet to test his new body, which I think many of us are waiting for (and hoping will come soon!) before we fully give it thumbs up or thumbs down.
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Meanwhile, as the Decepticons plan to control the silly humans' minds adding to the paranoia already present with their 'guns', the Autobots that are left (the other went and blowed up last issue-supposedly), Ultra Magnus makes the decision to find Omega Supreme(duh!) and leave Earth (double duh!) due to the compromised and partially destroyed base, and the hopelessness of the now, very small group of Autobots left . At least something is happening, although the only bots that seem to be left to home anymore are Brawn, Bluestreak, and Magnus. Red Alert was around somewhere too...and of course, the practically gone Bumblebee.

But before they start the journey, Magnus pulls Brawn aside for a little solo act of yet unknown objectives.

It's a sad time for the Autobots, and this does generate some interest in reading the next issue.

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"Can you hear me now poor pathetic, weak-minded, squishy flesh creature? GOOD! Now I will destroy you and your entire planet!"

Megatron got WIFI and 4G in his upgraded body. Cool!

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"Look Brawn, you just can't have everything you want in a Transformers comic, because there is someone else out there who wants something else, and someone else who wants something else...."
"I'm glad we had this talk Ultra Magnus. Thanks."


Walter P-38’s are taking over the world, slowly, but surely, be afraid, be very afraid. They’re in your TV’s...

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...and in your radios.
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"Did you get everything you wanted for Christmas, Daniel?"
"Well, let's see I got a doggy, and... no way, a Megatron gun!"
"Now Daniel, don't go shooting your eye out..."


BE CAREFUL! It may be your radio and TV that are telling you to buy HASBRO Transformers and IDW Transformers comics. Be wary of strangers with raspy voices!

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"It's my turn to wear the matrix Starscream"
"No, it's my turn to wear it, you dolt. You wore it the whole first 6 months we were here from Earth. So get out of my face!"


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"Finders Keepers!"
*I laughed a little inside when I saw this movie reference*

Credit(s): tigertracks 24, IDW Comics


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Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165770)
Posted by It Is Him on January 5th, 2011 @ 1:45pm CST
You know, I'm probably in the quiet minority who are enjoying this series immensely. There's been a nice slow build since #7, and I'm excited to see where it's going.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165777)
Posted by Supreme Convoy on January 5th, 2011 @ 1:56pm CST
Can't wait to check it out after work today!
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165798)
Posted by dragons on January 5th, 2011 @ 2:49pm CST
which transformer am i agina is ultra magnus g1 face or not its hard to tell whos who sometimes with all these lose ups on faces
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165822)
Posted by IAmThePeej on January 5th, 2011 @ 3:53pm CST
Great review and all, can't wait to get this issue, I also like this comic a lot, despite almost every single Transformer having the exact. Same. Face. Also, Megatron's gun form is actually called a Walther P38. Slight typo, I know, but it was just bothering me to no end.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165824)
Posted by Chaoslock on January 5th, 2011 @ 4:02pm CST
I've yet to read an issue of Ongoing that is at least on the level of Spotlight:Ramjet before I even consider to re-new my order for the series. The dull art, and groundbound mind of Costa isn't helping the cause.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165826)
Posted by Smokescreen85 on January 5th, 2011 @ 4:09pm CST
For those who don't like Don's art, you'll be happy to know that he's leaving after this issue. Alex Milne will be picking up art duties from #16 onward. Apparently, Don has accepted a new job from what I read over on the IDW forums.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165830)
Posted by Tigertrack on January 5th, 2011 @ 4:19pm CST
IAmThePeej wrote:Great review and all, can't wait to get this issue, I also like this comic a lot, despite almost every single Transformer having the exact. Same. Face. Also, Megatron's gun form is actually called a Walther P38. Slight typo, I know, but it was just bothering me to no end.


Thanks for that. I think I had thought Walter was wrong, but I was running late with the review already.

It wasn't my best, but it works.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165846)
Posted by joeformer on January 5th, 2011 @ 5:45pm CST
People are being a little too harsh. The art is AMAZING. The story line is very good. They need to create an animated cartoon using this art. They also need to take these designs and make toys out of them. Including human figures. Great work.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165940)
Posted by fenrir72 on January 6th, 2011 @ 2:14am CST
Spreading hate and paranoia subliminally? hmmmmmmmm, G.I.Joe #2 or could that have been DW's War and Peace?
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165941)
Posted by Vicalliose on January 6th, 2011 @ 2:18am CST
joeformer wrote:People are being a little too harsh. The art is AMAZING.

I used to think Figueroa was a good artist, but after seeing those last few pages and this...
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I remembered that he's just a leftover from Dream Wave.

tigertracks 24 wrote:Like I said, a bit campy, in its retro-80's styling. Or is that nostalgia?

Bad plots should not hold any grounds due to "nostalgia". The original series was indeed campy but that was over twenty years ago. "The story should be dumb and contrived because the original series was like that." No! Because when your revamping a story your supposed to fix that, not make it worse!

tigertracks 24 wrote:"Look Brawn, you just can't have everything you want in a Transformers comic, because there is someone else out there who wants something else, and someone else who wants something else...."
"I'm glad we had this talk Ultra Magnus. Thanks."

First, Brawn would die before taking it in the ass. Or at least he should.

Second, has everyone forgotten that there are two running comic series right now? Why can't the movie comics please the those folks with bad taste?

Nope. More of the badly written stupidity and "realistic" styling must bleed into everything thing else. The comics were good, Animated was good but oh no there's no escaping now, they're going to slam it down our throats until there is not one redeeming factor left, just because the movie is all big and popular. I don't want to read this, but I especially don't want newer generations of Transformers fans to think that this is a quality story either.

tigertracks 24 wrote:Walther P-38’s are taking over the world, slowly, but surely, be afraid, be very afraid. They’re in your TV’s...

I'm surprised that anything more would need to be said.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1165976)
Posted by morphobots on January 6th, 2011 @ 5:49am CST
So Thundercracker (and presumably the other Seekers) is back to being a Raptor, from being an Eagle (AHM), from being a Raptor (wayyyyy back in Infiltration)?

I give up. I'm already sorry I ordered this on the hope things were improving.

And, for the record, the greatest, most feared political revolutionaries in history have never existed solely on the desire to spread death and chaos. They wanted control, spread through fear, which was enforced by selective purges and terror tactics, not wholesale slaughter. Even the Holocaust was a sidetrack means to an end for Hitler, which somebody else thought up for him. An egomaniac can't rule a nation of corpses. IDW wants this series to be more "realistic?" Take a tip from history. Even Marvel did this when they based Optimus on Abraham Lincoln.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166027)
Posted by Matrix. on January 6th, 2011 @ 9:26am CST
morphobots wrote:So Thundercracker (and presumably the other Seekers) is back to being a Raptor, from being an Eagle (AHM), from being a Raptor (wayyyyy back in Infiltration)?


What are you, blind? He's been a Raptor for over a year, when he was rebuilt back into one in issue four.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166038)
Posted by partholon on January 6th, 2011 @ 9:58am CST
well look on the brightside.

there cant be much time left for costa on this book. were already damn close to the total number of issues furman got before being chucked off the book for AHM and his stuff was actually liked.

sad to hear alex is doing his arc in dons style. i can understand the desire for the trade to look consistant but i VASTLY prefer milnes style over dons reinvented on.

hopefully he'll still be knocking about when costas removed and i can actually contemplate taking up the book again.

i mean 15 issues to get to this?

sorry. no buy from me.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166081)
Posted by morphobots on January 6th, 2011 @ 12:35pm CST
Matrix. wrote:
morphobots wrote:So Thundercracker (and presumably the other Seekers) is back to being a Raptor, from being an Eagle (AHM), from being a Raptor (wayyyyy back in Infiltration)?


What are you, blind? He's been a Raptor for over a year, when he was rebuilt back into one in issue four.


Issue 4, page 1 (splash panel): Raptor. Artist: Don.

Issue 11 (next appearance in title), page 19, panel 3: Eagle. Note: swept-back ailerons on wingtips, apparently triangular design to wings. Artist: Guido.

Issue 11, page 21, panel 2: Eagle. Silhouette of alt mode clearly shows swept-back triangular wings instead of Raptor's half-trapezoid design. Same for tailwings.

Issue 12, page 16, panel 3: ?? Some sort of Eagle/Raptor kitbash. Wings a mix of triangular and trapezoidal design with swept-back ailerons on tips. Artist: Guido.

Issue 15, page unknown, panel unknown: Raptor. Artist: Don.

Forgive my confusion and perceived "blindness," but it seems apparent that Thundercracker's alt mode design depends on the artist working. That is my problem with this series; it is consistently inconsistent.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166216)
Posted by trence5 on January 6th, 2011 @ 7:46pm CST
True; he definitely does bare a resemblence to a black version of the Megatron from the previous cartoon before "Prime" but it also bares some resemblence to this as well:
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Super Megatron from "Battlestars: Return of Convoy" from Japanese manga
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166303)
Posted by Burn on January 7th, 2011 @ 3:46am CST
I look at the "new" Megatron and I can't think anything but "Gundam".

And that ruined the issue for me. The Transformers we've known for so many years, are starting to look like something from another line of robots.

Yay.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166311)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 7th, 2011 @ 4:37am CST
partholon wrote:well look on the brightside.

there cant be much time left for costa on this book. were already damn close to the total number of issues furman got before being chucked off the book for AHM and his stuff was actually liked.

sad to hear alex is doing his arc in dons style. i can understand the desire for the trade to look consistant but i VASTLY prefer milnes style over dons reinvented on.

hopefully he'll still be knocking about when costas removed and i can actually contemplate taking up the book again.

i mean 15 issues to get to this?

sorry. no buy from me.

Fun fact, Don's new design looks better when done by Alex.
http://markerguru.deviantart.com/galler ... 0#/d31njd4
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Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166312)
Posted by MYoung23 on January 7th, 2011 @ 4:55am CST
Ongoing painted itself into a corner by going back to the "All of humanity hates Transformers and can't tell the difference between the Autobots and Decepticons" trope. Then it compounded things by copying the NEST team up dynamic from the live-action movies.

I don't need humans in my Transformers in order to relate to the stories.
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166320)
Posted by fenrir72 on January 7th, 2011 @ 5:36am CST
Remember back in the John Byrne Years of the Fantastic Four? Each different intergalactic species saw Galactus in a different light. For us, he look like a giant human while to the others.....you get my drift? Heck I'm clutching at straws to explain why the transformers look differently every time a different artist does the pencils. And no, I am not defending IDW.........it all went down the drain ever since IDW did the reboot. (Only saving grace IMHO was Storm bringer (and the Beastwars story arc) and the Last Stand of the Wreckers........
Re: Debriefing Transformers Ongoing #15- In stores today! (1166330)
Posted by Cliffjumper Prime on January 7th, 2011 @ 6:35am CST
I've actually been a supporter of ongoing and have been enjoying the series so far. I was looking forward to this issue and the return of Megatron, and I gotta say... this issue sucked. You're never sure who's narrating the story (my guess was Shockwave but it could easily be NOBODY). The whole plan Megatron has to get his revenge is garbage. Hypnotizing guns made from his carcass? Definitely sounds like a thrown-out plot from the 80's. What next? a giant purple griffin? He was rebuilt to be bigger and stronger and more menacing, only to stay in the shadows and whisper to humans through radios? They better be going somewhere with this!

Also, am I the only one who's reminded by ROTF Mindwipe when I look at the new Megatron design?

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