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This of course makes sense since Hasbro's colours and designs as of late have been more inspired by the US cartoon rather than the toys.
You can see the original image from NYCC below (as well as our entire gallery here), followed by the digital coloured version and comparisons to the two cartoons.
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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 12th, 2019 @ 9:39am CST
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Posted by william-james88 on November 12th, 2019 @ 9:54am CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.
Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.
I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.
I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, I am seeing "if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go fuck off" type comments by saying they wont support it. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 12th, 2019 @ 10:11am CST
william-james88 wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.
Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.
I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.
I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.
Personally, I've never really cared for the idea of Quintessons creating the Transformers. And while they were cool in the movie, they didn't really stick out to me as "needs a toy". I guess part of what it boils down to for me is that I just don't really care for the Quintessons beyond temporary bad guys with awesome minions. But, if seeing them means new versions of the Sharkticons and Allicons, I am all for it
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on November 12th, 2019 @ 10:17am CST
william-james88 wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.
Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.
I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.
I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.
I think we are looking at 2 different things though. For the movies, the Fallen and Shockwave were transformers which means they had some type of transformation to an alt mode, it just wasn't shown on screen. So it existed, but we just didn't know anything about it. By that measure, forcing some type of alt mode would be necessary to fit in with the toy line. A crappy alt mode can be forgiven there because the movie didn't bother including one.
With the quintessons, they are not transformers, so not having an alt mode makes sense, and would be cartoon accurate, which is what the WFC trilogy is going for. Again, I have no problem with this, is just isn't for me. So if they do include some non-transforming characters in the line, I'll be skipping them, and my wallet says thanks for the little break.
Now, if it does come out that they do have some type of transformation and look like fun toys, then maybe I get interested enough to make a decision once I see them in hand.
Posted by william-james88 on November 12th, 2019 @ 10:33am CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:I think we are looking at 2 different things though. For the movies, the Fallen and Shockwave were transformers which means they had some type of transformation to an alt mode, it just wasn't shown on screen. So it existed, but we just didn't know anything about it. By that measure, forcing some type of alt mode would be necessary to fit in with the toy line. A crappy alt mode can be forgiven there because the movie didn't bother including one.
With the quintessons, they are not transformers, so not having an alt mode makes sense, and would be cartoon accurate, which is what the WFC trilogy is going for. Again, I have no problem with this, is just isn't for me. So if they do include some non-transforming characters in the line, I'll be skipping them, and my wallet says thanks for the little break.
Now, if it does come out that they do have some type of transformation and look like fun toys, then maybe I get interested enough to make a decision once I see them in hand.
Kevin, I agree with absolutely everything you said. And I am in the same boat in terms of purchasing (my wallet needs a break too and I think I will finally do the whole "only 1 of each character rule"). I am myself not a huge fan of the quints, nor the idea that they created the Transformers.
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 12th, 2019 @ 10:36am CST
william-james88 wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.
Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.
I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.
I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, I am seeing "if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off" type comments by saying they wont support it. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.
Baynus Shockwave did transform in his first appearance tho -in the video game so it's not quite the same as the bionicle reject of the Fallen with his alt mode coughed up.
Posted by gothsaurus on November 12th, 2019 @ 10:37am CST
For the Quints, I think ensuring there is some fun play gimmick (which could even be in accessories or ability to deconstruct or swap parts) is fine. I really don't WANT transforming Quints. They could be solid plastic for all I care — as build a figure or bonus figures with smaller minibot characters. A clicking, spinning option does appeal to me, though. Hope that's true.
Heck, they could be bonus figure in conjunction with a transforming playset like Ironworks. I'm sure Hasbro has a good plan.
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 12th, 2019 @ 10:56am CST
But I wonder if they would do the Japanese style
Later in a stand a lone figure for selects
That way you can just swap heads if you so choose
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 12th, 2019 @ 11:01am CST
I do seriously want an Allicon though. There are so many beast-formers, so it would be unusual to introduce those guys in a line that, to date, has been all about human vehicles.
Posted by gothsaurus on November 12th, 2019 @ 11:07am CST
Utilizing unique features like faceplates, beard, visors would go a long way to differentiate new characters (and none of those have been used on Titans).
Could also use smaller factions like Constructions, Junkions, Insecticons, Dinobots as a theme — for a "take-over" of the city. Imagine a Marvel-comic style Grimlock (or like the Sunbow meteor episode) that revolted against the leadership and took over Fort Max. (Heck, that sounds like a great season of shows to me. Various factions are trying to take over the cities, and turmoil ensues when any of them succeed and walk off with the city to do their own bidding.)
But I digress. I also kept waiting for store exclusive titan master head sets with nicely themed color sets — could be icy white and blue, all black (with charcoal gray detail) nemesis/stealth set, power-up magma red sets, junkion color sets...
So many missed opportunities.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 12th, 2019 @ 11:10am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:I do seriously want an Allicon though. There are so many beast-formers, so it would be unusual to introduce those guys in a line that, to date, has been all about human vehicles.
This 100%!
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 12th, 2019 @ 11:12am CST
Ultra Markus wrote:I liked that head design better anyway
But I wonder if they would do the Japanese style
Later in a stand a lone figure for selects
That way you can just swap heads if you so choose
That's actually a really good idea. It'd be the perfect way to get a bit more money out of a mold that otherwise might not get used, plus it'd be giving collectors more options. How much would it cost though? If it's the same size figure as Cerebros, I think it'd be closer to voyager price, and if they include electronics they might price it at $40
Posted by william-james88 on November 12th, 2019 @ 11:40am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.
I see it as the inverse of that. People cannot say anything about what they have seen but now that hasbro themselves have leaked it by mistake, they can share what they know. What I find interesting is the various interpretations.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 12th, 2019 @ 12:40pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on November 12th, 2019 @ 12:51pm CST
Bingo.william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.
I see it as the inverse of that. People cannot say anything about what they have seen but now that hasbro themselves have leaked it by mistake, they can share what they know. What I find interesting is the various interpretations.
Anyway it's a bold move to do these guys but I welcome it if it's getting done correctly. This means not just one stand-alone figure, folks around for Energon can tell you how this guy warmed shelves:
Transformers Energon Alpha Quintesson (Alpha Q) Gallery
Gotta have not just the Imperial Magistrix (or magistrate, whichever was intended) but the judge, bailiffs, executioner, guards, Alicons, Sharkticons and heck, throw in some variant paint jobs and call em Kledji, Sevax or Jolup (or Ryknia for James Roberts/Eugenesis fanboys like me) while they're at it. Do the scientists or Mara-Al-Utha. Basically, go for broke!
Posted by Microbot on November 12th, 2019 @ 1:23pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 12th, 2019 @ 1:23pm CST
Regardless I'd say that we'd get repaints from Selects or maybe Amazon exclusives.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 12th, 2019 @ 1:34pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I'd rather they didn't to be fair, I'll be steering clear of the quints themselves as they hold no interest to me whatsoever, and I'd say are taking a place that could be used for something better.
I don't know if that argument makes as much sense anymore. Generations Selects is really a game changer. So is the rise of online exclusives from Amazon over the past few years. Even Hasbro Pulse is getting into that by directly selling Takara's exclusive retools and repaints to North America. We've got a LOT of outlets as collectors for desired Transformers figures that don't make it to brick and mortar store shelves. We can't really say that whatever figure or character gets picked for the mass retail branch of a line forces out some other desired character altogether. They could just be moved to online distribution. Adult collectors should have no issue getting what they want, whether it be in store or online, and Hasbro has been great about giving us MORE of what we want than ever before the past few years.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 12th, 2019 @ 2:18pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I'd rather they didn't to be fair, I'll be steering clear of the quints themselves as they hold no interest to me whatsoever, and I'd say are taking a place that could be used for something better.
I don't know if that argument makes as much sense anymore. Generations Selects is really a game changer. So is the rise of online exclusives from Amazon over the past few years. Even Hasbro Pulse is getting into that by directly selling Takara's exclusive retools and repaints to North America. We've got a LOT of outlets as collectors for desired Transformers figures that don't make it to brick and mortar store shelves. We can't really say that whatever figure or character gets picked for the mass retail branch of a line forces out some other desired character altogether. They could just be moved to online distribution. Adult collectors should have no issue getting what they want, whether it be in store or online, and Hasbro has been great about giving us MORE of what we want than ever before the past few years.
I can see what you're saying, though I'd much prefer the quints to be the exclusives as kids aren't going to care about them (unless timed with an appearance in the Cyberverse cartoon). They do seem more of a collector focused item.
On saying that I am prepared to eat my words when and if pictures surface. As always, that will be the ultimate decider. Things that I've been lukewarm on have become must buys for me when I see what they actually look like. If something looks fun to play with, it'll be fun to own.
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on November 12th, 2019 @ 5:24pm CST
I already have a 3P Quintesson, but I'd definitely welcome an official one. Or three.
I can't imagine what Quintessa would be. A playset with Sharkticons and Alicons or something?
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 12th, 2019 @ 5:47pm CST
ScottyP wrote:Bingo.william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.
I see it as the inverse of that. People cannot say anything about what they have seen but now that hasbro themselves have leaked it by mistake, they can share what they know. What I find interesting is the various interpretations.
Anyway it's a bold move to do these guys but I welcome it if it's getting done correctly. This means not just one stand-alone figure, folks around for Energon can tell you how this guy warmed shelves
Yup, shelf warmed real bad when it wasn't released in the UK, was hard to get and still kind of pricey on the after market today.
*One mans trash is another mans treasure will be glad to get quints in the new line or cyberverse, the third party ones were a bit fragile and went up in price quite steeply for something that seemed cheap to produce more of.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 12th, 2019 @ 5:50pm CST
In my neck of the woods, I never saw Alpha Quintesson at any normal retail stores, only ever seeing it one time at Once Upon A Toy in Downtown Disney (now known as Disney Springs).blackeyedprime wrote:ScottyP wrote:Bingo.william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.
I see it as the inverse of that. People cannot say anything about what they have seen but now that hasbro themselves have leaked it by mistake, they can share what they know. What I find interesting is the various interpretations.
Anyway it's a bold move to do these guys but I welcome it if it's getting done correctly. This means not just one stand-alone figure, folks around for Energon can tell you how this guy warmed shelves
Yup, shelf warmed real bad when it wasn't released in the UK, was hard to get and still kind of pricey on the after market today.
Posted by Whifflefire on November 12th, 2019 @ 6:08pm CST
I wonder if a 'deluxe' Quintesson is a mini-figure with a transforming vehicle they ride, that would be something I could get into.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 12th, 2019 @ 6:34pm CST
Whifflefire wrote:I wonder if a 'deluxe' Quintesson is a mini-figure with a transforming vehicle they ride, that would be something I could get into.
I would not mind this. I am OK with a Quintesson as long as something transforming comes with it, like Action Masters.
Posted by Mindmaster on November 12th, 2019 @ 9:56pm CST
........oddly worded
I got a “coming in the warehouse this week” notification from BBTS about my preorder for Rung and Singe, looking forward to these guys and the new tapes!
Posted by william-james88 on November 13th, 2019 @ 11:34am CST
Mindmaster wrote: “coming in the warehouse this week”
That's oddly worded too.
Posted by william-james88 on November 13th, 2019 @ 11:43am CST
Fellow Seibertronian Jelzerabbit sent us word of these pics and gave their analysis of the molds (re)used too:
In Demand Toys has the same images, plus Soundbarrier, the Hot Rod Patrol Trip-Up and Daddy-O aka Big Daddy, and finally shots of the Military Patrol Bombshock and Growl. The latter Patrol is quite interesting as they show how far the part sharing has come, as they use Topshot and Flak parts:
- Growl uses Flak's chest and 5mm peg, and Topshot's upper legs
- Bombshock uses Flak's legs, and Topshot's cannon
In other words, most of their grey parts are recycled. The magic of gang-molding
Let us know what you think and if you preordered them yet, they are available for ordering at practically every collectible online store right now.
Posted by no-one on November 13th, 2019 @ 11:43am CST
Guess it depends on the warehouse.william-james88 wrote:That's oddly worded too.Mindmaster wrote: “coming in the warehouse this week”
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 13th, 2019 @ 12:28pm CST
Posted by PushYouDown on November 13th, 2019 @ 12:42pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Primal on November 13th, 2019 @ 12:57pm CST
Posted by Keelan on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:00pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:03pm CST
- Growl uses Flak's chest and 5mm peg, and Topshot's upper legs
- Bombshock uses Flak's legs, and Topshot's cannon
In other words, most of their grey parts are recycled. The magic of gang-molding
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:30pm CST
We should be able to figure out now exactly how tall the Cliffjumper figure is! With this in-box picture, we just need to figure out the ratio using the known size of a Deluxe Class Earthrise box, which should be the same as a Siege Deluxe Class box. I'll be happy if he's no more than 2 or 3 mm taller than Titans Return Bumblebee.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:32pm CST
Mindmaster wrote:Can’t wait to see the entirety of Scorponok. He’s gunna be one of those holes in the collection that once it’s filled it’ll be one of the most satisfying feelings in the world to me.
........oddly worded
Giggity!
william-james88 wrote:Mindmaster wrote: “coming in the warehouse this week”
That's oddly worded too.
That one is also sexual.
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:54pm CST
Iron works left hand looks pretty bad in the images but he's a buy any way,
Wheeljacks detailing looks messed up and the windscreen being so bitty rather than a full single piece ruins the look so will be hopefully picking up a cheap classics version even if he is a bit of a block in robot mode.
Cliffjumper will all be about the size, if it is big enough to stand next to MP Bee then maybe but any smaller whilst still towering over the previous legends class figures then nope.
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:55pm CST
Iron works left hand looks pretty bad in the images but he's a buy any way,
Wheeljacks detailing looks messed up and the windscreen being so bitty rather than a full single piece ruins the look so will be hopefully picking up a cheap classics version even if he is a bit of a block in robot mode.
Cliffjumper will all be about the size, if it is big enough to stand next to MP Bee then maybe but any smaller whilst still towering over the previous legends class figures then nope.
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 13th, 2019 @ 3:59pm CST
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on November 13th, 2019 @ 4:04pm CST
blackeyedprime wrote:was kind of hoping for Hoist to have a hand flip like impactor to replicate the old toy but it looks like his arms are just hollow for the sake of being cheap as the hands do not fold inside them from the looks of his untidy under carriage.
Probably less laziness and more to get a larger size with a similar amount of plastic, similar to Ironhide and Impactor.
Posted by Skritz on November 13th, 2019 @ 4:06pm CST
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on November 13th, 2019 @ 4:15pm CST
Skritz wrote:Am I the only one who find these figures either too stumpy/fat in some areas and too spindly in others? Seems like they went too far trying to replicate the ugly animation models on a non-MP budget/scale.
Eh, the only one that really seems that way to me is Hoist, who actually pulls it off interestingly imo. Cliffjumper, Wheeljack, and Ironworks all look pretty typical proportionally.
Posted by Brass Drag0n on November 13th, 2019 @ 4:22pm CST
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 13th, 2019 @ 5:26pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:
We should be able to figure out now exactly how tall the Cliffjumper figure is! With this in-box picture, we just need to figure out the ratio using the known size of a Deluxe Class Earthrise box, which should be the same as a Siege Deluxe Class box. I'll be happy if he's no more than 2 or 3 mm taller than Titans Return Bumblebee.
This looks like a job for Twitter!
(Via https://twitter.com/QueenStodge/status/ ... 96610?s=19)
Posted by Skritz on November 13th, 2019 @ 5:34pm CST
Posted by Seibertron on November 13th, 2019 @ 5:34pm CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Cliffjumper still looks weird without a bot-mode Autobot logo. I don't know why they didn't just make the trade-off of an upside-down logo in his alt-mode.
Or better yet, just modified the toy so that the windshield/car roof/chest could rotate so that it wasn't upside down on Cliffjumper's robot mode in the first place. I really like Cliffjumper but have been irked by the chest being upside down with the windshield on top ever since I first saw him at NYCC.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 13th, 2019 @ 6:05pm CST
What is with Hoist and the off-colors for his body panels? That's a weird development. I still plan to get him, but that's weird.
Wheeljack, what has happened? He doesn't look very good there, despite the bad mistransformation. It also annoys me that the bottom of the windshield is square on the chest.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 13th, 2019 @ 6:25pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 13th, 2019 @ 7:44pm CST
Now before we get to the list, we remind you that these are merely RUMORS and we have no hard confirmation for any of these figures yet, though a few were on this list from a few days ago. But it is exciting to speculate, and many of these figures do make sense given molds and clues we have been given up to this point. It is also interesting to note that some of these figures finish off the original Siege fanvote options, giving all 6 characters from that vote a toy.
Without further ado, the rumored figures include:
Deluxe Class:
- Shrapnel
- Bumblebee
- Runamuck
- Trailbreaker
- Sunstreaker
- Tracks
- Needlenose
Voyager Class
- Blaster
- Quintesson
- Skywarp
Others:
- Commander Class Sky Lynx
- Unknown Class Megatron
- Unknown Class Quintessa
- Titan Class Scorponok
- Exclusive Conehead 3-Pack
- Exclusive Deluxe Class Runabout
So what do you make of this list? Anything on here you really want to see, or anything you really didn't want to? Let us know what you think in the comments section below! and feel free to speculate away and tell us what you want and hope to see!