Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Saturday, June 10th, 2017 4:19am CDT

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The second of three expected previews for Transformers comics from IDW Publishing for next week sees the third instalment of the Dinobots' stories told by John Barber and Livio Ramondelli: Salvation. Featuring new Dinobot Strafe, the regular team, Trypticon, and a Bludgeon cover tease... check it out below, courtesy of Newsarama!

Transformers: Salvation
John Barber (w) • Livio Ramondelli (a & c)
Exiled from civilization, the Dinobots are the last line of defense against the ultimate Cybertronian dinosaur—Trypticon! But how much are the Dinobots willing to sacrifice for a world that hates them?
FC • 48 pages • $7.99
Bullet points:
- Dinobots versus the biggest dino of them all—Trypticon!


Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

Transformers News: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation

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Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888462)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on June 10th, 2017 @ 4:50am CDT
There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888464)
Posted by Va'al on June 10th, 2017 @ 5:03am CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?


It all happened in Redemption! Strafe starts out as a Camien with jet mode, then... things happen. Now she's a two-headed dragonsaur creature.

Technobot Strafe is somewhere in Lost Light background character Limbo right now.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888465)
Posted by Bounti76 on June 10th, 2017 @ 5:05am CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?


Yep. Dinobot Strafe is from Caminus. She was in the previous book in this "series" and joined the Dinobots when Bludgeon mutated her into her beast form.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Strafe_(IDW)
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888466)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on June 10th, 2017 @ 5:07am CDT
Va'al wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?


It all happened in Redemption! Strafe starts out as a Camien with jet mode, then... things happen. Now she's a two-headed dragonsaur creature.

Technobot Strafe is somewhere in Lost Light background character Limbo right now.


Bounti76 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?


Yep. Dinobot Strafe is from Caminus. She was in the previous book in this "series" and joined the Dinobots when Bludgeon mutated her into her beast form.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Strafe_(IDW)



Dino-Strafe's a she? Ok. You can tell I really don't follow IDW. Tried many times (last attempt was probably Sins of the Wreckers which I felt was kinda lousy and I only jumped on that cos it had Carnivac but turned out I didn't really care for his depiction in that at all anyways)

So what happens if Dino-Strafe and Techno-Strafe meet? Can you have TF's with same name? I remember that classic battle of Swoop (who used to be called Divebomb) Vs Predacon Divebomb in the Marvel UK comics. Good times.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888480)
Posted by Randomhero on June 10th, 2017 @ 6:55am CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Va'al wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?


It all happened in Redemption! Strafe starts out as a Camien with jet mode, then... things happen. Now she's a two-headed dragonsaur creature.

Technobot Strafe is somewhere in Lost Light background character Limbo right now.


Bounti76 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's Dinobot Strafe and Swoop in IDW now? Is that Strafe different from Technobot Strafe I thought was already in IDW?


Yep. Dinobot Strafe is from Caminus. She was in the previous book in this "series" and joined the Dinobots when Bludgeon mutated her into her beast form.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Strafe_(IDW)



Dino-Strafe's a she? Ok. You can tell I really don't follow IDW. Tried many times (last attempt was probably Sins of the Wreckers which I felt was kinda lousy and I only jumped on that cos it had Carnivac but turned out I didn't really care for his depiction in that at all anyways)

So what happens if Dino-Strafe and Techno-Strafe meet? Can you have TF's with same name? I remember that classic battle of Swoop (who used to be called Divebomb) Vs Predacon Divebomb in the Marvel UK comics. Good times.



Probably the same thing as if you met someone who shared your name.

"Hey"

"Sup"

Honestly it's not that big of a thing like how simon firman depicted it over 25 years ago.

There's 2 prowls (G1 prowl and a Prowl that turned into a lion), 2 Rollers Optimus's drone and his friend Roller but one may have been named after the other. 2 strafes, 2 tankors(beast machines and G1 octane). 2 knockouts(Prime and the G2 micromaster). It's just one of those things. People share a name. MTMTE played it as a joke saying all the good names are taken.

Both tankors are actually best friends because they share the same name. Even got tattoos for it.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888482)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on June 10th, 2017 @ 7:06am CDT
Randomhero wrote:There's 2 prowls (G1 prowl and a Prowl that turned into a lion), 2 Rollers Optimus's drone and his friend Roller but one may have been named after the other. 2 strafes, 2 tankors(beast machines and G1 octane). 2 knockouts(Prime and the G2 micromaster). It's just one of those things. People share a name. MTMTE played it as a joke saying all the good names are taken.

Both tankors are actually best friends because they share the same name. Even got tattoos for it.


But do they exist in the same continuity and even same time as the other character with their name? Usually things like that are avoided in storytelling just because it leads to confusion. Even soap operas usually only have one character with a particular first name at any on time (the rare cases of having more usually comes down to a returning character). If the comic actually said 'all the good names are taken' as a reason for reusing a name of a still current character then that does seem kinda like laziness trying to pass itself off as clever or witty.

Sorry I didn't mean to start any argument or debate about it. I just often click news items even of TF stuff I know I'm not into cos I'm killing time and I saw 'Dinobot Strafe' mentioned and was curious as obviously that was a movieverse thing and I wondered what it was doing in IDW and wondered who it was. It turns out my first thoughts of it being a new bot identical to movieverse Strafe or the Technobot Strafe ditching the Technobots in favour of Dinobots with a new alt mode were both wrong. :P I'll leave now the topic now. Sorry. :)
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888487)
Posted by Randomhero on June 10th, 2017 @ 7:33am CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Randomhero wrote:There's 2 prowls (G1 prowl and a Prowl that turned into a lion), 2 Rollers Optimus's drone and his friend Roller but one may have been named after the other. 2 strafes, 2 tankors(beast machines and G1 octane). 2 knockouts(Prime and the G2 micromaster). It's just one of those things. People share a name. MTMTE played it as a joke saying all the good names are taken.

Both tankors are actually best friends because they share the same name. Even got tattoos for it.


But do they exist in the same continuity and even same time as the other character with their name? Usually things like that are avoided in storytelling just because it leads to confusion. Even soap operas usually only have one character with a particular first name at any on time (the rare cases of having more usually comes down to a returning character). If the comic actually said 'all the good names are taken' as a reason for reusing a name of a still current character then that does seem kinda like laziness trying to pass itself off as clever or witty.

Sorry I didn't mean to start any argument or debate about it. I just often click news items even of TF stuff I know I'm not into cos I'm killing time and I saw 'Dinobot Strafe' mentioned and was curious as obviously that was a movieverse thing and I wondered what it was doing in IDW and wondered who it was. It turns out my first thoughts of it being a new bot identical to movieverse Strafe or the Technobot Strafe ditching the Technobots in favour of Dinobots with a new alt mode were both wrong. :P I'll leave now the topic now. Sorry. :)



They all exist in the G1 continuity. Prime Knockout is from a colony while the micromastet Knockout was part of a decepticons unit. They've never met. The prowls are both autobot but the lion prowl changed his name because of G1 Prick Prowl plus it doesn't matter, lion Prowl died. . As for tankors, Octane goes by tall Tankor and MN Tankor goes by fat tankor. But not to his face. He heard them say it once but thought they said FAST tankor and took it as a compliment for his speed. I'm not making this shit up.

It's really not confusing. None of them except the Tankors interact with eachother.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1888494)
Posted by Kurona on June 10th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
I just find it kinda funny. I want the RiD 2001 Grimlock to turn up from a colony; being all friendly and happy but no-one wants to go near him because they think he's the big badass Dinobot :lol:


Also, the 'all the good names are taken' thing was played up for jokes. They ran into a minor character named Dent early in the story, Ratchet said he knew the guy when he was called Prowl; turns out Dent changed it to avoid confusion and he changed it to Dent because... well, all the good names are taken. It's just a very minor thing and scene and all in good humour.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1889281)
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2017 @ 2:06am CDT
Cue the Cranberries
(Spoiler free-ish)



Synopsis
Exiled from civilization, the Dinobots are the last line of defense against the ultimate Cybertronian dinosaur—Trypticon! But how much are the Dinobots willing to sacrifice for a world that hates them?

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Primus hates you too, yes


Story

We now return to your yearly schedule update on the Dinobots, minus Grimlock, because we wouldn't want you to forget that the Dinobots are very much still a thing, except when they're not (most of the time), but here - the third part of the Barber/Ramondelli 'we need more Maximum Dinobots' story: after Punishment and Redemption, comes Salvation.

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The bots are back in town


Despite my initial tone there, John Barber is actually able to bring together a lot of previous material into the book, and clear out some air that needed airing, from Trypticon (and even Chaos and Monstrosity) fulfilling the toy quota without a special event, to Bludgeon, Strafe, Swift and the general characterisation of the Dinobots (plus other characters, which I won't go too into here) - and carrying over some Redemption material, at risk of otherwise being ignored.

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And some Starscream, of course!


All the character work, of course, is to be nicely found in Bludgeon too. He follows quite steamrollingly in the footsteps of Jhiaxus and Thunderwing - his predecessors in more ways than one - of being a complete cosmic rustheap. However, the Dinobots are most definitely the stars of the book: character, dialogue, interactions, snide comments and shade are all perfectly in line with their personalities as developed in IDW, but also with callbacks to other TF tropes.

Art

I am aware of the fandom's divided opinion on Livio Ramondelli, but the book - in my opinion - shows an artist working on full throttle, with some very well laid out passages and compositions, some clearly defined sequences, and designs that are both recognisable and well-utilised for the individual characters involved in the book. And splash pages and spreads have always been his forte anyway.

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Just gonna leave this here


Not to forget, Ramondelli provides his own colours too - which sometimes still leaves me wondering what a different colour artist might do with that lineart - and he captures the various moods of this dark but still somehow hopeful story well, bringing different lights and hues to the scenes that take place. Even on the vaster scale of Cybertron's plains.

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also, nightmares!


Tom B. Long's lettering work - with all the above said, perhaps works best with Ramondelli too, giving a chance to the particular style with words that pair and weave with the fiery scenes, or moody scapes. And the caption positioning, of course, eases the reading beautifully. There are two covers alone for the issue, one by Ramondelli, one by Jeffrey Veregge (thumbnailed), but both spotlight the giant space dinosaur in the room in their own way, and are both really great.

Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

This review was a piece of cooperative work, between staff members with diverging opinions, but one point that we agreed on was this: Salvation does not work with new readers. It relies a real lot on previous stories, previous plot, pre-existing characterisation, and general TF lore that may not be enjoyed fully by newer fans of the comics.

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no wai


But! But for long-term, heavily invested readers - on the other hand - that same reliance of all of that material (Chaos, Syndromica, Monstrosity, Redemption, even TAAO and RID) means that the one-shot does not fit in its own name, and still delivers an incredible accomplishment for a team of characters that is often overlooked but widely appreciated in the fandom.

. :DINO: :DINO: :DINO: ½ out of :DINO: :DINO: :DINO: :DINO: :DINO:
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1889317)
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2017 @ 6:21am CDT
I had kind of a hard time following some of this story so I don't know what to think. I'll have to give it another read tonight after work
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1889324)
Posted by Kurona on June 14th, 2017 @ 7:02am CDT
I'll say what I said in the staff emails: I liked most of the pieces of the story, just not how it was put together. Great bricks, terrible cement. Very good posters, awful blu-tak. My analogies are getting worse and worse so I'll just leave it at Bludgeon looking FRIGGIN' AWESOME
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1889341)
Posted by ScottyP on June 14th, 2017 @ 8:36am CDT
I positively adored this story, this book, this arc (long as it took to happen), and the setup it leaves for future stories. Congratulations new Protoforms, your adopted parents are the dumber of the Dinobots, the new smart lady Dinobot, and Sandstorm.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1889392)
Posted by RNSrobot on June 14th, 2017 @ 12:53pm CDT
I enjoyed it. Ramondelli's art suited the story and was actually among the best I've seen from him. His Trypticon is awesome. Excellent stuff with Starscream, too, very in keeping with how Scott has portrayed him in TAAO. Some fun twists and turns.

I'd like John Barber to stop using a million name tags and somebody's inner monologue now, please.
Re: Full Preview for IDW Transformers: Salvation (1890290)
Posted by Coptur on June 18th, 2017 @ 2:44pm CDT
Quick video on Transformers Salvation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDpS6xBaD4o

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