Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem

Transformers News: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem

Monday, March 18th, 2019 9:22AM CDT

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There was a bit of confusion last week with the announcement that the Bayverse was here to stay, at least in some fashion. Of course, no one associated with the films had said otherwise and the word "reboot" had never actually been used but some fans were eager to move away from the Michael Bay films of the past. Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura acknowledges this in his latest interview saying that he has definitely heard the disdain for Michael Bay's films and the joy at the change of pace and style found in the Bumblebee film, which focused more on character. Bumblebee proved that a film set in the Bayverse could be different enough to provide fans a new experience and future films will follow suite, it is a lesson the producer has learnt.

However, Mr Di Bonaventura did also hear many fans saying that Bumblebee did lack the level of action that came with a Transformers film. Afterall, it wasn't necessarily the action element that fans disliked from the Bay films. So future films will try to satisfy both parties, those looking for more of what the Bumblebee movie offered and those seeking more "Bayhem". That was his choice of words, which you can read below in an interview from Collider.

Also, while an Optimus Prime centric film was on the table at some point, the producer has stated that this project has morphed into the buddy movie of Optimus and Bumblebee which will serve as a sequel to last year's Transformers: Bumblebee movie. That tidbit was reported in an interview with The River.

“…the audience had asked us several times, in different ways, ‘I want to get to know a Transformer better.” We did that. In some respects, definitely a tip to what the audience had said to us. The interesting part is when you set out to do something like that, you don’t exactly know the ramifications of it. In this case, the ramification of it was, for the people who didn’t love the movie, was not enough action. Because you’re telling a more intimate story, therefore you can’t. So the criticism we got from some fans was like, “Hey, come on.” It was funny, I was just in Japan…and one of the reporters said to me, ‘I love the movie, I love this, I love this, and I was very tired of Michael Bay.’ I said, ‘Uh huh, I’ve heard this before.” And he goes, ‘But you know, after watching this film, I kind of wish it had a little more Michael Bay.’ It was really funny. I said, ‘Listen, I completely understand. I like what Michael does, too. Two different films, two different attempts.'”

“Several lessons have come out of this. One is that we have the freedom to tell almost any story. The other is that, how strongly the audience identified with the strength of character and emotion. I know the next Transformer, our attempt anyway, is to sort of do a fusion of Bumblebee and the Bay movies…a little more Bayhem. And a little bit more of the character falling in love within the emotional dynamic of the movie. One of the things I want to do—and I hope we pull it off—is, we did it with Bumblebee because he’s so cute and he’s so accessible, but he can’t talk. I think the more human we can make these characters, the more people are going to like them.


Transformers News: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem
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Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015041)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 18th, 2019 @ 9:30am CDT
So more action and more focus on emotional development? It would depend on director and writing staff if they can pull it off
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015042)
Posted by william-james88 on March 18th, 2019 @ 9:32am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:So more action and more focus on emotional development? It would depend on director and writing staff if they can pull it off

I read it as same focus on emotional development but more action. It can be pulled off. Infinity War pulled it off.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015044)
Posted by ScottyP on March 18th, 2019 @ 9:40am CDT
I don't believe anything they say about these movies ahead of time anymore, especialy when they're in planning stages.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015045)
Posted by william-james88 on March 18th, 2019 @ 9:47am CDT
ScottyP wrote:I don't believe anything they say about these movies ahead of time anymore, especialy when they're in planning stages.

Especially after the Last Knight right? Remember all that talk about making this huge writing room and getting Robert Kirkman and others. And what did we get? More of the same (or worse).
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015046)
Posted by TulioDude on March 18th, 2019 @ 9:49am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
ScottyP wrote:I don't believe anything they say about these movies ahead of time anymore, especialy when they're in planning stages.

Especially after the Last Knight right? Remember all that talk about making this huge writing room and getting Robert Kirkman and others. And what did we get? More of the same (or worse).


But also gave us the Bumblebee movie,which was already being planned before the Last Knight was released.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015054)
Posted by Kyleor on March 18th, 2019 @ 10:32am CDT
"Afterall, it wasn't necessarily the action element that fans disliked from the Bay films."

But I thought that the (too much) action element is what people disliked from the Bay films...

Bumblebee was an excellent balance of action and actual, cohesive, story.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015058)
Posted by william-james88 on March 18th, 2019 @ 10:54am CDT
Kyleor wrote:"Afterall, it wasn't necessarily the action element that fans disliked from the Bay films."

But I thought that the (too much) action element is what people disliked from the Bay films...

Bumblebee was an excellent balance of action and actual, cohesive, story.

There is a bit of that but from what I have read and experienced, what people hate most from Bay is the inapropriate humour, the lack of attention to the robots, the lack of a focused story, the over complicated designs of the transformers, and all that sex talk.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015059)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 18th, 2019 @ 11:04am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:"Afterall, it wasn't necessarily the action element that fans disliked from the Bay films."

But I thought that the (too much) action element is what people disliked from the Bay films...

Bumblebee was an excellent balance of action and actual, cohesive, story.

There is a bit of that but from what I have read and experienced, what people hate most from Bay is the inapropriate humour, the lack of attention to the robots, the lack of a focused story, the over complicated designs of the transformers, and all that sex talk.
Oh, there have been some complaints about the action as well. Not that there's too much or whatever, but that it's either been too violent (focusing too much on the graphic killing aspect or the collateral damage rather than the fight choreography) or too incomprehensible (see the first movie's robot fight scenes that had so many blurs, close ups, and awkward angles that made actually seeing what was going on at times an effort of futility).
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015063)
Posted by Ratman_tf on March 18th, 2019 @ 12:09pm CDT
Action is good, but it has to serve the story. Bayhem is mindless spectacle at the expense of stories and characters.
Transformers doesn't need Bayhem.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015064)
Posted by Ratman_tf on March 18th, 2019 @ 12:12pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:So more action and more focus on emotional development? It would depend on director and writing staff if they can pull it off

I read it as same focus on emotional development but more action. It can be pulled off. Infinity War pulled it off.


The Marvel movies are generally a good blend of action, humor, story, character, etc.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015066)
Posted by hausjam on March 18th, 2019 @ 12:26pm CDT
The plot of AOE and TLK certainly left alot to be desired. But I personally love the "Bayformers" design aesthetic. And I grew up with G1 (and own a truckload of the toys). For cartoonish whatever, G1 rules. For live action, Bayformers looked perfect. These are advanced, robotic beings. Their bodies should look advanced and complex. The Bumblebee prologue scenes on Cybertron looked very rushed and amateurish; the cgi itself wasn't hateful, but the designs themselves were just G1-rehash; too simplistic, not well thought out, and certainly not original. The G1 designs do NOT translate to photo-realism. The toys were from a simpler time and the cartoon models were designed to be drawn quickly and on the cheap. They are fun for nostalgic masterpiece toys, but that's where they should end.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015075)
Posted by SlyTF1 on March 18th, 2019 @ 2:33pm CDT
That's what I'm talking about! The best part about Bumblebee was the first 2 minutes on Cybertron and then the fight with Blitzwing. The rest of the movie was complete and utter boring garbage.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015082)
Posted by Jumpstart1083 on March 18th, 2019 @ 4:25pm CDT
“I think the more human we can make these characters the more people will love them” ...

Are you kidding me, dude? I could slap this idiot. First of all, that’s how you write character to begin with. Even if you’re writing a weird alien it’s still going to be a departure from what we consider human, and therefore still TIED to humanity and human feelings in some way that’s interesting to us, IF done well... Transformers has been doing this SINCE IT’S INCEPTION, in EVERY ITERATION. Hence, the fan reactions to the thoughtless carnal shit show movies!?!??

God good.

Secondly, the fans have been whining about that since the first movie. This is not some kind of thought provoking statement, Jesus Christ. It’s them finally listening to our feedback. I don’t know why, but the nonchalance of that statement just hit my nerves.

I don’t want a return to bay styled action, unless it makes sense for the story and is well choreographed and uses its environment thoughtfully, like Bumblebee. Shiny metal pieces of something floating around my screen like a screen saver on crack ain’t for me. Shit happening for no reason for 30 minutes at a time is useless to me. And boring as hell. I do agree though, a bit more action could be good BUT ONLY, if they take the lessons they learned from the Bumblebee movie and carry them over, and really honestly incorporate them. If it becomes more thoughtless bullshit and no characterization or story telling just for the sake of a bunch of mindless violence... My head will explode out of the sheer stupidity, like a bay movie. Lol...
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015083)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on March 18th, 2019 @ 5:18pm CDT
Now it's a reboot...

Bumblebee Producer Says Next Transformers Movie Will Be A Reboot

"The main Transformers movie we are working on is a reboot, and I will say that the Bumblebee sequel will be more directly linked to the timeline that we set up,"
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015084)
Posted by 15ngcs1 on March 18th, 2019 @ 5:19pm CDT
Jumpstart1083 wrote:“I think the more human we can make these characters the more people will love them” ...

Are you kidding me, dude? I could slap this idiot. First of all, that’s how you write character to begin with. Even if you’re writing a weird alien it’s still going to be a departure from what we consider human, and therefore still TIED to humanity and human feelings in some way that’s interesting to us, IF done well... Transformers has been doing this SINCE IT’S INCEPTION, in EVERY ITERATION. Hence, the fan reactions to the thoughtless carnal **** show movies!?!??

God good.

Secondly, the fans have been whining about that since the first movie. This is not some kind of thought provoking statement, Jesus Christ. It’s them finally listening to our feedback. I don’t know why, but the nonchalance of that statement just hit my nerves.

I don’t want a return to bay styled action, unless it makes sense for the story and is well choreographed and uses its environment thoughtfully, like Bumblebee. Shiny metal pieces of something floating around my screen like a screen saver on crack ain’t for me. **** happening for no reason for 30 minutes at a time is useless to me. And boring as hell. I do agree though, a bit more action could be good BUT ONLY, if they take the lessons they learned from the Bumblebee movie and carry them over, and really honestly incorporate them. If it becomes more thoughtless bullshit and no characterization or story telling just for the sake of a bunch of mindless violence... My head will explode out of the sheer stupidity, like a bay movie. Lol...


exactly!
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015100)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 18th, 2019 @ 6:26pm CDT
SkyFire Prime wrote:Now it's a reboot...

Bumblebee Producer Says Next Transformers Movie Will Be A Reboot

"The main Transformers movie we are working on is a reboot, and I will say that the Bumblebee sequel will be more directly linked to the timeline that we set up,"

Sources?
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015116)
Posted by cruizerdave on March 18th, 2019 @ 7:19pm CDT
Oh good. I was worried that these movies would start making sense.
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015133)
Posted by DeathReviews on March 18th, 2019 @ 8:41pm CDT
Count me as one of the entities that wants to keep Bay OUT of future films as much as possible...
Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015134)
Posted by william-james88 on March 18th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CDT
Yes, you read that title right. And if you are confused, that's fine, it means you have been rather attentive. Very recently, Lorenzo di Bonaventura stated that not only would there be a big Transformers film following the Last Knight (though not necessarily continuing that film's plot), but that subsequent films would bring back some Bayhem.

And now, ladies and gentlemen, we are being told that the next big film, following the Last Knight, will be a reboot. We are also being told that the sequel to Bumblebee, the buddy film with Optimus Prime, will tie into the new continuity of said film. Both scripts are being developed at the same time and it is unknown which film will start filming first or be released first. We know many fans were hoping for a reboot simply because that would mean that the films were stepping away from the Michael bay films. But we have since been told that the next films would contain Bayhem regardless, so it seems the reboot is simply to avoid continuity problems, like having Megatron show up in the Bumblebee sequel, as opposed to a change in style or content from previous Transformers films. Of course, this is merely inference from all that was said recently and in this interview from Gamespot.

Looking at what is being told to us, is this the reboot you were hoping for? Let us know!

"The main Transformers movie we are working on is a reboot, and I will say that the Bumblebee sequel will be more directly linked to the timeline that we set up," Di Bonaventura told GameSpot.

"I think Paramount should just pick the best script and release that first," the producer said. "I don't think there is a plan in terms of what movie comes out first, and I always think you should just go with the best script first instead of planning a franchise based on release dates."

He went on to say that the Bumblebee sequel will be bigger than the previous one, despite the spin-off having had the smallest budget in the franchise. "It is going to bring Bumblebee into a bigger adventure," Di Bonaventura said. "What was fun about the first one was that we didn’t have to be beholden to the other Transformers movies."


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Re: Future Transformers Sequels to be a Blend of Bumblebee Movie Characterization and Bayhem (2015135)
Posted by Burn on March 18th, 2019 @ 9:04pm CDT
Think it might be time to put a muzzle on di Bonaventura given all the different things he's saying.

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