Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards

Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards

Friday, July 6th, 2018 7:50am CDT

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While we don't normally report on minor differences between auxiliary items like collectable cards, and while it has been some time since this detail was observed, it's still something interesting enough to warrant a mention. In the process of obtaining the various cards detailing Wave 3 Legends Cindersaur's Prime-based power-ups, collectors have noticed that different cards in the set address the character with different-gendered pronouns.

Cards of the "Alpha Trion Cindersaur" variety address Cindersaur as a 'she', while the Micronus cards instead use a male pronoun. It appears that all other cards in the set use either gender-neutral pronouns or simply omit them altogether, making for a 50/50 balance of genders in this Cindersaur figure's current fiction, insofar as it can be considered such.

Whether this "running change" of sorts is intentional on Hasbro's part or not will probably never be known for certain, but either way it makes for some interesting speculation - be it on the real-life end leading to this interesting situation, or in-fiction explanations including the welcoming of Cindersaur into genderfluid circles. Regardless, it's definitely one of the more unexpected occurrences to spawn from the dwindling 'bio-style' pack-in fiction in recent years!

Check below for an image of Alpha Trion Cindersaur's card from Seibertronian Hellscream9999 - there seems to be a lack of photos online showing the Micronus variant, so if you happen to have that version, why not post it up for others to see in the Energon Pub Forums? While you're there, feel free to discuss this situation with other board members - and for discussion ranging toward the more "political" side of things, consider sharing your thoughts in the Gender Politics thread instead! And as always, stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all future Transformers news, be it of the expected variety or otherwise.

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Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968963)
Posted by Qwan on July 6th, 2018 @ 7:58am CDT
Here's something interesting I found while looking into this: it has been suggested that the reason for this variation is that whoever wrote the bios for the cards forgot the change the gender on a Slash card from female to male for Cindersaur, or something along those lines. But while Micronus Slash uses a female pronoun and Micronus Cindersaur uses male, supporting this theory, Alpha Trion Slash's card makes no mention of gender at all. Meaning that (even if the idea of altering cards between retools is how the process works, which I doubt anyway) the change to male pronoun for Micronus and the addition of female pronoun for Alpha Trion were both "intentional", insofar as neither one was accidentally left unaltered or anything like that.

Just an interesting supplemental fact, that didn't really have a spot to go in the article proper :D
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968964)
Posted by Quantum Surge on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:00am CDT
I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968965)
Posted by Qwan on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:07am CDT
Quantum Surge wrote:I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.

Well, that's just the thing - see my extra note above. The Alpha Trion card that addresses Cindersaur as a 'she' refers to Slash neutrally, meaning that whether or not that's how the cards work, it was intentionally added for Cindersaur's. It seems like an obvious explanation but the more I look into it, the curiouser it becomes!
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968966)
Posted by It Is Him on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:18am CDT
Cindersaur is gender fluid. It’s official now.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968968)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:23am CDT
Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968969)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:25am CDT
Egads, the throne does not look good. The rest of the set looks great though and I kinda want it.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968971)
Posted by truegrit on July 6th, 2018 @ 8:30am CDT
It Is Him wrote:Cindersaur is gender fluid. It’s official now.


This seems appropriate

Image
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968975)
Posted by RiddlerJ on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:13am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:Gotta be honest. Even if I did get this Primal, that cardboard throne probably will go in the trash.


I rather like it. We don't get a lot of "set pieces" for Transformers. I've got the pop-up Autobot Ark from that SDCC G1/Age of Extinction Dinobot set from several years back. I have to find some room to display that one of these days. By the way, is anyone else planning on putting Optimal Optimus elsewhere and sitting Power of the Primes Optimus Prime on that throne instead?


If the throne was plastic, I'd love it, but a flimsy cardboard thing that takes up a lot of space while looking like a cardboard cutout isn't going to make it.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968979)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:19am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:By the way, is anyone else planning on putting Optimal Optimus elsewhere and sitting Power of the Primes Optimus Prime on that throne instead?
"Thrones are for Decepticons. Besides, I'd rather roll." --Optimus Prime.

:P
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968980)
Posted by Randomhero on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:34am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:By the way, is anyone else planning on putting Optimal Optimus elsewhere and sitting Power of the Primes Optimus Prime on that throne instead?
"Thrones are for Decepticons. Besides, I'd rather roll." --Optimus Prime.

:P



Primal will be knocked off that throne and Galvatron will be put on it with the scepter in one and and a battle axe at his side. Might even use Titan master heads of Optimus, megatron, Rodimus and others in place of the prime master slots
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968982)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:46am CDT
If one wanted to, one could pretend that the little Matrix Prime Master is an incarnation of Primal Prime since Primal Prime himself was a living incarnation of the Matrix.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968986)
Posted by ScottyP on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:54am CDT
Quantum Surge wrote:I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.
Wouldn't be the first mix up
Image

(Don't Tech Spec me, I'm going with their generally associated abilities)
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968988)
Posted by Counterpunch on July 6th, 2018 @ 9:58am CDT
Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.


You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968991)
Posted by budmaloney on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:02am CDT
I like the throne, it's a clever use of packaging that people won't throwout. It's just odd to me seeing the Optimal Optimus body in Primal's original scheme. I haven't bought OpOp yet, but I think the matrix on this one would be a better fit with OpOp, the blue one just looked odd and clashed. Though tbh I've been out of the POTP line especially the evolution.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968992)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:05am CDT
Counterpunch wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.


You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.

No. There is no discussion to be had. That's about as much "respect" as you're getting from me on that issue.

I'll say no more on the matter solely because you're an admin, but make no mistake, I'm not happy about seeing that kind of deviant drivel here.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968993)
Posted by no-one on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:05am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:If one wanted to, one could pretend that the little Matrix Prime Master is an incarnation of Primal Prime since Primal Prime himself was a living incarnation of the Matrix.
I like the cut of your jib good sir.

That is one PM I'd like to get my hands on. :BOOM:
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968994)
Posted by Happy Miracle on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:06am CDT
Black Hat wrote: and "gender fluid" is not a thing.


I mean, it is, whether you like it or not.

Don't encourage that harmful crap.


Sorry, hi, I'm new. I just wanted to put forward that as someone who spends time with a lot of people who identify as queer, trans, genderfluid and all of that is that the thing which is consistently 'harmful' are the attitudes, behaviours, and violence which seek to deny and punish anyone who doesn't meet conform to a binary experience of gender.
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968995)
Posted by Sigma Magnus on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:06am CDT
Since I'm genderfluid myself, this was neat to see. I wonder if any future authors will make reference to it :D
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968996)
Posted by It Is Him on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:13am CDT
Black Hat wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Stop. STOP. STOP.

This isn't Allspark, and "gender fluid" is not a thing. Don't encourage that harmful crap.


You can have an opinion that you can deliver respectfully.

Try discussing the issue and see how other people view it before closing the door to empathy.

No. There is no discussion to be had. That's about as much "respect" as you're getting from me on that issue.

I'll say no more on the matter solely because you're an admin, but make no mistake, I'm not happy about seeing that kind of deviant drivel here.



Here’s the door
Re: Gender Variation in Power of the Primes Legends Cindersaur's Prime Cards (1968997)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 6th, 2018 @ 10:14am CDT
Looks like Cindersaur has some "What gender?" issues in some online chat rooms. I sympathise, I get mistaken for the opposite one all the time. My overall behaviour doesn't help, despite the plumbing :lol:

Seriously tho, the female ones for Cindersaur do seem to come from the Slash template, as a couple of her cards do use "she" and "her", like the Prima and Micronus ones. Tracking and fixing them, well... we're dealing with 12 cards per character here.

ScottyP wrote:
Quantum Surge wrote:I feel like it was carried over from Slash by mistake, given how Cindersaur is a repaint of that character.
Wouldn't be the first mix up
Image

(Don't Tech Spec me, I'm going with their generally associated abilities)


It may seem odd, but let me give you some snippets from the Marvel Transformers Universe bios:

Windcharger
Windcharger is the fastest Autobot of them all - for short distances. He can go from 0 to 60 mph in automobile mode in almost no time whatsoever, and that makes him useful in certain situations requiring very fast, very decisive action.

Tailgate
In car mode, Tailgate can go as fast as 180 mph under his own power with a range of 600 miles. But a powerful ferrocobalt magnet under his hood allows him to be pulled by and within a few feet of any vehicle he chooses to follow, reducing his own fuel expenditure to nearly zero.


What do you guys think?

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