Hasbro Officially Adds Evolution Subtitle to Legacy in 2023 Plus Teases Reveals for Pulscon
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Meanwhile they've also added some other teasers including a "never-before-seen" partnership as well as what is most certainly going to be Shattered Glass Soundwave.
The Instagram posted is copied below:
Fanbots! Get ready to #RollOut with #Transformers on Day 1 of #HasbroPulseCon2022! Join the team on Sept. 30th, as they reveal SO MANY new and cool things! Fine, we'll give you a taste...how about Transformers Legacy: Evolution?! And a new partnership, including the reveal of a never-before-seen product and artwork! Not enough? Well, there's also the raddest final reveal of #ShatteredGlass 2022! You'll just have to tune in and check it out! Click the link in our bio to learn more!
Big thanks to Seibertronian o.supreme for letting us know about this!
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2022 @ 11:11pm CDT
Since then, we've had lines named "Transformers: Combiner Wars", "Transformers: Titans Return", "Transformers: Power of the Primes" (these three collectively known as the "Prime Wars Trilogy"), "Transformers: Generations Selects", "Transformers: Studio Series", "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy", "Transformers: Siege", "Transformers: Earthrise", "Transformers: Kingdom" (the latter three collectively known as the "War For Cybertron Trilogy", separate from but still affiliated with the aforementioned "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy" toyline), and "Transformers: Legacy".
While folks have often referred these as "Generations" lines, that name has become more of an umbrella term than a formal name ever since it was dropped from the main-series logo beginning with Combiner Wars.
Sure, there have been store-exclusive subseries like "Siege: 30th Anniversary", "Earthrise: Galactic Odyssey Collection", "Kingdom: Golden Disk Collection", "Legacy: Wreck N' Rule Collection", and "Legacy: Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection", but nothing like this across the entire mass retail toyline since "Transformers: Generations - Thrilling 30".
Posted by Emerje on September 2nd, 2022 @ 11:49pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by Lore Keeper on September 3rd, 2022 @ 2:39am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:So, Legacy gets its own subline imprint, eh? Been a long time since a "Generations" line had one of those. Or at least, not since there was a line that was actually called "Transformers: Generations", which hasn't been a thing since Thrilling 30.
Since then, we've had lines named "Transformers: Combiner Wars", "Transformers: Titans Return", "Transformers: Power of the Primes" (these three collectively known as the "Prime Wars Trilogy"), "Transformers: Generations Selects", "Transformers: Studio Series", "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy", "Transformers: Siege", "Transformers: Earthrise", "Transformers: Kingdom" (the latter three collectively known as the "War For Cybertron Trilogy", separate from but still affiliated with the aforementioned "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy" toyline), and "Transformers: Legacy".
While folks have often referred these as "Generations" lines, that name has become more of an umbrella term than a formal name ever since it was dropped from the main-series logo beginning with Combiner Wars.
Sure, there have been store-exclusive subseries like "Siege: 30th Anniversary", "Earthrise: Galactic Odyssey Collection", "Kingdom: Golden Disk Collection", "Legacy: Wreck N' Rule Collection", and "Legacy: Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection", but nothing like this across the entire mass retail toyline since "Transformers: Generations - Thrilling 30".
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 8:29am CDT
Posted by Emerje on September 3rd, 2022 @ 9:27am CDT
MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...
That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.
Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.
Emerje
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 3rd, 2022 @ 10:08am CDT
Emerje wrote:MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...
That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.
Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.
Emerje
When you say remake you mean both games, right? Be weird if they just chose to remake the second game. Though the worst case scenario is Transformers NFTs in the same vein as the power rangers one they did. Despite the market going south, some companies (*cough*Square Enix*cough*) are still pressing forward.
Posted by Emerje on September 3rd, 2022 @ 10:11am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Emerje wrote:MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...
That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.
Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.
Emerje
When you say remake you mean both games, right? Be weird if they just chose to remake the second game. Though the worst case scenario is Transformers NFTs in the same vein as the power rangers one they did. Despite the market going south, some companies (*cough*Square Enix*cough*) are still pressing forward.
I think the rumor was actually about the WFC game and I'm just tired...
Emerje
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 3rd, 2022 @ 10:31am CDT
Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Emerje wrote:MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...
That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.
Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.
Emerje
When you say remake you mean both games, right? Be weird if they just chose to remake the second game. Though the worst case scenario is Transformers NFTs in the same vein as the power rangers one they did. Despite the market going south, some companies (*cough*Square Enix*cough*) are still pressing forward.
I think the rumor was actually about the WFC game and I'm just tired...
Emerje
Makes more sense
Wouldn't complain at some new tf games.
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 11:15am CDT
A partnership of something or other
I don't use much social media or wherever they posted, and I am thoroughly confused.
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2022 @ 11:45am CDT
Posted by Overcracker on September 3rd, 2022 @ 11:51am CDT
First impressions:
Quite heavy.
Not very tall.
Getting everything tabbed in, in the different modes is quite a chore.
Jet mode is…. Not as terrible as I feared, but also not really good. I have a feeling some hinges or swivels got budgeted out, because the faux fins for robot mode, seem like they are almost meant to end up under the real ones in jet mode to mimic the G1 toy and cartoon model.
Tank mode is pretty good.
Bendy sword is a bit annoying, but not a deal breaker.
Don’t know what I’m going to do with the big bulbous energon hands.
Otherwise… he’s o.k. I think for Leader budget its a bit lacking.
Posted by Nemesis Primal on September 3rd, 2022 @ 1:33pm CDT
They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
Posted by bluecatcinema on September 3rd, 2022 @ 2:19pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 4:24pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
I hope not, that would be just dumb
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 3rd, 2022 @ 4:27pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
I hope not, that would be just dumb
They did a MLP collab before so a TF collab is more than likely.
But if you won't buy the thing anyway, why should you care?
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 4:34pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.
I hope not, that would be just dumb
They did a MLP collab before so a TF collab is more than likely.
But if you won't buy the thing anyway, why should you care?
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 3rd, 2022 @ 4:43pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
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It has no right to exist
I do hope you meant that as a "joke".
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 4:49pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:
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It has no right to exist
I do hope you meant that as a "joke".
nope. End of conversation.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 3rd, 2022 @ 5:22pm CDT
By the by, its up to Hasbro to decide if these things exist or not, we just chose to buy them or not (and I would).
Still, we'll have an answer sooner rather then later.
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2022 @ 5:34pm CDT
Posted by Sowndwave76 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 7:09pm CDT
I don’t plan on ever opening my NF version; it all looks pretty awesome in the packaging.
Plus, I’m not going to be completely surprised if we get a SS86 version.
Even though I almost think SS86 Rumble is an attempt to help the re-packed Seige Soundwave mold not seem quite as bad…
I remember Buzzworthy Kup, Cliffjumper, & even SS86 Ironhide.
On top of the fact that Soundwave is a top-tier character.
Doesn’t seem likely that all of the cassettes would get individual Core class releases—
SS86 Soundwave could be Leader class but packing him with Frenzy & Buzzsaw, while Ravage and Laserbeak are packed individually in later Core waves.
Posted by Emerje on September 3rd, 2022 @ 7:18pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And it's not like there hasn't already been a Transformers/Magic: The Gathering collaboration before. Magic previously made a Grimlock card back in 2017:
I was going to say, that was my desktop background from 2017 to this past winter.
Emerje
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 3rd, 2022 @ 7:26pm CDT
Sowndwave76 wrote:I found Legacy Soundwave at my local Target this morning. There were 2 on the shelf.
I don’t plan on ever opening my NF version; it all looks pretty awesome in the packaging.
Plus, I’m not going to be completely surprised if we get a SS86 version.
Even though I almost think SS86 Rumble is an attempt to help the re-packed Seige Soundwave mold not seem quite as bad…
I remember Buzzworthy Kup, Cliffjumper, & even SS86 Ironhide.
On top of the fact that Soundwave is a top-tier character.
Doesn’t seem likely that all of the cassettes would get individual Core class releases—
SS86 Soundwave could be Leader class but packing him with Frenzy & Buzzsaw, while Ravage and Laserbeak are packed individually in later Core waves.
We'll have to wait and see with Soundwave, while we did get a reuse of the vw bee mold, that was in a completely different deco then what we had in the NF line. We have SG Soundwave coming up but that might just mean that the NF Soundwave deco is still locked away.
Basically don't expect ss86 SW but you can be pleasantly surprised if he does happen.
Posted by Sowndwave76 on September 3rd, 2022 @ 10:19pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:I found Legacy Soundwave at my local Target this morning. There were 2 on the shelf.
I don’t plan on ever opening my NF version; it all looks pretty awesome in the packaging.
Plus, I’m not going to be completely surprised if we get a SS86 version.
Even though I almost think SS86 Rumble is an attempt to help the re-packed Seige Soundwave mold not seem quite as bad…
I remember Buzzworthy Kup, Cliffjumper, & even SS86 Ironhide.
On top of the fact that Soundwave is a top-tier character.
Doesn’t seem likely that all of the cassettes would get individual Core class releases—
SS86 Soundwave could be Leader class but packing him with Frenzy & Buzzsaw, while Ravage and Laserbeak are packed individually in later Core waves.
We'll have to wait and see with Soundwave, while we did get a reuse of the vw bee mold, that was in a completely different deco then what we had in the NF line. We have SG Soundwave coming up but that might just mean that the NF Soundwave deco is still locked away.
Basically don't expect ss86 SW but you can be pleasantly surprised if he does happen.
I definitely don’t expect it.
And wow, I knew I rushed that last post, but it was really poorly worded…
I don’t expect a SS86 Soundwave… But like I said, those figures I mentioned were pretty surprising. A lot of that surprise being contributed to the timing of their releases relative to their original releases.
And between the most G1 (non-MP) version of this character that’s ever been made was a relatively hard-to-get exclusive, the sheer popularity of this character, & his substantial role in the first part of the movie (who else was going to carry Megatron back to Astrotrain?)… It won’t exactly be shocking if a SS86 version happens.
Along with my idea of how to release almost all of the main cassettes— although I take back Frenzy & Buzzsaw being packed-in’s: give me Ratbat instead of Buzzsaw)— Soundwave would make a great Leader class release for SS86… Maybe not as exciting as getting SS86 Swoop. But other than Swoop rounding-out the 5 Dinobots, I’m sure there will be plenty of people that would be more excited about a new/mainly retooled Soundwave. After Snarl & Swoop, it would be nice and make sense to get a solid Decepticon release.
I personally would hope they can make his legs longer and get his proportions better, similar to Blaster.
And please, Hastak… Keep it going with the forearm panels!
No figure should have huge hollow gaps in their forearms!
But I get it… Who knows… Watch, we’ll get SS86 Core releases for Frenzy, Ratbat, & Lazerbeak.
But never a SS86 Soundwave for them.
Posted by Burn on September 4th, 2022 @ 2:41am CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:_________________________________________________________\
It has no right to exist
Based on what? Your personal opinion? pffffffft. Just because YOU don't approve of it doesn't mean others won't. So save your money for the few bits and bobs you do like.
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 4th, 2022 @ 7:12am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on September 4th, 2022 @ 10:15am CDT
So, Legacy Motormaster. Pretty cool, but they definitely should have used CW pegs for the Menasor shoulder connections - even if they had to make clip-on sockets for them (speaking of, would the 3P clowns please make these already instead of pointless garbage crap like unnecessary thigh extensions?). Because CW pegs actually have room for a strong spring for the rotation ratchet. The rotation ratchets on the Menasor shoulders as executed... do not feel like their springs are entirely up to the task. Attaching Drag Strip to the arm introduces a lot of play to the rotation, which is worrisome. I would not recommend leaving an unmodified Menasor combined, especially not with the arms doing anything besides resting at his sides.
I would like to know who thought that using a weaker rotation joint than CW pegs have, for arms inherently heavier than those of CW combiners, was a good idea.
Also, the trailer wheels needed longer pegs on their backplates. The tiny little nub does nothing to lock them in, so they're quite prone to splaying under the weight.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 10:21am CDT
Posted by Nemesis Primal on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:37pm CDT
There has been zero official announcement, but in the stream that revealed SS Wave 4 and went over Legacy Wave 3 there were a bunch of seemingly random camera effects/flashes of color, Ben from the TF team changed into a shirt featuring the Simic Combine logo in the last 7 minutes or so of the stream, and when asked about the shirt Ben mentioned the color flashes and that he has a background with MTG and said he was "working on something with them, so more to come maybe". That seems like a pretty overt hint to me.ZeroWolf wrote:Having done some digging, all I'm coming up with for Transformers mtg is the aforementioned grimlock (which was a hascon exclusive) and an Optimus Prime card that was given to the folk who made the short lived Transformers tcg (the Optimus promo was double sided with one being a normal mtg card frame and the other a Transformers tcg card frame). I've found zip on any official announcement of their being a product like the lord of the rings crossover, the 40k crossover etc etc.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 4th, 2022 @ 1:47pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:There has been zero official announcement, but in the stream that revealed SS Wave 4 and went over Legacy Wave 3 there were a bunch of seemingly random camera effects/flashes of color, Ben from the TF team changed into a shirt featuring the Simic Combine logo in the last 7 minutes or so of the stream, and when asked about the shirt Ben mentioned the color flashes and that he has a background with MTG and said he was "working on something with them, so more to come maybe". That seems like a pretty overt hint to me.ZeroWolf wrote:Having done some digging, all I'm coming up with for Transformers mtg is the aforementioned grimlock (which was a hascon exclusive) and an Optimus Prime card that was given to the folk who made the short lived Transformers tcg (the Optimus promo was double sided with one being a normal mtg card frame and the other a Transformers tcg card frame). I've found zip on any official announcement of their being a product like the lord of the rings crossover, the 40k crossover etc etc.
Oh I never said anything wouldn't come of it, but people were acting like it had already been officially announced like all the other mtg products
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:00pm CDT
But he also should have had the CW connector ports on his shoulders. Or at least had them as an option where the arms he has now can be folded to his back or disconnected altogether like the lower legs.
I've said it repeatedly before, with CW Menasor only Motormaster was the problem.
Posted by Nemesis Primal on September 4th, 2022 @ 4:16pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:There has been zero official announcement, but in the stream that revealed SS Wave 4 and went over Legacy Wave 3 there were a bunch of seemingly random camera effects/flashes of color, Ben from the TF team changed into a shirt featuring the Simic Combine logo in the last 7 minutes or so of the stream, and when asked about the shirt Ben mentioned the color flashes and that he has a background with MTG and said he was "working on something with them, so more to come maybe". That seems like a pretty overt hint to me.ZeroWolf wrote:Having done some digging, all I'm coming up with for Transformers mtg is the aforementioned grimlock (which was a hascon exclusive) and an Optimus Prime card that was given to the folk who made the short lived Transformers tcg (the Optimus promo was double sided with one being a normal mtg card frame and the other a Transformers tcg card frame). I've found zip on any official announcement of their being a product like the lord of the rings crossover, the 40k crossover etc etc.
Oh I never said anything wouldn't come of it, but people were acting like it had already been officially announced like all the other mtg products
Posted by Aaarnhide19 on September 4th, 2022 @ 6:14pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 5th, 2022 @ 2:39am CDT
You may have just cracked the code on why it's called "Evolution", but not in the exact way you suggest. In Armada, what we knew in the English version as "Powerlinx", (the process of a Mini-Con attaching to and upgrading its larger partner) was instead called "Evolution" in the Japanese version. The name could very well indeed refer to the fact that we are supposed to be getting more Armada characters in the line.Aaarnhide19 wrote:Evolution might be a vague term referring to newer iterations of characters like armada Megatron being an “evolution” of G1 Megatron since they are planning on doing more armada characters for the line.
Posted by Till-all-R1 on September 5th, 2022 @ 10:48am CDT
Posted by Overcracker on September 5th, 2022 @ 11:22am CDT
Emerje wrote:It's the beginning of September which means Hasbro is now ready look forward to their 2023 product lines. Much of that is going to be revealed at the upcoming PulseCon with Hasbro Pulse on Instagram promising Transformers reveals day one on September 30. As part of their announcement they revealed that, after a year of speculation as to why Legacy toys in store computers since wave one have had "Ev" in their names, the 2023 line will officially be called Transformers Legacy: Evolution! How that translates to the actual toys is anyone's guess, but maybe we'll get a clue at the end of the month.
Meanwhile they've also added some other teasers including a "never-before-seen" partnership as well as what is most certainly going to be Shattered Glass Soundwave.
The Instagram posted is copied below:Fanbots! Get ready to #RollOut with #Transformers on Day 1 of #HasbroPulseCon2022! Join the team on Sept. 30th, as they reveal SO MANY new and cool things! Fine, we'll give you a taste...how about Transformers Legacy: Evolution?! And a new partnership, including the reveal of a never-before-seen product and artwork! Not enough? Well, there's also the raddest final reveal of #ShatteredGlass 2022! You'll just have to tune in and check it out! Click the link in our bio to learn more!
Big thanks to Seibertronian o.supreme for letting us know about this!
Hopefully this means a Commander Class Armada Prime with trailer pants is coming in the not so distant future.
Posted by SGMLordMirage on September 5th, 2022 @ 11:54am CDT
SGM
Posted by Omegatron. on September 5th, 2022 @ 1:25pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So, Legacy Motormaster. Pretty cool, but they definitely should have used CW pegs for the Menasor shoulder connections - even if they had to make clip-on sockets for them (speaking of, would the 3P clowns please make these
Would these do?
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on September 5th, 2022 @ 3:30pm CDT
In fairness, a not-insignificant portion of his mass goes to the MASSIVE AXE.SGMLordMirage wrote:Just wanted to share a couple of photos; showing the size comparison between the Legacy Cybertron Universe Metroplex and how he fits in with the other Titan Class i have, to include smaller size characters. Obviously, the others have more mass but the original UT toy was slim, so they kept that slender look for sure.
SGM
I'd like to see size comparisons with Cybertron figures, myself.
They might, the next time I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).Omegatron. wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So, Legacy Motormaster. Pretty cool, but they definitely should have used CW pegs for the Menasor shoulder connections - even if they had to make clip-on sockets for them (speaking of, would the 3P clowns please make these
Would these do?
By the way: Who the crap is demanding thigh-extensions for Menasor? The thighs are fine as they are, given TF proportions, and he's already just fine height-wise (in fact, he's already on the tall side):
Extensions give the same stretched effect as the Crazy Devy leg add-ons and would actually make him overheight.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 4:26pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).
Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.
I'm sure sooner or later, there will be some Chinese upgrade kit that will be much cheaper than Shapeway popping up on eBay.
Posted by Till-all-R1 on September 5th, 2022 @ 6:59pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).
Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.
Yeah I suppose, but the printer is doing pretty much all the labor so it's pretty much all markup anyway. lol It would be different if they had a more "hands on" and were actually "casting" molds like we used to have to do in the old days for stuff.
Look I get it there's a market for this 3rd party stuff but if it gets to be too expensive you run the risk or pricing yourself out of said market. With the higher prices of these toys as is I can't fathom adding another $30+ to it for fan made items that cost $3 to make.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 7:41pm CDT
Till-all-R1 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).
Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.
Yeah I suppose, but the printer is doing pretty much all the labor so it's pretty much all markup anyway. lol It would be different if they had a more "hands on" and were actually "casting" molds like we used to have to do in the old days for stuff.
Look I get it there's a market for this 3rd party stuff but if it gets to be too expensive you run the risk or pricing yourself out of said market. With the higher prices of these toys as is I can't fathom adding another $30+ to it for fan made items that cost $3 to make.
You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.
I work at a factory. I know how these things works.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:10pm CDT
It's not the 3D printer that puts in the work of modelling the parts, though. That's where the real work on the seller's end comes in (especially when it comes to add-on parts that have to be custom-developed), and what they're getting reimbursed for.Till-all-R1 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).
Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.
Yeah I suppose, but the printer is doing pretty much all the labor so it's pretty much all markup anyway. lol It would be different if they had a more "hands on" and were actually "casting" molds like we used to have to do in the old days for stuff.
Except you're not paying for someone to run you off a copy or two on their personal 3D printer here.Till-all-R1 wrote:Look I get it there's a market for this 3rd party stuff but if it gets to be too expensive you run the risk or pricing yourself out of said market. With the higher prices of these toys as is I can't fathom adding another $30+ to it for fan made items that cost $3 to make.
You're paying partly to reimburse someone for their development work on the item, and partly for a 3D printing factory to do a single-item or small-lot on-demand run of the item in a plastic of your choice (at least, from the options offered) on one of their enterprise-grade printers. And the seller has to charge enough that there's still something left to pocket after that factory takes their cut.
If the items were being run off directly by the designers, then they would be cheaper (and indeed, they are in cases where that happens)... but they'd most likely be on a home-grade printer, there wouldn't be as much materials choice (if any), and there's also a limit to how much an individual fan can crank out and ship out. Do you remember how dark0v would get backlogged out the wazoo? A 3D printer only does so much to alleviate that.
Posted by Emerje on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:11pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.
I work at a factory. I know how these things works.
I have a 3D printer, there isn't that much labor, the machine does all the work. The commercial machines they're using are made for fast, bulk, semi automated printing. The most labor involved is someone taking it out of the machine and sticking it in a box to mail out. I don't know what their overhead looks like, but it can't be so high that it requires these prices. 3D printing is supposed to be the cheaper alternative to injection molding, but these prices are exceeding that.
Emerje
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:44pm CDT
While I do suspect there's a bit too much shareholder overhead in Shapeways' case... You're forgetting that the items aren't being bought in bulk, especially not stuff like Transformers add-ons.Emerje wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.
I work at a factory. I know how these things works.
I have a 3D printer, there isn't that much labor, the machine does all the work. The commercial machines they're using are made for fast, bulk, semi automated printing. The most labor involved is someone taking it out of the machine and sticking it in a box to mail out. I don't know what their overhead looks like, but it can't be so high that it requires these prices. 3D printing is supposed to be the cheaper alternative to injection molding, but these prices are exceeding that.
Emerje
They're mostly being bought in singles or as small lots, by individual consumers. Which means that Shapeways has to either A. use those big commercial printers inefficiently for single-item or small-lot runs, or B. Group different people's purchases together to make more efficient use of the printers... adding the complexity of having to keep track of which items in a given production batch belong to which buyer. Not sure which way works out cheaper for them, but either way does mean extra operating costs.
The ultimate point is, you're not dealing with mass production prices here. So even with the annoying factory middleman pricing from Shapeways, it is still cheaper than injection molding would be for the same purpose.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 5th, 2022 @ 8:52pm CDT
Emerje wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.
I work at a factory. I know how these things works.
I have a 3D printer, there isn't that much labor, the machine does all the work. The commercial machines they're using are made for fast, bulk, semi automated printing. The most labor involved is someone taking it out of the machine and sticking it in a box to mail out. I don't know what their overhead looks like, but it can't be so high that it requires these prices. 3D printing is supposed to be the cheaper alternative to injection molding, but these prices are exceeding that.
Emerje
That is a dumb comparison. It's like comparing yourself mowing your lawn with your own lawnmower "for free" then you wonder why the pro gardener who do the "same job" charge 60$ an hour.
There's more than the printer and the plastic stick in the cost of making your SINGLE thing at a 3D print FACTORY.
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on September 6th, 2022 @ 8:08am CDT
Overcracker wrote:Don’t know what I’m going to do with the big bulbous energon hands.
I came up with this.
Posted by Emerje on September 6th, 2022 @ 9:01am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:While I do suspect there's a bit too much shareholder overhead in Shapeways' case... You're forgetting that the items aren't being bought in bulk, especially not stuff like Transformers add-ons.
They're mostly being bought in singles or as small lots, by individual consumers. Which means that Shapeways has to either A. use those big commercial printers inefficiently for single-item or small-lot runs, or B. Group different people's purchases together to make more efficient use of the printers... adding the complexity of having to keep track of which items in a given production batch belong to which buyer. Not sure which way works out cheaper for them, but either way does mean extra operating costs.
The ultimate point is, you're not dealing with mass production prices here. So even with the annoying factory middleman pricing from Shapeways, it is still cheaper than injection molding would be for the same purpose.
I'm not forgetting, that's just it. A mass produced part would require $100K steel molds and bulk ordering to bring the price to, let's say, $5 per part (which may or may not also require somebody to remove the part from a sprue, clean the burs and possibly even assemble and sonic weld the part). Shapeways is supposed to be the cheap alternative to that process for the designers so they can get their things out without having to pay the molding costs at a similar price, and that's how it was in the beginning. Instead Shapeways is pushing an inflated price on customers. Those Menasor parts are relatively small and irregular so they don't use a lot of material and have a low z-axis profile so the print time shouldn't be very long, I just can't understand how that would translate to such high prices. I could print that part in 4 hours, they're printers should be able to do it faster and I'm sure they have many of these printers running at the same time and can scale appropriately. I'd love to see them breakdown exactly where these expenses are coming from.
Emerje
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 6th, 2022 @ 4:12pm CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Overcracker wrote:Don’t know what I’m going to do with the big bulbous energon hands.
I came up with this.
That is actually genius! I noticed laser prime is missing his missile s in the battle station mode. This looks perfect enough for me. I WANT that Blitzwing badly now!
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 6th, 2022 @ 4:24pm CDT
Emerje wrote:I'd love to see them breakdown exactly where these expenses are coming from.
Emerje
Maximum profit. And Legacy Breakdown?
I honestly do not know, but I would like to. They are not cheap, these things.