IDW Artist Thomans Scioli tweets new scenes from IDW Go-Bots series

The story premise sounds fun, but I'm really tired of comic books nostalgically homaging art from an era that was basically remarkable for how bad its art was.

WTFIUWTA!?



WHAT THE FRAGGLE IS UP WITH THE ART?!

Are they insane?
Are they kidding?
Is this really what they are going with?
Is it an experiment?
Are 5 year olds all that is left for artists?
Is the world ending?
Did the Rapture take all the artists, because artist are the chosen people of the big in the sky?
Am i still here?
Is this a joke?

the art... is... is BAD!
just terrible.

the cover with Leader-1 was... ok...
but

WTFIUWTA!?

It's basically recreating the art style of the early days, and was used to great effect in the Transformers vs GI Joe miniseries. It's not to some people's tastes but each to their own.

Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?

I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com

Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com

Did anyone really ask for micronaughts and visionaries to return? No but at the end of the day why not?

Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?

Turbo literally shoved Nick and A.J. inside his chest cockpit (upside-down, even!) while in robot mode during the five-part pilot.

Randomhero wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com

Did anyone really ask for micronaughts and visionaries to return? No but at the end of the day why not?

Because Micronauts and Visionaries are a very different concept from Transformers. Gobots, on the other hand, was the hands-down direct competitor to Transformers which the latter brand defeated soundly. Just don't get the nostalgic value for Gobots as a stand alone concept separate from being sucked into the Transformers universe.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?

Turbo literally shoved Nick and A.J. inside his chest cockpit (upside-down, even!) while in robot mode during the five-part pilot.

Its been so long since I've seen it..all i remember is that the go-bots didn't have mass shifting

and I found this handy little chart, so I'm still confused on how this scene works ..

Bad Wolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?

Turbo literally shoved Nick and A.J. inside his chest cockpit (upside-down, even!) while in robot mode during the five-part pilot.

Its been so long since I've seen it..all i remember is that the go-bots didn't have mass shifting

and I found this handy little chart, so I'm still confused on how this scene works ..

Dunno if that chart's official or not, but if it is, that scale is way off from how much bigger than that they were in the show.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bad Wolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bad Wolf wrote:Art quality aside.. I don't remember Turbo ever being able to have a driver when in car mode, as being cyborgs they were not that much bigger than average humans.. when did go-bots get mass shifting abilities?

Turbo literally shoved Nick and A.J. inside his chest cockpit (upside-down, even!) while in robot mode during the five-part pilot.

Its been so long since I've seen it..all i remember is that the go-bots didn't have mass shifting

and I found this handy little chart, so I'm still confused on how this scene works ..

Dunno if that chart's official or not, but if it is, that scale is way off from much bigger than that they were in the show.

Now we know there is something off about their scaling .. Nick and AJ are giants

Bad Wolf wrote:Now we know there is something off about their scaling .. Nick and AJ are giants

Heh heh, all kidding aside, those are children in slave labor uniforms (In that episode, the Renegades had taken over a town by taking all of its children hostage to use as leverage for coercing the town's adult populace into slavery, building the Renegade superweapon Ultra Zod).

Z3ROhour wrote:WTFIUWTA!?



WHAT THE FRAGGLE IS UP WITH THE ART?!

Are they insane?
Are they kidding?
Is this really what they are going with?
Is it an experiment?
Are 5 year olds all that is left for artists?
Is the world ending?
Did the Rapture take all the artists, because artist are the chosen people of the big in the sky?
Am i still here?
Is this a joke?

the art... is... is BAD!
just terrible.

the cover with Leader-1 was... ok...
but

WTFIUWTA!?

There is a quality problem with many comic artists/writers, but you now get labeled a 'hater of women' or 'alt-right basement troll' by the fanboys of those artists/writers if you dare to point that out, or even suggest it.

Maybe they'll work up to a more modern or better style as the series goes on?

ZeroWolf wrote:It's basically recreating the art style of the early days, and was used to great effect in the Transformers vs GI Joe miniseries. It's not to some people's tastes but each to their own.

I initially wasn't keen on it [the art style], it's hard to follow, when I first read Transformers vs. GI Joe. Although I quickly got into it through it's unique angle of visual storytelling. It looks more subdued here in this mini regardless, which will help.
Besides it is infinitely superior to the vomiting skittles across the page we had in the Primacy Trilogy.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I initially wasn't keen on it [the art style], it's hard to follow, when I first read Transformers vs. GI Joe. Although I quickly got into it through it's unique angle of visual storytelling. It looks more subdued here in this mini regardless, which will help.
Besides it is infinitely superior to the vomiting skittles across the page we had in the Primacy Trilogy.

what?!
you dont dig chicken scratchings in heavy inks?

well, i say "good day" 2 u, sir.

Kyleor wrote:

Z3ROhour wrote:WTFIUWTA!?



WHAT THE FRAGGLE IS UP WITH THE ART?!

Are they insane?
Are they kidding?
Is this really what they are going with?
Is it an experiment?
Are 5 year olds all that is left for artists?
Is the world ending?
Did the Rapture take all the artists, because artist are the chosen people of the big in the sky?
Am i still here?
Is this a joke?

the art... is... is BAD!
just terrible.

the cover with Leader-1 was... ok...
but

WTFIUWTA!?

There is a quality problem with many comic artists/writers, but you now get labeled a 'hater of women' or 'alt-right basement troll' by the fanboys of those artists/writers if you dare to point that out, or even suggest it.

Maybe they'll work up to a more modern or better style as the series goes on?

Isn't it a matter of taste though? Each artist has their fans and detractors in equal measures.

Kyleor wrote:There is a quality problem with many comic artists/writers, but you now get labeled a 'hater of women' or 'alt-right basement troll' by the fanboys of those artists/writers if you dare to point that out, or even suggest it.

Well, if you only ***** about female artists and inclusive writing, you probably deserve what you get.

ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't it a matter of taste though? Each artist has their fans and detractors in equal measures.

I wouldn't say equal measures...

Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com

Oddly enough, I do technically get more nostalgic for Gobots than Transformers in general.

By which I mean, I don't get nostalgic for TF because it's the one thing I never gave up being a fan of, so it's never really been in the past for me. I get an occasional feeling of nostalgia for specific stretches of the franchise like the early '90s when I was collecting all the Marvel U.S. books I'd foolishly ignored, and the late '90s when Beast Wars was miraculously saving the whole TF franchise, because it gave me this feeling of hope against all odds when it seemed like I was the last fan who still cared, difficult to explain now to fans too young to remember when TF wasn't a permanent fixture of pop culture, and Hasbro could have just allowed it to drop dead at any moment. This feeling's at it's strongest when I make the mistake of talking to some geewunner my own age who apparently wishes the franchise had died during that era despite knowing nothing about it, because that makes me wish I still was the last Transformers fan.

Gobots, on the other hand, was strictly a mid-to-late '80s franchise that doesn't have much existence anymore. Sure, I recently bought that Bike-Robo with the extra CyKill-esque faces, but since those MP-quality toys are Machine-Robo, any of us who enjoy them as GoBots are technically just repurposing them, right? And that can only be nostalgia because of the legal roadblocks keeping it from its former glory.

To our fandom, Gobots has been first and foremost the butt of jokes about it being the lame wannabe competition to Transformers. And frankly, the stupid, stupid names of so many of its characters, and the entire franchise, were genuinely asking for it. But considering it nothing but lame non-Transformers is really just an archaic holdover from a time when they were on equal footing as direct competition for TF. And it wasn't just Gobots: perhaps even most fans old enough to remember the dawn of TF have forgotten, but those were just two of dozens of toy robot lines competing for space in every toy section, adding to what made the mid '80s the golden age of toys by virtue of the sheer number of franchises in the game, whether or not they had corresponding cartoons to tell their story. Most of these had no mythos beyond a little text on the back of their packaging, but nearly all had that air of mysterious origins across the Pacific that imbued them with alien-ness, something Transformers balanced perfectly with the relatability of its characters. Of course, we knew TF was easily the best, and deserved to win any competition, so most of us just dismissed them. Gobots alone posed too serious competition to just dismiss, so we s#at all over it instead. I was no exception, but sometime in the last few decades, I realized that in doing so, I'd failed to fully appreciated those toylines for what they were; I'd forgotten how much I loved that childhood forest for love of just my favorite tree.

THAT's what I get nostalgic for. And Gobots is my most reliable link to that era.

So no, Gobots should absolutely NOT be completely assimilated into TF, and Gobotron should not be just another version of Cybertron somewhere in the multiverse. This new comic, however, doesn't look or sound that interesting. Sure, it'll get people talking about Gobots in the present tense again, but I foresee yet another restart becoming necessary not too long afterward.

And when that happens, can't we have one damn TF universe where the Gobots, Zybots, Convertors, Robotrons, Bug Bots, Parasites etc. also exist, but on different planets with no direct evidence of being created by Primus or the Quintessons? Both Sunbow and Marvel's post-Movie eras showed that Transformers were just one of many disparate races of sentient robots, all alien to each other, so it's hardly unprecedented, but not really explored at all. The mission of that universe's Lost Light could be to investigate whether there is some forgotten connection to TF: Flip-Trons, Four Star, and other lines that had literal KOs of Diaclone molds would surely turn out to have some actual heritage, like botched Quint experiments using computers other than Vector Sigma, while others would turn out to have no connection at all. Since most of those franchises are dead and forgotten, would anyone sue or demand that much in royalties?

Or maybe that just makes sense to me because I didn't understand which cartoons shared continuity when I was 5. I always thought Dr. Archeville was just Dr. Braxis disguising himself so he could sneak into the superior giant robot cartoon, just like Cobra Commander donned that trenchcoat and fedora to sneak into Season 3 as Old Snake. Add in what I assumed were the Rock Lords showing up on He-Man and She-Ra, and all the action cartoons I grew up on are forever tangled up in my mind. That's the book I want to see. I'm so far behind on IDW that I won't get to Revolution for a while, but no matter how bad it sucked (seriously, was any of it as bad as the Jem movie?), I don't ever want Hasbro to give up on making that idea work. And Gobots should always be a part of that whole, distinct from Transformers.

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I don't even understand why Gobots is getting a comic. Can they just officially assimilate Gobots into Transformers once and for all and call it a day at long last? Is anyone truly nostalgic about Gobots over Transformers? If they are, I might have to rethink what I want to do with https://www.gobotron.com and https://www.machinerobo.com

Oddly enough, I do technically get more nostalgic for Gobots than Transformers in general.

By which I mean, I don't get nostalgic for TF because it's the one thing I never gave up being a fan of, so it's never really been in the past for me. I get an occasional feeling of nostalgia for specific stretches of the franchise like the early '90s when I was collecting all the Marvel U.S. books I'd foolishly ignored, and the late '90s when Beast Wars was miraculously saving the whole TF franchise, because it gave me this feeling of hope against all odds when it seemed like I was the last fan who still cared, difficult to explain now to fans too young to remember when TF wasn't a permanent fixture of pop culture, and Hasbro could have just allowed it to drop dead at any moment. This feeling's at it's strongest when I make the mistake of talking to some geewunner my own age who apparently wishes the franchise had died during that era despite knowing nothing about it, because that makes me wish I still was the last Transformers fan.

Gobots, on the other hand, was strictly a mid-to-late '80s franchise that doesn't have much existence anymore. Sure, I recently bought that Bike-Robo with the extra CyKill-esque faces, but since those MP-quality toys are Machine-Robo, any of us who enjoy them as GoBots are technically just repurposing them, right? And that can only be nostalgia because of the legal roadblocks keeping it from its former glory.

To our fandom, Gobots has been first and foremost the butt of jokes about it being the lame wannabe competition to Transformers. And frankly, the stupid, stupid names of so many of its characters, and the entire franchise, were genuinely asking for it. But considering it nothing but lame non-Transformers is really just an archaic holdover from a time when they were on equal footing as direct competition for TF. And it wasn't just Gobots: perhaps even most fans old enough to remember the dawn of TF have forgotten, but those were just two of dozens of toy robot lines competing for space in every toy section, adding to what made the mid '80s the golden age of toys by virtue of the sheer number of franchises in the game, whether or not they had corresponding cartoons to tell their story. Most of these had no mythos beyond a little text on the back of their packaging, but nearly all had that air of mysterious origins across the Pacific that imbued them with alien-ness, something Transformers balanced perfectly with the relatability of its characters. Of course, we knew TF was easily the best, and deserved to win any competition, so most of us just dismissed them. Gobots alone posed too serious competition to just dismiss, so we s#at all over it instead. I was no exception, but sometime in the last few decades, I realized that in doing so, I'd failed to fully appreciated those toylines for what they were; I'd forgotten how much I loved that childhood forest for love of just my favorite tree.

THAT's what I get nostalgic for. And Gobots is my most reliable link to that era.

So no, Gobots should absolutely NOT be completely assimilated into TF, and Gobotron should not be just another version of Cybertron somewhere in the multiverse. This new comic, however, doesn't look or sound that interesting. Sure, it'll get people talking about Gobots in the present tense again, but I foresee yet another restart becoming necessary not too long afterward.

And when that happens, can't we have one damn TF universe where the Gobots, Zybots, Convertors, Robotrons, Bug Bots, Parasites etc. also exist, but on different planets with no direct evidence of being created by Primus or the Quintessons? Both Sunbow and Marvel's post-Movie eras showed that Transformers were just one of many disparate races of sentient robots, all alien to each other, so it's hardly unprecedented, but not really explored at all. The mission of that universe's Lost Light could be to investigate whether there is some forgotten connection to TF: Flip-Trons, Four Star, and other lines that had literal KOs of Diaclone molds would surely turn out to have some actual heritage, like botched Quint experiments using computers other than Vector Sigma, while others would turn out to have no connection at all. Since most of those franchises are dead and forgotten, would anyone sue or demand that much in royalties?

Or maybe that just makes sense to me because I didn't understand which cartoons shared continuity when I was 5. I always thought Dr. Archeville was just Dr. Braxis disguising himself so he could sneak into the superior giant robot cartoon, just like Cobra Commander donned that trenchcoat and fedora to sneak into Season 3 as Old Snake. Add in what I assumed were the Rock Lords showing up on He-Man and She-Ra, and all the action cartoons I grew up on are forever tangled up in my mind. That's the book I want to see. I'm so far behind on IDW that I won't get to Revolution for a while, but no matter how bad it sucked (seriously, was any of it as bad as the Jem movie?), I don't ever want Hasbro to give up on making that idea work. And Gobots should always be a part of that whole, distinct from Transformers.

too each, their own.
(yuck!)