IDW The Transformers #52 Review
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More Like Optimus Prick
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Synopsis
ALL HAIL OPTIMUS part 3! OPTIMUS PRIME has declared the Earth to be his territory… but even he can’t go it alone. Now he reaches out across the galaxy to form a coalition—of old friends and older enemies.
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Story
We continue the ride of All Hail Optimus, in the third chapter of this fairly long arc, as positions and setting start shifting around, after the immediate fall out - in last month's issue - of the annexation of unwilling Earth to the Council of Worlds. And that means Starscream gets to do some things too, and he does them with words.
And others listen
What is particularly pleasing in the issue, is how John Barber uses the actions of Starscream - from whom we've come to expect manipulative behaviour - to comment upon those of Optimus himself, as he just sort of casually wanders over to other potential allies and audiences. Being all complex-y and stuff.
*tiny violins playing*
There is another fairly intense narrative strand running alongside Optimus' manipulations - one that we might expect from the main cover, and that sees once precarious collaborators Arcee and Galvatron ..er, airing some concerns with each other. Think of it as a very heated (heh) conversation, with some more excellent writing for the former.
Well done, Barber
The scene above is also the main source of action for the book, so enjoy it if that is your dish. For the more politics and sleight of hand and tongue inclined readers, this is a full course meal, with weaving, waving, twining and a bit of a kick to the side - and some intriguing seeding happening in between.
Art
Art duties are brought back to Livio Ramondelli, after a long break, and I have to admit I had some difficulties this time round. The linework is what we have come to expect, and I am aware some readers are not fans. We do get some interesting cinematic layouts though, and clarity in more dynamic sequences - never a bad thing.
And Buster!
Where I had some issues was in the colouring, which, while lightening the usually fairly heavy look of Ramondelli's pages, has somewhat reduced my enjoyment of the art overall. This is not the case across the board, though, as there are some scenes that still work really quite well even in the lighter hues - but something struck me as different from the usual.
Mustafar?
While there is little of prominent display for the lettering of Tom B. Long, sometimes that is just the mark of skill you need as a reminder of the craft. The covers, on the other hand, do something flashier, with Andrew Griffith and Josh Burcham covering Galvatron vs Arcee, Burcham all alone playing around with Age of Extinction and Skylynx, Casey Coller and Joana Lafuente homaging 'The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living' for Art History month, and the thumbnailed Phase6 exclusive sees a collaboration between Griffith and Naoto Tsushima, with Josh Perez on colours, as a tribute to Drift.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
If the visual side of things had me distancing myself, on first read, from appreciating the story as such, but going back to it there are some really good advancements from both a contextual and world-building perspective, and for the narrative at hand itself, too. The political intrigue of early RID is back once again, though a lot more is clearly at stake at this point in the game.
That's just... Primes
In fact, think less Game of Thrones and more House of Cards, in how the various parts move around on the table, with some of the best Starscream and Arcee around (you know what I mean) and, I reluctantly say this, given his character, even some of the best Optimus writing for a while. To me, he never held any appeal as a leader - now, this new layer of whatever is going on with him? Yes, I want to see how far he'll go.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782908)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 10:26am CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 10:26am CDT
I enjoyed this issue. I loved the story: I hated the art but the story was really good. Not really sure how to take Optimus being the 13th. I know that's how the aligned did it but that was a continuity where God is real and everyone knows it. That's not how IDW works especially since the thirteen in IDW are just leaders of tribes and not children of God. I guess maybe his spark was removed and put back in the ground? That sounds rediculous but we know Optimus is a forged point one percentor
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782911)
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 10:34am CDT
I think that is what they're suggesting, but not necessarily what will happen. The interpretations of the Primes, Knights, gods and what have you seem to differ across the series, mostly due to the fact that believers and non-believers are telling those stories at different moments.
So, on the one hand, the Mistress believes the 13 to be deities. On the other, OP himself does not - but he seems to be pulling a Starscream here, and has been for a while.
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 10:34am CDT
Randomhero wrote:I enjoyed this issue. I loved the story: I hated the art but the story was really good. Not really sure how to take Optimus being the 13th. I know that's how the aligned did it but that was a continuity where God is real and everyone knows it. That's not how IDW works especially since the thirteen in IDW are just leaders of tribes and not children of God. I guess maybe his spark was removed and put back in the ground? That sounds rediculous but we know Optimus is a forged point one percentor
I think that is what they're suggesting, but not necessarily what will happen. The interpretations of the Primes, Knights, gods and what have you seem to differ across the series, mostly due to the fact that believers and non-believers are telling those stories at different moments.
So, on the one hand, the Mistress believes the 13 to be deities. On the other, OP himself does not - but he seems to be pulling a Starscream here, and has been for a while.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782944)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:03pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:03pm CDT
There are 2 things that I am looking at and I'm still not very sure about.
1) The Arisen. The Mistress claims it to be Optimus, but as the Solicitations from today are anything to go on, Sentinel is going to show up and potentially cast doubts on that. Also, as was already said, the 13 have been shown to be leaders, not mystical, and Prime knows they aren't mystical. And I don't see how Optimus could be one of the 13, so I very much doubt that he is. Watch, it will actually be Sentinel who is the arisen.
2) Prime's personality. He has really gone off in a different direction since Dark Cybertron. Yes, his original mission was just to get Alpha Trion back, but then the enigma showed up, leading him to want to learn more and then being influenced by it, and now he wants the planet to be part of Cybertron. And they are leading up to a big thing where Prowl's personality is poisoning Prime, and Prowl will make a return to the series. This is definitely a Prime that has some semblence of the former self, but now how some Prowl, it is kinda frightening how Prowl like he can be "No Cosmos, I want him to bow to ME". Yikes.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Earth is a colony, and in all actuality there is a second Fortress Maximus residing within the planet that is going to rise along with Sentinel
1) The Arisen. The Mistress claims it to be Optimus, but as the Solicitations from today are anything to go on, Sentinel is going to show up and potentially cast doubts on that. Also, as was already said, the 13 have been shown to be leaders, not mystical, and Prime knows they aren't mystical. And I don't see how Optimus could be one of the 13, so I very much doubt that he is. Watch, it will actually be Sentinel who is the arisen.
2) Prime's personality. He has really gone off in a different direction since Dark Cybertron. Yes, his original mission was just to get Alpha Trion back, but then the enigma showed up, leading him to want to learn more and then being influenced by it, and now he wants the planet to be part of Cybertron. And they are leading up to a big thing where Prowl's personality is poisoning Prime, and Prowl will make a return to the series. This is definitely a Prime that has some semblence of the former self, but now how some Prowl, it is kinda frightening how Prowl like he can be "No Cosmos, I want him to bow to ME". Yikes.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Earth is a colony, and in all actuality there is a second Fortress Maximus residing within the planet that is going to rise along with Sentinel
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782947)
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:09pm CDT
Now that is an interesting development you pointed out.
That line was chilling, and yes, a good indication of what he is becoming/has become. I liked your summary of his arc.
Yeah, Earth as a colony makes perfect sense. For a number of reasons.
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:09pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Watch, it will actually be Sentinel who is the arisen.
Now that is an interesting development you pointed out.
2) "No Cosmos, I want him to bow to ME". Yikes.
That line was chilling, and yes, a good indication of what he is becoming/has become. I liked your summary of his arc.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Earth is a colony, and in all actuality there is a second Fortress Maximus residing within the planet that is going to rise along with Sentinel
Yeah, Earth as a colony makes perfect sense. For a number of reasons.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782960)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:25pm CDT
I've been thinking the sentinel part since the TR comic cover was teased with him, especially since that was right around the whole "arisen Prime" part.
Thank you for the compliment. To me, that line is the quote of the story, an the quote of Prime's personality since Combiner Wars. And it is chilling and is very heavy, and makes me wonder what is to come, and with issue 56 of both ongoings now going into Titans return, it makes me wonder what the titan-master storyline will be prime, maybe even helping him recover parts of his own personality and removing parts of Prowl that invaded him
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:25pm CDT
Dr Va'al wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Watch, it will actually be Sentinel who is the arisen.
Now that is an interesting development you pointed out.2) "No Cosmos, I want him to bow to ME". Yikes.
That line was chilling, and yes, a good indication of what he is becoming/has become. I liked your summary of his arc.
I've been thinking the sentinel part since the TR comic cover was teased with him, especially since that was right around the whole "arisen Prime" part.
Thank you for the compliment. To me, that line is the quote of the story, an the quote of Prime's personality since Combiner Wars. And it is chilling and is very heavy, and makes me wonder what is to come, and with issue 56 of both ongoings now going into Titans return, it makes me wonder what the titan-master storyline will be prime, maybe even helping him recover parts of his own personality and removing parts of Prowl that invaded him
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782961)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:25pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:25pm CDT
I don't think there's a second fortress Maximus. Just a Titan. Remember that Titans return will not have a pack in comic so this time around IDW won't be restricted to include certain toys in their stories. This will just be their version of Titans return. That's what I'm taking from it.
Everyone knows that I've been saying it forever now. If there's an ore than there's a Titan and if there's a Titan there's a ore.
Earth has a Titan, and ore 13 we know that. Golaram Prime had both a Titan and ore. Caminus, velocitron and the beast planet all have Titans and stated they have energon so I think we can imagine the very energon they've being using were Ores by shockwave. They just never took on unique side effects like the others which shockwave had no interest then.
If my theory is right than the planet Kup was stranded on, LV-117, and arduria and that planet from heart of darkness galaatron visited and battled nova prime on have or had Titans on them. they're hotspots may have never ignited or they died out. And there was nickels colony that we now know is gone and destroyed.
Everyone knows that I've been saying it forever now. If there's an ore than there's a Titan and if there's a Titan there's a ore.
Earth has a Titan, and ore 13 we know that. Golaram Prime had both a Titan and ore. Caminus, velocitron and the beast planet all have Titans and stated they have energon so I think we can imagine the very energon they've being using were Ores by shockwave. They just never took on unique side effects like the others which shockwave had no interest then.
If my theory is right than the planet Kup was stranded on, LV-117, and arduria and that planet from heart of darkness galaatron visited and battled nova prime on have or had Titans on them. they're hotspots may have never ignited or they died out. And there was nickels colony that we now know is gone and destroyed.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782963)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:29pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:29pm CDT
But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782972)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:46pm CDT
They kinda did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient cybertron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:46pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They kinda did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient cybertron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782976)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:48pm CDT
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:48pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782986)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:55pm CDT
Except we know that colonies were chosen because they the planets that the Prime's chose to go. Or the other way around. Technically cyclonus, nova dai atlas and Galvatron all existed during the era of the 13 and according to the annual for RID Metrotitans left way before their time so it's possible the 13 chose planets that Titans were already on. Confused? I sure as hell am as I write this. QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS! That should be the new subtitle after the removed RID from johns book!
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:55pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
Except we know that colonies were chosen because they the planets that the Prime's chose to go. Or the other way around. Technically cyclonus, nova dai atlas and Galvatron all existed during the era of the 13 and according to the annual for RID Metrotitans left way before their time so it's possible the 13 chose planets that Titans were already on. Confused? I sure as hell am as I write this. QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS! That should be the new subtitle after the removed RID from johns book!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782988)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:58pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:58pm CDT
I'm really starting to wonder if Shockwave is coming back. Technically he didn't die. Bumblebee did and we know that shockwave bumblebee and crystal city still exist in that singularity so maybe he'll be back.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782990)
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:59pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 12:59pm CDT
But that is precisely why I like this book: world-building, slowly but steadily. 
(And frustratingly, sometimes.)
(And frustratingly, sometimes.)
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782992)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:01pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:01pm CDT
It's building and yes completely frustrating but not in a bad annoying way. I want answers but I'm having a hell of a time!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782993)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:02pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:02pm CDT
Yep, I'm slightly confused too. John is making this increasingly difficult to keep a good grip on, which is good cause it makes peoples brains hurt figuring this scrap out. 
I wouldn't rule out Shockwave and Bee coming back. Bee has kept up regular appearances thanks to Starscream talking to his ghost, and Wave is a big character who now has lots of information that many other characters never saw.
I'm also still pretty sure the titans and the primes were on different planets and the ores paired up with the primes and the titans were separate. The titans just each were loyal to and embodied something from the prime they were paired with.
I wouldn't rule out Shockwave and Bee coming back. Bee has kept up regular appearances thanks to Starscream talking to his ghost, and Wave is a big character who now has lots of information that many other characters never saw.
I'm also still pretty sure the titans and the primes were on different planets and the ores paired up with the primes and the titans were separate. The titans just each were loyal to and embodied something from the prime they were paired with.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1782997)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:12pm CDT
I think it's the same. Why would a Titan not colonize the planet of the prime they were connected to? We know caminus worshipped Solus Prime. Windblade even says they all believe that they were all born with a part of her in them. Same with Eurakis. The beast formers there all worship Onyx Prime and the Titan there knew him.
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:12pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Yep, I'm slightly confused too. John is making this increasingly difficult to keep a good grip on, which is good cause it makes peoples brains hurt figuring this scrap out.
I wouldn't rule out Shockwave and Bee coming back. Bee has kept up regular appearances thanks to Starscream talking to his ghost, and Wave is a big character who now has lots of information that many other characters never saw.
I'm also still pretty sure the titans and the primes were on different planets and the ores paired up with the primes and the titans were separate. The titans just each were loyal to and embodied something from the prime they were paired with.
I think it's the same. Why would a Titan not colonize the planet of the prime they were connected to? We know caminus worshipped Solus Prime. Windblade even says they all believe that they were all born with a part of her in them. Same with Eurakis. The beast formers there all worship Onyx Prime and the Titan there knew him.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783001)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:20pm CDT
But worship and live on the same planet are very different. there were also more than just those 13 titans as well, so the ones you had mentioned earlier may be other titans, not one of the colony ones. And each titan was basically a "student" of a prime, so that is why such titans are tied to a prime. The Prime actually did not leave with his titan to colonize, as it is implied that the titans left before the primes did.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:20pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Yep, I'm slightly confused too. John is making this increasingly difficult to keep a good grip on, which is good cause it makes peoples brains hurt figuring this scrap out.
I wouldn't rule out Shockwave and Bee coming back. Bee has kept up regular appearances thanks to Starscream talking to his ghost, and Wave is a big character who now has lots of information that many other characters never saw.
I'm also still pretty sure the titans and the primes were on different planets and the ores paired up with the primes and the titans were separate. The titans just each were loyal to and embodied something from the prime they were paired with.
I think it's the same. Why would a Titan not colonize the planet of the prime they were connected to? We know caminus worshipped Solus Prime. Windblade even says they all believe that they were all born with a part of her in them. Same with Eurakis. The beast formers there all worship Onyx Prime and the Titan there knew him.
But worship and live on the same planet are very different. there were also more than just those 13 titans as well, so the ones you had mentioned earlier may be other titans, not one of the colony ones. And each titan was basically a "student" of a prime, so that is why such titans are tied to a prime. The Prime actually did not leave with his titan to colonize, as it is implied that the titans left before the primes did.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783011)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:48pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:48pm CDT
Well just have to wait and see. I do however think mistress flame is wrong. I think Optimus might be Megatronus. We don't know anything about him other than he betrayed Solus. The fallen isn't defaulted evil anymore. The covenant revealed he was more tragic than anything. Maybe Optimus is "the Arisen"(so lame) but maybe it's a twist and he's the fallen
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783012)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:50pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:50pm CDT
I agree the Mistress can be very wrong, but wow, Optimus the Fallen? Didn't think of that. But as you said, wait and see. Sometimes we have to wait an issue or 38 (Looking at you MTMTE message from the past).
It would be an interesting twist if Optimus was the Fallen. At least we know Megatron himself can't be one of them! (or do we)
It would be an interesting twist if Optimus was the Fallen. At least we know Megatron himself can't be one of them! (or do we)
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783013)
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:52pm CDT
There are 13 Colony Titans, and Shockwave fired 13 Regenesis Ore Missiles, but A3 remained on Cybertron. We're not going to get a perfect pattern.
Additionally, Carcer, seemingly ID'd by Metroplex as a Colony Titan, is spaceborne - no planet to have a Regenisis Ore. Maaaaybe we'll get a reveal that Carcer isn't really a Colony Titan on account of its history w/ Tempo, or some other explanation, but the current data doesn't match the Primes lining up perfectly with the Ores or Titans.
Did Shockwave make a mistake? Did Alpha Trion take an interplanetary vacation when the ores were fired? Mysteries abound.
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:52pm CDT
Alpha Trion throws a huge wrench into much of the 13/13/13 stuff.Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
Except we know that colonies were chosen because they the planets that the Prime's chose to go. Or the other way around. Technically cyclonus, nova dai atlas and Galvatron all existed during the era of the 13 and according to the annual for RID Metrotitans left way before their time so it's possible the 13 chose planets that Titans were already on. Confused? I sure as hell am as I write this. QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS! That should be the new subtitle after the removed RID from johns book!
There are 13 Colony Titans, and Shockwave fired 13 Regenesis Ore Missiles, but A3 remained on Cybertron. We're not going to get a perfect pattern.
Additionally, Carcer, seemingly ID'd by Metroplex as a Colony Titan, is spaceborne - no planet to have a Regenisis Ore. Maaaaybe we'll get a reveal that Carcer isn't really a Colony Titan on account of its history w/ Tempo, or some other explanation, but the current data doesn't match the Primes lining up perfectly with the Ores or Titans.
Did Shockwave make a mistake? Did Alpha Trion take an interplanetary vacation when the ores were fired? Mysteries abound.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783016)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:57pm CDT
Actually he did. Alpha Trion has left cybertron multiple times. He comes and goes as he pleases.
Not only does alpha Trion muck it up but we saw Nexus Prime get blown to $@&+ by Galvatron. So just by that technically only 10 Primes left Cyberton, maybe 9. Megatronus's betrayl may have been him killing Solus.
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:57pm CDT
RevTibe wrote:Alpha Trion throws a huge wrench into much of the 13/13/13 stuff.Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
Except we know that colonies were chosen because they the planets that the Prime's chose to go. Or the other way around. Technically cyclonus, nova dai atlas and Galvatron all existed during the era of the 13 and according to the annual for RID Metrotitans left way before their time so it's possible the 13 chose planets that Titans were already on. Confused? I sure as hell am as I write this. QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS! That should be the new subtitle after the removed RID from johns book!
There are 13 Colony Titans, and Shockwave fired 13 Regenesis Ore Missiles, but A3 remained on Cybertron. We're not going to get a perfect pattern.
Additionally, Carcer, seemingly ID'd by Metroplex as a Colony Titan, is spaceborne - no planet to have a Regenisis Ore. Maaaaybe we'll get a reveal that Carcer isn't really a Colony Titan on account of its history w/ Tempo, or some other explanation, but the current data doesn't match the Primes lining up perfectly with the Ores or Titans.
Did Shockwave make a mistake? Did Alpha Trion take an interplanetary vacation when the ores were fired? Mysteries abound.
Actually he did. Alpha Trion has left cybertron multiple times. He comes and goes as he pleases.
Not only does alpha Trion muck it up but we saw Nexus Prime get blown to $@&+ by Galvatron. So just by that technically only 10 Primes left Cyberton, maybe 9. Megatronus's betrayl may have been him killing Solus.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783017)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:58pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 1:58pm CDT
And don't you dare...DONT YOU DARE ACCUSE SHOCKWAVE OF MAKING MISTAKES! Shockwave is logic! SHOCKWAVE IS ALL!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783020)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:02pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:02pm CDT
It was noted that Nexus' enigma represented him and is the reason for an ore on Earth, so the enigma "fixes" that whole thing with Nexus, but yes, Alpha makes a mess of things, let alone the stories of the other primes
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783024)
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:10pm CDT
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:10pm CDT
Memory's fuzzy, the quote about Shockwave matching the Ores to Primes was said by someone other than Shockwave, yes? Would make it an unreliable statement.
I thought the implication was that Earth was Nexus's "resting place" on account of Galvatron firing the Enigma there, so if Earth becomes a colony of the Arisen, then the planet's doubling down on Prime-ness.
Also, this is just a hunch, but I feel like the MTME footnote, Prion, might not be one of the proper 13 Colony Titans, but something more akin to the Circle of Light's Titan.
I thought the implication was that Earth was Nexus's "resting place" on account of Galvatron firing the Enigma there, so if Earth becomes a colony of the Arisen, then the planet's doubling down on Prime-ness.
Also, this is just a hunch, but I feel like the MTME footnote, Prion, might not be one of the proper 13 Colony Titans, but something more akin to the Circle of Light's Titan.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783026)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:11pm CDT
Well we're not sure about that. The enigma was there because of Galvatron. It may have landed there because of ten titan it honed it on the closest thing that was Cybertonian. Again we need more answers not questions lol
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:11pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:It was noted that Nexus' enigma represented him and is the reason for an ore on Earth, so the enigma "fixes" that whole thing with Nexus, but yes, Alpha makes a mess of things, let alone the stories of the other primes
Well we're not sure about that. The enigma was there because of Galvatron. It may have landed there because of ten titan it honed it on the closest thing that was Cybertonian. Again we need more answers not questions lol
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783028)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:12pm CDT
It was alpha Trion. He's a pretty reliable source when he's not being a weird jack sparrow like troll to ironhide.
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:12pm CDT
RevTibe wrote:Memory's fuzzy, the quote about Shockwave matching the Ores to Primes was said by someone other than Shockwave, yes? Would make it an unreliable statement.
I thought the implication was that Earth was Nexus's "resting place" on account of Galvatron firing the Enigma there, so if Earth becomes a colony of the Arisen, then the planet's doubling down on Prime-ness.
Also, this is just a hunch, but I feel like the MTME footnote, Prion, might not be one of the proper 13 Colony Titans, but something more akin to the Circle of Light's Titan.
It was alpha Trion. He's a pretty reliable source when he's not being a weird jack sparrow like troll to ironhide.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783031)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:15pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:15pm CDT
I'm also still waiting for Sideswipe to stand back up. I miss my guy.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783034)
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:18pm CDT
(Come ON, 'Like' button.)
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:18pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:RevTibe wrote:Memory's fuzzy, the quote about Shockwave matching the Ores to Primes was said by someone other than Shockwave, yes? Would make it an unreliable statement.
I thought the implication was that Earth was Nexus's "resting place" on account of Galvatron firing the Enigma there, so if Earth becomes a colony of the Arisen, then the planet's doubling down on Prime-ness.
Also, this is just a hunch, but I feel like the MTME footnote, Prion, might not be one of the proper 13 Colony Titans, but something more akin to the Circle of Light's Titan.
It was alpha Trion. He's a pretty reliable source when he's not being a weird jack sparrow like troll to ironhide.
(Come ON, 'Like' button.)
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783036)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:20pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:20pm CDT
I'm still waiting for Wheelie and Garnak go show back up. I just realized last week that prime has his Skyroller back and last we knew wheelie and Garnak had in when prime and crew dived into the dead universe so where are they?!?!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783037)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:23pm CDT
Another good question that I didn't think about. But with TR coming, I think wheelie can be counted back in shortly.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:23pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:I'm still waiting for Wheelie and Garnak go show back up. I just realized last week that prime has his Skyroller back and last we knew wheelie and Garnak had in when prime and crew dived into the dead universe so where are they?!?!
Another good question that I didn't think about. But with TR coming, I think wheelie can be counted back in shortly.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783039)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:28pm CDT
What I want more than anything is TFCC subscription service Titans return wheelie with a stupid cape, poop-stained arm that can go in a Garnak pretender shell. MAKE THAT A THING!
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:28pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:I'm still waiting for Wheelie and Garnak to show back up. I just realized last week that prime has his Skyroller back and last we knew wheelie and Garnak had it when prime and crew dived into the dead universe so where are they?!?!
Another good question that I didn't think about. But with TR coming, I think wheelie can be counted back in shortly.
What I want more than anything is TFCC subscription service Titans return wheelie with a stupid cape, poop-stained arm that can go in a Garnak pretender shell. MAKE THAT A THING!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783042)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:36pm CDT
If I were in charge of the collectors club, that would certainly be a thing. This should be a thing. Why isn't this a thing?
who knows, maybe after combiners and headmasters, we'll get pretenders and color changers!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:36pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:I'm still waiting for Wheelie and Garnak to show back up. I just realized last week that prime has his Skyroller back and last we knew wheelie and Garnak had it when prime and crew dived into the dead universe so where are they?!?!
Another good question that I didn't think about. But with TR coming, I think wheelie can be counted back in shortly.
What I want more than anything is TFCC subscription service Titans return wheelie with a stupid cape, poop-stained arm that can go in a Garnak pretender shell. MAKE THAT A THING!
If I were in charge of the collectors club, that would certainly be a thing. This should be a thing. Why isn't this a thing?
who knows, maybe after combiners and headmasters, we'll get pretenders and color changers!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783049)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:52pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:52pm CDT
It does feel like pretenders will be next up. I don't mind gimmicks but I personally do like just generations just being modern figures. It kinda bums me out because that means the Takara legends black arachnia, night bird and slipstream won't happen because generations now has to tie into a gimmick. I own them all but I want them to be out for everyone
Sorry to get off topic
Sorry to get off topic
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783052)
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:57pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:57pm CDT
Drop that (excellent) Wheelie idea here!
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783056)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:59pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 2:59pm CDT
Copied and pasted! Thanks Doc! Lol
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783057)
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 3:00pm CDT
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 3:00pm CDT
I suppose Alpha Trion being a complete troll could answer plenty of questions. "By the way Optimus, I spent a few millennia at a separate Colony, sipping on one of Shocker's Regenisis Ores. It was pretty great, the Titan's a cool guy."
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783062)
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 3:12pm CDT
Exactly! He spent over 4 million years never mentioning he was a prime to anyone and we know he's bailed out of cybertron a few times
Posted by Randomhero on April 20th, 2016 @ 3:12pm CDT
RevTibe wrote:I suppose Alpha Trion being a complete troll could answer plenty of questions. "By the way Optimus, I spent a few millennia at a separate Colony, sipping on one of Shocker's Regenisis Ores. It was pretty great, the Titan's a cool guy."
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
Exactly! He spent over 4 million years never mentioning he was a prime to anyone and we know he's bailed out of cybertron a few times
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783098)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 5:57pm CDT
Worst part is is that this is completely true and plausible. This guy probably knows tricks and facts the we can't even imagine and is being a troll. This new TR toy? It is probably gonna be because he feels old and decides to triple change cause he mastered the ability to assume multiple modes! (that last part is kind of a joke)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 20th, 2016 @ 5:57pm CDT
RevTibe wrote:I suppose Alpha Trion being a complete troll could answer plenty of questions. "By the way Optimus, I spent a few millennia at a separate Colony, sipping on one of Shocker's Regenisis Ores. It was pretty great, the Titan's a cool guy."
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
Worst part is is that this is completely true and plausible. This guy probably knows tricks and facts the we can't even imagine and is being a troll. This new TR toy? It is probably gonna be because he feels old and decides to triple change cause he mastered the ability to assume multiple modes! (that last part is kind of a joke)
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783099)
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 6:01pm CDT
Still, a midlife crisis would fit into the current story better...
Posted by RevTibe on April 20th, 2016 @ 6:01pm CDT
It's funny you mention the toy - I was just thinking it could be "back in my daaaay" A3, when he was young tearaway with a fur jacketD-Maximus_Primal wrote:RevTibe wrote:I suppose Alpha Trion being a complete troll could answer plenty of questions. "By the way Optimus, I spent a few millennia at a separate Colony, sipping on one of Shocker's Regenisis Ores. It was pretty great, the Titan's a cool guy."
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
Worst part is is that this is completely true and plausible. This guy probably knows tricks and facts the we can't even imagine and is being a troll. This new TR toy? It is probably gonna be because he feels old and decides to triple change cause he mastered the ability to assume multiple modes! (that last part is kind of a joke)
Still, a midlife crisis would fit into the current story better...
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783196)
Posted by Va'al on April 21st, 2016 @ 4:36am CDT
And he's convinced Camiens to do this job, Galvatron to fight his own siblings, supervised the newly minted Optimus Prime, in some future he just hangs out with Ironhide, being as chummy as he was condescending during the Ironhide mini, and he cosplays as the Bat Tumbler.
Posted by Va'al on April 21st, 2016 @ 4:36am CDT
Randomhero wrote:RevTibe wrote:I suppose Alpha Trion being a complete troll could answer plenty of questions. "By the way Optimus, I spent a few millennia at a separate Colony, sipping on one of Shocker's Regenisis Ores. It was pretty great, the Titan's a cool guy."
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
Exactly! He spent over 4 million years never mentioning he was a prime to anyone and we know he's bailed out of cybertron a few times
And he's convinced Camiens to do this job, Galvatron to fight his own siblings, supervised the newly minted Optimus Prime, in some future he just hangs out with Ironhide, being as chummy as he was condescending during the Ironhide mini, and he cosplays as the Bat Tumbler.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783202)
Posted by Ironhidensh on April 21st, 2016 @ 6:29am CDT
Trion is Dumbledore.....
Posted by Ironhidensh on April 21st, 2016 @ 6:29am CDT
RevTibe wrote:I suppose Alpha Trion being a complete troll could answer plenty of questions. "By the way Optimus, I spent a few millennia at a separate Colony, sipping on one of Shocker's Regenisis Ores. It was pretty great, the Titan's a cool guy."
"...why did you never mention this to me?"
"Why, you never asked, of course!"
Trion is Dumbledore.....
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783511)
Posted by Prowl4 on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:17am CDT
Posted by Prowl4 on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:17am CDT
I'm just wondering why the fembots are so over powered and don't ever get injured or killed.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783518)
Posted by RevTibe on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:38am CDT
Posted by RevTibe on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:38am CDT
I'm just wondering if you actually read these comics;Prowl4 wrote:I'm just wondering why the fembots are so over powered and don't ever get injured or killed.
Prowl4 wrote:don't ever get injured
Prowl4 wrote:don't ever get injured
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783521)
Posted by Prowl4 on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:42am CDT
Serious injuries like comas etc. Any fembots die you seem to have left that part out aside froma few little dents and scratches.
Posted by Prowl4 on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:42am CDT
RevTibe wrote:I'm just wondering if you actually read these comics;Prowl4 wrote:I'm just wondering why the fembots are so over powered and don't ever get injured or killed.Prowl4 wrote:don't ever get injuredProwl4 wrote:don't ever get injured
Serious injuries like comas etc. Any fembots die you seem to have left that part out aside froma few little dents and scratches.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783530)
Posted by Va'al on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:57am CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 22nd, 2016 @ 11:57am CDT
Let's not let a third thread devolve into the same discussion, please.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1783885)
Posted by partholon on April 24th, 2016 @ 9:50am CDT
Posted by partholon on April 24th, 2016 @ 9:50am CDT
ive no prob with the changes in primes personality this arc as its obvious to anyone with eyes combining into optimus maximus has changed him.
yeah we all think immediatly of prowl but look at the OTHER lads. ironhides a good sort but stuborn as feck, sunstreakers a narcarsistic sociopath, and mirage's a snob.
thats ALOT of ego to deal with being blended into your mind.
interestingly i think this has effected the others too. sunstreaker seems WAAAAAAY too conscerned for sideswipe IMO. especially considering how theyve acted around each other up to now in the IDWverse. he'd be conscerned of course but "OMG my BRO!" no thats not him. so there might be a bit of prime effecting the other lads in the group too.
the gas thing is IMO this all ties into what galvatron was up to arcs back when he polished off the last ancient headmasters- and indeed his intense distate of combining and the enigma in the first place.
i though he was just being a bigot, but it looks iike he had a point. combination seems to attack the "soul/mind" of the combinee. diluting your very being if you will. not a million miles away from neurosurgery if ya think about it.
gotta give barber props for that if its what he intended.
right now though the thing with starscream is getting to me. he keeps going on about how he's the soverign of cybertron but TBH i cant see anyone who objects to him just fecking off and starting their own community elsewhere on the planet as right now he's more "ruler of iacon"
TBH at this stage i just wish someone would go dig up trypticon, convert his corpes to city mode, and go live there flipping screamer the bird.
yeah we all think immediatly of prowl but look at the OTHER lads. ironhides a good sort but stuborn as feck, sunstreakers a narcarsistic sociopath, and mirage's a snob.
thats ALOT of ego to deal with being blended into your mind.
interestingly i think this has effected the others too. sunstreaker seems WAAAAAAY too conscerned for sideswipe IMO. especially considering how theyve acted around each other up to now in the IDWverse. he'd be conscerned of course but "OMG my BRO!" no thats not him. so there might be a bit of prime effecting the other lads in the group too.
the gas thing is IMO this all ties into what galvatron was up to arcs back when he polished off the last ancient headmasters- and indeed his intense distate of combining and the enigma in the first place.
i though he was just being a bigot, but it looks iike he had a point. combination seems to attack the "soul/mind" of the combinee. diluting your very being if you will. not a million miles away from neurosurgery if ya think about it.
gotta give barber props for that if its what he intended.
right now though the thing with starscream is getting to me. he keeps going on about how he's the soverign of cybertron but TBH i cant see anyone who objects to him just fecking off and starting their own community elsewhere on the planet as right now he's more "ruler of iacon"
TBH at this stage i just wish someone would go dig up trypticon, convert his corpes to city mode, and go live there flipping screamer the bird.
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1788551)
Posted by optimusprime24 on May 10th, 2016 @ 9:44pm CDT
Posted by optimusprime24 on May 10th, 2016 @ 9:44pm CDT
Does anyone know what retailer the Phase 6 cover is exclusive to?
Thanks,
Lewis
Thanks,
Lewis
Re: IDW The Transformers #52 Review (1788893)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 12th, 2016 @ 7:26am CDT
Cannot say I do. I just looked it up real quick and didn't find anything.
Hopefully someone else has better news for you! And welcome!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 12th, 2016 @ 7:26am CDT
optimusprime24 wrote:Does anyone know what retailer the Phase 6 cover is exclusive to?
Thanks,
Lewis
Cannot say I do. I just looked it up real quick and didn't find anything.
Hopefully someone else has better news for you! And welcome!
