IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review
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Synopsis
THE DYING OF THE LIGHT—PART 1! Since joining the Lost Light, MEGATRON has rejected everything that once made him the most feared and hated Cybertronian of all time. But penitence has a price, and before the ex-Decepticon can find true redemption he must first confront his darkest legacy—the Decepticon Justice Division.
Leeeegacy
Story
I said this already in the counterpart review to this one, for The Transformers #50, how impressively impressive it actually is to see both the ongoings to have reached such an impressive milestone. Two very different titles, with MTMTE being the space opera-turned-sitcom-turned-horror-turned-sadgayrobots - and all, ultimately and listed in order in the Previously section, building up to this point. Right here. Now.
Sneaking up to it
James Roberts has been seeding the presence of the DJD and Tarn's discontent with Megatron's change of heart for a while now, if not since their very first introduction. We have also had a number of other plotlines weaving in and out of the main arc, and they all appear to feature, in one way or another, in here. Seeds seeded aplenty, and the DJD is not the only discontent to show up in the wider MTMTEverse.
Cameos abound
If it looks like I'm stalling here, it's because I am, a little. There isn't much I can really say about the book without ruining at least a number of reading experiences for someone, so I'm keeping comments to the comments - that said, what was to be expected does happen, but not as soon as one might initially think. Roberts fuels a slow fire. A slow, painful fire.
With some funny bits, of course
The weaving is one the key features here, and how the characters have interacted with each other up to this point, and how they will clash, merge, unite or fight when the pressure is applied - as it does in issue #50: positions are taken, roles are assigned, dynamics shift dramatically, and it does so in a turbulent and terrifying fashion, before inevitability and acceptance set in. For some.
Art
The art duties on the bulk of the story are by regular co-cospirator Alex Milne, with an assist from Brian Shearer on inks. And if ever we had emotion shown under faceplates and optic visors, this is even more the case. The multiple colourist team, of course, helps to bring Milne's vision to vibrant life, even in the darkness of the latter stages of the story - Joana Lafuente, Priscilla Tramontano, John-Paul Bove did some stellarly blending and combined work on those pages, with some particularly amazing splash pages.
Plus this.. er.. guy
The tail-end story 'No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases' addition sees some sparkwrenching work from other regular artist Brendan Cahill, delving into some backgrounds of characters we have and haven't seen in a long time in the series, and showing yet more emotion where a small breather was needed. All topped by some warmly executed colouring by Joana Lafuente.
..more like guidelines
Where the humour and visual cues of the lighter side really show up is, once again, through the font magic of Tom B. Long's lettering work. Scenes like the below, the excellent title page, the various captions, the highlights he brings to the overall work with the small space he's given - it's always a stunning effect.
Visual game is strong
With an issue this big, and as important as it, the various number of covers is to be expected, and anticipated. The main cover by Alex Milne and Joana Lafuente sets the tone for the entire story, and upcoming arc, while James Biggie, Mike Choi, and even Casey Coller and Hayato Sakamoto, with Yamaishi on colours, take on the catalyst of the story: Megatron. We also finally get the final piece in the six-parter by Milne and Perez, and a variant (thumbnailed) by Nick Roche and Josh Burcham showcasing the main cast of the issue.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
The split in stories, in paths, in narrative arcs seems to be working on a number of levels - from the temporal rest and background build-up of the later part to the building cliffhanger of the first, via the multiple seedings of current and potentially future storylines, and reconnecting of the publication with its earlier and preceding iterations. It works, but it will work much better in the longer run. Roberts is also able to stop the humour, welcome throughout where used, before the more serious part, avoiding some emotional whiplash that would really have jarred otherwise.
Ruh-roh
The entirety of the issue, in all its aspects and angles, is to be lauded. The editorial and creative teams have brought so much of their game, that some minor glitches were to be expected - and yet did not occur at any stage. Visually, this is a great book to look at, with some creative layouts and structure, which perhaps loses itself in the format of the single issue and the ambition of the writing. It's very, very good though. Very.
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½ out of
½ out of Credit(s): Dr Va'al, IDW
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772410)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 5:10pm CST
Oo Va'al said very 3 times... he was impressed!
Yeah a lot of other places have delved into the religious aspect, but I don't recall much on it in IDW in general... until recently there wasn't a lot of religion for them.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 5:10pm CST
Dr Va'al wrote:It's very, very good though. Very.
Oo Va'al said very 3 times... he was impressed!
ZeroWolf wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I could see megs lead a rebellion against starscream's control of cybertron...
However I still hope Roberts doesn't go that route, it's so predictable making him evil again, just keep him morally grey with no intention of picking up arms against the autobots. Since they've started introducing beast wars characters they could always bring in another Megatronor Megaplex if they wanted a clone.
It doesn't have to be against Starscream... rather the Autobots as an ideal- what they stand for.
Optimus doesn't agree with Starscream being leader, but respects that he was elected Optimus (I'm sure in spite of Starscream's wishex) is still seem as a leader, especially to the fanatical Camiens. Besides, Optimus's annexation of Earth came as a surprise to everyone, including Starscream. So it's not Staracream's government that would be target-likely. If it were up to me, I would guess that when Megs finds out what Optimus did, it won't be well received.
Though I can't say that I disagree with your morally grey comment. I do prefer my Megatron evil, but I would accept morally grey.
Though splitting into more factions would be pretty interesting, a lot of political maneuvering. We'very kind of got about 4 factions running in the under current as I see it, those who follow Starscream (which is mostly just Starscream), the Autobots, then the Decepticon subfactions, Galvatron's brand of crazy and Soundwave's peace and love. Which is great, it's a more realistic set up,
I've been hoping for a while now that someone clever within IDW would find a way to introduce the maximals and predacons, things would get very tense and there could be some interesting stories to tell.
You do bring up a good point about the different fractions we do have already though had combiner wars went differently I could of seen Prowl leading his own breakaway faction, laying down the law with no compassion.
As for megs and the primes: thought as much, I may have gotten his anti religion thoughts from a different incarnation of him.
Yeah a lot of other places have delved into the religious aspect, but I don't recall much on it in IDW in general... until recently there wasn't a lot of religion for them.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772411)
Posted by Crosscheck on March 9th, 2016 @ 5:14pm CST
Posted by Crosscheck on March 9th, 2016 @ 5:14pm CST
Something tells me they are going to escape using Brainstorm's briefcase that Ravage recovered. The hole in space-time will act as a portal onto the Lost Light. Perhaps Megatron will send the crew back, but cover their escape by fighting Tarn. Obviously there has to be more going on in their execution videos. I am thinking the gun barrel that Fortress Maximus recognized was the Nudge Gun or some other familiar Autobot weapon.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772427)
Posted by ScottyP on March 9th, 2016 @ 6:24pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on March 9th, 2016 @ 6:24pm CST
Right then, time for spoiler tags!
Place your bets here on who saves the day for our stranded heroes! Well, the ones left to save at least. And we'll go with "lends a helping hand in some capacity even if they fail", in case there's tag team heroism, or at least attempts at it, going on in issue 54 or 55 when this wraps up
*Defensor - 4:1
*The Wreckers - 8:1
*The Conspicuously Absent for Most of #50 Thunderclash - 1:1
*Drift and Ratchet - 1:2
*The Scavengers - 32:1
*Current Lost Light Crew (either faction) - 1:1
*Put Your Hands Up, Cuz Everybody Dies - 1500:1
*They kill Rung and use him to activate Unicron or something - 30000:1
And while we're at it, let's go with some prop bets, those are fun!
*Megatron dies - 1:1
*Tarn dies - 10:11
*Some other DJD member dies - 1:4
*This all somehow plays into Necrobot's mysterious list from years ago - 3:2
*Hound does anything else - 5:1
*Getaway and/or Atomizer narrowly escape to hang out with Prowl while the other dies somehow - 2:3
*The Scavengers don't appear again in this arc - 1:100
*A majority of the cool Japanese G1 Decepticon characters are killed unceremoniously - 1:1
*Pharma and/or Star Saber show up and act like a-holes - 4:3
Disclaimer: this isn't real and I'm not actually betting on this book's storyline. If you were hoping to gamble on it, please call your state's problem gambling helpline.
Place your bets here on who saves the day for our stranded heroes! Well, the ones left to save at least. And we'll go with "lends a helping hand in some capacity even if they fail", in case there's tag team heroism, or at least attempts at it, going on in issue 54 or 55 when this wraps up
*Defensor - 4:1
*The Wreckers - 8:1
*The Conspicuously Absent for Most of #50 Thunderclash - 1:1
*Drift and Ratchet - 1:2
*The Scavengers - 32:1
*Current Lost Light Crew (either faction) - 1:1
*Put Your Hands Up, Cuz Everybody Dies - 1500:1
*They kill Rung and use him to activate Unicron or something - 30000:1
And while we're at it, let's go with some prop bets, those are fun!
*Megatron dies - 1:1
*Tarn dies - 10:11
*Some other DJD member dies - 1:4
*This all somehow plays into Necrobot's mysterious list from years ago - 3:2
*Hound does anything else - 5:1
*Getaway and/or Atomizer narrowly escape to hang out with Prowl while the other dies somehow - 2:3
*The Scavengers don't appear again in this arc - 1:100
*A majority of the cool Japanese G1 Decepticon characters are killed unceremoniously - 1:1
*Pharma and/or Star Saber show up and act like a-holes - 4:3
Disclaimer: this isn't real and I'm not actually betting on this book's storyline. If you were hoping to gamble on it, please call your state's problem gambling helpline.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772428)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 9th, 2016 @ 6:40pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 9th, 2016 @ 6:40pm CST
Well Scotty, taking into account what happened, I am going to say that your bets may be a bit off. If anything, Drift and Ratchet now seem far more likely, and Defensor not so much. I also think that someone on the actual Lost Light will realize what is happening and will do something, and it is possible that briefcase will come into play, but not used by the outcasts since they most likely do not have it. thought that space hole in Swerve's should play a role too. 
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772430)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 6:51pm CST
I gotta agree if we are going to put bets down, mine goes to the first to Bots the Filthy MAXIMAL lead in with.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 6:51pm CST
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Well Scotty, taking into account what happened, I am going to say that your bets may be a bit off. If anything, Drift and Ratchet now seem far more likely, and Defensor not so much. I also think that someone on the actual Lost Light will realize what is happening and will do something, and it is possible that briefcase will come into play, but not used by the outcasts since they most likely do not have it. thought that space hole in Swerve's should play a role too.
I gotta agree if we are going to put bets down, mine goes to the first to Bots the Filthy MAXIMAL lead in with.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772443)
Posted by MrBlack on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:28pm CST
Posted by MrBlack on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:28pm CST
I think the Lost Light is off the table. We know they're maintaining radio silence three weeks after the confessions, so I imagine they're involvement in this story arc is done.
I could see the Protectobots and Mirage showing up. They were heading back to the Lost Light, but may be put off by the fact that they're running silent. They may catch the chatter regarding the DJD if they're in the right area of space.
I also wonder if we might not see the Galactic Counsel get involved. Rodimus and crew did just very publicly save a planet of organics, the Council likes Magnus, and they hate the DJD. They might be willing to get involved, which would at least serve to even the numbers a bit.
I'm guessing that Season 3 is Team Rodimus heading after the Lost Light.
I could see the Protectobots and Mirage showing up. They were heading back to the Lost Light, but may be put off by the fact that they're running silent. They may catch the chatter regarding the DJD if they're in the right area of space.
I also wonder if we might not see the Galactic Counsel get involved. Rodimus and crew did just very publicly save a planet of organics, the Council likes Magnus, and they hate the DJD. They might be willing to get involved, which would at least serve to even the numbers a bit.
I'm guessing that Season 3 is Team Rodimus heading after the Lost Light.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772449)
Posted by pie-man on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:43pm CST
Posted by pie-man on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:43pm CST
Awesome issue.... gut-wrenching for sure.
One thing that that bothered me..... Cyclonus & Tailgate still seem to be on the Lost Light, as they are not part of "Team Rodimus". I'm pretty sure they both will never side with Getaway, so there is some hope of the LL.
Plus, other groups like Ratchet & Drift as well as the Protectobots are headed back.... so who knows where the help might come from.
One thing that that bothered me..... Cyclonus & Tailgate still seem to be on the Lost Light, as they are not part of "Team Rodimus". I'm pretty sure they both will never side with Getaway, so there is some hope of the LL.
Plus, other groups like Ratchet & Drift as well as the Protectobots are headed back.... so who knows where the help might come from.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772452)
Posted by Randomhero on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:48pm CST
That list has already returned. Tha was the duplicate lost light. It's already been established
Posted by Randomhero on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:48pm CST
ScottyP wrote:Right then, time for spoiler tags!
Place your bets here on who saves the day for our stranded heroes! Well, the ones left to save at least. And we'll go with "lends a helping hand in some capacity even if they fail", in case there's tag team heroism, or at least attempts at it, going on in issue 54 or 55 when this wraps up
*This all somehow plays into Necrobot's mysterious list from years ago - 3:2
Disclaimer: this isn't real and I'm not actually betting on this book's storyline. If you were hoping to gamble on it, please call your state's problem gambling helpline.[/size]
That list has already returned. Tha was the duplicate lost light. It's already been established
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772453)
Posted by Randomhero on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:53pm CST
What are you talking about? They're All over the place. There's multiple panels of them on the Rodpod, on Censere's planet and in the final panel of that main story.
Posted by Randomhero on March 9th, 2016 @ 7:53pm CST
pie-man wrote:Awesome issue.... gut-wrenching for sure.
One thing that that bothered me..... Cyclonus & Tailgate still seem to be on the Lost Light, as they are not part of "Team Rodimus". I'm pretty sure they both will never side with Getaway, so there is some hope of the LL.
Plus, other groups like Ratchet & Drift as well as the Protectobots are headed back.... so who knows where the help might come from.
What are you talking about? They're All over the place. There's multiple panels of them on the Rodpod, on Censere's planet and in the final panel of that main story.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772454)
Posted by ScottyP on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:07pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:07pm CST
But that's what they say? Or did I write them backwards? That is a possibility.D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Well Scotty, taking into account what happened, I am going to say that your bets may be a bit off. If anything, Drift and Ratchet now seem far more likely, and Defensor not so much.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772457)
Posted by pie-man on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:10pm CST
My mistake then.... I still haven't gotten a hold of the issue yet, but just couldn't wait.... so I just read it up on TFwiki
Funnily enough, there is no mention of Cyclonus or Tailgate as part of the team. I double-checked before posting. Oh well.... thanks for that.
Posted by pie-man on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:10pm CST
Randomhero wrote:What are you talking about? They're All over the place. There's multiple panels of them on the Rodpod, on Censere's planet and in the final panel of that main story.
My mistake then.... I still haven't gotten a hold of the issue yet, but just couldn't wait.... so I just read it up on TFwiki
Funnily enough, there is no mention of Cyclonus or Tailgate as part of the team. I double-checked before posting. Oh well.... thanks for that.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772459)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:14pm CST
Never trust a wiki... they are evil... pure evil...
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:14pm CST
pie-man wrote:Randomhero wrote:What are you talking about? They're All over the place. There's multiple panels of them on the Rodpod, on Censere's planet and in the final panel of that main story.
My mistake then.... I still haven't gotten a hold of the issue yet, but just couldn't wait.... so I just read it up on TFwiki
Funnily enough, there is no mention of Cyclonus or Tailgate as part of the team. I double-checked before posting. Oh well.... thanks for that.
Never trust a wiki... they are evil... pure evil...
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772464)
Posted by RevTibe on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:33pm CST
Posted by RevTibe on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:33pm CST
Standard practice to only address the big picture in the synopsis. A synopsis would be equal parts bloated and unpleasant to read if it came to down "a, b and c were standing in the background here, d was looking through the doorway there while e helped f support their weight..." etc.ctrlFrequency wrote:pie-man wrote:Randomhero wrote:What are you talking about? They're All over the place. There's multiple panels of them on the Rodpod, on Censere's planet and in the final panel of that main story.
My mistake then.... I still haven't gotten a hold of the issue yet, but just couldn't wait.... so I just read it up on TFwiki
Funnily enough, there is no mention of Cyclonus or Tailgate as part of the team. I double-checked before posting. Oh well.... thanks for that.
Never trust a wiki... they are evil... pure evil...
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772466)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:34pm CST
No no, I agreed on that part, but was disagreeing with other parts.
And Ctrl: nice sig!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:34pm CST
ScottyP wrote:But that's what they say? Or did I write them backwards? That is a possibility.D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Well Scotty, taking into account what happened, I am going to say that your bets may be a bit off. If anything, Drift and Ratchet now seem far more likely, and Defensor not so much.
No no, I agreed on that part, but was disagreeing with other parts.
And Ctrl: nice sig!
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772469)
Posted by ebonyleopard on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:40pm CST
Posted by ebonyleopard on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:40pm CST
First read of the week. Reaction by the end of the first story, WOW. I honest to God audible "WOW".
Man, I did not see this coming. And Blaster. Blaster Blaster Blaster. How could you brah?
I've always been curious about the relationship between Blaster and his would be Tape crew, but I guess there isn't an actual relationship and Blaster doesn't have a cassette crew in this universe.
But damn...Never have I been more nervous about the fate of a cast of characters in a comic, and saddened by the fact we will never get a Ravage toy as awesome looking as this IDW Ravage design.
Man, I did not see this coming. And Blaster. Blaster Blaster Blaster. How could you brah?
I've always been curious about the relationship between Blaster and his would be Tape crew, but I guess there isn't an actual relationship and Blaster doesn't have a cassette crew in this universe.
But damn...Never have I been more nervous about the fate of a cast of characters in a comic, and saddened by the fact we will never get a Ravage toy as awesome looking as this IDW Ravage design.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772470)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:40pm CST
Thank you
I was feeling a WTF crzy! mood.... so... sig matches the mood (and I couldn't find my Megatron pic
No matter what anyone says wiks are still pure evil
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:40pm CST
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:
And Ctrl: nice sig!
Thank you
I was feeling a WTF crzy! mood.... so... sig matches the mood (and I couldn't find my Megatron pic
No matter what anyone says wiks are still pure evil
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772474)
Posted by RevTibe on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:53pm CST
For Blaster and co., it probably just boils down to thinking Rodimus is an unfit captain, and hating that Megatron's walking around, relatively free, talking up how he's a pacifist now etc. That wouldn't be too sinister.
Posted by RevTibe on March 9th, 2016 @ 8:53pm CST
He might not be too bad - we don't know how much info Getaway and Atomizer have shared. The only info we can be firm on Blaster and the others having is that Megatron, and those who may defend him, have been marooned on the Necrobot's planet, and that Getaway has alerted someone who will supposedly kill only Megatron. They probably don't know it's the horrifying DJD being sent to the stranded 'bots, they might not even know the Necrobot's dead.Ebonyleopard wrote:Man, I did not see this coming. And Blaster. Blaster Blaster Blaster. How could you brah?
For Blaster and co., it probably just boils down to thinking Rodimus is an unfit captain, and hating that Megatron's walking around, relatively free, talking up how he's a pacifist now etc. That wouldn't be too sinister.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772479)
Posted by Transtech Rhinox on March 9th, 2016 @ 9:10pm CST
Posted by Transtech Rhinox on March 9th, 2016 @ 9:10pm CST
What if Rewind was sent back to change things? Ravage missed him hiding in the Magnus armor, then there was a flash of lightning and suddenly he is there? The predestination loop is what keeps him from canceling out because he and the one briefcase that Nightbeat and Nautica found had to go back in time to come into play now. Sadly, he had to witness two slaughters.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772482)
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 9:16pm CST
Yeah you really have to figure that we, as the readers have a different perspective of Megatron. For us he is a character in a book, but for the Lost Light crew, they lived through a long bloody war where others killed in the name this guy that is now running around their ship "free" and declaring himself a pacifist.
For us he isn't real, didn't actually kill people, so we can actually have some sympathies for him. We can like him.
But I can promise you... if he was real, I'd feel the same about Megatron as the crew does. As a character I love Megatron. And I have always said even the worst people in human history have some redeeming quality, but they still are horrible people. Same with Megs... in the reality for the characters (if they were real) they're reactions are reasonable.
It was a powerful scene as if Roberts was reminding us of how brutal and evil Megatron was. Not everyone can jump on the fan bandwagon so easily.
Posted by ctrlFrequency on March 9th, 2016 @ 9:16pm CST
RevTibe wrote:He might not be too bad - we don't know how much info Getaway and Atomizer have shared. The only info we can be firm on Blaster and the others having is that Megatron, and those who may defend him, have been marooned on the Necrobot's planet, and that Getaway has alerted someone who will supposedly kill only Megatron. They probably don't know it's the horrifying DJD being sent to the stranded 'bots, they might not even know the Necrobot's dead.Ebonyleopard wrote:Man, I did not see this coming. And Blaster. Blaster Blaster Blaster. How could you brah?
For Blaster and co., it probably just boils down to thinking Rodimus is an unfit captain, and hating that Megatron's walking around, relatively free, talking up how he's a pacifist now etc. That wouldn't be too sinister.
Yeah you really have to figure that we, as the readers have a different perspective of Megatron. For us he is a character in a book, but for the Lost Light crew, they lived through a long bloody war where others killed in the name this guy that is now running around their ship "free" and declaring himself a pacifist.
For us he isn't real, didn't actually kill people, so we can actually have some sympathies for him. We can like him.
But I can promise you... if he was real, I'd feel the same about Megatron as the crew does. As a character I love Megatron. And I have always said even the worst people in human history have some redeeming quality, but they still are horrible people. Same with Megs... in the reality for the characters (if they were real) they're reactions are reasonable.
It was a powerful scene as if Roberts was reminding us of how brutal and evil Megatron was. Not everyone can jump on the fan bandwagon so easily.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772484)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 9th, 2016 @ 9:18pm CST
This actually makes a degree of sense and is a great theory. A Rewind, a briefcase. hmm. interesting
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 9th, 2016 @ 9:18pm CST
Transtech Rhinox wrote:What if Rewind was sent back to change things? Ravage missed him hiding in the Magnus armor, then there was a flash of lightning and suddenly he is there? The predestination loop is what keeps him from canceling out because he and the one briefcase that Nightbeat and Nautica found had to go back in time to come into play now. Sadly, he had to witness two slaughters.
This actually makes a degree of sense and is a great theory. A Rewind, a briefcase. hmm. interesting
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772527)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 10th, 2016 @ 2:15am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 10th, 2016 @ 2:15am CST
So many spoiler tags to read through. ..and on a phone that doesn't like them.
As much as I would like it, I doubt rung's alt mode will come into play this time...I see that as the 100 issue goal
Time travel rewind would be a neat idea but it all depends on how it's handled.
Also whoever said that season 3 would be team rodimus chasing after the lost light then if Roberts did that it means he's channeling some classic British Sci Fi comedy there as that mirrors seasons 6 & 7 of Red Dwarf.
As much as I would like it, I doubt rung's alt mode will come into play this time...I see that as the 100 issue goal
Time travel rewind would be a neat idea but it all depends on how it's handled.
Also whoever said that season 3 would be team rodimus chasing after the lost light then if Roberts did that it means he's channeling some classic British Sci Fi comedy there as that mirrors seasons 6 & 7 of Red Dwarf.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772570)
Posted by o.supreme on March 10th, 2016 @ 9:03am CST
Posted by o.supreme on March 10th, 2016 @ 9:03am CST
I know I am in the vast minority here, being more of a fan of "Transfomers" (formerly RiD), rather than MTMTE... However I have read and purchased both titles faithfully since the beginning. I have to admit I just don't "get" MTMTE most of the time, and not always favorable on the change in characters personas, but that is a discussion for another time. But I appreciate what it is trying to accomplish and have the utmost respect for its fans. That being said... I really look forward to reading this issue.
Also. I've read several comments with regard to Megatron taking exception to Prime's actions on Earth. Also I am aware that *currently* it appears Megs has no interest in what Starscream is doing on Cybertron, or may or may not be aware of what Prime is up to. However...in some future crossover event, I would think that a confrontation between Megatron and Galvatron would something pretty epic.
I know currently in IDW they are probably not even aware of the others existence (Well Galvatron probably knows about Megs..but I don't know about the other way around...) and they are separated by light-years both physically and metaphorically. Still, I would think the nature of Transformers lore would draw these two together at some point for a confrontation. Or am I just thinking one dimensional geewun gibberish?
Also. I've read several comments with regard to Megatron taking exception to Prime's actions on Earth. Also I am aware that *currently* it appears Megs has no interest in what Starscream is doing on Cybertron, or may or may not be aware of what Prime is up to. However...in some future crossover event, I would think that a confrontation between Megatron and Galvatron would something pretty epic.
I know currently in IDW they are probably not even aware of the others existence (Well Galvatron probably knows about Megs..but I don't know about the other way around...) and they are separated by light-years both physically and metaphorically. Still, I would think the nature of Transformers lore would draw these two together at some point for a confrontation. Or am I just thinking one dimensional geewun gibberish?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772578)
Posted by Quint on March 10th, 2016 @ 9:35am CST
I'd be fascinated to see how many on this forum think Getaway's group is 'bad' or at least in the wrong. Forgetting Getaway and his methods (he's empirically a douchebag). Is it possible to add a poll to the thread?
It reminds me a little of House of Cards or Breaking Bad. Lofty comparisons for sure but they trick the audience into routing for them purely because the narrative is told from their perspective. It doesn't mean however that they're 'the good guys' or indeed someone we should be routing for etc. That 99% ref was very evocative too.
Edit - Sorry for the spoilers, my post looks like a president's military service record or something... can we assume everyone reading to this point has read the damn thing now?
Posted by Quint on March 10th, 2016 @ 9:35am CST
ctrlFrequency wrote:RevTibe wrote:He might not be too bad - we don't know how much info Getaway and Atomizer have shared. The only info we can be firm on Blaster and the others having is that Megatron, and those who may defend him, have been marooned on the Necrobot's planet, and that Getaway has alerted someone who will supposedly kill only Megatron. They probably don't know it's the horrifying DJD being sent to the stranded 'bots, they might not even know the Necrobot's dead.Ebonyleopard wrote:Man, I did not see this coming. And Blaster. Blaster Blaster Blaster. How could you brah?
For Blaster and co., it probably just boils down to thinking Rodimus is an unfit captain, and hating that Megatron's walking around, relatively free, talking up how he's a pacifist now etc. That wouldn't be too sinister.
Yeah you really have to figure that we, as the readers have a different perspective of Megatron. For us he is a character in a book, but for the Lost Light crew, they lived through a long bloody war where others killed in the name this guy that is now running around their ship "free" and declaring himself a pacifist.
For us he isn't real, didn't actually kill people, so we can actually have some sympathies for him. We can like him.
But I can promise you... if he was real, I'd feel the same about Megatron as the crew does. As a character I love Megatron. And I have always said even the worst people in human history have some redeeming quality, but they still are horrible people. Same with Megs... in the reality for the characters (if they were real) they're reactions are reasonable.
It was a powerful scene as if Roberts was reminding us of how brutal and evil Megatron was. Not everyone can jump on the fan bandwagon so easily.
I'd be fascinated to see how many on this forum think Getaway's group is 'bad' or at least in the wrong. Forgetting Getaway and his methods (he's empirically a douchebag). Is it possible to add a poll to the thread?
It reminds me a little of House of Cards or Breaking Bad. Lofty comparisons for sure but they trick the audience into routing for them purely because the narrative is told from their perspective. It doesn't mean however that they're 'the good guys' or indeed someone we should be routing for etc. That 99% ref was very evocative too.
Edit - Sorry for the spoilers, my post looks like a president's military service record or something... can we assume everyone reading to this point has read the damn thing now?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772605)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 10th, 2016 @ 10:26am CST
Megs and galvatron have already thrown down as recently as dark cybertron as galvatron came through the space bridge located inside megs. I think they also fought during chaos but I can't remember.
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 10th, 2016 @ 10:26am CST
o.supreme wrote:I know I am in the vast minority here, being more of a fan of "Transfomers" (formerly RiD), rather than MTMTE... However I have read and purchased both titles faithfully since the beginning. I have to admit I just don't "get" MTMTE most of the time, and not always favorable on the change in characters personas, but that is a discussion for another time. But I appreciate what it is trying to accomplish and have the utmost respect for its fans. That being said... I really look forward to reading this issue.
Also. I've read several comments with regard to Megatron taking exception to Prime's actions on Earth. Also I am aware that *currently* it appears Megs has no interest in what Starscream is doing on Cybertron, or may or may not be aware of what Prime is up to. However...in some future crossover event, I would think that a confrontation between Megatron and Galvatron would something pretty epic.
I know currently in IDW they are probably not even aware of the others existence (Well Galvatron probably knows about Megs..but I don't know about the other way around...) and they are separated by light-years both physically and metaphorically. Still, I would think the nature of Transformers lore would draw these two together at some point for a confrontation. Or am I just thinking one dimensional geewun gibberish?
Megs and galvatron have already thrown down as recently as dark cybertron as galvatron came through the space bridge located inside megs. I think they also fought during chaos but I can't remember.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772713)
Posted by leokearon on March 11th, 2016 @ 2:38am CST
Posted by leokearon on March 11th, 2016 @ 2:38am CST
Anyone have a scan of the Letter's page, I want to know if my Letter got printed but I can't buy the issue (nearest comic shops is over 150kms away) and I'm not sure if the will reprint the letter's page in the trade
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Posted by RevTibe on March 11th, 2016 @ 2:51am CST
Posted by RevTibe on March 11th, 2016 @ 2:51am CST
Can't really upload the page currently, but can check if you mention the content of the letter or some other identifier.leokearon wrote:Anyone have a scan of the Letter's page, I want to know if my Letter got printed but I can't buy the issue (nearest comic shops is over 150kms away) and I'm not sure if the will reprint the letter's page in the trade
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Posted by leokearon on March 11th, 2016 @ 3:06am CST
if they print names check for Leo Kearon or leokearon, also the word Stubbies should be mentioned near the start
Posted by leokearon on March 11th, 2016 @ 3:06am CST
RevTibe wrote:Can't really upload the page currently, but can check if you mention the content of the letter or some other identifier.leokearon wrote:Anyone have a scan of the Letter's page, I want to know if my Letter got printed but I can't buy the issue (nearest comic shops is over 150kms away) and I'm not sure if the will reprint the letter's page in the trade
if they print names check for Leo Kearon or leokearon, also the word Stubbies should be mentioned near the start
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1772717)
Posted by RevTibe on March 11th, 2016 @ 3:11am CST
Posted by RevTibe on March 11th, 2016 @ 3:11am CST
Sorry, doesn't look like you're in there.leokearon wrote:RevTibe wrote:Can't really upload the page currently, but can check if you mention the content of the letter or some other identifier.leokearon wrote:Anyone have a scan of the Letter's page, I want to know if my Letter got printed but I can't buy the issue (nearest comic shops is over 150kms away) and I'm not sure if the will reprint the letter's page in the trade
if they print names check for Leo Kearon or leokearon, also the word Stubbies should be mentioned here the start
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Posted by leokearon on March 11th, 2016 @ 10:45am CST
Thanks for checking
Posted by leokearon on March 11th, 2016 @ 10:45am CST
RevTibe wrote:Sorry, doesn't look like you're in there.leokearon wrote:RevTibe wrote:Can't really upload the page currently, but can check if you mention the content of the letter or some other identifier.leokearon wrote:Anyone have a scan of the Letter's page, I want to know if my Letter got printed but I can't buy the issue (nearest comic shops is over 150kms away) and I'm not sure if the will reprint the letter's page in the trade
if they print names check for Leo Kearon or leokearon, also the word Stubbies should be mentioned here the start
Thanks for checking
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1773005)
Posted by DarkEnergon on March 15th, 2016 @ 12:50pm CDT
Posted by DarkEnergon on March 15th, 2016 @ 12:50pm CDT
The reason I love MMTE is because of the characters and dialogue.
I love how Rodimus is done - and how that personality type is very real and always comes with costs, but those who don't let themselves be put off by it fully are usually rewarded - because unlike Getaway, he is kind-hearted at the core. Impulsive, vain, lazy, emotional - but all surface negative traits clouding a heroic character.
Likewise, I like how Megatron is being handled - Roberts doesn't miss opportunities to remind us that this isn't a trick - but still plants seeds of doubt all the same (Fool's Energon can *change* your personality? What happens when he's off his meds then?)
My big question - did the necrobot not have a magic portal to anywhere in the universe? Could they not just switch that thing on and pop off to Hedonia or somewhere?
I love how Rodimus is done - and how that personality type is very real and always comes with costs, but those who don't let themselves be put off by it fully are usually rewarded - because unlike Getaway, he is kind-hearted at the core. Impulsive, vain, lazy, emotional - but all surface negative traits clouding a heroic character.
Likewise, I like how Megatron is being handled - Roberts doesn't miss opportunities to remind us that this isn't a trick - but still plants seeds of doubt all the same (Fool's Energon can *change* your personality? What happens when he's off his meds then?)
My big question - did the necrobot not have a magic portal to anywhere in the universe? Could they not just switch that thing on and pop off to Hedonia or somewhere?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1773019)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 15th, 2016 @ 2:08pm CDT
They could, but who knows??? Potential plot point!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 15th, 2016 @ 2:08pm CDT
DarkEnergon wrote:
My big question - did the necrobot not have a magic portal to anywhere in the universe? Could they not just switch that thing on and pop off to Hedonia or somewhere?
They could, but who knows??? Potential plot point!
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Posted by DarkEnergon on March 23rd, 2016 @ 12:06pm CDT
Posted by DarkEnergon on March 23rd, 2016 @ 12:06pm CDT
You know, I don't know why, but I'm kind of assuming that the goodbye videos are not under the gun from DJD, but self-made and released. Either a trick from Rodimus to get DJD et al to think they've given up or to trick lost light, or just everyone except him are resigned to their fate and have given up and made these videos.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 23rd, 2016 @ 12:12pm CDT
Really not a bad thought, and I think we will see that either next week or next month.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 23rd, 2016 @ 12:12pm CDT
DarkEnergon wrote:You know, I don't know why, but I'm kind of assuming that the goodbye videos are not under the gun from DJD, but self-made and released. Either a trick from Rodimus to get DJD et al to think they've given up or to trick lost light, or just everyone except him are resigned to their fate and have given up and made these videos.
Really not a bad thought, and I think we will see that either next week or next month.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1776765)
Posted by o.supreme on March 31st, 2016 @ 2:31pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on March 31st, 2016 @ 2:31pm CDT
I know this is a bit late but...I only get my comics once a month from the local shop, so I just got MTMTE #50 & #51 and read them together. I was just wondering...
When it shows the crowd shot of the mutineers with Getaway...Has anyone identified them all? I mean Blaster, Mainframe, and Smokescreen I could make out...But the rest I have no clue. Even TF wiki hasn't been able to identify them all. I mean if you are going to deviate that far from the original characters designs, you should give them name tags or something...
Also, why did it show Ultra Magnus get blown up on one page, and he is perfectly ok on the next page?
When it shows the crowd shot of the mutineers with Getaway...Has anyone identified them all? I mean Blaster, Mainframe, and Smokescreen I could make out...But the rest I have no clue. Even TF wiki hasn't been able to identify them all. I mean if you are going to deviate that far from the original characters designs, you should give them name tags or something...
Also, why did it show Ultra Magnus get blown up on one page, and he is perfectly ok on the next page?
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 31st, 2016 @ 3:16pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 31st, 2016 @ 3:16pm CDT
Answers!
The mutineers on the bridge are: Jackpot, Crosscut, Grapple, Siren, Riptide, Atomizer, Blaster, Mainframe, Bluestreak, Hoist. The characters that cannot be identified are in the background on large shots like the beginning battles. It's not that the characters are that far off from their original designs, just the distance of the shot.
And Magnus got hurt bad, and the damage was on his right arm. He did get blown up, but the blowup was to his right arm. The damage is seen later since he is missing almost his entire right arm, shoulder and such.
The mutineers on the bridge are: Jackpot, Crosscut, Grapple, Siren, Riptide, Atomizer, Blaster, Mainframe, Bluestreak, Hoist. The characters that cannot be identified are in the background on large shots like the beginning battles. It's not that the characters are that far off from their original designs, just the distance of the shot.
And Magnus got hurt bad, and the damage was on his right arm. He did get blown up, but the blowup was to his right arm. The damage is seen later since he is missing almost his entire right arm, shoulder and such.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1776802)
Posted by o.supreme on March 31st, 2016 @ 4:55pm CDT
Thanks for the answers. I am not questioning. I guess I am just getting old...
Jackpot--Never heard of him
Crosscut--Never heard of him
Grapple,-other than being yellow, I never would have guessed this
Siren Never heard of him
Riptide--Never heard of him
Atomizer--Never heard of him
Blaster, (Yay I got one!)
Mainframe, (Yay I got 2!)
Bluestreak,(Um...Bluestreak has always been Silver/Grey...Smokescreen is blue..??
Hoist --never would have guessed that..
Probably the coolest part was seeing Megatron say "Autobots Roll Out!" (Hot Rod: You know you want to LOL!) and seeing the Transformers actually TRANSFORM in a comic! For the longest time I thought they had all taken Nucleon and had given up the ability to do this.
Posted by o.supreme on March 31st, 2016 @ 4:55pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:The mutineers on the bridge are: Jackpot, Crosscut, Grapple, Siren, Riptide, Atomizer, Blaster, Mainframe, Bluestreak, Hoist. The characters that cannot be identified are in the background on large shots like the beginning battles. It's not that the characters are that far off from their original designs, just the distance of the shot.
And Magnus got hurt bad, and the damage was on his right arm. He did get blown up, but the blowup was to his right arm. The damage is seen later since he is missing almost his entire right arm, shoulder and such.
Thanks for the answers. I am not questioning. I guess I am just getting old...
Jackpot--Never heard of him
Crosscut--Never heard of him
Grapple,-other than being yellow, I never would have guessed this
Siren Never heard of him
Riptide--Never heard of him
Atomizer--Never heard of him
Blaster, (Yay I got one!)
Mainframe, (Yay I got 2!)
Bluestreak,(Um...Bluestreak has always been Silver/Grey...Smokescreen is blue..??
Hoist --never would have guessed that..
Probably the coolest part was seeing Megatron say "Autobots Roll Out!" (Hot Rod: You know you want to LOL!) and seeing the Transformers actually TRANSFORM in a comic! For the longest time I thought they had all taken Nucleon and had given up the ability to do this.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1776817)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 31st, 2016 @ 6:44pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 31st, 2016 @ 6:44pm CDT
That's a thing though: this comic is all about a lot of characters that nobody or almost no one has heard of, which is cool. And as for transforming: Roberts stated he found the action masters cool because it showed that hasbro was convinced the transformers would sell due to the characters and not the gimmick, even if that gimmick was kind of fundamental to the whole name of the brand. And I think that is partly channeled here
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Posted by Ironhidensh on April 1st, 2016 @ 6:40am CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on April 1st, 2016 @ 6:40am CDT
Did the actionmasters sell though? I know for me, as a child, that was when I walked away from transformers.
Also, one of the things I love about MTMTE is how they've assessed this in book, with several characters wondering at times why they even have alt modes.
Also, one of the things I love about MTMTE is how they've assessed this in book, with several characters wondering at times why they even have alt modes.
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Posted by o.supreme on April 1st, 2016 @ 10:51am CDT
Unfortunately I do not believe sales data from 1990-1991 really exists, at least not publicly. But I know for most fans of the original TF like myself, we consider Action Masters to be it's death sentence. Hasbro did not seem interested by that time in investing any real effort in R&D of the brand, and Action Masters just seemed like a cheap cop-out.
I stopped purchasing the toys in after 1987. I really wanted PM Prime & Piranacon, but never got them (until as an adult collector several years later). But I continued to Purchase Marvel's comic, and even had a *rare* opportunity at the time to view the Japanese Transformers series as a friend in my school had family in Japan that sent him VHS tapes of anime constantly. However I vividly remember when the first Action Masters toy commercials came out. The talk among friends was not good. They were pretty much universally hated. I know age and collectability over time has probably softened most fans, and while I do not "hate" the action masters, I still see them as the end of the thing I enjoyed so much as a kid.
I do agree that the characters themselves are strong enough to transcend their "gimmick", but still, doing what they are fundamentally designed to do should appear at least once per comic issue (not every character...but at least once character once per issue)...Just my two cents. Even on alien worlds, where the concept of being "Robots in disguise" is unnecessary. What is the faster mode of travel... walking or flying/driving?
Posted by o.supreme on April 1st, 2016 @ 10:51am CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:Did the actionmasters sell though? I know for me, as a child, that was when I walked away from transformers.
Also, one of the things I love about MTMTE is how they've assessed this in book, with several characters wondering at times why they even have alt modes.
Unfortunately I do not believe sales data from 1990-1991 really exists, at least not publicly. But I know for most fans of the original TF like myself, we consider Action Masters to be it's death sentence. Hasbro did not seem interested by that time in investing any real effort in R&D of the brand, and Action Masters just seemed like a cheap cop-out.
I stopped purchasing the toys in after 1987. I really wanted PM Prime & Piranacon, but never got them (until as an adult collector several years later). But I continued to Purchase Marvel's comic, and even had a *rare* opportunity at the time to view the Japanese Transformers series as a friend in my school had family in Japan that sent him VHS tapes of anime constantly. However I vividly remember when the first Action Masters toy commercials came out. The talk among friends was not good. They were pretty much universally hated. I know age and collectability over time has probably softened most fans, and while I do not "hate" the action masters, I still see them as the end of the thing I enjoyed so much as a kid.
I do agree that the characters themselves are strong enough to transcend their "gimmick", but still, doing what they are fundamentally designed to do should appear at least once per comic issue (not every character...but at least once character once per issue)...Just my two cents. Even on alien worlds, where the concept of being "Robots in disguise" is unnecessary. What is the faster mode of travel... walking or flying/driving?
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1776986)
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 1st, 2016 @ 12:04pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 1st, 2016 @ 12:04pm CDT
I think transforming should only be done when it's needed, and where it makes sense to show it. Otherwise it's pointless and can kill pacing in a story. It should never be shoehorned in just because it's in there name.
As for action masters selling I can only imagine them selling as well as an blackberry in an apple store.
As for action masters selling I can only imagine them selling as well as an blackberry in an apple store.
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Posted by o.supreme on April 1st, 2016 @ 12:50pm CDT
See...that's I guess the fundamental difference in our philosophies. I don't think doing something that someone is designed to do is shoehorning. If that's the case...just change the name of TF:MTMTE to - The Lost Cybertronians or something...Forcing characters nobody wants to see..because of Hasbro... THAT is shoehorning. I'd argue that Transforming never slowed down any Marvel or DW comic, or any animated series (with the exception of the Unicron Trilogy...because their overly time consuming Transformation sequences were just awful) . Heck the comics I'd say is the perfect medium because you actually don't have to show any moving parts. One panel they are robots, next panel they are in their alt modes.
Again, I'm not saying to do it frivolously, but in every issue of MTMTE that never featured a transforming bot, I bet I can pick out at least one occasion where it would have served a purpose.
Posted by o.supreme on April 1st, 2016 @ 12:50pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:It should never be shoehorned in just because it's in there name.
See...that's I guess the fundamental difference in our philosophies. I don't think doing something that someone is designed to do is shoehorning. If that's the case...just change the name of TF:MTMTE to - The Lost Cybertronians or something...Forcing characters nobody wants to see..because of Hasbro... THAT is shoehorning. I'd argue that Transforming never slowed down any Marvel or DW comic, or any animated series (with the exception of the Unicron Trilogy...because their overly time consuming Transformation sequences were just awful) . Heck the comics I'd say is the perfect medium because you actually don't have to show any moving parts. One panel they are robots, next panel they are in their alt modes.
Again, I'm not saying to do it frivolously, but in every issue of MTMTE that never featured a transforming bot, I bet I can pick out at least one occasion where it would have served a purpose.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1777022)
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 1st, 2016 @ 2:50pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 1st, 2016 @ 2:50pm CDT
I can respect your opinion and thanks for highlighting a grammar error I missed they couldn't change the name as the brand naming has to be there.
I'd also wager that transformation sequences being overused in animation is down to money saving techniques, anime does it all the time.
they couldn't change the name as the brand naming has to be there.I'd also wager that transformation sequences being overused in animation is down to money saving techniques, anime does it all the time.
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Posted by WreckerJack on July 10th, 2016 @ 2:17am CDT
That always bugged me in a lot of anime when I was a kid. With Digimon and Sailor Moon particularly. Always felt like filler after the first time. (which were good shows, like any others they have flaws of course)
At least with TF's its not always the same sequence. With digimon you'd see these same animations every episode and it got old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAeIrYQcnwQ
With transformers it might be the same transformations, but you get them within the context of the story and not some copy pasted animations on a plain background. Which keeps them interesting and exiting. Also the fact that some of them are over fairly quickly keeps the plot moving along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5AJVGnuai8
If you compare the two, you can see what I mean. (I have yet to see Armada but I will watch it at some point.)
Posted by WreckerJack on July 10th, 2016 @ 2:17am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I'd also wager that transformation sequences being overused in animation is down to money saving techniques, anime does it all the time.
That always bugged me in a lot of anime when I was a kid. With Digimon and Sailor Moon particularly. Always felt like filler after the first time. (which were good shows, like any others they have flaws of course)
At least with TF's its not always the same sequence. With digimon you'd see these same animations every episode and it got old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAeIrYQcnwQ
With transformers it might be the same transformations, but you get them within the context of the story and not some copy pasted animations on a plain background. Which keeps them interesting and exiting. Also the fact that some of them are over fairly quickly keeps the plot moving along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5AJVGnuai8
If you compare the two, you can see what I mean. (I have yet to see Armada but I will watch it at some point.)
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1804336)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 10th, 2016 @ 4:59am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 10th, 2016 @ 4:59am CDT
Wow, forgot all about this thread
My animation comment was mainly about the unicron trilogy shows where it's in main abundance. Also I'd argue that all tf shows do it to some extent as it saves time and money which could be better spent elsewhere in the production. Also G1 was like this, as it was just a toy commercial. There was no great care given to the animation as evident by all the animation errors.
My animation comment was mainly about the unicron trilogy shows where it's in main abundance. Also I'd argue that all tf shows do it to some extent as it saves time and money which could be better spent elsewhere in the production. Also G1 was like this, as it was just a toy commercial. There was no great care given to the animation as evident by all the animation errors.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1804556)
Posted by o.supreme on July 11th, 2016 @ 9:08am CDT
Wow...I don't think I've seen a more assuming condescending comment in a long time. The Original Transformers animated series was much more than just a toy commercial. If you are going to play that card, then that can be said for every TF animated series. It had some great stories, some silly ones as well to be sure, but what series hasn't? It is still in my top 3 all-time favorite TF animated series. If you didn't grow up with it, I get that you don't understand it. But because you don't understand it, doesn't mean you get to hate on it.
Posted by o.supreme on July 11th, 2016 @ 9:08am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote: Also G1 was like this, as it was just a toy commercial. There was no great care given to the animation as evident by all the animation errors.
Wow...I don't think I've seen a more assuming condescending comment in a long time. The Original Transformers animated series was much more than just a toy commercial. If you are going to play that card, then that can be said for every TF animated series. It had some great stories, some silly ones as well to be sure, but what series hasn't? It is still in my top 3 all-time favorite TF animated series. If you didn't grow up with it, I get that you don't understand it. But because you don't understand it, doesn't mean you get to hate on it.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2016 @ 10:22am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2016 @ 10:22am CDT
Actually I did grow up on it, and I know full well its flaws and it's strengths. As a child it blew my tiny mind because it was big robots fighting. However as an adult I look on it without the nostalgia glasses and I realise the biggest moment it had in story telling was in the movie and that only cane about because they wanted to clear the toy shelves.
Also my animation comment was strictly from a technical point of view, something that can't be argued as it really is evident. Now everything else is open for debate, from storytelling to the music to the acting.
The toy commercial thing is true for all animated series as well but face it, g1 was created for that strict purpose just like a lot of other 80s franchises.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I honour and recognise g1 as the building blocks of our beloved franchise but that's as far as it goes for me, I'm happy to leave the toon in my childhood memories, I still believe the franchise needs to keep evolving and changing.
If you love the toon then all power to you
just don't pretend that the animation errors don't exist
Also my animation comment was strictly from a technical point of view, something that can't be argued as it really is evident. Now everything else is open for debate, from storytelling to the music to the acting.
The toy commercial thing is true for all animated series as well but face it, g1 was created for that strict purpose just like a lot of other 80s franchises.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I honour and recognise g1 as the building blocks of our beloved franchise but that's as far as it goes for me, I'm happy to leave the toon in my childhood memories, I still believe the franchise needs to keep evolving and changing.
If you love the toon then all power to you
just don't pretend that the animation errors don't exist
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1804578)
Posted by o.supreme on July 11th, 2016 @ 10:31am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on July 11th, 2016 @ 10:31am CDT
Oh I know the errors exist, especially in season 3. But I think that is more to do with a rushed schedule, than the people involved not caring. If you talk to the script writers, yes the goal to sell toys was obvious, but I'll take 90% of what I see in Original TF stories over anything in say...Armada, which also had its fair share of errors (which japan tried to fix in Micron Legend). Believe me when I say I understand the ability to detach nostaligia, from what something truly is, but initially you spoke with such seemingly emptiness that wasn't quite entirely accurate. believe me I am not against newer shows. TF 
rime was what in fact dethroned BW for me as the best TF animated series ever (just my opinion). But to say the original was *just* a toy commercial isn't true.. It was that...and a lot more. I'd argue it had for more non-toy Transformers characters than any other TF series to date.
rime was what in fact dethroned BW for me as the best TF animated series ever (just my opinion). But to say the original was *just* a toy commercial isn't true.. It was that...and a lot more. I'd argue it had for more non-toy Transformers characters than any other TF series to date.
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1804597)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2016 @ 11:54am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2016 @ 11:54am CDT
Ah but it's only more based on your own perception of the toon, something which we'll disagree on amicably. As for the cast, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not after all for kids, they want to own all the cast members featured! I speak from experience with my eldest who wants every character in paw patrol, and all their variants...
after all for kids, they want to own all the cast members featured! I speak from experience with my eldest who wants every character in paw patrol, and all their variants...
Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #50 Review (1834988)
Posted by Kurona on October 20th, 2016 @ 1:23pm CDT
Since no-one on the current squad has a name beginning with A and no transaction was ever shown, my headcanon is that someone went along with Getaway's mutiny just so they wouldn't have to give Magnus money.
My bet's on Aquabat. B*stard.
Posted by Kurona on October 20th, 2016 @ 1:23pm CDT
Since no-one on the current squad has a name beginning with A and no transaction was ever shown, my headcanon is that someone went along with Getaway's mutiny just so they wouldn't have to give Magnus money.
My bet's on Aquabat. B*stard.
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