IDW Transformers: Till All Are One #2 Covers and Details

Yay for Ironhide taking center stage!

Do we even have a date for the first issue yet? I can't recall getting one...

Railbomb wrote:Do we even have a date for the first issue yet? I can't recall getting one...

It was part of the June Solicits

Windblade? Fan favourite?

Genericon #378 wrote:Windblade? Fan favourite?

Just because a few dozen people loudly state their dislike for a character doesn't mean their not popular as a whole Bumblebee is one such example.

I like windblade. I dont think she is always written well, but I can say that for lots of characters.

Optimizzy wrote:I like windblade. I dont think she is always written well, but I can say that for lots of characters.

Written well and Transformers?


For stories maybe but many characters are underdeveloped or are just personality quirks and tropes personified to fill in the story that needs to be told.

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

Deadput wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

I personally don't think she's written well. Her and Chromia both have been around for 2 years in the comics and neither have much character. Nautica has had fewer appearances and she oozing with character and yes, that's because of James Roberts who's strongest writing ability is giving characters unique personalities. I'd even argue Aileron has more personality than Windblade, a character who has had 2 miniseries about her and all we get from those is "I don't like starscream"

Deadput wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

Yeah I was just messing, but seriously though. You bring up a great example in armada starscream. I mean yes. He is a great character, but he also just has a role to fill. Relatively speaking, he's a far better character than say, Huffer, but he still fills a role in the show, one which we've seen in other movies/ shows and in classic Japanese cinema too. Its still "to sell toys". Starscream was just a better nuanced character. Not arguing with you, I see your point and agree. There are just many shades (50?) to that thought.

Relatively, any nuanced character can be boiled down to basic elements. And basic elements can be expanded into nuanced characters. Which, incidentally, is what I think IDW has done a great job doing.

Randomhero wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

I personally don't think she's written well. Her and Chromia both have been around for 2 years in the comics and neither have much character. Nautica has had fewer appearances and she oozing with character and yes, that's because of James Roberts who's strongest writing ability is giving characters unique personalities. I'd even argue Aileron has more personality than Windblade, a character who has had 2 miniseries about her and all we get from those is "I don't like starscream"

I disagree on that: she's an ambassador, a (relative) pacifist, a diplomat, skilled in battle, clearly caring and trying to understand the multiple cultures and individuals she's encountered so far. The second Windblade series was not really about her at all, as it was slid into Combiner Wars, and fell as the page number shrunk.

So while, yes, there are some flaws in the execution, as I noted at the time in reviews, too, I don't think she's the one that takes the most of the brunt.

But she definitely does not like Starscream.

Genericon #378 wrote:Windblade? Fan favourite?

Yeah, I know right...

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

YoungPrime wrote:
She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

What hype?


At least she is treated with better respect then some characters lately.

Deadput wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:
She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.

What hype?


At least she is treated with better respect then some characters lately.

Out of curiosity, who are you referring to?

ZeroWolf wrote:Out of curiosity, who are you referring to?

Windblade?


No clearly I was talking about Chromia which is why I quoted those posts about Windblade to talk about a completely different character.

Man, I don't want starscream to be overthrown. I like the Idea that the biggest shitbag in transformers is the special by way of the chosen one. I like to imagine IDW starscream at this point is Like Gaius from battlestar, who was also a spectacular asshole, and the chosen one.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Man, I don't want starscream to be overthrown. I like the Idea that the biggest shitbag in transformers is the special by way of the chosen one. I like to imagine IDW starscream at this point is Like Gaius from battlestar, who was also a spectacular asshole, and the chosen one.

It's refreshing since it's something outside of the usual "The war is over and the Autobots rule it and is peaceful with no conflict because everyone knows that only Decepticons are bad guys"


Heck I like that a chosen one is somebody not a Prime or an Autobot kid-appeal character.

Deadput wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Out of curiosity, who are you referring to?

Windblade?


No clearly I was talking about Chromia which is why I quoted those posts about Windblade to talk about a completely different character.

Okay, there's no need for the attitude, especially when you worded it the way you did. You said "some characters" which makes it sound like there was more than one character you were having problems with.

Anyways, changing back to the topic at hand.

I want starscream to be overthrown while he falls from grace in a decent of madness, knowing that while he got where he was, it was also his own mistakes that undid him, his ego blinding him as he stepped off the precipice into oblivion.

I more look forward to how this whole Bumblebee as Starscream's ghostly sidekick will turn out