Images from the Set of Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts and Mirage Stunt Scene Video

Sabrblade wrote:The video is dead.

It's because you are not a member of the page it was posted in. I got another link, should work now.

Someone got a nice close up shot of Mirage's hood from the upcoming Transformers film Rise of the Beasts. We can see that instead of the Porsche badge on the hood, it's been replaced with an Autobot insignia. This is a nice nod to how Jazz looked like in the cartoon with the Autobot insignia also in the same spot in a very similar vehicle mode. Much smaller of course.

Also, many have wondered if having a Porsche in the film means that the license is good for the toys too and sadly this is not a given. Licenses for cars in movies and licenses to make toys of those cars are separate. Not to say it won't happen but that it's simply not a given, as we saw with Ferrari.

Nice way to not have to put the logo on the figures

I already hate this movie & I haven't even seen it. Sometimes you can just tell.

But on the bright side, I'll be saving a lot of money when I don't buy any of the toys.

I defended the first 4 movies from all the haters. I tried to overlook all the flaws. But now looking back & seeing the direction everything went in, I see that they were right. I can't overlook it anymore. The Last Knight snapped me out of it. And now seeing Mirage with Jazz' alt mode just makes me sick. It pisses me off just like what they did to Hot Rod in TLK.

And after watching Netflix Earthrise I just can't stomach the Transformers fiction anymore. I'll still buy some of the toys but I'm done with the horrible fiction. The last really good thing I saw was Transformers: Prime. Ever since Beast Hunters ended everything has been in the toilet.

So what did you think of Bumblebee then? Also you hate this movie just because this one got the porsche license? This isn't G1,who cares that they don't have exactly the same alt modes? Or the film makers are assigning alt modes after the fact.

Though it raises an interesting question...what comes first, car licensing or the script?

It probably depends on how prominent the characters are, if I recall Hound and Drift in AOE were always concepted as those characters with those names while Crosshairs was a design made first and such before his final name was decided on just that "we have this Corvette Autobot"

I think it was similar with the Decepticons back in 2007, all the Autobots were designed as those characters but Barricade/Blackout/Brawl all went through several different names including Soundwave for the former two cons, heck even though Hasbro sees Brawl as well Brawl the name Devastator ended up in the film because it was the name Bay preferred although "officially" it's an error.

Uh in gist I think the vehicle modes for the main characters are decided before or during the script, so I think Mirage (who I'm going to guess with the info we have is at the least the third main Autobot) was written in the script as Mirage which would explain why the personalty/character traits describe to us sound way more like a Mirage then any form of Jazz since the latter has never been anti-authority or a "shapeshifter" which is an ability that fits the word "Mirage" as much as going invisible does.

Also depends on whether the movie makers pick the vehicle modes or a licenser donates a vehicle to be used in return for promoting the vehicle, which depends on each character for example 2007 Optimus/Ratchet were picked while ROTF Sideways and AOE Drift were the latter.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Looking forward to seeing what they do with Mirage. To me, he is separate from Dino, so it'll be neat to have those 2 side by side in their alts, and hopefully so in their robot modes too

I agree with this sentiment!



I been thinking about the number of characters in this movie.I know there is some worry about about how to fit them all in one story,but looking back at Bumblebee,shows how to balance that.
The Decepticons could be mentioned and few of them could appear,but they would stay out of the main conflict.
Form what we know,the Terorcons will be main threat,making the Autobots and Maximals fight together.

So, instead of being Jazz, this Porsche is going to be Mirage? Seeing his colourscheme, the silver and the blue hood, it also could have been Blue Streak...?

But I hope they don't mix too much up. I am just confused sometimes with their decisions like some others I believe. Next thing they will make the Autobots the bad guys and the Decepticons heroic

Torneira wrote:So, instead of being Jazz, this Porsche is going to be Mirage? Seeing his colourscheme, the silver and the blue hood, it also could have been Blue Streak...?

But I hope they don't mix too much up. I am just confused sometimes with their decisions like some others I believe. Next thing they will make the Autobots the bad guys and the Decepticons heroic

They probably will end up doing a Shattered Glass movie at some point...

We saw Mirage, and now it's time for the Autobot leader to roll out through the streets of Montreal. Thanks to photos posted by @ramdeenstudios, yova.prime and the Montreal Car Spotting group, we have shots of Optimus Prime in his truck mode. We also have a shot of Bumblebee roling out at the very same spot as the Prime truck. As can be seen, it 70s Camaro similar to what we had seen at the end of the Bumblebee film and at the beginning of the first Bay film. It is said that Bumblebee will not have this form for the entire film and will get an offroad update for a while. We have no clue what scenes are being shot afterall, whether it be for the end or beginning of the film. As we can see, this film will indeed be a mix of G1 callbacks (Prime truck), name slaps (Mirage), and Bayverse callbacks (Bumblebee) all rolled into one.

I'm glad we are getting another shot at this version of the classic Camaro, really like that car and I feel like Bumblebee should of had it for the whole film in the 2007 one, regardless of what the robot mode looks like, I just like the car.

Optimus is also looking pretty cool, I like how it's distinct enough on it's own while still being a call back to the G1 counterpart.

Seems the truck is a modified version of the Bumblebee truck, which I think is pretty rad.

Very glad to see that Camaro again! Wonder how robot mode will change.

So it looks like the bullbar may actually be part of Optimus' new design, should be interesting to see how it is integrated into the robot mode design, and for that matter how the toys adapt that design.

I see that they gave Optimus Prime his "big legs" in truck mode!

For once, the "inacurate" truck WILL be accurate!

Optimus Prime and Mirage are rolling out together in Montreal and we have an image of them together. We also have a very clear image of Optimus' truck (cab) mode. That one was taken by Denis from the Transformersfr.com website and both images were posted on their Facebook page. People have noted that the bull guard addition to Optimus' truck mode was first seen on a toy from the Bumblebee movie so this truck design has been on the drawing board for a while and they are finally going with it for this film.

Once again, I'm glad that they are going for a non-real truck with plenty of "meat" behind to allow for a proper traditional Optimus transformation.

I'm very happy to see a COE Optimus sans a stupid hot rod flame paintjob

Too bad we're still getting that crappy Camaro Bee, and that he's probably still a main character. If they have to include him, I REALLY hope they at least finally drop that "Bee doesn't have a voice" crap

transformers_va wrote:Too bad we're still getting that crappy Camaro Bee, and that he's probably still a main character. If they have to include him, I REALLY hope they at least finally drop that "Bee doesn't have a voice" crap

You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do that

transformers_va wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do that

Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.

Sabrblade wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do that

Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.

Not enough people credit Spielberg with that, they'd rather just blame bay

Interesting that he's parked next to red and white vans. I doubt that's a coincidence, but it's probably more of an Easter egg than confirmation of Ratchet and Ironhide being in the movie, maybe.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.

Yes, he was most definitely around, granted not in the same shining spotlight that he is now

I don't understand the focus he gets these days.. he was a crappy character in G1, and is still a crappy character (even worse is he's lost his Bug charm, and is now a POS Camaro). I don't recall anyone in the 80s saying, "Man, Bee is my favourite character"... almost EVERY character was cooler/better than he was

transformers_va wrote:Yes, he was most definitely around, granted not in the same shining spotlight that he is now

Oh? Where was he during Beast Wars? Beast Machines? Robots in Disguise '01? Armada? Energon? Cybertron? As in, where the brand's main focus was before the movies.

transformers_va wrote:I don't understand the focus he gets these days.. he was a crappy character in G1, and is still a crappy character (even worse is he's lost his Bug charm, and is now a POS Camaro). I don't recall anyone in the 80s saying, "Man, Bee is my favourite character"... almost EVERY character was cooler/better than he was

Simple. Spielberg wanted a mascot, a focal kid-appeal character for his "A boy and his car" premise for the first movie, one that they could milk for all its worth in a foolhardy attempt to recapture the magic of E.T.'s whimsical appeal. Since the kid in the movie was gonna be named Witwicky, they chose the name of the Autobot who was the original Witwicky boy's best friend.

I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

ZeroWolf wrote:This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

THIS is the movie that pulled me back into Transformers. I'm a 1980's child but it's the 2007 Bay movie that kicked me "THIS IS SPARTA" style into the TF Rabbit Hole.

And I'm pretty damn sure I'm not the only one.

Sabrblade wrote:

Simple. Spielberg wanted a mascot, a focal kid-appeal character for his "A boy and his car" premise for the first movie, one that they could milk for all its worth in a foolhardy attempt to recapture the magic of BABY WEE WEE. whimsical appeal.[/quote]


Fixed it XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuTJC84yekw

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

Really? So are you saying that it was specifically the Bay movies that did this, or could it be that the Transformers already have a huge fanbase, and any movies would have done this?

transformers_va wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

Really? So are you saying that it was specifically the Bay movies that did this, or could it be that the Transformers already have a huge fanbase, and any movies would have done this?

I don't think that the fanbase was that huge before 2007. It was pretty nice, but it could have been bigger. Then the 2007 movie happened and it was MAGICAL enough to revitalise the franchise into a new prosperity, like Beast Wars did back then.

Hasbro tried it a few more times for other brands like GI Joe but they couldn't recreate what the 2007 Bay movie did.

I find hilarious that to this day, there's still "Bay haters" who just refuse to acknowledge this fact.

blackeyedprime wrote:Fixed it XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuTJC84yekw

Well, since you're the one who finds "whimsical appeal" in that toy, who am I to stop you from liking it?

-Kanrabat- wrote:I don't think that the fanbase was that huge before 207. It was pretty nice, but it could have been bigger. Then the 2007 movie happened and it was MAGICAL enough to revitalise the franchise into a new prosperity, like Beast Wars did back then.

Yes, it's inevitable that with new generations of ppl being born, the fanbase grew, but hard to judge due to the infancy of the internet. It's interesting that the site we're on was created -7 years BEFORE Bayverse

-Kanrabat- wrote:Hasbro tried it a few more times for other brands like GI Joe but they couldn't recreate what the 2007 Bay movie did.

Again, can be attributed to the existing fanbase, not Bay specifically

-Kanrabat- wrote:I find hilarious that to this day, there's still "Bay haters" who just refuse to acknowledge this fact.

Because it's NOT a fact

A few reasons I dislike (not hate) Bayverse:

• No real character developmemt
• More focus on humans than the Transformers
• Pathetic robot design (I’m from a highly intelligent robot species, but don’t have feet?!?! see below) Many times can't even make out where the robot's head actually is located
• Using existing character's names, just because you like them, with complete disregard to the existing fans.. ya know, the ones who fucking supported the franchise BEFORE Bay

I'm a brillo pad:


I've got no feet:

Are the movies garbage?
Yes.
Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?
Yes.
Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
Also yes.

Checkmate atheist.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the movies garbage?
Yes.
Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?
Yes.
Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
Also yes.

Checkmate atheist.

Gonna have to agree with this one

-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?

Hahaha can't/won't disagree on this

-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the movies garbage?

There were some redeeming qualities, so I can't agree that they were complete garbage.. but they could have been a million times better than Bay

-Kanrabat- wrote:Did the movies brought more fans than ever?

Can't say that for certain, unless you have the metrics of before and after.. again hard because of the internet's infancy

-Kanrabat- wrote:Did the movies brought more fans than ever?

Can't say that for certain, unless you have the metrics of before and after.. again hard because of the internet's infancy[/quote]

How about using toy sales figures as the metrics?

I've always been a model kit builder, into Gundam, Macross and Sci-Fi (Star Wars, etc.) But TF? I stopped collecting after G1 because I stopped watching TF shows on TV. But I've always know about new TF toys because I read Japanese toy mags for decades, never took enough an interest. Too "kid-focus" in appearance.

The Bay movies brought me back interest in buying TF toys however. Not because they look cool (took me around DOTM to appreciate its "mechanical alien" look, not because they look anything like the G1 I loved), but because of the complex engineering in the toys - that Leader class OP completely sold me over.

So I'm sure Bayverse brought back a LOT of people like me that grew up and stopped collecting and back into hard-core fans again. Just like Marvel/DC movieverse, how many moviegoers actually kept buying their comics but because of the movies, their IP turned into media jugernauts that they are today? Just look at the market penetration TF got now vs. pre-Bay.

I understand and agree that the Bay movies' are mostly crap in its storytelling and juvenile jokes & sexism, stupid bot designs and whathaveyou for most long-time fans. But in terms of bring back or creating new fans, and toy buyers, the contribution is immense. That's worth *something* for Hasbro right?

Very clean end mean look. Quite cool.

As for new fans due to Bay my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were (I only watched it due to laika). I subjected him to 07 at imax but realised I didn't want him watching that kinda crap as a lot of it was inappropriate (and pretty much got worse). He did however really enjoy prime which is kinda baynus based though he favors armada/energon. There's been plenty of media to bring in new fans since g1 and that will continue even if the live actions continue to be terrible but the baynus approach lost a lot of fans too and some of them might never find their way back.

blackeyedprime wrote:As for new fans due to Bay my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were (I only watched it due to laika). I subjected him to 07 at imax but realised I didn't want him watching that kinda crap as a lot of it was inappropriate (and pretty much got worse). He did however really enjoy prime which is kinda baynus based though he favors armada/energon. There's been plenty of media to bring in new fans since g1 and that will continue even if the live actions continue to be terrible but the baynus approach lost a lot of fans too and some of them might never find their way back.

Being a fan doesn't have to be "all of nothing", does it? I don't enjoy the Bay movies, but I buy the movie toys because I love the engineering of them. I actually enjoy the looks of the Bayverse toys more than the on-screen junk metals because the engineering/transforming have to physically makes sense. And that's what Bay gave me specifically - the joy of handling toys with intricate transformation (at least until DOTM). Compare that to the Generations line. The engineering/design philosophies of these 2 lines are very different, and I appreciate both.

I don't understand why people have to "never find their way back" to the TF franchise because of a few dumb, terrible, extremely bad movies. Don't be like those "GIVE ME MY 2 HOURS BACK!!!!!! I WOULD RATE IT 0/10 on IMDB IF I CAN!" crowd. That 2 hours to me are never THAT important to begin with it if I'm going to the movies (vs., say, R&D on robotics). I never have high expectations for popcorn blockbusters. I just laugh it off rather than get too angry with those crap, just not worth getting high blood pressure over.

Circling back to my original question.

TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.
Why walk away from it all because of the movies?

Besides, Hasbro smart enough to never put all their eggs into one basket. It's perfectly fine to never touch any Bay-related movies & toys. But Generations (aka "The Good Stuff" for me) never stopped during the Bay era. Why "never find their way back" when something good like the Generations toy line is worth collecting? That's sad to me.

Cloudballon, I couldn't have said it better myself.

cloudballoon wrote:TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.

The toys rely HEAVILY on the media, whether it be movies, TV, comics, video games, etc., so to disassociate doesn't make sense. When crappy movies are actually turning fans away from the franchise, that is a problem that Hasbro should not ignore. I want to see Transformers continue for decades and generations to come, and it annoys me that stupid Hollywood/Hasbro decision making puts that into jeopardy

transformers_va wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.

The toys rely HEAVILY on the media, whether it be movies, TV, comics, video games, etc., so to disassociate doesn't make sense. When crappy movies are actually turning fans away from the franchise, that is a problem that Hasbro should not ignore. I want to see Transformers continue for decades and generations to come, and it annoys me that stupid Hollywood/Hasbro decision making puts that into jeopardy

However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.

Proof is in the MONEY.

-Kanrabat- wrote:However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.

Proof is in the MONEY.

I agree, proof is definitely in the money. Transformers (2007) brought in roughly 320 million in North America, but fell to roughly 130 million for TLK.. doesn't strike me as "a minority of a minority"

transformers_va wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.

Proof is in the MONEY.

I agree, proof is definitely in the money. Transformers (2007) brought in roughly 320 million in North America, but fell to roughly 130 million for TLK.. doesn't strike me as "a minority of a minority"

Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?

Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies

transformers_va wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?

Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies

That wasn't the discussion since at least 20 posts and you know it.

-Kanrabat- wrote:That wasn't the discussion since at least 20 posts and you know it.

If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.

Thankfully Travis' Bumblebee started turning that around, but that uptick will doubtlessly be reversed if Lorenzo's comment about TF7 is correct ("We wanna deliver a film that has the scale and spectacle of the Bay films")

I wish they'd take a cue from Hasbro's CEO, when he stated "[Bumblebee] is successfully introducing Transformers to a new generation of kids and re-engaging our core fans around the world" <!-- keywords being "re-engaging our core fans"

Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did. Doesn't matter how cool the toys are unfortunately for some if the media's ended their fandom. Star wars is lucky that the mandnocannonlorian pulled some fans back. Safe to assume wfc and ss86 has for Tf too. I like giant robots so I'll buy the odd baynus bot despite my mind and wallet telling me it could have gone on a figure from media I like.
My sons pretty much only got eyes on my master made Tf stuff when I pop my cloggs though I'm sure some other stuff will make it onto his shelves too by that point.

blackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.

100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucas

blackeyedprime wrote:..my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were"

As a longtime fan of Transformers, this is heartbreaking.. hopefully he'll see it one day, and realise that the Bay movies were (hopefully) an anomaly

transformers_va wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.

100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucas

And I feel awful for the generation that was introduced to Star Wars via Lucas prequel trilogy. (The generation I was introduced to it)

Seriously Star Wars movies are entertaining but there's only like 2-3 of the films that were actually "good", at least by the "high class" standards people have today.