In Hand Images of Power of the Primes Cindersaur, Inferno and Outback from Australia Toy Fair

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.

Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?

Yes , or no?

Here's CW Cyclonus, the 'Hun-Grr' configuration. All that's really missing are the heads attached to the feet and the swiveling forelegs added to the robot 'hips'. Looks like Silverbolt to me...

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.

Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?

Yes , or no?

Yes. He shares engineering with Silverbolt, certainly. But shared engineering =/= retool. Retool = sharing some of the actual toolings. And from the looks of it, Hun-Grr uses a brand-new set of molds.

If you start equating designed from scratch with made from scratch and calling figures retools just because of shared engineering, then by that logic Robot Masters BW Megatron for example is a retool of the Ultra-class BW Megatron. Or Legends-class Leobreaker is a retool of the Voyager-class one. Or certain CHUG figures are "retools" of the G1 toys. Which is a ridiculous notion, yet as far as I can make out that's your logic.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: Which is a ridiculous notion, yet as far as I can make out that's your logic.

It is not my logic, it is the only definition we have on the matter:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

With computer aided drawings, the meaning of a mold has changed. Designers can go back to a technical drawing and change it. It is changing the mold digitally, which means it can most definitely still be seen as retooling elements.

Hasbro has just confirmed that this toy is not made from scratch, so it is not a fully new toy.

DeathReviews wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.

Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?

Yes , or no?

Here's CW Cyclonus, the 'Hun-Grr' configuration. All that's really missing are the heads attached to the feet and the swiveling forelegs added to the robot 'hips'. Looks like Silverbolt to me...

Anyone care to try that with a different toy altogether? Any figure with proper arm and leg articulation will do. Hell, Legends Scourge did just that

Let's just all agree that:

1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's

Whether or not it qualifies to be called a retool shouldn't really matter as long as both points are at least acknowledged.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's just all agree that:

1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's
.

I have always agreed with that. Though I do believe that he is based on the silver bolt mold. And Hasbro did confirm that at Toy fair, according to TFW.

There are design elements that match up simply perfectly, like the robot mode forearms, like they took the existing design and worked around it very closely.

Edit: the actual quote was "uses silver bolt tech", so basically what we've have been saying all along just finally confirmed.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's just all agree that:

1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's
.

I have always agreed with that. Though I do believe that he is based on the silver bolt mold. And Hasbro did confirm that at Toy fair, according to TFW.

There are design elements that match up simply perfectly, like the robot mode forearms, like they took the existing design and worked around it very closely.

I agree that Silverbolt's engineering was used as a starting point, that's all there is really, with all parts being new designs, but that remains a sticking point for most it seems. A lot of figures have taken cues or even exact engineering from other releases, Hun-Gurrr falls well within that group. I will freely admit that had he a good amount of part designs in common with Silverbolt, he'd have been bumped up to part sharing, among the likes of Blurr & Chromedome, or Slag & Sludge

Speaking of Hun-Gurrr:



Is that his Enigma and feet I spy with Inferno?

Why does this retool debate keep popping up? We all agree on the facts, it’s just what you want to call a retool, which really should be ‘to each his own’.

Anyone mind telling me where I’ve seen Inferno’s packaging art chestplate before? Is it MtMtE Grapple?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's just all agree that:

1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's
.

I have always agreed with that. Though I do believe that he is based on the silver bolt mold. And Hasbro did confirm that at Toy fair, according to TFW.

There are design elements that match up simply perfectly, like the robot mode forearms, like they took the existing design and worked around it very closely.

I agree that Silverbolt's engineering was used as a starting point, that's all there is really, with all parts being new designs, but that remains a sticking point for most it seems. A lot of figures have taken cues or even exact engineering from other releases, Hun-Gurrr falls well within that group. I will freely admit that had he a good amount of part designs in common with Silverbolt, he'd have been bumped up to part sharing, among the likes of Blurr & Chromedome, or Slag & Sludge

Speaking of Hun-Gurrr:



Is that his Enigma and feet I spy with Inferno?

Yeah, it looks like the same molds for "feet" Prime armor and the enigma (but not with pinkish colors!), no doubt. I finally transformed Hun-Gurrr -- he looks pretty cool. But so did the original....but as my first incarnation of the character, I'm happy.

MagicDeath wrote:Why does this retool debate keep popping up? We all agree on the facts, it’s just what you want to call a retool, which really should be ‘to each his own’.

AMEN!

Anyone mind telling me where I’ve seen Inferno’s packaging art chestplate before? Is it MtMtE Grapple?

While the toy itself is based on Hot Spot, the art is based on his retool Onslaught.

MagicDeath wrote:Why does this retool debate keep popping up? We all agree on the facts, it’s just what you want to call a retool, which really should be ‘to each his own’.

Anyone mind telling me where I’ve seen Inferno’s packaging art chestplate before? Is it MtMtE Grapple?

Because pointlessly arguing things and wasting your time is what fans do. Now allow me to waste my time to pointlessly lecture people about pointlessly arguing things!

I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

It should be an even split with 2 of Nova/Firestar(who looks stuppid to me ), 2 of Darkwing, 2 of Slug, and 2 of Jazz per case

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

IIRC, Firestar, Blackwing, Slag/Slug and Rippersnapper.

AFTRHR wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

IIRC, Firestar, Blackwing, Slag/Slug and Rippersnapper.

You're right on that. My bad

Hotconvoy wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

It should be an even split with 2 of Nova/Firestar(who looks stuppid to me ), 2 of Darkwing, 2 of Slug, and 2 of Jazz per case

Jazz is in Wave 3, Wave 4 gets Rippersnapper instead.

AFTRHR wrote:

Hotconvoy wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

It should be an even split with 2 of Nova/Firestar(who looks stuppid to me ), 2 of Darkwing, 2 of Slug, and 2 of Jazz per case

Jazz is in Wave 3, Wave 4 gets Rippersnapper instead.

Thanks all! I do wonder if Moonracer will get a repack in Wave 3. She's only one a case in Wave 2, and that makes me worried she'll be vanishingly scarce.

It's the same with swoop, he's only in wave 1 (actually is dreadwind getting a repack? Seems odd that blackwing is without his partner)

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I agree that Silverbolt's engineering was used as a starting point, that's all there is really, with all parts being new designs, but that remains a sticking point for most it seems. A lot of figures have taken cues or even exact engineering from other releases, Hun-Gurrr falls well within that group. I will freely admit that had he a good amount of part designs in common with Silverbolt, he'd have been bumped up to part sharing, among the likes of Blurr & Chromedome, or Slag & Sludge

I think the reason its a sticking point is because these are Transformers toys and the technoloical aspect of the transformation is what seperates these toys from all other action figures. So to have that core aspect of a new toy based directly off of a toy that we have already seen a lot of can become quite a blow. The G1 toys for Scatershot, Silverbolt and Hun Gurrr are all completely unique from one another so to have all three share the same engineering 30 years later is a bit of a step back. Espcially with Hun Gurr bein released so much later. The puzzle aspect is an important one and its always more fun to get some surprises rather than to already know exactly how a certain mode will be achieved. I am not a fan of the POTP Leader Prime or Voyager Starscream but I did very much enjoy the transformation aspect of both (even though some results themselves were lacking).

Thats why it may be seen as a bigger offense than simply giving a toy the same knee/hand/hip/gun another already had. If the transformation aspect is still unique regardless of the shared part, I dont think it matters much.

Thats what i see.

I just want to say I appreciate the extra bit of brown paint on the arms/alt mode sides of Outback not found on the CGI render. Say what you want about the lack of original Takara Tomy decos, the Hasbro has really been stepping up their game with POTP. Hopefully if they really do drop stickers from WFC we'll end up with something somewhat more premium looking with the larger figures, too.

Emerje

Bummed that the Inferno paint scheme makes fudging him as a G2 Hot Spot a little more difficult. Still holding out a shred of hope for a legit box set.

As for the Dinobot box set, I'm praying it's G2. I'd buy that in a heartbeat to go with Superion, Bruticus & Menasor. I hope they follow through for us completionists out here.

gothsaurus wrote:As for the Dinobot box set, I'm praying it's G2. I'd buy that in a heartbeat to go with Superion, Bruticus & Menasor. I hope they follow through for us completionists out here.

It's more likely not a boxed set at all and instead just ToyWiz bundling together the individual Dinobots as a single overpriced offer.

Why you gotta rain on my G2 parade, Sabrblade??

Wow a lot happened this weekend. just weighing in....I really hope that Volcanicus listing on ToyWiz is just a bundle. As someone who so desperately wanted a box set originally, and waited patiently for to announce their plans, and once disappointment set it, decided to just purchase the standard releases, this would definitely be a slap in the face.

Also I'm still holding out hope (yeah disappointment I know...), for some new deluxe limbs to complete the Voyagers we have now. As of now, Both Starscream & Elita-1 will be armless, and Inferno will not only be armless, but basically a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.

C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...

I mean I feel the case on more to wave 4 cannot be totally closed. There should be 3 or 4 more Prime Masters revealed. That should not count out the possibility of a couple more new deluxes hopefully as well. Hasbro did say that PotP would end in 2018, but they also said that there would be a few more surprises in the line (Assuming more than just May Mayhems Blastoff and Repugnus)...

Still no signs of any wave 2 anything in my area past the quick flash we got a couple weeks back. The walmarts in my area are clearancing the heck out of TLK, which is good (deluxes are now $7.00). Get that stuff off the shelves.

gothsaurus wrote:Why you gotta rain on my G2 parade, Sabrblade??

Better the rain to come and be done with sooner than for it to pour all over and ruin your flourished hopes and dreams at the moment of truth later.

Agreed, OSupreme, I can't imagine leaving us all hanging with 2/3 of a Seeker combiner and a Femmebot combiner... and just a torso for Inferno... (Though I suppose you could infer that Jazz was intended for him.) I'd love a Sideswipe and a Silver/black Bluestreak and a slightly different (maybe G2) deco Ratchet to work on rounding out that combiner.

As for the two former, we all know the unused femmebots. And for Starscream… either Buster & Hydra or Thundercracker & Skywarp would be primo.

From there, onward to Dinoking, Liokaiser (Takara style), and Monstructor!

I'd be perfectly ok with putting Jazz with Elita-1's team if they decided to skip out on the Inferno Voyager

Not me man!!! It's all girl team... or NUTHIN'!!

gothsaurus wrote:Not me man!!! It's all girl team... or NUTHIN'!!

Repurpose it as female Jazz, short for "Jazzmine".

Hydra and buster? I think you'll be waiting a long long time for that my friend

o.supreme wrote:C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...
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But didn't they leave us with incomplete combiners in the CW mainline too?

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...
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But didn't they leave us with incomplete combiners in the CW mainline too?

Just the Torsos Ultra Prime, Galvatronus and Betatron, but the main thing with them was that dedicated limbs was never started with them. Once they're started, they have to be finished, no exceptions.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...
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But didn't they leave us with incomplete combiners in the CW mainline too?

If you only count the releases yes. Optimus Prime & Cyclonus did not have dedicated teams per say. But combining with UW, club, & con exclusives, it all worked out perfectly.

For Hydra and Buster, I'd be wagering that those would be some sort of Takara store exclusive or such... not for main line.

And as for 'incomplete' gestalts, you can see in the past that they have at least had a game plan. Some torsos were clearly meant as extras (like I'm expecting for Inferno) while others were well-planned-out full figures, like I'm hoping for the femmebots. That's such a clear theme of girls in pastel colors... I can't imagine them not finishing that out eventually.

I think some of these combiners may end up getting filled in the next few lines (none of the needed ladies have earth alt modes after all)

Autobot N wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

John Warden and his team are known for not liking Beast Wars. Why in the world would they rig a vote in favor of a character they didn't want to make? Plus, with the aura of mystery and the wild-card thing, it was pretty obvious they wanted Deathsaurus to win. As for votes, it's easy to explain Primal's victory. The G1 vote was split between 3 different characters (Magnus, SS, and Deathsaurus), whereas Beast Wars fans could all unite behind a single character.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

Or maybe they had done design work on all 3, and just continued working on the one that won. I find it hard to believe that Trypticon was always planned to be the second TR titan, since both Omega and Scorponok would have made more sense in a Headmaster-oriented line.

So Originally I voted for Arcee to become the leader, as I wanted to see what they could do with her. If I remember correctly she didn't even make it past the first round of votes, but If she had, I voted for her again. On the last set of votes, I voted for Primal since out of the characters I saw, he was the one I liked the best as far as characters went.

I believe there was an article on year a while ago explaining the surfboard for Optimal Optimus. As I recall, they couldn't figure out how to make Primal fit the gimmick with the smaller one before a gorilla, so they ended up making him into the surfboard, which is supposed to be a cybertronian cargo transport as far as the transformation from Primal is supposed to go.

my question is, can you transformer the combined Optimal into his jet and truck modes. I use those terms loosely here.

Rodimus Knight wrote:my question is, can you transformer the combined Optimal into his jet and truck modes. I use those terms loosely here.

You may be able to finagle something resembling a jet by straightening out the arms and collapsing the legs, but no truck mode due to the lack of wheels, working or not.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:my question is, can you transformer the combined Optimal into his jet and truck modes. I use those terms loosely here.

You may be able to finagle something resembling a jet by straightening out the arms and collapsing the legs, but no truck mode due to the lack of wheels, working or not.

During the hacon coverage, the cgi renders showed off multiple views of the official flight mode, so, it's there, they just haven't shown it at conventions, as it would require a third prototype/production model.

Gotta say, massively let down by condersaur. The colors are garish and wash away all detail, and the fact that they didn't retool any part of her is pretty lame. As it is, Slash feels so much more elegant and polished than cindersaur is looking to be.

Outback looks pretty cool, I wasn't into brawn, but outback's face is pretty cool loooking, so, I might try a snag him if I see him.

Inferno is a massive disappointment, they should have just slapped a new name onto him for all he actually looks like g1 inferno
Have to skip him on principle as they didn't bother to retool his lame ass combiner head

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta say, massively let down by condersaur. The colors are garish and wash away all detail, and the fact that they didn't retool any part of her is pretty lame. As it is, Slash feels so much more elegant and polished than cindersaur is looking to be.

The robot head's been switched out, which is standard for Legends Class. And no clear plastic to worry about.

I totally get what you guys are saying now. Yes, there is a major difference between an extra torso (or an extra limb) and an incomplete combiner. The way I see it, all hasbro set out to do with combiners here was give us more mix and match possibilities (made evident by not having complete combiners coming out in the same wave unlike what they themselves said they should do) with the main intention to give us the most urgent toys left like the Dinobots, Abominus and Predaking, in a shorter line while waiting to unveil their brand new trilogy. But yeah, what would be the use of giving us an Elita 1 torso and not giving her all the limbs to go with her, it is odd. Thats a totally new mold that wont have a dedicatd team.

Technically, Will is correct here. We had incomplete combiners in CW. If you only include Hasbro releases (which includes exclusives/May Mayhem) you have the following:

Deluxes:
6 Waves of 4 Deluxe figures each = 24
3 "New Character" Boxsets (Computron, Victorion, Liokaiser) with 4 new Deluxe figures each = 12
3 May Mayhem exclusives = 3

39 Separate Deluxe Characters. Enough for

Voyagers
9 Primary Release (8 if you decide Battle Core OP is the same as regular OP)
3 Boxset Release

12 Total. Deluxes needed = 48



Now for those of you suggesting that we need to include the TFSS/FubPub figures (I personally do NOT), here is what I see:
FunPub
8 Deluxe (4 with Predacus + Unit 3 + Medix + Ratchet + Terrorsaur), 7 if you decide Ratchet/Medix are the same character
1 Voyager

TFSS
9 Deluxe (6 series 4, 3 Series 5)
2 Voyager (1 in each of 4 and 5)

That brings us to 55/56 deluxes (56 if Medix is a separate character). Enough for either 14 combiners or 13 with 3 leftover limbs

And we have 15 distinct voyagers. Again, the only way the math works is if you stipulate that Battle Core OP is not a separate distinct version, and that Medix is a separate distinct version (even though the differences between the OPs and the Ratchet versions sways in favor of OP).


TL;DR: You can complete the sets however you choose, but the Hasbro produced line had mismatching sets. Personally, the subscription figures and the FunPub figures were just not worth the ridiculous prices.

My hope is that Has/Tak gives us an even number of distinct combiner limb figures by the end of this line (including exclusives/sets). At the very least it means I can have several complete combiners, and toss some different feet on LG-42.

mordhelm wrote:Technically, Will is correct here. We had incomplete combiners in CW. If you only include Hasbro releases (which includes exclusives/May Mayhem) you have the following:

Deluxes:
6 Waves of 4 Deluxe figures each = 24
3 "New Character" Boxsets (Computron, Victorion, Liokaiser) with 4 new Deluxe figures each = 12
3 May Mayhem exclusives = 3

39 Separate Deluxe Characters. Enough for

Voyagers
9 Primary Release (8 if you decide Battle Core OP is the same as regular OP)
3 Boxset Release

12 Total. Deluxes needed = 48



Now for those of you suggesting that we need to include the TFSS/FubPub figures (I personally do NOT), here is what I see:
FunPub
8 Deluxe (4 with Predacus + Unit 3 + Medix + Ratchet + Terrorsaur), 7 if you decide Ratchet/Medix are the same character
1 Voyager

TFSS
9 Deluxe (6 series 4, 3 Series 5)
2 Voyager (1 in each of 4 and 5)

That brings us to 55/56 deluxes (56 if Medix is a separate character). Enough for either 14 combiners or 13 with 3 leftover limbs

And we have 15 distinct voyagers. Again, the only way the math works is if you stipulate that Battle Core OP is not a separate distinct version, and that Medix is a separate distinct version (even though the differences between the OPs and the Ratchet versions sways in favor of OP).


TL;DR: You can complete the sets however you choose, but the Hasbro produced line had mismatching sets. Personally, the subscription figures and the FunPub figures were just not worth the ridiculous prices.

My hope is that Has/Tak gives us an even number of distinct combiner limb figures by the end of this line (including exclusives/sets). At the very least it means I can have several complete combiners, and toss some different feet on LG-42.

My system isn't perfect, requires a couple *cheats* perhaps. But I consider a new/distinct figure if any plastic parts are different, and if its clearly a new character. To me UW Cyclonus & CW are the same(despite different coloring), whereas all 3 Scattershots are unique (CW single release, CW box set, and UW box set), since they all contain different molding.


Here's my grand plan which is 90% complete...accounts for all complete combiners with *technically* no duplication...

11- UW Sets
6 - CW Sets (G2 Sup, G2 Men, G2 Brut, Victorion, CW Computron, LioKaiser)
2 - TFCC -Thunder Mayhem & Wreckage
2 - Botcon Predacus & Magnaboss
1 - TFCC/Botcon Hybrid Modulus
1 - UW EX Grand Scourge (With CW Offroad, Botcon 2016 Terrorsaur CW Blastoff & CW Vortex)
1 - CW Optimus Maximus (With Alpha Bravo, Smokescreen, BC 2016 Marvel Ratchet, BC 2016 G2 Ratchet)


Total= 24 Combiners (12 Good and 12 Evil) -The only discrepancy being that Devastator slightly tips the balance in favor of the Decepticons due to his size not scaling with all the others.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta say, massively let down by condersaur. The colors are garish and wash away all detail, and the fact that they didn't retool any part of her is pretty lame. As it is, Slash feels so much more elegant and polished than cindersaur is looking to be.

The robot head's been switched out, which is standard for Legends Class. And no clear plastic to worry about.

I'll be, it actually was retooled, I just couldn't tell, cuz the face wasn't changed, just the helmet

o.supreme wrote: whereas all 3 Scattershots are unique (CW single release, CW box set, and UW box set), since they all contain different molding.

They do? I didnt know that.

The UW differences are more obvious. The differences between the CW Single Release and CW Box set release are so minute that I wasn't even planning on getting the single release, until I saw the specs for Modulus .

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote: whereas all 3 Scattershots are unique (CW single release, CW box set, and UW box set), since they all contain different molding.

They do? I didnt know that.

They do not. Mold-wise, CW and box set Scattershot have the same molding i.e. the Silverbolt robot parts. UW Scattershot has robot mode parts retooled:



From l. to r.: CW standalone, CW box set, UW box set
Transformers Unite Warriors Scattershot Gallery

o.supreme wrote:I'd be perfectly ok with putting Jazz with Elita-1's team if they decided to skip out on the Inferno Voyager

I think that works for me. I always pictured Jazz as a ladies man....or bot. He could sweet talk his way onto the team...turn on the radio & play some smooth....Jazz music....then CW Wheeljack walks in & completely combiner blocks Jazz & the fembots all walk away.

You knopw, there's been a weird thing going on with the CW and TR stuff, especially with the Hasbro vs Takara stuff, or rather show accuracy vs toy accuracy. Was that really a 'thing' that people got bothered? Is that important to the 'identity' and design of a toy? Like I know it popped up a bit when the Dinobots got revealed.

You have no idea, it was and still is a bugbear to certain fans who have their collecting styles. You should have seen the ruckus over TR blur vs legends blur (then again the tr line originally had a similar situation when it revealed that they were making characters that weren't headmaster's into headmasters)

I may be overgeneralizing here, but it seems fans in Japan tend to prefer animated series accurate toys, North America seems to be split 50/50, and UK fans seem to prefer comic accurate toys. Not sure about those in other countries, but if anyone wants to weigh in, feel free. I myself prefer toys based on the animated series, thus the reason why I was very much drawn to , with the last 2 lines, prior to the *unification* under PotP.