In hand Images of TFSS Shattered Glass Starscream, Toxitron and Counterpunch

This Starscream is now my first and probably will be my only SG figure, but more importantly my only Grumpy Starscream. His expression makes me think he's smelled something really bad, possibly Toxitron?

Deliverence wrote:This Starscream is now my first and probably will be my only SG figure, but more importantly my only Grumpy Starscream. His expression makes me think he's smelled something really bad, possibly Toxitron?

Youmight own more than one, do you have any of these officially repurposed figures?


Astrotrain
(Timelines Astrotrain)
Bludgeon
(Robots in Disguise Bludgeon)
Bombshell
(Salvo)
Darkwind
(Robot Masters Gigant Bomb)
Demolishor
(Armada Powerlinx Demolishor)
Dreadwind
(Robot Masters Smokesniper)
Fasttrack
(Cybertron)
Gutcruncher
("Movie" Signal Flare)
Kickback
(Shothole)
Predaking
(Classics Nightscream)
Ravage
(Glit)
Ravage from the future!
(Transmetal Tigatron)
Scourge
(Timelines Sweep)
Soundwave
(Music Label Soundwave "Sonic White")
Stonecruncher
(Astro-Hook)
Submarauder
(Astro-Sinker)
Tailwind
(Astro-Line)
(thumbnail)
Alpha Trion
(BotCon 2007 Alpha Trion)
Arcee
("Movie" Elita-One)
Beachcomber
("Movie" Hardtop)
Big Daddy
("Movie" Big Daddy)
Brawn
("Movie" Strongarm)
Camshaft
(Universe Camshaft)
Crosshairs
("Movie" Warpath)
Drench
(Generation 2 Drench)
Elita-One
(Override GTS)
Groove
(Ransack GTS)
Huffer
("Movie" Armorhide)
Holepunch
(X-Dimension Makeshift)
Jetfire
(Dark Skyfire)
Mirage
(Henkei! Henkei! Mirage)
Nightstick
(X-Dimension Prowl)
Perceptor
(Magnificus)
Pinpointer
(X-Dimension Firebot)
Scoop
("Movie" Grindcore)
Seaspray
("Movie" Storm Surge)
Side Burn
(Universe Side Burn)
Star Saber
("Movie" Skyblast)
Superion
(Micromaster Sixwing)
Ultra Magnus
(Universe Ultra Magnus)
Wheeljack
(Timelines Slice)
Wireless Automated Sales Person
(Elite Guard Bumblebee)
Dinobot
(Universe Dinobot)
Jetstorm
(Beast Machines Jetstorm)
Rattrap
(Metals Rattle Special Version)
Scorponok
(BotCon 1999 Sandstorm)
Tarantulas
("Fox Kids" Transmetal Tarantulas)
Terrorsaur
(Lazorbeak)
Waspinator
(Mudfighter)

william-james88 wrote:Youmight own more than one, do you have any of these officially repurposed figures?

That's quite a list so I'm not going to quote it, but the answer is nope. I own none of those! I own very few club/botcon figures. Some of those I do wish I owned though, perhaps one day, SG Starscream will not be all grumpy and alone.

Deliverence wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Youmight own more than one, do you have any of these officially repurposed figures?

That's quite a list so I'm not going to quote it, but the answer is nope. I own none of those! I own very few club/botcon figures. Some of those I do wish I owned though, perhaps one day, SG Starscream will not be all grumpy and alone.

Just in case it wasnt all clear, the figures I quoted are not from the club, they are other releases, some mainline (like Universe Dinobot and Cybertron Ransack) which the Club used in their stories to repurpose as SG characters.

Like this toy is SG Groove:






So in the end, you might have more Shattered Glass figures than you think

Just got home, I've got the cards.

Did they make any other SG combiner characters, otherwise this guy is really going to be lonely.

Got my box today!

Gotta backpedal on screamer a step or two. While I still feel like there coulda been better choices for a combiner limb than a random SG guy, this is a GORGEOUS Deco and I love it. Gotta repurpose him somehow.

I widh Toxi didntbhave that puddy green for the edges of the fr9nt cab. I fuess thats the "unpaintable" plastic and they tried to match colors, but it looks outta place in pictures. When I get mine out though, maybe it'll be better in person

Rodimus Knight wrote:Did they make any other SG combiner characters, otherwise this guy is really going to be lonely.

Nope. This is just a parting nod to one of FunPubs big identifiable arcs and a one-off. SG predated Combiner Wars by a lot of years.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Did they make any other SG combiner characters, otherwise this guy is really going to be lonely.

Yes, SG Combiner Ratchet

Flashwave wrote:Got my box today!

Gotta backpedal on screamer a step or two. While I still feel like there coulda been better choices for a combiner limb than a random SG guy, this is a GORGEOUS Deco and I love it. Gotta repurpose him somehow.

CW Redwing? Or CW Jetfire (he started out as a decepticon)

Wait... so SS Starscream can "operate independently" in either limb mode.... does that mean he can be a line flying arm or leg? That's pretty cool now that I type it...

Two things:
SG Starscream's recommended combiner

Toxitron's chest insignia

Man... so you'd need to have both Ratchet and Medix to make that work... That just seems unlikely. I did make a custom Ratchet using a first aid and the botcon stickers. I do have a spare Scattershot and Rook laying around... I wonder what another first aid will set me back...

kurthy wrote:Two things:
SG Starscream's recommended combiner

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So...you would need 2 custom Botcon Ratchets to complete that nonsense...no thank you. I'm happy with my UW Ratchet attached to Lynx Master

SG SS will do fine replacing Bluestreak as part of Wreckage. No lonely limbs in my collection

o.supreme wrote:

kurthy wrote:Two things:
SG Starscream's recommended combiner

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Toxitron's chest insignia

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So...you would need 2 custom Botcon Ratchets to complete that nonsense...no thank you.

SG SS will do fine replacing Bluestreak as part of Wreckage. No lonely limbs in my collection

Or you could use the takara ratchet and the botcon medix...

kurthy wrote:SG Starscream's Or you could use the takara ratchet and the botcon medix...

Nah...he stays with Lynxmaster... There are no other Limbs coming out, otherwise I might be foolish enough to try this. I never picked up the individual release Scattershot, or the Botcon Build-a-Figure....I'd still need one more limb....and there's no others I don't aleady own...

Nah I have a perfect symmetry of 20 unique combiners in all (10 heroic, and 10 evil)...don't want to upset the balance.

you could go for Modulus, or if you have Cyclonus, Rook, Alpha Bravo, and Offroad handy, you can complete Galvatronus with the cons and Wreckage with the bots

I think I am STILL going to get Terrorsaur and put him on Galvatronus... SG Starscream is there until I can afford it. I want to to get all of the different Ratchets + Medix (Maybe use SG Starscream instead of Marvel Ratchet since the difference between him and G1 Ratchet doesn't mean anything to me... ) and combine those with Aky Lynx. He is JUST Sky Lynx at the moment.

I'm going to miss Funpub. I was SUPER hoping that either this secret figure, or the secret figure in the next set would be the UW Blast Off mold in NOT-disgusting colors. Give it some arbitrary name. Fast Flob... Something. I dunno.

I found a place for Scorponok in my Wreckage. Since (imo) the mold doesn't really work for him, and he doesn't seem to scale with. Anything.

Found a place for all of Impactor's excessive weaponry.


Funnily is more stable than the Blackjack mold in this position.

Got mine today, loving it! Toxitron and Counterpunch are great, and while I wasn't sold on the Shatterscream concept when I first heard about it, the execution is very nice and I can't complain about the figure itself.

Sabrblade wrote:

NOBODY LOVES WHEELIE wrote:Oooookay....who threw up on Prime?

That's Toxitron's own toxic acid that oozes and secretes from his body.

Physically, he's kinda like Meltdown from Transformers Animated. You try to touch him, you gonna get BURNED!

I'd sum up Toxitron by saying he's kind of a cross between TFA Meltdown and BW Rampage, as weird as that combination may sound.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Did they make any other SG combiner characters, otherwise this guy is really going to be lonely.

Yes, SG Combiner Ratchet

Sadly, that's from the customization class, so I don't think getting one at this point will be easy.

I think they also repurposed last year's Bluestreak so that he doubles as SG Bluestreak, if I remember what I saw on TFWiki right. But i get the feeling most of us would probably rather have him for Wreckage.

And I guess there's technically Heatwave (the Nexus Prime piece, not the Rescue Bot), but he's not the same combiner system.

Repurpose CW Alpha Bravo and Blast Off as SG Vortex and Slingshot?

mazingaspidey wrote:Wait... so SS Starscream can "operate independently" in either limb mode.... does that mean he can be a line flying arm or leg? That's pretty cool now that I type it...

I'm not sure if he can fly in limb modes, since it mentions the leg mode's jumping ability, but it doesn't say he can't either, so you can probably take it however you want.

I'm glad I have company in liking it, I was worried it'd go over like the whole Galvatronus mind control thing did...

I'm curious, other than BM and RiD Megatron (and those who share their molds), is this guy the only one to have a functional disembodied body part mode?

Nope - FoC Optimus was a fist on wheels

SG Starscream rounds out my Autobot combiners nicely:

Magnus Maximus:

Ultra Magnus (reprolabels)
SG Starscream
Wheeljack
Ratchet
Trailbreaker
Hot Rod

Optimus Maximus:

Optimus Prime
Mirage
Sunstreaker
Smokescreen
Hound

Sky Reign:

Sky Lynx
Slingshot
Air Raid
Fireflight
Skydive
Powerglide

Magnaboss:

Silverbolt
Prowl
Ironhide
Unit 3
Tigatron

And my evil Autobot:

Nova Maximus:

Nova Prime (reprolabels)
Bombshell (shoulder weapon)
Blackjack
Rook (victim of Bombshell)
Alpha Bravo (victim of Bombshell)
Offroad
Terrorsaur

Here they are, the entirety of the TFSS

I'm loving the look of Toxitron and Counterpunch With great deco and headsculpts for both Kind of a shame we never got a CW Nemesis Prime but i'll take Toxitron.i like how they'reboth given development in the recent stories with Counterpunch Having difficulties decididng which side he's really Spying for and for Toxitron .... Well we've known since Animated that Toxitron was a failed clone of Optimus and he's Big and Dumb but in this figure I see potential for a storyline where he escapes whatever captivity he is in under Shockwave and goes on a Rampage on Cybertron. As for Starscream well we've already got a SG Starscream from back in 2008 but he's an expensive convention exclusive that's probably going for heaps on the aftermarket so yeah i'll take it and BTW the Bot mode in the pic is mistransformed with the armsnot being brought up to the shoulders I do that with my UW Skydive and it makes him Strong looking soooo yeah also his jet mode deco looks kinda similar to that Legends Jetfire from 2006 (the thundercracker repaint)

Prime Target wrote:Kind of a shame we never got a CW Nemesis Prime but i'll take Toxitron.

That's who Toxitron's new head was originally made to be, but then Takara went and made UW Grand Scourge, fulfilling the need for a CW evil black Optimus Prime lookalike.

Prime Target wrote:Well we've known since Animated that Toxitron was a failed clone of Optimus and he's Big and Dumb but in this figure I see potential for a storyline where he escapes whatever captivity he is in under Shockwave and goes on a Rampage on Cybertron.

I take it you haven't read this Toxitron's story - http://www.transformersclub.com/prose/the_toxic_transformer.pdf

Zeedust wrote:

mazingaspidey wrote:Wait... so SS Starscream can "operate independently" in either limb mode.... does that mean he can be a line flying arm or leg? That's pretty cool now that I type it...

I'm not sure if he can fly in limb modes, since it mentions the leg mode's jumping ability, but it doesn't say he can't either, so you can probably take it however you want.

I'm glad I have company in liking it, I was worried it'd go over like the whole Galvatronus mind control thing did...

I'm curious, other than BM and RiD Megatron (and those who share their molds), is this guy the only one to have a functional disembodied body part mode?

I kinda dug the Galvatronus mind control thing, maybe um just weird.

I do think that this may be one of the only disembodied limb modes besides RID Megatron and BM Megatron, yes.

Ive spent the last few months pining over completing Wreckage... now I just want to put Modulus together :/

The bonus figure is a waste of space for me and I find myself wondering what awesome other nebulous thing got cut for this to happen. Oh well. Now I have a spare limb of a character no one needed a new version of.

That aside, the paint job is pretty so I'm going to go with the spirit of Shattered Glass and re-purpose this as CW Robot Masters R-Blade.

Okay, that combined sword in the Wreckage pics from earlier in the thread, I gotta ask... Is there some trick to attaching Impactor's swords to Toxitron's gun? Because when I try to do it the way it looks like they did, it feels like there's no way it can fit without breaking something.

Behind-the-scenes info about the SG Starscream toy from Randy Para (author of Screamer's bio), Pete Sinclair, and Jesse Wittenrich:

Randy:

My intention with the bio was to take most of Starscream's defining qualities and flip them 180 degrees in a manner of speaking. So instead of thinking himself as the most handsome, he is the most handsome but doesn't feel that way. Instead of wanting to replace Megatron, he is a very capable leader himself but feels Megatron is more suited, etc. Even things like his weaknesses, which got cut for room, were the opposite of Starscream's.

Original

Weaknesses: Starscream overrates himself sometimes, and finds himself in situations that are more than he can handle. His nose-dives often overload his gyro-circuitry leaving him disoriented briefly. But, overall, he is a very tough nut to crack.

SG

STARSCREAM's humility can sometimes impede missions. He often is perfectly capable of handling a situation on his own but overcompensates by planning for unnecessary reinforcements. When flying top speed at high altitudes STARSCREAM often overloads his gyro-circuitry leaving him briefly disoriented.

Adding bits about the medic (per Jesse's request) and the scientific mind, etc, certainly make him Jetfire like.

Randy:

The Null Fist comes from a holdover from another bio and my deep seeded desire to make a G Gundam reference if at all possible.

Pete

For the record, this Starscream is from the G1 Sunbow SG universe...

Randy:

If it's not apparent too, the bio is mostly meant to be silly. What with him being over the top great and handsome and all, and hopping around in leg mode all by himself.

Jesse:

It's a strange Ouroboros loop sort of thing actually since the tooling selection for CW Starscream was made a lock before the BotCon figures, but the decision to make it SG Starscream came after indications that it would be the last Club toy. (Basically the Club wanted to make the capstone figure something that undeniably had its roots in the Club's own heritage.)

The original character choice for the Starscream mold is what led to the idea to make a clear hand for Ratchet. Then the clear hand for Ratchet (specifically SG Ratchet) led to SG Starscream keeping his clear hand.

So tracing the process, it's: Starscream mold -> (SG) Ratchet -> SG Starscream

Randy:

To add to that, the original concept's bio was written back in November of 2015 (which referred to it as "Shining Fist"). With the HFG being clear going back as far as May of 2015 (something I had suggested to get some Shining Finger love).

SG Starscream's bio was written back in March of 2016, when [Jesse] stated that the HFG could still be clear, the final bio reflected that fact.

Jesse:

There was no doubt discussion and concern about making another red and white Aerialbot, but the mock up showed it was actually different enough from Skydive, Cicadacon, and Windsweeper (none of which had white) and different from Airraid since the red and white were ending up in non-Aerialbot layouts.

Also as the concept was being worked on, there was a small uptick in demand/interest in the character with fans - largely overseas to be honest - trying to find the original or lamenting about the 2ndry market price.

The latter is why I felt good about the decision (after originally being more than skeptical), and I hope that those wanting a SG Starscream can more easily get one now. Cuz I mean yeah he's the subscription only figure but yeah he's not for everyone...

Jesse:

Yeah, it's not like there wasn't an attempt to change tools... *Sniff* SG Rodimus Prime will never be... but everything was too late in the process for it to be anything other than the Seeker mold.

I missed the first TFCC Punch/Counterpunch and am really tempted to try and nab this one but as he's only Counterpunch, he feels slightly incomplete. I can't decide.

RiddlerJ wrote:I missed the first TFCC Punch/Counterpunch and am really tempted to try and nab this one but as he's only Counterpunch, he feels slightly incomplete. I can't decide.

Would it help if there was a story to tell why he's only Counterpunch now?

mazingaspidey wrote:I kinda dug the Galvatronus mind control thing, maybe um just weird.

Weird, maybe. Alone, not so much. It was a fun way to justify the borrowed limbs, plus a combiner that abducts members seems to me like it could potentially be an interesting comic/episode/whatever if somebody made use of the concept.

mazingaspidey wrote:Ive spent the last few months pining over completing Wreckage... now I just want to put Modulus together :/

...Good luck with that. You're gonna need it.

grimdragon2001 wrote:Here they are, the entirety of the TFSS

I could make that same picture minus the Thustinator. He's the only one I never got.

Sabrblade wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I missed the first TFCC Punch/Counterpunch and am really tempted to try and nab this one but as he's only Counterpunch, he feels slightly incomplete. I can't decide.

Would it help if there was a story to tell why he's only Counterpunch now?

I know there's a story, but I want a Punch/Counterpunch to fill the hole in my Generations collection especially since they have so many other year 4 characters now, his omission is even more glaring.

I may be mad... but here is [mostly] Modulus in all of his glory.

A few months back I made a custom Ratchet using a shapeways head and ordering the sticker set from ebay. I replicated the clear HFG by using a clear blue "glass acryllic" from model masters. I don't have Medix, but in putting the group together I realized what TFCC was going for and used an Alpha Bravo to even out the two fliers, two ground vehicles and all white limbs. I did some custom work to a spare Scattershot's head a while back and added a sort of chaotic wash to finish it all out. Originally designed as a unique look for Betatron, but it fits this motif better I think. Sure this belongs in the customs thread, but I think it's relevant here, let me know what you think!

Pete Sinclair has chimed in on the choosing of SG Starscream:

So, it bears repeating, we will be explaining why it was SG Starscream and not say SG Double Pretender Optimus Prime at Pete's Robot Convention. Don't want to give too much away, but had the TFSS continued it would not have been SG Starscream. Looking forward to sharing the story at the panel!

That Starscream actually looks pretty neat! I like Shattered Glass, at least in concept (certain characters aside *COUGH*Ravage*COUGH*) and he looks pretty cool like that.

Speaking of exclusive redecoes- is the Generations Drift mold worth the price? I was considering trying to track down an SG Drift as it comes with extra accessories and looks cooler IMO than regular Drift, and he isn't THAT much more expensive than a regular Drift (at least on eBay) but if the base mold isn't that good I might give it a miss.

I've never read any SG stories, but for all intents and purposes I want to keep the allegiances of my Combiners united. Is SS Starscream good or evil? I believe he is good, as I think SG takes place in an opposite universe where Decepticons are heroic and Autobots are evil...but just want to make sure. I was originally going to make him a limb for Wreckage but the white really matches well with my Op Maximus which is already composed of almost all white Transformers. Cant see any clearly discernible faction symbols from the pics...

o.supreme wrote:I've never read any SG stories, but for all intents and purposes I want to keep the allegiances of my Combiners united. Is SS Starscream good or evil? I believe he is good, as I think SG takes place in an opposite universe where Decepticons are heroic and Autobots are evil...but just want to make sure. I was originally going to make him a limb for Wreckage but the white really matches well with my Op Maximus which is already composed of almost all white Transformers. Cant see any clearly discernible faction symbols from the pics...

Yup, that's the deal with SG - your general morality swap universe. So Starscream's a humble, loyal and intelligent right-hand man to Megatron, who brings peace by thwarting tyranny

Cool. You know for all the cliche' stories, the original Transformers animated series never did the generic Universe Allegiance Swap thing, Go-Bots did though, and it was hilarious fun, I'll never forget Wen Kroy City.

Good to know SG Starscream would fit in well with *Standard* Universe Autobots, once they got past the whole *I'm from another universe please don't shoot* dialogue upon first meeting .

o.supreme wrote:Cool. You know for all the cliche' stories, the original Transformers animated series never did the generic Universe Allegiance Swap thing, Go-Bots did though, and it was hilarious fun, I'll never forget Wen Kroy City.

Good to know SG Starscream would fit in well with *Standard* Universe Autobots, once they got past the whole *I'm from another universe please don't shoot* dialogue upon first meeting .

Funny thing is, the SG universe has close contact with TFCC's Classics universe (which is a divergent timeline of Marvel G1). So there've totally been some awesome Autobot and SG Decepticon team-ups and it's something I'm a huge fan of myself!

Flashwave wrote:Got my box today!

Gotta backpedal on screamer a step or two. While I still feel like there coulda been better choices for a combiner limb than a random SG guy, this is a GORGEOUS Deco and I love it. Gotta repurpose him somehow.

Slap some white boarder Autobot symbols over the 'Con ones and call him Storm Jet or R-Blade.

Black Hat wrote:That Starscream actually looks pretty neat! I like Shattered Glass, at least in concept (certain characters aside *COUGH*Ravage*COUGH*) and he looks pretty cool like that.

Speaking of exclusive redecoes- is the Generations Drift mold worth the price? I was considering trying to track down an SG Drift as it comes with extra accessories and looks cooler IMO than regular Drift, and he isn't THAT much more expensive than a regular Drift (at least on eBay) but if the base mold isn't that good I might give it a miss.

well Drift-pool is a nice deco and if he is close to regular Drift's price, i think he would be worthwhile.

mazingaspidey wrote:I may be mad... but here is [mostly] Modulus in all of his glory.

A few months back I made a custom Ratchet using a shapeways head and ordering the sticker set from ebay. I replicated the clear HFG by using a clear blue "glass acryllic" from model masters. I don't have Medix, but in putting the group together I realized what TFCC was going for and used an Alpha Bravo to even out the two fliers, two ground vehicles and all white limbs. I did some custom work to a spare Scattershot's head a while back and added a sort of chaotic wash to finish it all out. Originally designed as a unique look for Betatron, but it fits this motif better I think. Sure this belongs in the customs thread, but I think it's relevant here, let me know what you think!

This came out really cool! Good job with it, it is a really awesome look and figure overall

And here's my photographic contribution!



Wreckage, and for comparison's sake, Ruination. Or as I like to think of him, tied with mold-mate Bruticus for the title of 'worst Transformers combiner made'. If the figures weren't on clearance at the Walmart I work at/the only real hope I had of getting these characters at the time, I would've passed on Ruination completely.

Anyway, as for Wreckage and Series Five? It's cool, and been a fun ride. I only joined with Series Four, but it's still been neat. I've liked the figures we got from both waves, and Wreckage is neat. Thunder Mayhem, too. ShatterScream... eh? It's a neat toy, but I never got into Shattered Glass all that much. He's not bad, and from what little I've seen, SG is cool. It's just... not something I got into. So I'm not really where to place the guy.

Kurona wrote:Yup, that's the deal with SG - your general morality swap universe. So Starscream's a humble, loyal and intelligent right-hand man to Megatron, who brings peace by thwarting tyranny

Things a mirror-universe Starscream might say:

"Megatron knows what he's doing."

"I hate it when they leave me in charge..."

"My voice isn't THAT deep, is it?"

"Thanks for the rebuild, being 'twinsies' with Skywarp was starting to get weird."

"Well, carabast." (Everyone loves a good voice actor joke, right?)

Knightsword wrote:

Flashwave wrote:Got my box today!

Gotta backpedal on screamer a step or two. While I still feel like there coulda been better choices for a combiner limb than a random SG guy, this is a GORGEOUS Deco and I love it. Gotta repurpose him somehow.

Slap some white boarder Autobot symbols over the 'Con ones and call him Storm Jet or R-Blade.

He's got a clear red weapon and a cockpit behind his head, how about calling him Sky Blast?

So... is Modulus supposed to look like BotCon Predicus?

So I finally got the final three figures today and I have a question for those with their own Toxitrons.

Is mine the only one with one of each style hip ratchet? The right hip has the older style while the left hip has the revised version. This makes for a very frustrating figure.

Alpha Weltall wrote:So I finally got the final three figures today and I have a question for those with their own Toxitrons.

Is mine the only one with one of each style hip ratchet? The right hip has the older style while the left hip has the revised version. This makes for a very frustrating figure.

Haven't checked mine yet, but you might wanna contact Fun Pub about that ASAP.