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In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

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Fellow Transformers toy fan over on Twitter TCrackerGenmon has had the opportunity to play with an early sample of the Power of the Primes Titan class size offering set of the Predacons combiner figure: Predaking!

And that means we also have in hand images of the gestalt, plus some posing, and a closer look at the packaging and the beast modes specifically, though no individual robot modes as yet - though they are bound to surface soon enough - different from stock photography seen previously. Check the set of images out below, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking

Transformers News: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking
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Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960715)
Posted by Sigma Magnus on May 21st, 2018 @ 12:45pm CDT
Now that doesn't look too bad.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960722)
Posted by It Is Him on May 21st, 2018 @ 1:01pm CDT
NICE
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960723)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 21st, 2018 @ 1:06pm CDT
Black Hat wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:Fans just don't know what they really want.



I think this is about as wrong as can be. The thoughts expressed about this set, both negative and positive, have been very clearly stated. I think the fans very much know whatnot we want, and for a lot of us, this isn't it. There are many who do want it.

I think fans know what they want today more than any period in the past.

This, pretty much. The problem isn't fans not knowing what they want, it's fan opinion being heavily divided. Some people think that because he's made of equally sized robots that he's perfect. I'm of the opinion that making him out of equally sized robots is a bad idea that's doomed to fail; Feral Rex had a kinda small torso with bloated feet, and this Predaking is a huge pile of compromises for the admittedly interesting transformation scheme.

I know what I want in a Predaking, and this isn't it.


This is exactly what I mean when I say "fans don't know what they want." It is super divisive, and not just in a "love it or hate it" sense. The "haters" all have completely different ideas about what would make the figure ideal for them, and frankly a lot of them want magic. A figure that is perfect in every way to their untenable ideal for less money than is reasonable in this market. We go through this almost every time too. There was much gnashing of teeth over the Devastator reveal, and now most people agree it's a must have, especially the Takara Unite Warriors release. Fans have VERY short memories about these things.

What gets me really about a lot of the naysayers on Predaking is the, frankly, delusional belief that the G1 version is somehow superior. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only thing the G1 original figures have over the new Power of the Primes version is swords. These PotP figures have better engineering, articulation, and proportions (especially in the gestalt mode). The original had way "blockier" figures, with limited possibility. The combined form looked like it suffered from gigantism of the legs and arms. People are complaining about a skinny waist on this new PotP version!? That's the kind of insanity in the nitpicking that has made me really dismissive of a lot of the complaints this time around. They're just nonsensical.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960728)
Posted by Evil Eye on May 21st, 2018 @ 1:23pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Black Hat wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:Fans just don't know what they really want.



I think this is about as wrong as can be. The thoughts expressed about this set, both negative and positive, have been very clearly stated. I think the fans very much know whatnot we want, and for a lot of us, this isn't it. There are many who do want it.

I think fans know what they want today more than any period in the past.

This, pretty much. The problem isn't fans not knowing what they want, it's fan opinion being heavily divided. Some people think that because he's made of equally sized robots that he's perfect. I'm of the opinion that making him out of equally sized robots is a bad idea that's doomed to fail; Feral Rex had a kinda small torso with bloated feet, and this Predaking is a huge pile of compromises for the admittedly interesting transformation scheme.

I know what I want in a Predaking, and this isn't it.


This is exactly what I mean when I say "fans don't know what they want." It is super divisive, and not just in a "love it or hate it" sense. The "haters" all have completely different ideas about what would make the figure ideal for them, and frankly a lot of them want magic. A figure that is perfect in every way to their untenable ideal for less money than is reasonable in this market. We go through this almost every time too. There was much gnashing of teeth over the Devastator reveal, and now most people agree it's a must have, especially the Takara Unite Warriors release. Fans have VERY short memories about these things.

What gets me really about a lot of the naysayers on Predaking is the, frankly, delusional belief that the G1 version is somehow superior. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only thing the G1 original figures have over the new Power of the Primes version is swords. These PotP figures have better engineering, articulation, and proportions (especially in the gestalt mode). The original had way "blockier" figures, with limited possibility. The combined form looked like it suffered from gigantism of the legs and arms. People are complaining about a skinny waist on this new PotP version!? That's the kind of insanity in the nitpicking that has made me really dismissive of a lot of the complaints this time around. They're just nonsensical.

Wrong on all counts. I'm still thoroughly unimpressed with HasTak Devastator- even the UW version lacks articulation, is overly hollow, is awkwardly proportioned and is farcically out of scale with the other combiners. Predaking continues the trend of sacrificing quality and design (especially in the individual modes) in favour of sheer size.

The G1 version of Predaking isn't superior objectively, no, but that's because it was made over 30 years ago. And honestly, this newer version inherits a lot of the flaws from the original toy. The robots all being the same size means that in order to get a vaguely proportionate combined mode, the individuals suffered immensely (poor Headstrong and Tantrum...). The beast modes are just jokes that somehow manage to look dorkier than the G1 originals. No melee weapons (not even for Predaking himself). The combined mode has very weird proportions, notably his child-birthing hips and supermodel waist. The hands are hollowed out inarticulate blocks that are leagues less impressive than the ones on Unicron, and that's a 15 year old toy. Oh, and STICKERS.

Sure he has more articulation than the G1 figures but that isn't hard. Honestly, he looks like the worst Titan Hasbro has made thus far, and that's saying something. I think some people are determined to like him just because he exists and isn't an icky third party figure. It's not "Magic" to make a figure that doesn't suck (Abominus actually looks damn cool). It's application of common sense. Don't make him so big that in order to keep in budget you have to hollow him into oblivion. Make him bigger and bulkier than the average combiner, sure, but not THAT much bigger. If you must have him that big then you'll have to up the pricetag. And for the love of God, DON'T TRY AND MAKE A FIVE MEMBER COMBINER OUT OF EQUALLY SIZED FIGURES. IT WON'T WORK (See FOC Bruticus).

If you like it, that's fine. I question your taste, but fine. But don't tell people who aren't willing to settle for that...thing that they've got unrealistic expectations. I'm not asking for a 3 foot tall combiner with a billion custom-tooled steel parts, a perfect transformation, Figuarts-tier posing in all modes and automotive paint. But considering this is likely the only official Predaking we're gonna get for at least 5 years, I expect a bit more care put in.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960731)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on May 21st, 2018 @ 1:46pm CDT
Image

So does anybody else hear the Bee-Gees in their head when looking at this photo? No? (God I'm old)
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960732)
Posted by bluecatcinema on May 21st, 2018 @ 1:50pm CDT
Now that looks great.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960733)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 21st, 2018 @ 1:58pm CDT
The packaging of Devastator was better. It was a keeper. So I will thrash that Predaking box in the recycling bin when I buy it with no regrets.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960734)
Posted by Aimless Misfire on May 21st, 2018 @ 2:20pm CDT
Definitely not worth the ludicrous price they're asking. $59.99 tops!
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960735)
Posted by mblase75 on May 21st, 2018 @ 2:37pm CDT
Aimless Misfire wrote:Definitely not worth the ludicrous price they're asking. $59.99 tops!

You'll find it for that price at Ollie's in about twelve months, if you hurry.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960737)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 21st, 2018 @ 2:56pm CDT
Black Hat wrote:Wrong on all counts. I'm still thoroughly unimpressed with HasTak Devastator- even the UW version lacks articulation, is overly hollow, is awkwardly proportioned and is farcically out of scale with the other combiners. Predaking continues the trend of sacrificing quality and design (especially in the individual modes) in favour of sheer size.

The G1 version of Predaking isn't superior objectively, no, but that's because it was made over 30 years ago. And honestly, this newer version inherits a lot of the flaws from the original toy. The robots all being the same size means that in order to get a vaguely proportionate combined mode, the individuals suffered immensely (poor Headstrong and Tantrum...). The beast modes are just jokes that somehow manage to look dorkier than the G1 originals. No melee weapons (not even for Predaking himself). The combined mode has very weird proportions, notably his child-birthing hips and supermodel waist. The hands are hollowed out inarticulate blocks that are leagues less impressive than the ones on Unicron, and that's a 15 year old toy. Oh, and STICKERS.

Sure he has more articulation than the G1 figures but that isn't hard. Honestly, he looks like the worst Titan Hasbro has made thus far, and that's saying something. I think some people are determined to like him just because he exists and isn't an icky third party figure. It's not "Magic" to make a figure that doesn't suck (Abominus actually looks damn cool). It's application of common sense. Don't make him so big that in order to keep in budget you have to hollow him into oblivion. Make him bigger and bulkier than the average combiner, sure, but not THAT much bigger. If you must have him that big then you'll have to up the pricetag. And for the love of God, DON'T TRY AND MAKE A FIVE MEMBER COMBINER OUT OF EQUALLY SIZED FIGURES. IT WON'T WORK (See FOC Bruticus).

If you like it, that's fine. I question your taste, but fine. But don't tell people who aren't willing to settle for that...thing that they've got unrealistic expectations. I'm not asking for a 3 foot tall combiner with a billion custom-tooled steel parts, a perfect transformation, Figuarts-tier posing in all modes and automotive paint. But considering this is likely the only official Predaking we're gonna get for at least 5 years, I expect a bit more care put in.


I didn't say you liked Titan Class Devastator. I said most did, and the majority of those who were upset when it was first revealed had to eat some serious crow later.

Transformers have been "hollow" for years now, and Predaking isn't even the worst example of such. The initial Fall of Cybertron toys hold that dishonor. And yes, it's a cost cutting measure to hollow out parts where able, because parents aren't going to buy their children a $300-$400 big "Megazord," certainly not on a whim, and likely not even for a big birthday or Xmas gift.

Predaking is big because he was always a bigger combiner than the other G1 combiner TOYS. Hasbro isn't as fussed about what characters looked like exactly in the old Sunbow cartoon. Their focus has always been on the original toys. Devastator was chosen to be big because he was considered special, being the first combiner in Transformers. The Contructicon alt modes are actually in relatively accurate scale with the deluxe car characters, by the way. None of the other combiners pay attention to scale at all either, not between teams and not even within teams. Deluxe sized jets, planes, shuttles, motorcycles, and even tanks create all sort of problems when you look at scale, whether realistic or even internally consistent in the cartoon, so that's your own little burden to shoulder if you think Devastator and Predaking are "farcically out of scale" with other contemporary combiners.

Stickers!? You're still made about stickers!? Guess you hate every Voyager and Leader figure Hasbro has put out for the past couple of years too. Yes, everyone wishes the stickers would go away, but they aren't any time soon, it seems. ALL Titan releases, starting with Metroplex, have relied on stickers, btw, so this is also not something new to PotP Predaking. It's not even new to ANY G1 Predaking as the original had stickers too. Even the special reissues, like Platinum Edition Predaking, had revised stickers instead of going for paint apps.

Honestly, I think you just don't like Transformers now. Things have been as they are for years now, and Predaking isn't turning the past five years or so on its ear. It's entirely consistent with everything Hasbro has been doing with their toys since Dark of the Moon and Fall of Cybertron. Just admit that you have a personal expectation that Hasbro can't realistically meet in this market and go have fun with your third party options.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960739)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:12pm CDT
Aimless Misfire wrote:Definitely not worth the ludicrous price they're asking. $59.99 tops!


To each their own with "budget needs" but seriously... they're still FIVE voyagers... that's going to be $100 minimum (and that's technically deluxe prices).

As for the heated debate over this guy... yes he compromises. Most transformers these days are "compromises".

One thing I think a LOT of ppl forget about Devastator... is the fact that he's actually Masterpiece scale.... and he's the closest we're going to get to one ANY time soon. and certainly otherwise would be paying 3rd party ($50-60) per component otherwise.

My biggest misgiving with Predaking (other than the lack of swords) was the spiked fists... but then I realized they plug into the feet for storage. Seeing that... I can live with the compromise they made.

I still think the SDCC/Hascon version *might* come with swords. but we'll see. It's been awfully quiet on that front.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960740)
Posted by mblase75 on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:16pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Stickers!? You're still made about stickers!? Guess you hate every Voyager and Leader figure Hasbro has put out for the past couple of years too.

Oh god, yes. Although, to be sure: TItan-class citybots with stickers I apply myself are fine, it's the Voyager-class triple-changers whose factory-applied stickers never stay on properly that I detest. I'm not sure which one of those Predaking will fall under, but I'll be looking forward to applying Toyhax labels either way.

Honestly, I think you just don't like Transformers now. Things have been as they are for years now, and Predaking isn't turning the past five years or so on its ear. It's entirely consistent with everything Hasbro has been doing with their toys since Dark of the Moon and Fall of Cybertron. Just admit that you have a personal expectation that Hasbro can't realistically meet in this market and go have fun with your third party options.

This. If Hasbro isn't someone's cup of tea and they prefer third-party, I don't blame them -- but I'm never going to complain about the things Hasbro does in order to keep prices manageable. Well, except the stickers.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960741)
Posted by Emerje on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:16pm CDT
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Holy CRAP that's a terrifying little joint holding up the entire top half! I predict we'll be seeing a lot of Predacons that can't combine any more in the future.

Other than that I'm fine with the way he looks.

Emerje
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960742)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:20pm CDT
Emerje wrote:
1526924524-p5.jpg

Holy CRAP that's a terrifying little joint holding up the entire top half! I predict we'll be seeing a lot of Predacons that can't combine any more in the future.

Other than that I'm fine with the way he looks.

Emerje


For what it's worth, I suspect those legs were supposed to slide all the way into his back and fill in that gap.... However.... that does indeed not address the "small" (mushroom?) peg that's his waist....
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960744)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:22pm CDT
Though... I do believe that central crotch piece is part of the same "assembly" as the abdomen... So that shouldn't be a joint gets abused a lot. We'll see how the wear-and-tear goes with the hot swivel action though.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960746)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:24pm CDT
Well these pics look nice (see hasbro, look at what you get when you let people who know what they are doing do the photos). Still I can understand why people say they don't want him and it's their choice. No one will change their mind by going on at then constantly.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960747)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:33pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Still I can understand why people say they don't want him and it's their choice. No one will change their mind by going on at then constantly.


True story. it's like someone has to be "right" when... in collecting and hobbies... everybody is "right" about their own collections.

On the other hand, it's nice to have constructive discourse on a subject, but when it devolves into a shouting match... that's where the construction ends.

I do take a bit of an affront to those that feel the want to *immediately* want to get it at under 50% off though.... I just feel that's not being fair, respectful of the product. Similar to how the ppl "love MPs but wait for the knock-offs".

But enough of a tangent.

I do think similar to Devastator Predaking will be much more interesting in hand. While both he and Devastator probably could have been reduced to "large deluxe" in size and save a bit on price.... Hasbro obviously wants to make a *splash* with this guy. I will say what weapons he comes with are starting to grow on me more. I wasn't happy about his wrist mounted cannon.... but there appears to be a bit more molding and detail in it than I originally though. (Similar to Devastators gun). Still not sure what one is supposed to do with the small "extensions" for the shoulder cannons though (are they Razorclaws tail?)
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960749)
Posted by Evil Eye on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:37pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Wrong on all counts. I'm still thoroughly unimpressed with HasTak Devastator- even the UW version lacks articulation, is overly hollow, is awkwardly proportioned and is farcically out of scale with the other combiners. Predaking continues the trend of sacrificing quality and design (especially in the individual modes) in favour of sheer size.

The G1 version of Predaking isn't superior objectively, no, but that's because it was made over 30 years ago. And honestly, this newer version inherits a lot of the flaws from the original toy. The robots all being the same size means that in order to get a vaguely proportionate combined mode, the individuals suffered immensely (poor Headstrong and Tantrum...). The beast modes are just jokes that somehow manage to look dorkier than the G1 originals. No melee weapons (not even for Predaking himself). The combined mode has very weird proportions, notably his child-birthing hips and supermodel waist. The hands are hollowed out inarticulate blocks that are leagues less impressive than the ones on Unicron, and that's a 15 year old toy. Oh, and STICKERS.

Sure he has more articulation than the G1 figures but that isn't hard. Honestly, he looks like the worst Titan Hasbro has made thus far, and that's saying something. I think some people are determined to like him just because he exists and isn't an icky third party figure. It's not "Magic" to make a figure that doesn't suck (Abominus actually looks damn cool). It's application of common sense. Don't make him so big that in order to keep in budget you have to hollow him into oblivion. Make him bigger and bulkier than the average combiner, sure, but not THAT much bigger. If you must have him that big then you'll have to up the pricetag. And for the love of God, DON'T TRY AND MAKE A FIVE MEMBER COMBINER OUT OF EQUALLY SIZED FIGURES. IT WON'T WORK (See FOC Bruticus).

If you like it, that's fine. I question your taste, but fine. But don't tell people who aren't willing to settle for that...thing that they've got unrealistic expectations. I'm not asking for a 3 foot tall combiner with a billion custom-tooled steel parts, a perfect transformation, Figuarts-tier posing in all modes and automotive paint. But considering this is likely the only official Predaking we're gonna get for at least 5 years, I expect a bit more care put in.


I didn't say you liked Titan Class Devastator. I said most did, and the majority of those who were upset when it was first revealed had to eat some serious crow later.

I'd argue that has more to do with low standards than it actually being good but OK.

Transformers have been "hollow" for years now, and Predaking isn't even the worst example of such. The initial Fall of Cybertron toys hold that dishonor. And yes, it's a cost cutting measure to hollow out parts where able, because parents aren't going to buy their children a $300-$400 big "Megazord," certainly not on a whim, and likely not even for a big birthday or Xmas gift.
And most kids aren't even going to know who Predaking is. It's marketed squarely at collectors- and it falls short of the expectations any right-thinking collector would have. And if they hadn't made it so monstrously large but kept the pricetag the same it might actually have been good.
Predaking is big because he was always a bigger combiner than the other G1 combiner TOYS. Hasbro isn't as fussed about what characters looked like exactly in the old Sunbow cartoon. Their focus has always been on the original toys.

I know that, and he could still have been bigger than the others without being double their size and thus horrendously compromised.
Devastator was chosen to be big because he was considered special, being the first combiner in Transformers. The Contructicon alt modes are actually in relatively accurate scale with the deluxe car characters, by the way.

Again, he didn't need to be twice the size of a regular combiner. There's such a thing as "a happy medium". And if we're going on vehicle scale then Superion should be the size of Devastator as he's made of jets. I work at an aviation museum and let me tell you, jets are BIG.
None of the other combiners pay attention to scale at all either, not between teams and not even within teams. Deluxe sized jets, planes, shuttles, motorcycles, and even tanks create all sort of problems when you look at scale, whether realistic or even internally consistent in the cartoon, so that's your own little burden to shoulder if you think Devastator and Predaking are "farcically out of scale" with other contemporary combiners.

I'm not talking about vehicle scale or even cartoon scale (which was always inconsistent). I'm talking about what actually looks good and makes for decent toys. If Predaking and Devastator are gonna be $200 behemoths, why put all the mass into making them so tall? Why not bulk them out a bit? Why not do anything other than making them huge but hollow piles of compromise and failure?
Stickers!? You're still made about stickers!? Guess you hate every Voyager and Leader figure Hasbro has put out for the past couple of years too. Yes, everyone wishes the stickers would go away, but they aren't any time soon, it seems.

Then vote with your wallet and refuse to buy figures that make excessive use of them. Any figures with them on I get are getting their stickers peeled off, but to be honest, with the Voyager and Leader class being as desultory for POTP as they are (Hungrr and Elita are the only figures bigger than a Deluxe that interest me) then they won't be getting any of my money for stickered releases anyway.

Of course up until recently the answer was that people could import the less abysmal Takara versions, but thanks to Hasbro's blatant greed and apparent spite, rather than spend cents per figure on improving their own product to make up for lost sales to Takara they've instead told Takara to stop making their own figures any better.

ALL Titan releases, starting with Metroplex, have relied on stickers, btw, so this is also not something new to PotP Predaking.

Yep, and I have yet to buy any of them.
It's not even new to ANY G1 Predaking as the original had stickers too. Even the special reissues, like Platinum Edition Predaking, had revised stickers instead of going for paint apps.
These are supposed to be an improvement on the 30+ year old toys. "GEEWUN DID IT" is not an excuse for stickers.
Honestly, I think you just don't like Transformers now.

I do like Transformers- there are still good figures (Stinger from the Studio Series was one of the best figures I've gotten from HasTak in a while) but hell if I'm going to suck up to Hasbro for making trash and removing the opportunity for people like me to actually get decent alternatives.
Things have been as they are for years now, and Predaking isn't turning the past five years or so on its ear. It's entirely consistent with everything Hasbro has been doing with their toys since Dark of the Moon and Fall of Cybertron.

Then vote with your wallet and tell Hasbro "No, I will not accept this crap, either improve your products or lose my business". That's how capitalism is supposed to work.
Just admit that you have a personal expectation that Hasbro can't realistically meet in this market

That's just it. They CAN meet my expectations. Even putting aside the nickel-and-diming that we're seeing with the line, all they have to do is not make boneheaded decisions like "Make him so big the only way the budget will pass is if he's a ropey piece of crap" and "Let's make the individuals the same size even though that doesn't work". They CAN still make good figures- it's almost like they're choosing not to. This isn't budgetary constraints, this is incompetence.

But as for Hasbro and their budget cuts, they absolutely could afford to make the figures better. The problem is that either their higher-ups, the shareholders or most likely both are greedy, penny-pinching misers who apparently can't spare a few cents per figure to make them less dreadful solely because it would mean one micrometre less platinum plating on their monogrammed prostate massagers.
and go have fun with your third party options.

Thanks, I will. Hopefully Maketoys does a Predaking eventually so I can buy that instead rather than giving a single penny to Hasbro.

If you honestly like POTP Predaking then that's fine. But don't try and bulls**t to me that they couldn't do any better, and CERTAINLY don't get on my case like I'm somehow being ungrateful or something for not approving of a botched job. Because quite frankly it reeks of fanboyism at best and corporate shilling at worst.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960750)
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:46pm CDT
Predaking looks good overall. He's not perfect, but he's not the garbage fire some people make him out to be. My only real issues with this set are the decision to make Razorclaw the same size as the rest of the Predacons (leading to massive, unsightly kibble on Headstrong and Tantrum) and the lack of his very iconic sword. People that want Razorclaw to be perfectly in scale with his teammates are forgetting that Predaking himself is already out of scale with other combiners. The sword is not a surprising omission as none of the PotP combiners have dedicated weapons. Seems to be an across the board cost cutting decision. Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960751)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:51pm CDT
Black Hat, I'm more than willing to call out Hasbro when they legitimately screw up. Poorly designing Trypticon's hip joints such that they self destruct after being used is a screw up. Missing out on doing Apeface and Snapdragon in Titans Return was a screw up. Wave 2 of Power of the Primes drying up within weeks at retail is a screw up. Predaking is not a screw up. That's not shilling or fanboyism. That's being fair, objective, and logical. I don't think you're at all being fair if you're resorting to jokes about platinum plated prostate massagers and calling these designers "incompetent." Get off your high horse.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960752)
Posted by Evil Eye on May 21st, 2018 @ 3:57pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:I'm willing to call out Hasbro when they legitimately screw up. Poorly designing Trypticon's hip joints such that they self destruct after being used is a screw up. Missing out on doing Apeface and Snapdragon in Titans Return was a screw up. Wave 2 of Power of the Primes drying up within weeks at retail is a screw up. Predaking is not a screw up. That's not shilling or fanboyism. That's being fair, objective, and logical. I don't think you're at all being fair if you're resorting to jokes about platinum plated prostate massagers and calling these designers "incompetent." Get off your high horse.

No, I'm being totally fair. I'll be frank- if you honestly think that thing is in any way acceptable, you either have very low standards or bad taste. And quite frankly, if you're willing to defend the greedy slimeballs that are imposing these ridiculous budget cuts (coupled with price raises) solely to bloat their profits even further, I have nothing else to say to you.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960754)
Posted by mblase75 on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:00pm CDT
It's marketed squarely at collectors- and it falls short of the expectations any *right-thinking* collector would have.


Stopped reading right there. As soon as you start claiming your opinions are the only "right" views to be had, you've lost the argument.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960755)
Posted by dragons on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:00pm CDT
Black Hat wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Black Hat wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:Fans just don't know what they really want.



is farcically out of scale with the other combiners. Predaking continues the trend of sacrificing quality and design (especially in the individual modes) in favour of sheer size


He said s ale he said scale hahahahaha no fans don’t know what they want fans always always forget g1 toys where never everrrr in scale with one another compare g1 metroplex to g1 Optimus prime there is your scale measurement
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960756)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:03pm CDT
Lore Keeper wrote:Predaking looks good overall. He's not perfect, but he's not the garbage fire some people make him out to be. My only real issues with this set are the decision to make Razorclaw the same size as the rest of the Predacons (leading to massive, unsightly kibble on Headstrong and Tantrum) and the lack of his very iconic sword. People that want Razorclaw to be perfectly in scale with his teammates are forgetting that Predaking himself is already out of scale with other combiners. The sword is not a surprising omission as none of the PotP combiners have dedicated weapons. Seems to be an across the board cost cutting decision. Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.

It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960758)
Posted by mblase75 on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:06pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.

They should've at least updated the box art to remove the knuckle spikes, though.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960759)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:06pm CDT
Lore Keeper wrote:Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.


It's so they fists can slot into the under-side of the feet for storage. While I personally think they *could* have found a way to keep them (even if just little nubs) that's the reason.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960760)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:08pm CDT
mblase75 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.

They should've at least updated the box art to remove the knuckle spikes, though.


While that'd be nice for consistency sake... probably not going to happen (assuming they've started printing all the materials).
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960761)
Posted by o.supreme on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:10pm CDT
Looks good for the most part. I just wonder who punched tantrum and gave him a fat upper lip ;) . I wonder if the box will be the same size as CW Devastator, or slightly smaller. (Just thinking of how I will stack my growing collection of boxes in my closet)
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960762)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:11pm CDT
So it took my WAY too long to notice.... but Razorclaw's cat ears being formed from the matrix handles is both cute... and clever.... also it appears the barrel extensions *are* for the cats tails.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960763)
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:13pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:Predaking looks good overall. He's not perfect, but he's not the garbage fire some people make him out to be. My only real issues with this set are the decision to make Razorclaw the same size as the rest of the Predacons (leading to massive, unsightly kibble on Headstrong and Tantrum) and the lack of his very iconic sword. People that want Razorclaw to be perfectly in scale with his teammates are forgetting that Predaking himself is already out of scale with other combiners. The sword is not a surprising omission as none of the PotP combiners have dedicated weapons. Seems to be an across the board cost cutting decision. Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.

It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.

I thought about this too. But, if you look at how they go in, there easily could have been grooves on the underside of the feet to allow at least some small spikes.
Image
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960765)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:13pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:I wonder if the box will be the same size as CW Devastator, or slightly smaller. (Just thinking of how I will stack my growing collection of boxes in my closet)


I'd guess it's close to the same size. That being said, do you keep them when there's no insert (to speak of)? I was shocked when some of the Energon (Japanese versions) were literally just twist ties into cardboard. While I'm usually one to keep all my Masterpiece boxes... I just can't see the reason to for ones with "impractical" repack-ability. That said, I suppose for some of those you could fold-flat the boxes (and chuck the inner cardboard).
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960766)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:14pm CDT
I'm also somewhat shocked e-tailers haven't gotten the Pre-Orders up for Predaking yet... Though it seems like BBTS has been late to the pre-order (and fulfillment) game lately.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960768)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:16pm CDT
Lore Keeper wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:Predaking looks good overall. He's not perfect, but he's not the garbage fire some people make him out to be. My only real issues with this set are the decision to make Razorclaw the same size as the rest of the Predacons (leading to massive, unsightly kibble on Headstrong and Tantrum) and the lack of his very iconic sword. People that want Razorclaw to be perfectly in scale with his teammates are forgetting that Predaking himself is already out of scale with other combiners. The sword is not a surprising omission as none of the PotP combiners have dedicated weapons. Seems to be an across the board cost cutting decision. Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.

It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.

I thought about this too. But, if you look at how they go in, there easily could have been grooves on the underside of the feet to allow at least some small spikes.
Image


This is true. Maybe there were issues getting the molding clean, for the cavities or something. Alternatively they could have made "edges" of the foot longer/deeper hand had the spikes facing down (toward the floor).
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960772)
Posted by o.supreme on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:30pm CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:
o.supreme wrote:I wonder if the box will be the same size as CW Devastator, or slightly smaller. (Just thinking of how I will stack my growing collection of boxes in my closet)


I'd guess it's close to the same size. That being said, do you keep them when there's no insert (to speak of)? I was shocked when some of the Energon (Japanese versions) were literally just twist ties into cardboard. While I'm usually one to keep all my Masterpiece boxes... I just can't see the reason to for ones with "impractical" repack-ability. That said, I suppose for some of those you could fold-flat the boxes (and chuck the inner cardboard).


Really the only Boxes I have kept since getting back into collecting are all my Unite Warrior, CW, and TR box set boxes. Any Leader or Voyager Box, I have not kept. I did not even keep the packaging for Grotusque or Arcee, since once they were opened, like you said, its pretty impractical to repackage them.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960775)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:37pm CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:Predaking looks good overall. He's not perfect, but he's not the garbage fire some people make him out to be. My only real issues with this set are the decision to make Razorclaw the same size as the rest of the Predacons (leading to massive, unsightly kibble on Headstrong and Tantrum) and the lack of his very iconic sword. People that want Razorclaw to be perfectly in scale with his teammates are forgetting that Predaking himself is already out of scale with other combiners. The sword is not a surprising omission as none of the PotP combiners have dedicated weapons. Seems to be an across the board cost cutting decision. Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.

It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.

I thought about this too. But, if you look at how they go in, there easily could have been grooves on the underside of the feet to allow at least some small spikes.
Image


This is true. Maybe there were issues getting the molding clean, for the cavities or something. Alternatively they could have made "edges" of the foot longer/deeper hand had the spikes facing down (toward the floor).


Retractable spikes would have been a nice fix, but that would have probably upped the "parts count" quite a bit.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960776)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:38pm CDT
I can totally get behind keeping the Unite Warriors. But I think for the combiner wars ones, I'd just clip the front off... again... they were mostly twisted to cardboard (if memory serves). While the packaging for Grotesque and Arcee was really cool.... if opened it became a nightmare, but a neat way to despite MisB ("sealed").
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960779)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 21st, 2018 @ 4:54pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
SpikeyTigertron wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:Predaking looks good overall. He's not perfect, but he's not the garbage fire some people make him out to be. My only real issues with this set are the decision to make Razorclaw the same size as the rest of the Predacons (leading to massive, unsightly kibble on Headstrong and Tantrum) and the lack of his very iconic sword. People that want Razorclaw to be perfectly in scale with his teammates are forgetting that Predaking himself is already out of scale with other combiners. The sword is not a surprising omission as none of the PotP combiners have dedicated weapons. Seems to be an across the board cost cutting decision. Lastly, while not bothered by it, I am confused as to why they removed his knuckle spikes. I can't see a functional reason they would need to be removed.

It's so they could be put away in the feet for storage when not in use. Having the spikes would mess with the clearance.

I thought about this too. But, if you look at how they go in, there easily could have been grooves on the underside of the feet to allow at least some small spikes.
Image


This is true. Maybe there were issues getting the molding clean, for the cavities or something. Alternatively they could have made "edges" of the foot longer/deeper hand had the spikes facing down (toward the floor).


Retractable spikes would have been a nice fix, but that would have probably upped the "parts count" quite a bit.


How big would the spikes have been? Big enough for an "A Christmas Story"-related quote?
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960804)
Posted by Cobotron on May 21st, 2018 @ 7:00pm CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Image

So does anybody else hear the Bee-Gees in their head when looking at this photo? No? (God I'm old)
I do now!! :lol: :DANCE:

Don't worry. I'm old too.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960822)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 21st, 2018 @ 8:03pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Image

So does anybody else hear the Bee-Gees in their head when looking at this photo? No? (God I'm old)
I do now!! :lol: :DANCE:

Don't worry. I'm old too.


This just made me realize that Divebomb's golden wings will be stickers WE get to apply T_T crap.....
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960825)
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 21st, 2018 @ 8:09pm CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Image

So does anybody else hear the Bee-Gees in their head when looking at this photo? No? (God I'm old)
I do now!! :lol: :DANCE:

Don't worry. I'm old too.


This just made me realize that Divebomb's golden wings will be stickers WE get to apply T_T crap.....

I definitely prefer to apply stickers myself if there are stickers. With a little care, you can do a much better job than the factory.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960827)
Posted by Randomhero on May 21st, 2018 @ 8:14pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Black Hat, I'm more than willing to call out Hasbro when they legitimately screw up. Poorly designing Trypticon's hip joints such that they self destruct after being used is a screw up. Missing out on doing Apeface and Snapdragon in Titans Return was a screw up. Wave 2 of Power of the Primes drying up within weeks at retail is a screw up. Predaking is not a screw up. That's not shilling or fanboyism. That's being fair, objective, and logical. I don't think you're at all being fair if you're resorting to jokes about platinum plated prostate massagers and calling these designers "incompetent." Get off your high horse.



Missing out doing apeface and snapdragon... it took 6 years after classics to get a retail thundercracker. 12 years to get all the Dinobots. Just because you don’t get it in one line doesn’t mean it will never happen.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960834)
Posted by fenrir72 on May 21st, 2018 @ 8:36pm CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Image

So does anybody else hear the Bee-Gees in their head when looking at this photo? No? (God I'm old)



That is one sexy hunk of cyber beef" metallic monstrosity coming for me! :x Remember the date folks! October 2018 (JP release that is).
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960844)
Posted by gothsaurus on May 21st, 2018 @ 9:13pm CDT
Poses look great. And I have to say... I was in the camp of disliking that thin waist. Then I looked at stills from Call of the Primatives and that one amazing comic poster with him and Superion/Defensiv. Those are the absolute two pinnacles of how good he ever looked. Absolutely epic. And in both of those he has a mind bogglingly small waist.

So I’m 100% okay with it now. Just gonna pose him like some Takara illustration. And call it a day.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960853)
Posted by william-james88 on May 21st, 2018 @ 10:03pm CDT
From day one I formed an opinion and it hasnt changed so far, no matter the amount of pics.
And that is that I love that combined mode. It looks dynamic and easily the most competent at doing fun poses out of all the options out there

Image

However, as I thought from day 1, I do not like those individual animal modes (aside from Rampage). Though Divebomb and Razorclaw look good in robot mode and I would like rampage if he had a face. Still feeling underwhelmed overall due to the individual alt modes.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960863)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 21st, 2018 @ 11:35pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:Black Hat, I'm more than willing to call out Hasbro when they legitimately screw up. Poorly designing Trypticon's hip joints such that they self destruct after being used is a screw up. Missing out on doing Apeface and Snapdragon in Titans Return was a screw up. Wave 2 of Power of the Primes drying up within weeks at retail is a screw up. Predaking is not a screw up. That's not shilling or fanboyism. That's being fair, objective, and logical. I don't think you're at all being fair if you're resorting to jokes about platinum plated prostate massagers and calling these designers "incompetent." Get off your high horse.



Missing out doing apeface and snapdragon... it took 6 years after classics to get a retail thundercracker. 12 years to get all the Dinobots. Just because you don’t get it in one line doesn’t mean it will never happen.


I didn't say it would never happen. I'm saying it should have already happened. Titans Return Voyager figures were ALL Triplechanger Headmasters. The only actual triplechanging Headmasters from G1 were Apeface and Snapdragon. In a line were a size class is practically BUILT for their particular gimmick, how could you NOT do them? The mind boggles.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960865)
Posted by fenrir72 on May 21st, 2018 @ 11:44pm CDT
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960866)
Posted by noctorro on May 22nd, 2018 @ 12:33am CDT
He looks awesome. I like the idea of a part-mid section so that all the individual bots can stay the same size.
Can't wait to get him.

Maybe Takara will add the swords, otherwise I'll just 3d print them myself.

Super Transformers line, just like the rest of the Prime Trilogy.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960878)
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 22nd, 2018 @ 4:35am CDT
william-james88 wrote:From day one I formed an opinion and it hasnt changed so far, no matter the amount of pics.
And that is that I love that combined mode. It looks dynamic and easily the most competent at doing fun poses out of all the options out there

Image

However, as I thought from day 1, I do not like those individual animal modes (aside from Rampage). Though Divebomb and Razorclaw look good in robot mode and I would like rampage if he had a face. Still feeling underwhelmed overall due to the individual alt modes.


Then there is me, and I don't like any of these options. :( so just like Devastator, I will continue to do without.

Also just like Devastator, if the individual figures had been deluxe sized, this would have been much, much better. I don't understand the need for a Titan Class outside of city bots.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960896)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 22nd, 2018 @ 6:24am CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:From day one I formed an opinion and it hasnt changed so far, no matter the amount of pics.
And that is that I love that combined mode. It looks dynamic and easily the most competent at doing fun poses out of all the options out there

Image

However, as I thought from day 1, I do not like those individual animal modes (aside from Rampage). Though Divebomb and Razorclaw look good in robot mode and I would like rampage if he had a face. Still feeling underwhelmed overall due to the individual alt modes.


Then there is me, and I don't like any of these options. :( so just like Devastator, I will continue to do without.

Also just like Devastator, if the individual figures had been deluxe sized, this would have been much, much better. I don't understand the need for a Titan Class outside of city bots.


To each their own. But seeing them all side-by-side.... I think Hasbro’s is the most dynamic and definitely the most affordable (outside the G1 re-issue/platinum set). I also think the Titan does the best job representing his bulking shoulder cannons. And I feel his arm cannon is probably the best balanced (though it felt “small” at first...).

Again with the “devy should/could have been deluxe”... maybe? I know it would have definitely lead to QC issues with Takara’s elbow edits. And even at voyager scale.... some of the engineering choices were a little intimidating (though they could have used a thicker/more durable plastic— though that wouldn’t have worked at deluxe scale).

Again.... a lot of it is trade-offs. Budget constraints, wanting that “big IT item”, to be honest considering how luke warm (over produced?) Tyripticon was.... Predaking may be their “make or break” Titan. We’ll see I guess.

Also to those that keep wanting a (leader) larger Razorclaw.... I will continue to direct your attention to along Haul from Titan Devastaor. At then end of the day.... someone’s going to need that heavy thigh/ratchet assembly.... and Long Haul took the hit for the constructicons. Tantrum and Rampage may have all the back kibble and look a bit like bricks in beast mode.... but they look infinitely more like themselves/dynamic than poor Long Haul.
Re: In-Hand Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking (1960898)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 22nd, 2018 @ 6:54am CDT
I think the issue is though that the hips could have been integrated better if razorclaw was a bigger size. I actually agree though that razorclaw should have been bigger, not just because combiners generally now have a bigger leader but because his alt is fantastic, thus needs to be more of a centre piece.

Now as for them being more deluxe sized well, that would have been fun for scramble city combinations (and with some creativity on my part, I could have recreated gaogaigar with transformers :lol:*


*-it would have been a stretch but a bit of imagination and anything is possible :-)

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