iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12

iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12

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We have a little more comics news for you all this day, courtesy of iTunes once more and Seibertron.com admin-slash-TwincasterPodcaster ScottyP - and despite it being a little early, we get a new look at the opening pages of the next issue of Transformers: Lost Light from IDW Publishing!

The concluding issue to the Mutineers Trilogy, number #12, brings us back to the oil reservoir and Riptide's punishment at the hands of Getaway and Atomizer - what will happen from here? Will we actually see the Protectobots and Defensor turn up again in the story? What is up with Atomizer? Is Sunder still chompign down on brain modules? Find out in a couple weeks' time, and join the discussion - with some added panache from episode 190 of the Twincast / Podcast, if you're so inclined - in the Energon Pub!

NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve—something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.


Transformers News: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12

Transformers News: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12

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Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925747)
Posted by ScottyP on December 8th, 2017 @ 9:12am CST
We asked Sunday if we'd ever seen Riptide's boat mode. Well, there it is! Neat :)
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925763)
Posted by WreckerJack on December 8th, 2017 @ 10:20am CST
Cover B looks amazing for this one.

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Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925768)
Posted by Ironhidensh on December 8th, 2017 @ 10:42am CST
ScottyP wrote:We asked Sunday if we'd ever seen Riptide's boat mode. Well, there it is! Neat :)

I'm pretty sure that we saw it in one of the Brainstorm time chase issues.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925770)
Posted by Randomhero on December 8th, 2017 @ 10:46am CST
Ironhidensh wrote:
ScottyP wrote:We asked Sunday if we'd ever seen Riptide's boat mode. Well, there it is! Neat :)

I'm pretty sure that we saw it in one of the Brainstorm time chase issues.



Yeah it’s popped up a couple times. Elegant chaos and when tailgate and Getaway used him as a fishing boat
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925811)
Posted by ScottyP on December 8th, 2017 @ 12:58pm CST
Randomhero wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
ScottyP wrote:We asked Sunday if we'd ever seen Riptide's boat mode. Well, there it is! Neat :)

I'm pretty sure that we saw it in one of the Brainstorm time chase issues.



Yeah it’s popped up a couple times. Elegant chaos and when tailgate and Getaway used him as a fishing boat
Ah, right. That latter one feels like it'll come up again now as well. Thanks to you both!
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925835)
Posted by Deadput on December 8th, 2017 @ 3:06pm CST
Atomizer suddenly remembers that he's an Autobot, and not one of the immoral ones who I don't understand why they were Autobots in the first place.

I really don't understand why Roberts went with the whole Getaway is wrong and unredeemable instead of...well the far more interesting way of Getaway having an actual point because up till recently he did have one with Rodimus being a horrible Captain (And just a horrible'y written character who tends to forget about character development) and Megatron just being off the hook basically and becoming one of the captains of the ship. (I like Megatron's story on the Lost Light or at least most of it)

It be nice to have an Antagonist who wasn't just evil with little else going for them (Overlord, Tyrest, Star Saber, DjD, Froid, etc)

At least these last few issues have been better then that bore that was most of Lost Light prior to returning to well the Lost Light.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925840)
Posted by Randomhero on December 8th, 2017 @ 3:13pm CST
Deadput wrote:Atomizer suddenly remembers that he's an Autobot, and not one of the immoral ones who I don't understand why they were Autobots in the first place.

I really don't understand why Roberts went with the whole Getaway is wrong and unredeemable instead of...well the far more interesting way of Getaway having an actual point because up till recently he did have one with Rodimus being a horrible Captain (And just a horrible'y written character who tends to forget about character development) and Megatron just being off the hook basically and becoming one of the captains of the ship. (I like Megatron's story on the Lost Light or at least most of it)

It be nice to have an Antagonist who wasn't just evil with little else going for them (Overlord, Tyrest, Star Saber, DjD, Froid, etc)

At least these last few issues have been better then that bore that was most of Lost Light prior to returning to well the Lost Light.



I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s remembered he’s an autobot. They’re all autobots. IDW autobots are so grey morally ambiguous anymore. He’s just remembered he has a conscience...but he still participated in killing 25 autobots. Safe to assume they were all made up autobots for right now since we’ve seen almost all the famous bots on board
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925853)
Posted by Deadput on December 8th, 2017 @ 4:29pm CST
Randomhero wrote:I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s remembered he’s an autobot. They’re all autobots. IDW autobots are so grey morally ambiguous anymore. He’s just remembered he has a conscience...but he still participated in killing 25 autobots. Safe to assume they were all made up autobots for right now since we’ve seen almost all the famous bots on board


Oh yeah I almost forgot about the biggest flaw of IDW, Almost every Autobot is so bloody emotionally bland with all the moody gray.

It's rare to see Autobots being actual Autobots even Optimus who so happens to be less moral then the Bay films guy. (And I love the Bay films but I know how much Optimus can get)

Anyways their clearly setting up Atomizer to turn on Getaway.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925859)
Posted by ricemazter on December 8th, 2017 @ 5:23pm CST
Deadput wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s remembered he’s an autobot. They’re all autobots. IDW autobots are so grey morally ambiguous anymore. He’s just remembered he has a conscience...but he still participated in killing 25 autobots. Safe to assume they were all made up autobots for right now since we’ve seen almost all the famous bots on board


Oh yeah I almost forgot about the biggest flaw of IDW, Almost every Autobot is so bloody emotionally bland with all the moody gray.

It's rare to see Autobots being actual Autobots even Optimus who so happens to be less moral then the Bay films guy. (And I love the Bay films but I know how much Optimus can get)

Anyways their clearly setting up Atomizer to turn on Getaway.


Eh, I kind of like that the Autobots in IDW have their own foibles and gray areas. A lot if that, I think, owes to the writing in IDW where it seems the vast majority of Autobots joined because a) they saw that the Decepticons were going to be a problem, b) benefited under Cybertron's pre-war society and didn't want to see that go up in smoke or knew the Decepticons would be coming for them, or c) were literally born into war like Getaway.

I like that a lot if them don't necessarily agree with Optimus 100 percent of the time and don't have a high opinion of organics because why would they?

If there's one big issue I have with IDW at the moment it's that they didn't fully explore post-war reconciliation before sort of dropping it. Like, there are countless Autobots and Decepticons who, as MTOs, were brought online specifically to fight a war they didn't have a steak in. The idea that most of them are just fine with that and don't have some serious complaints about the ethics of their situation is crazy.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925869)
Posted by Daniel Adkins on December 8th, 2017 @ 6:13pm CST
Deadput wrote:Atomizer suddenly remembers that he's an Autobot, and not one of the immoral ones who I don't understand why they were Autobots in the first place.

I really don't understand why Roberts went with the whole Getaway is wrong and unredeemable instead of...well the far more interesting way of Getaway having an actual point because up till recently he did have one with Rodimus being a horrible Captain (And just a horrible'y written character who tends to forget about character development) and Megatron just being off the hook basically and becoming one of the captains of the ship. (I like Megatron's story on the Lost Light or at least most of it)

It be nice to have an Antagonist who wasn't just evil with little else going for them (Overlord, Tyrest, Star Saber, DjD, Froid, etc)

At least these last few issues have been better then that bore that was most of Lost Light prior to returning to well the Lost Light.

Here's the thing, though: Getaway has never been a good guy. He was planning the mutiny since back before Megatron ever got on the ship. He didn't actually care about Megatron not getting punished for his crimes, it just made a useful tool to sway others to his cause.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925888)
Posted by Deadput on December 8th, 2017 @ 9:24pm CST
Daniel Adkins wrote:Here's the thing, though: Getaway has never been a good guy. He was planning the mutiny since back before Megatron ever got on the ship. He didn't actually care about Megatron not getting punished for his crimes, it just made a useful tool to sway others to his cause.


Yeah that's the case now that we have more information but before then we had no idea, the comic did not show how evil Getaway was...why is he even an Autobot in the first place?

Prowl's a prick but at the very least he does the things he does because he is trying to make everything better, Getaway is just a scumbag which sucks for me because I really like Getaway years ago...now that I think about it I have no idea why he was just another car Autobot who so happen to die a lot in comics.

ricemazter wrote:
Eh, I kind of like that the Autobots in IDW have their own foibles and gray areas. A lot if that, I think, owes to the writing in IDW where it seems the vast majority of Autobots joined because a) they saw that the Decepticons were going to be a problem, b) benefited under Cybertron's pre-war society and didn't want to see that go up in smoke or knew the Decepticons would be coming for them, or c) were literally born into war like Getaway.

I like that a lot if them don't necessarily agree with Optimus 100 percent of the time and don't have a high opinion of organics because why would they?

If there's one big issue I have with IDW at the moment it's that they didn't fully explore post-war reconciliation before sort of dropping it. Like, there are countless Autobots and Decepticons who, as MTOs, were brought online specifically to fight a war they didn't have a steak in. The idea that most of them are just fine with that and don't have some serious complaints about the ethics of their situation is crazy.


Here is the thing I don't mind grey Autobots at all...when their the few exceptions and not the majority of the entire faction but at the very least people like Jazz and Bumblebee should not be like that at all.

And especially not god damn Optimus Prime who is slowly becoming even more like scum and that really should never be the case, he is a worse Optimus then people think Bayverse Prime is, you also don't need most of the Autobots to be immoral to question Prime there are other ways you can have characters question him.


Transformers does not work as a grey vs grey franchise and it never will, I really wish comics would stop making everything so damn nitty gritty and dark these days because when it's the main thing and not the occasional it becomes depressing and why the hell would I want to feel constantly depressed while reading the comics?

It's like if all I ever ate for snacks was dark chocolate it becomes boring every once in awhile, eventually I'm gonna want skittles or something.

It's why I probably enjoy the Nu Rid show a lot more then I normally would have.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925898)
Posted by Randomhero on December 8th, 2017 @ 10:26pm CST
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the Autobots having a dark side. In war there’s so such thing as pure good vs pure evil. Hell, during WWII the allied sides tried some weird stuff during the war. Trying to make incendiary bat to bomb japan, trying to paint dogs with glow in the dark paint and releasing them in Japan as a form of psychological warfare etc.

I do however think Roberts does maybe emphasize too much on the bad sides of the Autobots though.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925901)
Posted by Blozor on December 8th, 2017 @ 10:47pm CST
Deadput wrote:And especially not god damn Optimus Prime who is slowly becoming even more like scum and that really should never be the case, he is a worse Optimus then people think Bayverse Prime is, you also don't need most of the Autobots to be immoral to question Prime there are other ways you can have characters question him.


I kinda find it interesting that, as Megatron tries so hard to do good, Optimus Prime is finding his principles more compromised. Their roles are reversing--a little abruptly for Megatron, but far slower and more nuanced, more natural, for Prime.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925905)
Posted by Deadput on December 8th, 2017 @ 11:13pm CST
Randomhero wrote:I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the Autobots having a dark side. In war there’s so such thing as pure good vs pure evil. Hell, during WWII the allied sides tried some weird stuff during the war. Trying to make incendiary bat to bomb japan, trying to paint dogs with glow in the dark paint and releasing them in Japan as a form of psychological warfare etc.

I do however think Roberts does maybe emphasize too much on the bad sides of the Autobots though.


This is not real life though it's a fictional comic meant for entertainment if I wanted a realistic war I would go watch all of the depressing and soul killing documentations about all the human wars

It's bloody boring now just like how unoriginal it is that every other Prime besides Optimus (And in IDW he's just barley better) is evil which kinda makes the Primes a plot whole since their apparently supposed to be the "greatest" of them all.

I loved stories like Last Stand of The Wreckers but in that story the darkness of the story served a purpose and we loved it so much for plenty of reasons one of them being how refreshing it was to see a darker take of the Transformers but IDW has taken that aspect and run it into the ground and made it the only thing the IDW universe is anymore.

The Darkness of a story should only be occasional and not the whole thing, remember how horrifying it was to see Blurr's fate in Transformers Animated even if it was retconned later? That would not have been as effective if the story wasn't so light hearted most of the time before hand.

Dark chocolate is a snack not a whole meal if that makes any sense.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925906)
Posted by Deadput on December 8th, 2017 @ 11:14pm CST
Blozor wrote:
Deadput wrote:And especially not god damn Optimus Prime who is slowly becoming even more like scum and that really should never be the case, he is a worse Optimus then people think Bayverse Prime is, you also don't need most of the Autobots to be immoral to question Prime there are other ways you can have characters question him.


I kinda find it interesting that, as Megatron tries so hard to do good, Optimus Prime is finding his principles more compromised. Their roles are reversing--a little abruptly for Megatron, but far slower and more nuanced, more natural, for Prime.


The concept of the idea is a good one but the execution on the other hand is not that great.

Overall Optimus Prime in idw has been at his best when he's not Optimus Prime but the two times he was Orion Pax.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925943)
Posted by ebonyleopard on December 9th, 2017 @ 9:00am CST
This may be one of the biggest spoiler previews I've seen to date. Come on guys, you can do better than this. The Riptide moment was the big one of the previous issue, to spoil it like this.....
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1925960)
Posted by Va'al on December 9th, 2017 @ 12:09pm CST
Ebonyleopard wrote:This may be one of the biggest spoiler previews I've seen to date. Come on guys, you can do better than this. The Riptide moment was the big one of the previous issue, to spoil it like this.....


The previews are indeed a giant spoiler for the trade readers, rather than month-to-month followers, that much is true. However, that has also always been the case.
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1927852)
Posted by Va'al on December 23rd, 2017 @ 2:01pm CST
After the Twincast Podcast Mainframes episode in which we spent over an hour talking about a number of elements present in IDW Publishing's Transformers: Lost Light #11.. the full preview for the final chapter in the Mutineers' Trilogy (LOst Light #12) already negates at least three of our major speculation points!

You can check out the preview below, and let us know what you think of the arc so far in the Energon Pub discussion boards.

Transformers: Lost Light #12—Cover A: Jack Lawrence
James Roberts (w) • Jack Lawrence (a & c)
NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve—something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet points:
Variant cover by Livio Ramondelli!


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Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1927921)
Posted by avarathriul on December 23rd, 2017 @ 10:38pm CST
so excited
Re: iTunes Preview for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #12 (1928350)
Posted by Va'al on December 27th, 2017 @ 1:31am CST
Go Away
(Spoiler free-ish)



Synopsis
NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve—something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.

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Self-awareness is good, I guess..?


Story

This week, we return to the Lost Light, and look at the ever-eventful continuations of the horrors contained within the mind, actions and direct respondents of one ship's new self-appointed captain. Welcome back to Getaway, Atomizer, and the Plotters' Club in the conclusion to the Mutineers' Trilogy - Lost Light #12. And, I feel the need to proceed with caution here, as I have yet to make my mind up about the issue. Bear with me.

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I'm getting there


Looking at the things that work, then: the interlude and the main story, taken as their own beasts, are good frames within which the two threads operate, with a connection (or several, but one in particular) that is as obvious as it is likely to miss with everything else happening. They also both nicely set-up some more world-work that we are bound to see soon. Also, First Aid continues to delight, and the action sequences are, on the whole, placed down nicely.

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well paced; painful, but well paced


Which leads me to the main concern: pacing. I've discussed this with staff, and there are wildly differing views, of no help at all, that the sequences are running to fast, too disconnected, and trying to gather together too many yarns and making a big knot out of them than a tapestry. There is undoubtedly a lot going on in the issue, and I feel like you can take that one way or another entirely, without necessarily discrediting the opposite view.

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...basically


The better comments to reconcile the two parts of my appreciation for the book do not find their place in this review, for the simple reason that they are entirely based on the latter part of the book, and I do not wish to simply discuss plot. My concerns with pacing remain, however, and I will add a couple of extra, more potentially spoilery notes in the section at the end of this piece.


Art

The art on the issue is in the hands of two different artists, for a very specific in-plot reason too: Jack Lawrence on the main frame, and Andrew Griffith on the interlude section featuring the return of a fair number of characters. And where the first has no real criticisms from me, the latter's linework felt oddly out of place, compared to track record: it may have been just an issue of time, it may be the contrast between two very different styles, but it stood out in not the most positive of ways - that said, the layouts are excellent, and the scenes do play out well, the issue is almost entirely with the details.

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I'm not sure why


Lending fuel to the idea that there may have been a time-constraint element to the issue's production, there are three colourists to look at for the art: Joana Lafuente, Priscilla Tramontano, JP Bove. The major contrast is only really to be found in the interlude vs main story, but even there something wasn't entirely in sync between lines and colours, and perhaps a darker palette on the Lost Light scenes may have helped consolidate some of the moments we're witnessing - though the hangar scenes looked really quite apt.

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it's the little things


The lettering by Tom B. Long has some really nice moments, scattered through the book, that play with the more humorous moments (dark humour, at that) and the more action-heavy scenes, and never feel out of place - the dialogue is heavy, not helping with the density of the script, but placing flows well in the panels. The cover I thought most worked for this review is the Alex Milne/Josh Perez moment of frustrated anger (nicely cut at the thigh, too), but the other two main variants are definitely worth their presence, and the Ramondelli Megatron companion to the Optimus Prime one in a previous comic is nice enough as an RI. You can, of course, see them all in our database entry here.

Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

I haven't shied away in previous reviews and general comments on the series (and this arc specifically) from expressing my dislike of how plots are created and made to work - especially with some of the character build-ups (except for First Aid and Atomizer), and the over-the-top rounding off of Getaway after issue #10. That said, and as ScottyP reminded me in the email discussion we had, liking or disliking the story valid criticism is not.

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Sums it up for me


I, personally, cannot say I enjoyed the issue that much at all, but I recognise that point as extremely valid. So here is my critical thought on the issue: it is dense, definitely so, and the pacing is very very rushed but that may be exactly what it is supposed to do - except.. the problems with the visual side of things drag this down further for me, and I really want to know what happened.

The action-packed sequences on the Lost Light mirror the action of the interlude, with two different feelings of horror and frustration, seen from two very different perspectives, but not well executed enough to fully land, for me. As a whole, where this is most definitely not a book for an entry level reader, longtime followers may equally react very well or very poorly to the story, depending on your interest in the wider picture versus the more immediate character and plot work of the arc. Your Mileage May (Very Much) Vary.



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