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Posted by william-james88 on May 3rd, 2018 @ 1:19pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:They are both labeled as "Transformers Generations" products and come in boxes with similar visual style and graphic design.
I assume you are referring to how the toys ship from the warehouse, not the packaging of the toys themselves?? -It could be, I don't know, but I do know that while some fans said there was nothing to be worried about with the Studio series taking up shelf space that could otherwise be used for PotP, I can say, this is NOW a legitimate concern of mine. I know this is supposed to be a *Best of the Best* from all 5 movies but...lets be honest, while I never collected any Movie based toys, the lines for the first 3 films seemingly sold fairly well, the last 2 however (AoE & TLK), were way overproduced and shelf warmed to near disgusting levels. Heck there are still some TLK toys clogging shelves of Targets, the only reason walmart got them out is because they clearance them out at up to 70% off. Hasbro should have taken a break with the movie line, I mean BB toys will probably start showing up around October. We could have enjoyed PotP until then. Of course I expect to see RiD15 toys on clearance next because those fugly Cyberverse toys I know are coming .
Studio series arrived way quicker, and in much greater quantities than I expected, and funny enough, they aren't moving.
The previous films also sold terribly. They are notorious for still having stck from a previous movie line when the new movie rolls out, which did not happen with AOE and TLK.
Here are a few shelfwarmers for you
Also, FYI,the Bumblebee movie toys deluxes/voyagers/leaders will be part of the studio series line so there wont be an issue for shelfspace (if there is one).
Posted by o.supreme on May 3rd, 2018 @ 1:27pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Also, FYI,the Bumblebee movie toys deluxes/voyagers/leaders will be part of the studio series line so there wont be an issue for shelfspace (if there is one).
Good to know the BB toys wont be another separate line. Also, we both agree Movie toys sold terribly, and were overproduced. The only difference is that there were 3 years between AoE and TLK, and there were only 2 years between the previous films, so obviously there was more spillover. Also I think more affirmative clearance was done by the last 2 movie lines to try to get them out of the stores, but like I said, TLK toys are still around. Also the other movie lines had additional assortments even after the movie was long gone, not so for AoE & TLK, those toys were bad enough, didn't need more of them.
Posted by WreckerJack on May 3rd, 2018 @ 1:28pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on May 3rd, 2018 @ 1:31pm CDT
WreckerJack wrote:I noticed that too. Most Studio series figures I saw at one time was 4 and wasn't even the full set. Of course I bought one though
2 weeks ago I walked into a walmart where I do my grocery shopping. They had a case fresh set of deluxes (8) Studio series. Yesterday I walked into the same walmart, after 2 weeks, the only difference was that some of the packaging had been beat up (especially one of the Bumblebees), but none of the 8 deluxes had been purchased. Oh and they got in SS Voyagers, that was new.
Posted by Brokebot on May 3rd, 2018 @ 3:25pm CDT
Posted by Hip-Hoptimus Rime on May 3rd, 2018 @ 5:13pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Thanks to a heads up from Seibertronian Reluctantyouth, we have news that the Power of the Primes voyagers have apparently gone on sale!
Upon first seeing this news, I thought I'd buy Starscream and skip Grimlock, but watching a couple of review videos last night made me flip-flop- Starscream looks not-bad in bot mode, but jet mode is just weak. Grimlock looks good in dino mode, and great in bot mode. Going to grab him, and if it's at $10, better.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 3rd, 2018 @ 9:47pm CDT
And I've only seen a single SS Crowbar too. A lot of the stores around me have surplus Dreadwinds, legends, and Prime masters, but the voyagers have gone quickly and the leaders are nonexistent, for either line.
Posted by william-james88 on May 3rd, 2018 @ 11:39pm CDT
Posted by WreckerJack on May 3rd, 2018 @ 11:41pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 3rd, 2018 @ 11:45pm CDT
By "popular", he means that Jazz and the Dinobots were all bought but not Dreadwind.WreckerJack wrote:That is Dreadwind. I don't see a single Jazz in that pic. (Unless you have yet to post it.)
And, yeah, Dreadwind wasn't a cartoon character, Will, so it makes sense that he gets left behind.
Posted by o.supreme on May 4th, 2018 @ 9:16am CDT
Yeah I kind of had the same experience with Dreadwind. I saw a whole 4 of him at one store one time! (The most I've ever seen). He's definitely a shelf warmer (not saying you are wrong wj, just again pointing out the disparity between in stock PotP in Canada vs U.S. For me, seeing 4 of anything (other than Prime Masters) is almost unheard of thus far.
Posted by william-james88 on May 4th, 2018 @ 10:34am CDT
WreckerJack wrote:That is Dreadwind. I don't see a single Jazz in that pic. (Unless you have yet to post it.)
Yeah, thats wht I mean, he isnt there proving that he must be popular. And assuming some Dreadwinds sols (I know i bought one from that place), then it must mean there were a ton of cases and all those Jazzes sold super well.
And Sabre, this brings about a good point. I always supported the idea that Hasbro made toys primarily for kids and that the older fans were but a subset of the market. If the reason for Dreadwind not selling is because he was not in a 30 year old show, then that means that this show is a determining factor and not just the toys themselves, and yet I am assuming little kids havent watched G1 enough to know who Jazz is. So these toys must be bought mainly by fans. Is that wrong to assume? Or maybe its just because cars are cooler than planes or the MAGA thing made him more collectable (like the time suddenly everybody ws walking into a comic shop because there was a cover of Obama and Spider-man).
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on May 4th, 2018 @ 12:27pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Well I could see that perhaps with the Voyagers. But the Deluxes for SS are boxed while for PotP they are carded, its a pretty big difference. Also the Price Points are different, as is the SKU (even though they are both labeled as Generations). I would hope most retailers would know the difference.
And yet, I went to a Target a few days ago to find them completely out of PotP deluxes, but the pegs for the PotP deluxes were filled with SS deluxes. If they are filling an empty peg, it doesn't even matter if they look similar or not, the general name would be enough to confuse an employee that is not a TF expert like most of us collectors are.
Posted by o.supreme on May 4th, 2018 @ 12:32pm CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:o.supreme wrote:Well I could see that perhaps with the Voyagers. But the Deluxes for SS are boxed while for PotP they are carded, its a pretty big difference. Also the Price Points are different, as is the SKU (even though they are both labeled as Generations). I would hope most retailers would know the difference.
And yet, I went to a Target a few days ago to find them completely out of PotP deluxes, but the pegs for the PotP deluxes were filled with SS deluxes. If they are filling an empty peg, it doesn't even matter if they look similar or not, the general name would be enough to confuse an employee that is not a TF expert like most of us collectors are.
ok I'm confused now. Do the Studio Series deluxe Boxes even have plastic peg holders (like TLK packaging?), every Walmart I've been to, they just put the box on a shelf, not hanging them on pegs....I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the packaging since they really don't interest me. If they do that's even worse. Stores are going to be clogged with these things and PotP will get choked out.
Posted by Seibertron on May 4th, 2018 @ 12:44pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:ok I'm confused now. Do the Studio Series deluxe Boxes even have plastic peg holders (like TLK packaging?), every Walmart I've been to, they just put the box on a shelf, not hanging them on pegs....I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the packaging since they really don't interest me. If they do that's even worse. Stores are going to be clogged with these things and PotP will get choked out.
Yes, the Studio Series deluxe class figures have plastic peg holders.
Posted by o.supreme on May 4th, 2018 @ 12:56pm CDT
Posted by Skritz on May 4th, 2018 @ 3:47pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
Yeah I kind of had the same experience with Dreadwind. I saw a whole 4 of him at one store one time! (The most I've ever seen). He's definitely a shelf warmer (not saying you are wrong wj, just again pointing out the disparity between in stock PotP in Canada vs U.S. For me, seeing 4 of anything (other than Prime Masters) is almost unheard of thus far.
After work I checked my local Wal-Mart and TRU: nothing but Wave 1 restock and Studio Series.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 4th, 2018 @ 4:01pm CDT
Posted by Skritz on May 4th, 2018 @ 4:02pm CDT
Posted by WreckerJack on May 4th, 2018 @ 5:28pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 4th, 2018 @ 5:53pm CDT
He's been in the Marvel G1 comics, the BotCon Classics comics, Regeneration One, parts of IDW G1, and a few minor things.WreckerJack wrote:They should have included him in a comic or something at the very least.
In fact, he was the longest-running host of the Marvel UK letters pages, from issues 184 to 299, a whopping 116 issues, with Grimlock being second only to him, having hosted the letters pages from 75 to 182 (108 issues). During his tenure of "Dread Tidings", Dreadwind would refer to humans as "humes", made the first indirect reference in the West to Super-God Masterforce airing in Malaysia, and even starred in his own Christmas text story that was a parody of A Christmas Carol.
Posted by Ultra Markus on May 4th, 2018 @ 9:36pm CDT
they were fun to watch on masterforceSabrblade wrote:He's been in the Marvel G1 comics, the BotCon Classics comics, Regeneration One, parts of IDW G1, and a few minor things.WreckerJack wrote:They should have included him in a comic or something at the very least.
In fact, he was the longest-running host of the Marvel UK letters pages, from issues 184 to 299, a whopping 116 issues, with Grimlock being second only to him, having hosted the letters pages from 75 to 182 (108 issues). During his tenure of "Dread Tidings", Dreadwind would refer to humans as "humes", made the first indirect reference in the West to Super-God Masterforce airing in Malaysia, and even starred in his own Christmas text story that was a parody of A Christmas Carol.
Posted by Sabrblade on May 4th, 2018 @ 9:38pm CDT
That was Buster, not Dreadwind.Ultra Markus wrote:they were fun to watch on masterforceSabrblade wrote:He's been in the Marvel G1 comics, the BotCon Classics comics, Regeneration One, parts of IDW G1, and a few minor things.WreckerJack wrote:They should have included him in a comic or something at the very least.
In fact, he was the longest-running host of the Marvel UK letters pages, from issues 184 to 299, a whopping 116 issues, with Grimlock being second only to him, having hosted the letters pages from 75 to 182 (108 issues). During his tenure of "Dread Tidings", Dreadwind would refer to humans as "humes", made the first indirect reference in the West to Super-God Masterforce airing in Malaysia, and even starred in his own Christmas text story that was a parody of A Christmas Carol.
Posted by Ultra Markus on May 4th, 2018 @ 9:56pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:That was Buster, not Dreadwind.Ultra Markus wrote:they were fun to watch on masterforceSabrblade wrote:He's been in the Marvel G1 comics, the BotCon Classics comics, Regeneration One, parts of IDW G1, and a few minor things.WreckerJack wrote:They should have included him in a comic or something at the very least.
In fact, he was the longest-running host of the Marvel UK letters pages, from issues 184 to 299, a whopping 116 issues, with Grimlock being second only to him, having hosted the letters pages from 75 to 182 (108 issues). During his tenure of "Dread Tidings", Dreadwind would refer to humans as "humes", made the first indirect reference in the West to Super-God Masterforce airing in Malaysia, and even starred in his own Christmas text story that was a parody of A Christmas Carol.
I know I'm just saying that it was fun watching them as those other guys
Posted by Evil Eye on May 5th, 2018 @ 2:18pm CDT
As an update to Skullgrin he's kinda lame. As a representation of Liege Maximo he's also pretty weak. But as a little sentient "Matrix of Corruption" entombed within a sarcophagus that can also form a "Hand of Command" he's damn cool. Especially for £6.
Posted by Skritz on May 5th, 2018 @ 2:57pm CDT
Black Hat wrote:Got Skullgrin/Liege Maximo today.
As an update to Skullgrin he's kinda lame. As a representation of Liege Maximo he's also pretty weak. But as a little sentient "Matrix of Corruption" entombed within a sarcophagus that can also form a "Hand of Command" he's damn cool. Especially for £6.
He'd be a much better Liege Maximo if his 'Matrix' was green, obviously, but that's the issue with most Prime Masters: they are closer to the Pretender character than the Prime they represent. For some it works (see: the upcoming Solus) but for most it doesn't.
Posted by Va'al on May 6th, 2018 @ 2:51am CDT
But today we bring you the core element of new Dinobot combiner Volcanicus, and the figure doing the crunches: Power of the Primes voyager Grimlock! Check out the three rotating images below, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub - have you formed the new gestalt yet? Is there anything else you'd like to see from the line?
Posted by DeathReviews on May 6th, 2018 @ 10:36am CDT
Va'al wrote:We've already seen a number of the 'Leaked from Cybertron' mini clips, showing a quick carousel of images for figures from the line - usually schematics, prototypes and the final stock image of the toy - including the whole collection of Dinobots from the first waves: Swoop, Snarl, Sludge, Slash (plus Studio Series Blackout and Grimlock).
But today we bring you the core element of new Dinobot combiner Volcanicus, and the figure doing the crunches: Power of the Primes voyager Grimlock! Check out the three rotating images below, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub - have you formed the new gestalt yet? Is there anything else you'd like to see from the line?
Looking at the concept sketches, and the final version, my first thought is, 'What went wrong?' The forelegs and the toe claws looked SO much better in concept. The final version has those dinky little stubs on the toes, and them gargantuan thighs. I know sacrifices had to be made for a gestalt mode, but it still feels like they phoned it in.
Posted by SpacerAM2 on May 6th, 2018 @ 12:43pm CDT
Posted by Munkky on May 6th, 2018 @ 1:16pm CDT
While Amazon Canada has a listing for Repugnus: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0785P78QD?tag=seibertron0b-20&
Posted by Skritz on May 6th, 2018 @ 1:31pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on May 6th, 2018 @ 3:15pm CDT
Munkky wrote:If it hasn't already been discussed, Amazon US has a listing up for Counterpunch: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077ZBCPDV?tag=seibertron07-20&
While Amazon Canada has a listing for Repugnus: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0785P78QD?tag=seibertron0b-20&
Yeah, we've debated just what these figures will actually be earlier this year when they were listed on other stores. They're expected to be part of May Mayhem, but Hasbro is being ridiculously silent on that. I'm still hoping Repugnus is a Titan Return mold to go with the other two Monsterbots, but not everyone is convinced.
Emerje
Posted by Jeffrohurt on May 6th, 2018 @ 3:31pm CDT
Posted by SpacerAM2 on May 6th, 2018 @ 3:35pm CDT
Found a Hun-Gurr and Elita-1 at the local Wal-Mart. Didn't buy either for now but it's good to see they have indeed appeared at retail.
that is good news. so there is a chance perhaps.
Posted by Emerje on May 6th, 2018 @ 3:49pm CDT
Jeffrohurt wrote:When does the Mayhem usually start? Been refreshing the listings every day just to see when they go live. I've missed the last couple years and want a jump for this year...
Typically the end of the month, but Hasbro usually announces them in late March/early April so we're a little clueless. I can't remember if we've actually seen proof of May Mayhem happening this year or if we just assumed it is because of all the exclusives being listed around the same time. 2016 was a mess with the bulk of the Grooves coming in October, but 2015 wasn't terribly hard to get in the first week if you shopped around. They're limited and online-only, but they're not exclusive, they're sold at most retailers that sell Transformers.
Emerje
Posted by william-james88 on May 6th, 2018 @ 6:33pm CDT
SpacerAM2 wrote:will the retailer stores skip waves like they did last year in favor of bayformer toys? because I have never seen wave 2 of the deluxes of transformers power of the prime toys. last year never saw twin twist, overlord, misfire, etc. I barely saw sixshot and trypticon. distribution shouldn't be this bad but unfortunately it is. i'm wondering if i'll ever see either sludge and snarl on the shelves?
Retailers did not skip generations toys in favour of movie toys. In fact, every single titans return toy was found in the US, albeit some in very small quantities. However, some movie toys have never ever been found in the US. To this day all US retailers have skipped the final wave of transformers the last night deluxe toys and legion class toys. So it is movie toys that got a bigger shaft than the generations toys.
Posted by fenrir72 on May 7th, 2018 @ 12:08am CDT
Qwan wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Hb must have over estimated 'screamer's worth/popularity. He's like PotP Bayfomrer's Bumblebee. The fig is like cluttering all the TRU stores I've been too!
It's either :
There are bands of scalpers gobbling up all the "we want figs" or Hb did another clusterfrack in distribution!
Or he's just another figure that's not selling as well as his wavemates - those happen all the time (Twinferno is probably a good recent example). I don't think there's really any way Hasbro could've reasonably packed less of him per case than they were already doing, and still actually distributed the toy.
Now as for whether it was a good call putting him in Wave 1 - the wave that almost certainly every store will get in large amounts - that's definitely up for debate, but I don't think this is exactly a distribution disaster on par with TLK or anything like that.
Nope! This happened already when Takara miscalculated the popularity of a figure and over manufactured.
1. 2001/2002 Godginrai gift set.
2. 2005 Starconvoy (though this one would have been remedied if Grandus and Skygarry was also released to complete the Battlestars)
3. TFC Stepper
Gg was one of the popular me want ones for collectors. Same with Starconvoy. Also, Stepper.
So Starscream (Not popular? Really?) Compared to Twinferno, he's not even close to holding Starscream's boot straps! Too bad though (Elita is a better one of the mold though)
Posted by Va'al on May 7th, 2018 @ 3:33am CDT
The figures have been discussed previously, as Seibertronian Emerje points out below, as they appeared on other retailers as listings, but the Amazon appearance may be giving more of a solid base to the idea of either May Mayhem or San Diego Comic Con (or even New York Comic Con) bringing two new molds to the fray. We have no images or specific descriptions yet either, so stay tuned to find out more!
Emerje wrote:Yeah, we've debated just what these figures will actually be earlier this year when they were listed on other stores. They're expected to be part of May Mayhem, but Hasbro is being ridiculously silent on that. I'm still hoping Repugnus is a Titan Return mold to go with the other two Monsterbots, but not everyone is convinced.
Posted by Prime Target on May 7th, 2018 @ 3:48am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 7th, 2018 @ 5:37am CDT
Prime Target wrote:Y.E.S it's about time these two got new full figure toys! Counterpunch especially Repugnus is Cool but Counterpunch is where it's at man! He better be a new Punch/Counterpunch with two new robot modes with a relatively simple conversion from one to the other
I've got a feeling you may be disappointed with counterpunch
Posted by Rated X on May 7th, 2018 @ 6:53am CDT
Posted by YoungPrime on May 7th, 2018 @ 8:32am CDT
Rated X wrote:All you need is that TFCC Punch/Counterpunch. That sunstreaker mold pulls it off so well who needs a new figure? Gimmie a repugnus please. And as much as I hate the idea, make him a stinking headmaster to make the trio on the same page.
No, that's all you needed. I've never been all that psyched with that Sunstreaker mold. Sunstreaker, Sideswipe and Redlert could all use a decent new mold IMO. So I'm not about to pay some ridiculous price for a TFCC version or Counterpunch on eBAY. So here's to hopes that this new Counterpunch looks better and cheaper if the rumor is even true.
That Repugnus character has always been Meh to me. So if I do buy a new one it'll only be based off impulse.
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 7th, 2018 @ 8:52am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on May 7th, 2018 @ 9:08am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:That was Buster, not Dreadwind.Ultra Markus wrote:they were fun to watch on masterforceSabrblade wrote:He's been in the Marvel G1 comics, the BotCon Classics comics, Regeneration One, parts of IDW G1, and a few minor things.WreckerJack wrote:They should have included him in a comic or something at the very least.
In fact, he was the longest-running host of the Marvel UK letters pages, from issues 184 to 299, a whopping 116 issues, with Grimlock being second only to him, having hosted the letters pages from 75 to 182 (108 issues). During his tenure of "Dread Tidings", Dreadwind would refer to humans as "humes", made the first indirect reference in the West to Super-God Masterforce airing in Malaysia, and even starred in his own Christmas text story that was a parody of A Christmas Carol.
True, but wasn't he referred to as Dreadwind in the Omni Productions English dub?
Posted by NTESHFT on May 7th, 2018 @ 9:39am CDT
I'm also hoping for the best with Punch/Counterpunch. Heres to having my fingers double-crossed......
Posted by Sabrblade on May 7th, 2018 @ 9:45am CDT
You mean the dub that no sane person should take at face value? Which also called every human character by the robot names of their Hasbro toy counterparts (e.g. - Ginrai was a human named "Optimus Prime", so Buster was a human named "Dreadwind")?o.supreme wrote:True, but wasn't he referred to as Dreadwind in the Omni Productions English dub?
Posted by Cobotron on May 7th, 2018 @ 9:54am CDT
NTESHFT wrote:I hope Emerge is right and Repugnus is from a Titans Return mold. Would go great with the other 2 for sure.
I'm also hoping for the best with Punch/Counterpunch. Heres to having my fingers double-crossed......
Ah ha! I see what you did there.
I'm sure Counterpunch will double cross more than your fingers.
I'm hoping Repugnus is a TR mold too. I'd think they would retool the same base mold used for Twinferno and Grotusque. I'd be fine with that.
The only other logicall option I could see is a retool of Ripper Snapper. That would be ok, but I'd prefer the TR option.
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 7th, 2018 @ 10:04am CDT
Cobotron wrote:NTESHFT wrote:I hope Emerge is right and Repugnus is from a Titans Return mold. Would go great with the other 2 for sure.
I'm also hoping for the best with Punch/Counterpunch. Heres to having my fingers double-crossed......
Ah ha! I see what you did there.
I'm sure Counterpunch will double cross more than your fingers.
I'm hoping Repugnus is a TR mold too. I'd think they would retool the same base mold used for Twinferno and Grotusque. I'd be fine with that.
The only other logicall option I could see is a retool of Ripper Snapper. That would be ok, but I'd prefer the TR option.
I share your preference, but it seems unlikely that he'll be anything but a combiner limb. Hasbro has been very strict about not breaking from play patterns in the Prime Wars Trilogy. The fact that Blastoff is apparently coming with a HFG instead of Prime Armor is already a huge deviation from the norm.
Posted by o.supreme on May 7th, 2018 @ 10:05am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:You mean the dub that no sane person should take at face value? Which also called every human character by the robot names of their Hasbro toy counterparts (e.g. - Ginrai was a human named "Optimus Prime", so Buster was a human named "Dreadwind")?o.supreme wrote:True, but wasn't he referred to as Dreadwind in the Omni Productions English dub?
Hey I never said it was good, just referencing it. I mean I don't know what harm it could do? Getting back on topic though, I think it's cool that every PotP Leader Class Figure comes with it's own Power Pack.
Also I need to check the subs on the S!F Masterforce DVD. Not sure if they refer to him as Buster or Dreadwind.
Posted by Lore Keeper on May 7th, 2018 @ 10:47am CDT
o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You mean the dub that no sane person should take at face value? Which also called every human character by the robot names of their Hasbro toy counterparts (e.g. - Ginrai was a human named "Optimus Prime", so Buster was a human named "Dreadwind")?o.supreme wrote:True, but wasn't he referred to as Dreadwind in the Omni Productions English dub?
Hey I never said it was good, just referencing it. I mean I don't know what harm it could do? Getting back on topic though, I think it's cool that every PotP Leader Class Figure comes with it's own Power Pack.
Also I need to check the subs on the S!F Masterforce DVD. Not sure if they refer to him as Buster or Dreadwind.
The S!F dub uses Japanese names for Ginrai, Buster and Hydra, Sixknight, and Autobot Headmaster Jrs, but the English names for every other character that has a US equivalent.