Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Stop Motion Promotion Part II

Many perfectly fine boxes were sacrificed in the making of this video.

Sabrblade wrote:Many perfectly fine boxes were sacrificed in the making of this video.

He destroyed Victorion's own box

But really, this guy makes amazing videos

That was fraggin' awesome. Tied with Megatron for the best thing to come out of this series.

SillySpringer wrote:

Kurona wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Ya know, I just realized. What recent Transformers thing has way better combiner sequences than this, and should be more fit to be called Combiner Wars?



Combiner Wars doesn't even have ONE combining sequence so far other than Starscream's stupid merge with all the combiners to become the screaming head.

It was, in part, an advertisement for Combiner Wars (Devastator, the aesthetic and very existence of Motormaster and Menasor, the three Autobot Combiners at the end)... so yeah, I could totally buy that.

Goddamn do I want it.

I'm the type that enjoys watching others play games on Youtube. That's what I did with Devastation since I couldn't get it. (Don't have a console for it.) Even though that game had so many cliches, it was way better than Combiner Wars' story since it was supposed to be like an update of G1's theme, and it made me so much more giddy. Transformers Devastation did a better job at making me want the toys than Combiner Wars even could. I suppose one thing that made the Devastation game so great was all the returning voice actors, whereas Combiner Wars has mostly replacements.

I forgot about this game until I saw this. I just ordered it, looks awesome!

Sabrblade wrote:Many perfectly fine boxes were sacrificed in the making of this video.

they had no chance

This 3 minute video features more combiner warring than the entire Machinima series so far.

Sadly that was better than the show.

Kurona wrote:That was fraggin' awesome. Tied with Megatron for the best thing to come out of this series.

Agreed. That was actually very nicely done.

Figured I'd clue everybody in, go90 posted their Combiner Wars finale:

https://www.go90.com/profiles/va_45cf3a ... 9362d51692

It's two minutes longer than the other parts at least.

And with that, the abomination that is Machinima's Combiner Wars comes to its long-awaited end. And BOY was it terrible.

Remember that scene in ROTF where Sam "dies", goes to the Transformer afterlife, gets "wisdom" from the Primes, and comes back to life? Remember how so many critics, both official and on YouTube, felt so royally confused by that scene because of how it far out of nowhere it seemed to come? I now know how those people all felt by that scene as Windblade goes though almost the exact same ordeal here.

What's more is that this scene brings in yet another deus ex machina at the 11th hour: Metroplex. No formal introduction, no build up, no explanation of who or what he is to the common uneducated viewer. Just comes in clear out of nowhere and not only brings Windblade back to life but also just serves to solve everything in one fell swoop.

Though, this scene also attempts to try to finally tell us (or at least hint at) what a Cityspeaker is, but... too little too late, guys. Seriously, don't wait for the very end before telling us something like that.

Plus, Windblade now claims that she wants to save Cybertron and is desperate to do so. But she NEVER went through any kind of believable development for her to have such a change of heart. It just came off as just as forced and contrived as Metroplex's sudden appearance did.

And now we'll never really know Starscream's true motive was since he was apparently killed during all this. By all appearances, it looks as though he really did just regress from his interesting reformed persona back to his uninspired, stagnated, backstabbing persona for no other reason than for a GEEWUN-based attempt to shock the audience. Blah.

Victorion got a little more dialogue in this one and then shoved the Enigma into her chest like it was some kind of Matrix. And no, I don't mean she opened her chest and put it into a chamber, she literally just took the thing and pushed it through her armor plating to force it inside her. But in the long run, Victorion was completely wasted and had no business being in this show at all.

So too were the Combiners themselves, really. They were barely even in this show, despite their being the titular characters! And once again, the Combiners are referred to as a people of their own. What do they mean by this? Who knows? It's yet another concept introduced by this show that goes completely unexplored.

And then at the end we get a tacked-on cliffhanger foreshadowing to Titans Return, with a quick cameo by Fort Max whose eyes flash from blue to red. No. Oh please, no. No more of this, Machinima! Please don't give us another round of this with Titans Return! I beg of you. We've suffered enough!

The only, ONLY cool thing about this was Cy-kill, er, I mean Megatron. He was true to form in this just as he's been ever since he came into this show, and here we saw him as a triple-changer with a Space Gun Mode of his own (in addition to his robot and tank modes) that Optimus used to blast the screaming star Starscream into oblivion.

But really, this show was a wreck. A complete and utter train wreck fueled by bad writing and terrible characterization (Megation aside). And that ending with Metroplex was so badly forced that it might as well have been Primus himself come to deliver divine punishment to Starscream and save everyone in an instant.

Honestly, folks, if you want to experience a G1 story written for an older, nostalgic crowd that not only pays respect to the past, but is does some really cool stuff and is very well written and well designed overall, AND features Optimus and Megatron teaming up to fight a super-powered Starscream whose plan was far more competently executed and made worlds of sense, then I HIGHLY recommend that you ignore this abysmal show and instead check out Naoto Tsushima's 4-part manga story Transformers: The Battle of the Star Gate. It has beautiful artwork, great-written characters, tons of emotion and drama, a superbly-written take on the G1 cartoon Starscream, and lots of cool action scenes that completely enhance and enrich the story as it progresses. Machinima's Combiner Wars can only wish that it was that good.

All in all, this show was a near-complete failure, with Megatron as its sole saving grace that still isn't enough to redeem the show as a whole.

Congratulations, Combiner Wars, you are officially a worse show than Transformers: Energon.

OK...it is here...finally...the end. (or is it?)

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:this deep disembodied voice who told her "Don't... let this happen." Who said that?! And why was this a thing? It's never brought up again in the episode, nor even really acknowledged that much by Windblade when she hears it. It was just really weird.

I'm guessing/hoping for Metroplex, or some Titan,

Yeah, that wasn't really hard to predict. So Windblade death=Metroplex awakening, guess they should have killed her much earlier on (Sorry IMHO Optimus Prime calling forth a Titan such as in FoC , or even in the recent IDW comic was much better). Also this kind of reminded me of Sam's death in RotF...Starscream is still, screaming, in fact he sounds like Chris Lloyd as Judge Doom in his death scene from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

So apparently machinima didn't have the budget to animate a full Titan, so we get just an arm...ok...and the Combiners are apparently all alive & well now.

Wow..and now how is the Titan that just saved everyone a "Bigger Problem" ? I'm pretty sure fan reaction wont let a sequel (Titans Return) get made, at least not by Machimina again. I think the saddest part about all this is that the folks that made this (I mean those that wriote the script) are proud of it. This does not have the "Feel" of the original series at all..in fact I really cant compare it to anything...Maybe the Japanese PS2 game The Transformers: Call of the Future, but I actually liked that story (such as it was)...and I cant say I really liked anything about this series. I'll be the first to say I was 100% dead absolutely positively wrong -WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. I had such high hopes for this series, it was nothing like what I had envisioned. The problem is...I don't even know who to blame.
Hasbro-for going cheap, for not having the courage to end this project if they saw it was not developing well? Machimina -For actually thinking this was good story telling? I don't know...just kind of rambling/ranting right now...hopefully I'll have something more coherent later in the day

Sabrblade wrote:All in all, this show was a near-complete failure, with Megatron as its sole saving grace that still isn't enough to redeem the show as a whole.

Congratulations, Combiner Wars, you are officially a worse show than Transformers: Energon.

I do agree with Megatron being the sole saving grace in this case, but it wasn't definitely enough. I admit I was wrong about my initial assessments, I was hoping the "crappiness" was just a symptom of the 5-minute run time of the episodes, but sadly it did end up being just a case of mediocre to bad story telling and that's unfortunate because of what it was billed as and the potential it had started with and even developed due to the preludes.

Though I've only seen an episode or two of Energon so I can't really compare that. This simply wasn't the best though and I'd say a train wreck in a lot of ways. I could only hope they improve if they go to make more, but I'm totally hesitant in the regard of them making any additional iterations or supplements to this series. A lot would need to change and happen.

Well...that's it, then. I'm not really sure if I'm happy it's over, dreading Titans Return if they make it, or waiting to see how badly they screw that up too.

Fellow Seibertronians, Transformers Combiner Wars animated series finale is finally here, the episode entitled S1:E8 Destructions Dawn can be viewed on the go90 site for US viewers. So now that the show is finally complete, what are your final thoughts on the series? Let us know what you think in the comments below.

After seeing this show in its entirety, I have mixed feelings. While I wouldn't say this is the worst Transformer production (Robot Masters takes that IMO), it definitely could have used a longer run time, and more dialogue to flesh the story out a lot more. Megatron (I think almost everyone agrees) stands out the most awesome character in this series. I'd love to see more of him in this manner in a future production.

As for the Combiners, I get the feeling that they're basically another race of TF in this continuity, and nothing more than drones in pieces until they merge into their combined mode. I honestly didn't like this point at all since it does remind me of TF Superlink and how they handled combiners.

I think this show had some good ideas in terms of bringing back that G1 type of look, but just poorly executed in terms of frame rate issues, and some sub-par acting by several of the voice cast.

I also didn't understand as to why and what the combiners were fighting for. And why when Windblade brings them the Engima, they don't fight for it like and just let Victorian shove it in her chest. It just seems that there should have been more story here to fill in the gaps, yet was cut due to budget constraints.

Hopefully Hasbro / Machinima will take the constructive feedback and consider doing a production with more money / time involved to plan out and execute a story that everyone can enjoy.

Well that was an ending....I guess? Didn't actually have a plot and Starscream didn't really seem to have a plan. He was already a leader on Cybertron and I guess his goal was to become powerful?

I still think Energon is worse.

It would never happen, but if they are going to do short episodes they should just make it a comedy/skit type of thing. Something like an animated version of the "Swerve tells a story" video.

Dude Gatsby wrote:It would never happen, but if they are going to do short episodes they should just make it a comedy/skit type of thing. Something like an animated version of the "Swerve tells a story" video.

Doesn't need to be a comedy to be short. Past few seasons of RedvsBlue has had some very serious depressing plots with certain episodes only lasting 5-10 minutes.

Randomhero wrote:

Dude Gatsby wrote:It would never happen, but if they are going to do short episodes they should just make it a comedy/skit type of thing. Something like an animated version of the "Swerve tells a story" video.

Doesn't need to be a comedy to be short. Past few seasons of RedvsBlue has had some very serious depressing plots with certain episodes only lasting 5-10 minutes.

That's true. Maybe just an anthology sort of thing would work. They could focus on one character at a time, but not need to worry about making a story with every character in the current line.

Haven't watched the episode yet (I'm in way too happy a mood right now to let this kill it), but just popping in to say I at least love the idea of Megatron being a tank/gun triple changer... and would also very much be in favour of an Anthology series, maybe even focusing on different continuities

Kurona wrote:Haven't watched the episode yet (I'm in way too happy a mood right now to let this kill it), but just popping in to say I at least love the idea of Megatron being a tank/gun triple changer... and would also very much be in favour of an Anthology series, maybe even focusing on different continuities

It is very cool when Megatron transforms into a gun however the gun bares no resemblance to him whatsoever. He pulls an AOE Drift, dude that turns into a car with car kibble all over also turns into a helicopter with no conceivable way of doing it and when I say transform I mean morph. Megatron just morphs into a gun but it's still an awesome scene and awesome looking gun.

Mercifully this joke is over. Poor scripts, lame characterisation and the ending is no different, with Starscream is dead and everyone is now friends. Hopefully the sequel hook will not be taken up

What a hard fought war. I didn't think any of us were gonna make it through that.

They need to have the stop motion guy take over any possible future installments of the series. The two ads were far more enjoyable than the show itself.


I still wonder how Megatron was so good while the rest of the writing was atrocious. It's like the one decent writer on the team called dibs on Megs and the rest of them were like "Yeah that's fine, you do the gray guy. It'll keep you out of our hair while we figure out how to make this story and dialogue more incoherent".

Funny thing is Megatron actually feels like he went through a positive arc and character development. So not only was he the one bright spark of the series through giving some funny lines and observations and just overall having an enjoyable attitude to him, he... was actually a legitimate developed character?
This series does so much wrong yet it nailed what Megatron should be and actually developed him better than most other continuities. What a world we live in.
And also while him turning into a gun is silly, it's much more acceptable with the more limited size-changing and him being a triple-changer with an actual autonomous vehicle mode. Makes the gun feel more like a final last stand/last resort thing which is an idea I'm a big fan of as opposed to it being his only other mode. ... also, it's always pretty badass seeing Optimus wield him. There's just something about that I always loved watching the G1 episodes that made up for his gun mode being silly.


Am I being too positive here? Sorry just everything else that happened today (for me personally) is too good so even though every single thing else about the episode and the series was deplorable I can't bring myself to go on about them I'm just glad we at least got a great Megatron out of it.



If we're going for some negativity though, going through the youtube comments I found out something rather hilarious - this episode was originally uploaded with the title "Episode 7". When it's Episode 8. Forgivable mistake usually, sure; but I'm highlighting it here because I think it kind of sums up the attitude, care and effort that went into this series.

Starscream spent so much screen time vomiting I thought I was watching "the Exorcist".

This is the main reason why IDW should lose it'sTransformers license immediately. The IDW comics are responsible for influencing this garbage that we all just watched. I don't care if the Titans are returning to belch for 3 minutes straight or whatever they're coming to do. I just don't care. No sequel please. Just leave it alone.

1984forever wrote:Starscream spent so much screen time vomiting I thought I was watching "the Exorcist".

This is the main reason why IDW should lose it'sTransformers license immediately. The IDW comics are responsible for influencing this garbage that we all just watched. I don't care if the Titans are returning to belch for 3 minutes straight or whatever they're coming to do. I just don't care. No sequel please. Just leave it alone.

IDW has nothing to do with this series. If you're going to blame anyone for the way this turned out, focus your attention on Hasbro for the budget and Machinima for their execution of the series.

Actually, the overall arc and premise wasn't terrible just all of the writing on the way there was.

Series smacks of writing by committee under a tight deadline.

"So near the end Starscream will become, get this, a combiner of combiners!"
"Cool!"
"Awesome!"
"Well we don't want to do that, because then people will want a toy just like that and that it's not going to happen. "
"Ok, then how about he starts as a combiner of combiners then morphs into a giant vomiting star blob."
"Ok, good"
"No I was jok..."
"Bill, where are you on that Starscream prelude?"
"Already done and animated!"
"Great! We are ahead of schedule!"

Oh man, this was just...so bad. The animation itself was pretty decent, so there's a positive. Also, Megatron was really the only character that was really worth investing any time in. Otherwise, there's so much wrong here. The voice acting was atrocious. Seriously, it's one thing to read a script, and another thing entirely to actually act out a script. Very wooden performances all around, again, with the exception of Megatron.

And where were the actual Combiner Wars? There was a personal vendetta that Windblade felt she needed to carry out, but I don't remember seeing a war of Combiners. Maybe that's nitpicking, but if your whole series is named for something, it would help to have that piece of plot added in.
Speaking of plot, wow. Pacing issues aside, the plot was rather weak. This entire 8 episode run could have easily been done in 4. It just seems that, for as much hype as this was given, the delivery was grossly mishandled.

I'm not sure what I expected from a micro-episode web series. Maybe I had visions of Netflix's new Voltron series in my head. Or maybe I'm just nostalgic for traditional style Transformers animation, but this series as a whole left me utterly disappointed.

karyuudo wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream spent so much screen time vomiting I thought I was watching "the Exorcist".

This is the main reason why IDW should lose it'sTransformers license immediately. The IDW comics are responsible for influencing this garbage that we all just watched. I don't care if the Titans are returning to belch for 3 minutes straight or whatever they're coming to do. I just don't care. No sequel please. Just leave it alone.

IDW has nothing to do with this series. If you're going to blame anyone for the way this turned out, focus your attention on Hasbro for the budget and Machinima for their execution of the series.

You're partly right. Machinima is to blame for not executing this series before it could be seen by anyone.

But I still hold Idw responsible for this mess. Hasbro execs looked at the boards and deduced that adult fans like boring plots and small casts.

Also the Combiners are portrayed as a different faction from Autobot, Decepticon or Camien. Wtf?

In a word - short. I guess we should be glad they did anything at all, but really - blink and you'll miss this one.

1984forever wrote:

karyuudo wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream spent so much screen time vomiting I thought I was watching "the Exorcist".

This is the main reason why IDW should lose it'sTransformers license immediately. The IDW comics are responsible for influencing this garbage that we all just watched. I don't care if the Titans are returning to belch for 3 minutes straight or whatever they're coming to do. I just don't care. No sequel please. Just leave it alone.

IDW has nothing to do with this series. If you're going to blame anyone for the way this turned out, focus your attention on Hasbro for the budget and Machinima for their execution of the series.

You're partly right. Machinima is to blame for not executing this series before it could be seen by anyone.

But I still hold Idw responsible for this mess. Hasbro execs looked at the boards and deduced that adult fans like boring plots and small casts.

Also the Combiners are portrayed as a different faction from Autobot, Decepticon or Camien. Wtf?

The war ended, the Combiners opted to join together (no pun intended) to be with like minded and similar people.

I love how Megatron straight up Struts away with his chin high. So proud. So Confident.

"Oh look, the titans has returned... the end" Wait what?

Anyway, I think like alot of people, I enjoyed this mainly because of Megaton. He straight up does a pun about Prime pulling the trigger and just rolls with it.

Voice acting has a huge impact on both overall presentation, and how we bond with fictional representations of our favorite mechanical life forms. Unfortunately the VA was mostly pretty dire on this. Metroplex sounded like some guy they found outside looking for change.

"Hey, can you sound like a giant ancient mechanoid?"
"I'll do anything for food"
"Then you're hired!!"

I think we could have looked past the other flaws if it wasn't for that.

Overall not exactly bad, just... disappointing.

DeadCaL wrote:Anyway, I think like alot of people, I enjoyed this mainly because of Megaton. He straight up does a pun about Prime pulling the trigger and just rolls with it.

That wasn't a pun. Megatron was referring to something he said to Optimus both back in the fourth episode and back further in Optimus's prelude video.

Sabrblade wrote:

DeadCaL wrote:Anyway, I think like alot of people, I enjoyed this mainly because of Megaton. He straight up does a pun about Prime pulling the trigger and just rolls with it.

That wasn't a pun. Megatron was referring to something he said to Optimus both back in the fourth episode and back further in Optimus's prelude video.

But it still works as a pun too

That's why Megatron decided to reform at the end of the episode. All he really wanted all this time was for Prime to pull his trigger.

i sense another series coming

It was... Eh.

I liked the performances for the core characters. They have a great cast for Prime and Megatron. Decent Windblade and Rodimus. I'm still not sold on most of the post-Latta Starscreams. I think I could do a better Starscream than most of them. Honestly, my favorite Latta stand-in in any Hasbro approved production was Rob Schrab's Cobra Commander on Community. (They worked with Hasbro licensing there. Harmon wanted to do a Transformers episode instead but Joe was easier to work with and the staff was more into Joe than Harmon was.)

The rest of the cast here was... Eh.

I'm all about Honest Trailers guy and this Megatron succeeding Cullen and Welker. Enough of the same and yet I could sense them growing in the roles even here.

Know what? Megatron was... pretty much everyone's favourite character and his actor put in such a great performance; having great delivery and obviously having some fun with the role. And just because of that, and because of how sorry I feel for him being in something this bad, I'm gonna give a thanks and shout-out to Megatron's VA Jason Marnocha. Thanks man. You were great.

Kurona wrote:That's why Megatron decided to reform at the end of the episode. All he really wanted all this time was for Prime to pull his trigger.

Apparently Metroplex is Mufasa.

"REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE."

Otherwise, ditto to the consensus. Marmocha's Megatron is great and one of the great Megatrons. everybody else was kind of crap. They should really have called this Titans Return since the combiners are much more like Titans than robots made of separate components who join together. Hopefully either Machinima's Titans Return doesn't happen or it gets a massive production boost.

1984forever wrote:

karyuudo wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream spent so much screen time vomiting I thought I was watching "the Exorcist".

This is the main reason why IDW should lose it'sTransformers license immediately. The IDW comics are responsible for influencing this garbage that we all just watched. I don't care if the Titans are returning to belch for 3 minutes straight or whatever they're coming to do. I just don't care. No sequel please. Just leave it alone.

IDW has nothing to do with this series. If you're going to blame anyone for the way this turned out, focus your attention on Hasbro for the budget and Machinima for their execution of the series.

You're partly right. Machinima is to blame for not executing this series before it could be seen by anyone.

But I still hold Idw responsible for this mess. Hasbro execs looked at the boards and deduced that adult fans like boring plots and small casts.

Also the Combiners are portrayed as a different faction from Autobot, Decepticon or Camien. Wtf?

So let me get this straight. IDW had no control over the show. They created the comic books and the Combiner War Arc. Hasbro and Machinima liked it they agreed to make a animation 'adaptation' of the story arc.

Despite Machinima being in full control and all everything that's wrong with the show is to be pointed at IDW? What? For inspiring an animation series? Something they do not have control nor is it their idea in the first place? For Inspiration?!?! That argument is just whack. And your second point clearly states it was Hasbro who made the show the way it is and not IDW. So who's at fault then?

Argh, not to mention the Combiners are never portrayed as being sub-groups consistent of individuals being able to combine into one save for Devastator. Its like they never separate at all.

I like most transformers fiction, and I try to be positive, but that was very dissapointing.

TransformableBacon wrote:

1984forever wrote:

karyuudo wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream spent so much screen time vomiting I thought I was watching "the Exorcist".

This is the main reason why IDW should lose it'sTransformers license immediately. The IDW comics are responsible for influencing this garbage that we all just watched. I don't care if the Titans are returning to belch for 3 minutes straight or whatever they're coming to do. I just don't care. No sequel please. Just leave it alone.

IDW has nothing to do with this series. If you're going to blame anyone for the way this turned out, focus your attention on Hasbro for the budget and Machinima for their execution of the series.

You're partly right. Machinima is to blame for not executing this series before it could be seen by anyone.

But I still hold Idw responsible for this mess. Hasbro execs looked at the boards and deduced that adult fans like boring plots and small casts.

Also the Combiners are portrayed as a different faction from Autobot, Decepticon or Camien. Wtf?

So let me get this straight. IDW had no control over the show. They created the comic books and the Combiner War Arc. Hasbro and Machinima liked it they agreed to make a animation 'adaptation' of the story arc.

Despite Machinima being in full control and all everything that's wrong with the show is to be pointed at IDW? What? For inspiring an animation series? Something they do not have control nor is it their idea in the first place? For Inspiration?!?! That argument is just whack. And your second point clearly states it was Hasbro who made the show the way it is and not IDW. So who's at fault then?

Argh, not to mention the Combiners are never portrayed as being sub-groups consistent of individuals being able to combine into one save for Devastator. Its like they never separate at all.

I thought stuff like Combiner Wars was created by Hasbro and assigned to IDW as a direction.

So it was more like, "The next story is called Combiner Wars. We have this character Windblade who is what's known as a 'City Speaker'. The following characters are on the table." And then IDW works backwards from there.

My DISTINCT impression is that, for example, some folks at IDW know fully what the third part of Prime Wars trilogy is, that Hasbro is largely responsible for some of the big story beats, and that they advance leak this stuff to IDW to setup in advance. In many cases, it isn't that IDW is influencing the toys so much as that IDW is informed about the toys in advance.

In turn, Hasbro picks some designs (Cyberverse Prime, Generations Springer, Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus) that draw SOME inspiration from IDW and then doubles down by making decos based on IDW in some cases for molds that weren't designed for it.

I don't think IDW is exactly the horse leading the cart here, regardless. Hasbro decides the big stuff internally (maybe while consulting IDW guys), they leak two year plans within IDW to advance setup the next big thing, and then they take designs and flourishes from IDW.

IDW set Plantinum Games up with writers for Devastation and the the Ninja Turtles game. And I think Megatron's characterization here had some influence from IDW because, perhaps, they read those comics.

But I don't think Combiner Wars originated with IDW at all and the plot points here that mirror the comic are probably because Hasbro assigned IDW those details in advance, not because this was trying to adapt the comic. Combiner Wars, I'm pretty sure, is a Hasbro story that IDW was given advance info on, not something IDW guys cooked up.

Sabrblade wrote:

DeadCaL wrote:Anyway, I think like alot of people, I enjoyed this mainly because of Megaton. He straight up does a pun about Prime pulling the trigger and just rolls with it.

That wasn't a pun. Megatron was referring to something he said to Optimus both back in the fourth episode and back further in Optimus's prelude video.

T'was also a straight up pun.

I believe it was IDW not Hasbro who decided to end the war. I also believe it was IDWs sole decision to make Starscream ruler of Cybertron. The writers of CWAS clearly were inspired by the IDW stuff. If they had taken their inspiration from the G1 cartoon we would have gotten a better story.

That's funny because the way I see it this was waaay more G1 than IDW. The writing and character "development" was so eratic and poorly executed. Bad animation. Etc. Not to mention it's essentially a commercial.

Mr Skram wrote:That's funny because the way I see it this was waaay more G1 than IDW. The writing and character "development" was so eratic and poorly executed. Bad animation. Etc. Not to mention it's essentially a commercial.

A Commercial for what? The Combiners which were barely present? or all the characters whose models weren't part of Combiner Wars, or don't exist at all? Anyone trying to say this bares any resemblance to the original animated series is about as far off as you can be.

o.supreme wrote:Anyone trying to say this bares any resemblance to the original animated series is about as far off as you can be.

Not particularly. All his points are pretty spot on. For all the love the G1 cartoon gets, it was poorly written and could be appallingly bad now and then. IDW ain't 100% perfect but it's a damn sight better than the G1 cartoon.

Though let's not also say that this is on par with the G1 cartoon. The G1 cartoon - barring a few certain offenders such as B.O.T. and Carnage in C-minor - was at the very least a fun, cute little show with enjoyable characters and light-hearted humour that you could smile at for a good twenty minutes. Which is a whole lot more than can be said for this... thing.

Big Grim wrote:For all the love the G1 cartoon gets, it was poorly written and could be appallingly bad now and then. IDW ain't 100% perfect but it's a damn sight better than the G1 cartoon.

That is an opinion and provably untrue. To this day I can enjoy watching an episode of the original series now and again...I gain very little satisfaction from reading IDW comics...thus to me they are much more poorly written.