Michael Bay and Mark Wahlberg Talk Transformers 4

Hmm. So it's sounding like he's going to do all three of the next trilogy. That'll make the fans have a conniption fit.

Autobot032 wrote:Hmm. So it's sounding like he's going to do all three of the next trilogy. That'll make the fans have a conniption fit.

I look forward to it. Besides the fact they're fun movies half the enjoyment is from the bitter tears of the fanboys.

And to that I proclaim: Long live the Bay!

i officially hate mark wahlberg now, the franchise needs a change not sit stagnant like it is. If hasbro doesnt want the franchise to die they need to do something & fast, & this isnt it.

whatever makes money.

Megatron Wolf wrote:i officially hate mark wahlberg now, the franchise needs a change not sit stagnant like it is. If hasbro doesnt want the franchise to die they need to do something & fast, & this isnt it.

You clearly have no idea how much good the films have done for the franchise. The more successful the films are, the more money Hasbro earns, the more Generations toys we get. We're getting Springer, Blitzwing, Metroplex, etc. thanks to the massive moolah the films have garnered.

BUT, that isn't to say anything about the quality of the films, no. I'm not saying they're flawless, masterpiece works of art. Far from it, even. The movies are flawed on so many levels, but that type of unsophisticated entertainment is simply what sells and gets as wide an amount of commercial and financial success as the the films have had.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Hmm. So it's sounding like he's going to do all three of the next trilogy. That'll make the fans have a conniption fit.

I look forward to it. Besides the fact they're fun movies half the enjoyment is from the bitter tears of the fanboys.

And to that I proclaim: Long live the Bay!

Nicely put.

Sabrblade wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:i officially hate mark wahlberg now, the franchise needs a change not sit stagnant like it is. If hasbro doesnt want the franchise to die they need to do something & fast, & this isnt it.

You clearly have no idea how much good the films have done for the franchise. The more successful the films are, the more money Hasbro earns, the more Generations toys we get. We're getting Springer, Blitzwing, Metroplex, etc. thanks to the massive moolah the films have garnered.

Exactly. It might even be fair to say that the movies helped save Transformers, honestly.

We only got Classics as a filler line because they knew the movie was coming and they needed something to keep fans/kids interested and keep sales going. Had the movies not been coming out, what would've?

Animated might've worked without the movies coming before it, but I doubt it. CN canceled it, the toys weren't the biggest sellers, and the animation style is a tough cookie to swallow. (And I say this being a fan. I loved Animated.)

Rescue Bots? As far as we know, it wasn't even remotely ready at that point.
Prime? Same. Heck, without the movies, we wouldn't have Prime. We wouldn't have had Orci & Kurtzman producing it.

I don't know what would've been next, but chances are it wouldn't have made it as far as it has. Cybertron ended in '05/06 and this is now 2013. That's 7-8 years. A lot can happen and change in that time. It could've been another G1 for all we know. (Ending on a really sour note.)

We now have the 30th. anniversary coming up, without the movies, I don't think we'd be celebrating it.

Are the movies perfect? Absolutely not. Are they fun moneymakers? Yup.

Fine here. That's just 4-5 years of movie toys I don't have to buy. As long as the Classics toys keep coming, they can keep making those train-wrecks of movies all they want. I only cringe thinking there's an entire generation of children growing up thinking that's what Transformers are "all about." Groan.

Autobot032 wrote:Prime? Same. Heck, without the movies, we wouldn't have Prime. We wouldn't have had Orci & Kurtzman producing it.

While not necessarily Prime, I think we still might have gotten the Aligned continuity in some form, as Hasbro was beginning to put together the Binder of Revelation around 2007-ish.

I could see War for Cybertron still coming out, but with some differences. If Prime did come out, it certainly wouldn't look as much like the movie style as it does now, so it might have been more G1 looking.

Though, I agree in not seeing Animated come out since it too was meant to be a filler series between films (with an unexpectedly overwhelming positive reaction).

So, maybe instead of Classics being a filler to tide us over until the films, it might have instead tided us over until the (radically different, but still similar in spirit to the) Aligned continuity, coming to life much sooner than 2010.

gothsaurus wrote:Fine here. That's just 4-5 years of movie toys I don't have to buy. As long as the Classics toys keep coming, they can keep making those train-wrecks of movies all they want. I only cringe thinking there's an entire generation of children growing up thinking that's what Transformers are "all about." Groan.

It's not your place to decide what new fans should and should not enjoy. Part of being a healthy member of a fandom is accepting that things change with the times. Transformers can't be stuck in 1986 forever. These films do the series a service by introducing so many new fans to Transformers that would have ignored it otherwise. These films are absolutely what Transformers is all about.

Megatron Wolf wrote:i officially hate mark wahlberg now, the franchise needs a change not sit stagnant like it is. If hasbro doesnt want the franchise to die they need to do something & fast, & this isnt it.

Here come the grumps... so who cares who does the films and whos in it has longest i get to see the thing i love other than my family i realy dont care i still get chills when i see the films who else is gonna make our thing come to life i mean who of us real fans hasent ever thought about what it would be like if they where real i love the fact that someone is putting the money and someone else is putting the effort in doing it, i for one love the films and exited to see whats next maybe three more after three more i dont care ill be watching with my son til i turn grandpa and take my grand children i say keep em comming bay!!

Megatron Wolf wrote:i officially hate mark wahlberg now, the franchise needs a change not sit stagnant like it is. If hasbro doesnt want the franchise to die they need to do something & fast, & this isnt it.

Here come the grumps... so who cares who does the films and whos in it has longest i get to see the thing i love other than my family i realy dont care i still get chills when i see the films who else is gonna make our thing come to life i mean who of us real fans hasent ever thought about what it would be like if they where real i love the fact that someone is putting the money and someone else is putting the effort in doing it, i for one love the films and exited to see whats next maybe three more after three more i dont care ill be watching with my son til i turn grandpa and take my grand children i say keep em comming bay!!

Capt.Failure wrote:These films are absolutely what Transformers is all about.

You had me up until this. The TFs play second fiddle to the humans in these films, being either background material or guest stars in their own movies. There's so much more to the Transformers than what these film portray. At best, these films can act as a conduit to get new fans interested in the brand and seek out more stuff beyond the films so they can experience a better idea of the heart and soul of the Transformers fiction.

Megatron Wolf wrote:i officially hate mark wahlberg now, the franchise needs a change not sit stagnant like it is. If hasbro doesnt want the franchise to die they need to do something & fast, & this isnt it.

1-1.5 billion dollars in box office revenue from a franchise immune to critical backlash. The introduction of Transformers to new generations of fans. The revitalization of the toy lines. New interest in Transformers TV shows.

Apparently money, popularity, and new fans kill franchises now.

Sabrblade wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:These films are absolutely what Transformers is all about.

You had me up until this. The TFs play second fiddle to the humans in these films, being either background material or guest stars in their own movies. There's so much more to the Transformers than what these film portray. At best, these films can act as a conduit to get new fans interested in the brand and seek out more stuff beyond the films so they can experience a better idea of the heart and soul of the Transformers fiction.

No, wrong. While the Transformers had less screen time in the first film (a practical step since it was an origin story and they had less budget) to say the latter two films suffered this problem is at best stretching the truth and at worst an outright lie. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are somehow "not Transformers." If anything they acted as a necessary step up in quality from the garbage we'd been served post-Beast Wars.

My statement was just that kids won't know or respect the ROOTS of Transformers. This Bay "chapter" isn't what I'd prefer to see it judged by. Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion — and to buy what I want.

Capt.Failure wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Fine here. That's just 4-5 years of movie toys I don't have to buy. As long as the Classics toys keep coming, they can keep making those train-wrecks of movies all they want. I only cringe thinking there's an entire generation of children growing up thinking that's what Transformers are "all about." Groan.

It's not your place to decide what new fans should and should not enjoy. Part of being a healthy member of a fandom is accepting that things change with the times. Transformers can't be stuck in 1986 forever. These films do the series a service by introducing so many new fans to Transformers that would have ignored it otherwise. These films are absolutely what Transformers is all about.

Hang on sec here.

He hasn't decided for anyone, nor has he implied such. "I only cringe thinking" is what he said. Even if I don't agree with his point of view, I see it as a statement, not a declaration of action.

While I agree we can't be stuck in 1986 forever, some people only like G1. Some only like the movies. It's all a matter of opinion. And people are allowed to have and voice their opinions.

While we don't agree with them, we do have to respect the people giving them. So please be careful where we step, folks. I know the movies are polarizing, but let's not let it get us in trouble.

Autobot032 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Fine here. That's just 4-5 years of movie toys I don't have to buy. As long as the Classics toys keep coming, they can keep making those train-wrecks of movies all they want. I only cringe thinking there's an entire generation of children growing up thinking that's what Transformers are "all about." Groan.

It's not your place to decide what new fans should and should not enjoy. Part of being a healthy member of a fandom is accepting that things change with the times. Transformers can't be stuck in 1986 forever. These films do the series a service by introducing so many new fans to Transformers that would have ignored it otherwise. These films are absolutely what Transformers is all about.

Hang on sec here.

He hasn't decided for anyone, nor has he implied such. "I only cringe thinking" is what he said. Even if I don't agree with his point of view, I see it as a statement, not a declaration of action.

While I agree we can't be stuck in 1986 forever, some people only like G1. Some only like the movies. It's all a matter of opinion. And people are allowed to have and voice their opinions.

While we don't agree with them, we do have to respect the people giving them. So please be careful where we step, folks. I know the movies are polarizing, but let's not let it get us in trouble.

Apologies. I just find the idea that newcomers should distance themselves from the films as soon as possible to be a ridiculous notion, especially since it's fueled by individual dislike for the films.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Hmm. So it's sounding like he's going to do all three of the next trilogy. That'll make the fans have a conniption fit.

I look forward to it. Besides the fact they're fun movies half the enjoyment is from the bitter tears of the fanboys.

And to that I proclaim: Long live the Bay!

Here, here!

Seriously, the movies are just good fun, all blockbuster explosions and high quality CGI everywhere! Now, yes, I would like to see fewer human things, and perhaps less of "The United States is the world," but they're FUN. The movies are FUN, period. Just go and enjoy them! You know you want to!

Capt.Failure wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:These films are absolutely what Transformers is all about.

You had me up until this. The TFs play second fiddle to the humans in these films, being either background material or guest stars in their own movies. There's so much more to the Transformers than what these film portray. At best, these films can act as a conduit to get new fans interested in the brand and seek out more stuff beyond the films so they can experience a better idea of the heart and soul of the Transformers fiction.

No, wrong. While the Transformers had less screen time in the first film (a practical step since it was an origin story and they had less budget) to say the latter two films suffered this problem is at best stretching the truth and at worst an outright lie. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are somehow "not Transformers." If anything they acted as a necessary step up in quality from the garbage we'd been served post-Beast Wars.

In all three films, the TFs are not the main stars. No matter how you look at it, they are not in the lead roles. I never once said that they are "not Transformers films", I said that they do not adequately represent what Transformers is all about. There's more, much more, to it that simple "Autobots vs. Decepticons". The films just sorta-kinda scratch the surface of what Transformers is all about, but not quite. They are still very much Transformers films (in the most basic, bare minimum ways), but they are far from perfect examples of TF fiction.

Bay's desire to return to the franchise, one he seemingly concluded with 2011's "Transformers: Dark of the Moon," came while the director waited in line for the Transformers ride at Universal Studios. "I was like, 'Wow, a lot of people like this.' I wanted to do it one more time... but then I brought Mark in and he's actually harassing me to do more."

I officialy love mark now something i never said about shia