Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011
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After two blockbuster movies, and a third poised to break even more records, live action movies Directory Michael Bay and executive producer Steven Spielberg will be the next two inductees in Hasbro's Transformers Hall of Fame.
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HASBRO TO HONOR MICHAEL BAY AND STEVEN SPIELBERG WITH INDUCTION INTO
THE TRANSFORMERS HALL OF FAME
Bay to attend ceremony at TRANSFORMERS “BOTCON” Fan Convention in Pasadena, California, on June 4
Pawtucket, R.I. (MAY 18, 2011) — Earlier today on its official TRANSFORMERS Facebook page, Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ: HAS) announced the induction of film industry legends Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg—the director and executive producer of the blockbuster TRANSFORMERS film franchise—into its TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame. The second annual TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame ceremony, which celebrates more than 25 years of “MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE” action, will take place during the 2011 TRANSFORMERS “BOTCON” fan convention in Pasadena, California, and will feature TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON director Michael Bay in person to accept his honor and share some special surprises with the audience.
Founded in 2010 to honor those influential in creating and building the iconic TRANSFORMERS franchise, as well as actual “ROBOTS IN DISGUISE,” the 2011 TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame will induct the two legendary filmmakers who were instrumental in launching the live-action film franchise that brought the TRANSFORMERS brand to more fans than ever before. Bay and Spielberg will join previous honorees Bob Budiansky, Peter Cullen, Yoke Hideaki and Kojin Ohno in the TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame.
Michael Bay: For the last sixteen years, Michael Bay has been one of the world’s boldest filmmakers as both director and producer. His films have grossed over $4 billion worldwide. Since his 1995 breakout Bad Boys, Bay has directed a succession of international hits that have redefined the action genre, including The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, Bad Boys 2, The Island, and three Transformers films. The third movie in the franchise, Transformers: Dark of the Moon, will hit theaters July 1; it is Bay’s first live-action film shot in 3D. A graduate of Wesleyan University and Art Center College of Design, Bay began his career as a distinguished commercial and music video director. He has won virtually every major award in the commercial industry, including Cannes’ Golden Lion, the Grand Prix Clio, and the Directors Guild of America’s Commercial Director of the Year award. His “Got Milk?” campaign resides in the permanent collection of New York’s Museum of Modern Art. Bay is also co-owner of production company Platinum Dunes and owner of Digital Domain, one of the entertainment industry’s premier special effects companies.
Steven Spielberg: One of the industry’s most successful and influential filmmakers, Steven Spielberg has directed some of the top-grossing films of all time, including Jaws, E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial, Jurassic Park, and four Indiana Jones films, including the most recent, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Among his myriad honors, he is a three-time Academy Award® winner, earning two Oscars® for Best Director and Best Picture for Schindler’s List, and a third Oscar® for Best Director for Saving Private Ryan. He has been awarded the Academy’s prestigious Thalberg Award. He earned his first Directors Guild Award for The Color Purple and has been nominated by the DGA a record ten times. He has received the Kennedy Center Honor for his body of work. Last year he served as an executive producer on the Academy Award nominated film True Grit, which was directed by the Coen brothers. A principal partner of DreamWorks Studios, he is also the producer of Super 8, directed by J.J. Abrams, an executive producer on TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON, directed by Michael Bay and Cowboys & Aliens, directed by Jon Favreau, all of which will be released this summer.
Hasbro will also induct four more iconic robot characters into the TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame. Heroic AUTOBOTS RATCHET and IRONHIDE, as well as evil DECEPTICON SOUNDWAVE will join 2010’s class of five robots, as chosen by Hasbro’s TRANSFORMERSHall of Fame internal panel of judges. In addition, TRANSFORMERS fans around the world voted on Transformers.com for a fourth robot to receive the 2011 “Fans’ Choice” honor. The winner, from among the nominees GRIMLOCK, SHOCKWAVE, ERECTOR, WASPINATOR and JAZZ, will be revealed for the first time at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony at “BOTCON” on June 4, 2011.
First introduced in 1984 by Hasbro and Takara as a toy line, the TRANSFORMERS brand
has provided kids with hours of MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE fun with their action figures that convert from robot to vehicles and back again. Legions of boys around the world grew up creating fantastic adventures and battles set on both the planet CYBERTRON and Earth that featured the “good-guy” AUTOBOTS and the “bad-guy” DECEPTICONS. Since then, more than 7500 robots have been introduced in countless animated TV series, comic books and two live-action feature films. A third film, TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON, will be released on July 1, 2011, as the first 3D film in the franchise.
For further information visit the official TRANSFORMERS Facebook page at Transformers.com/facebook.
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About Hasbro, Inc.
Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ: HAS) is a branded play company providing children and families around the world with a wide-range of immersive entertainment offerings based on the Company’s world class brand portfolio. From toys and games, to television programming, motion pictures, video games and a comprehensive licensing program, Hasbro strives to delight its customers through the strategic leveraging of well-known and beloved brands such as TRANSFORMERS, LITTLEST PET SHOP, NERF, PLAYSKOOL, MY LITTLE PONY, G.I. JOE, MAGIC: THE GATHERING and MONOPOLY. The Hub, Hasbro’s multi-platform joint venture with Discovery Communications (NASDAQ: DISCA, DISCB, DISCK) launched on October 10, 2010. The online home of The Hub is http://www.hubworld.com. The Hub logo and name are trademarks of Hub Television Networks, LLC. All rights reserved. Come see how we inspire play through our brands at http://www.hasbro.com. © 2011 Hasbro, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224738)
Posted by Road-hole on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:47pm CDT
Posted by Road-hole on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:47pm CDT
Awesome!!! Congratulations to both of them, they deserve it. They reignited my love for Transformers.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224739)
Posted by Twitchythe3rd on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:47pm CDT
Posted by Twitchythe3rd on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:47pm CDT
Really? They're going to induct Bay?
...anyone know where I can find a lit torch and a pitchfork?
...anyone know where I can find a lit torch and a pitchfork?
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224740)
Posted by It Is Him on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:47pm CDT
Posted by It Is Him on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:47pm CDT
Jaw. Floor.
Stupid grad school.
Stupid grad school.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224744)
Posted by Blurrz on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:51pm CDT
Posted by Blurrz on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:51pm CDT
Suck it up princesses
Michael Bay and Spielberg deserve alot of credit and in-direct credit for what they've done. They've changed the Transformers franchise. Complain about the movie storyline, it's the writer's fault. Designs.. it's the designers fault. Toy line distribution, blame Hasbro. Michael Bay is a director first and foremost, and visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies.
And since the Transformers franchise is still going, I'd say it's a change for the better.
Congrats Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg!
Michael Bay and Spielberg deserve alot of credit and in-direct credit for what they've done. They've changed the Transformers franchise. Complain about the movie storyline, it's the writer's fault. Designs.. it's the designers fault. Toy line distribution, blame Hasbro. Michael Bay is a director first and foremost, and visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies.
And since the Transformers franchise is still going, I'd say it's a change for the better.
Congrats Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg!
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224750)
Posted by Mkall on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:56pm CDT
Posted by Mkall on May 18th, 2011 @ 5:56pm CDT
I kinda Figured Michael Bay would get inducted, but I did not expect Spielberg. Say what you will about them they've done a lot to re-ignite the fanbase and deserve the entrance into the hall of Fame.
I look forward to seeing them at the dinner.
I look forward to seeing them at the dinner.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224758)
Posted by sentinelprime1234 on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:13pm CDT
Posted by sentinelprime1234 on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:13pm CDT
I think Bay deserves it, he really helped the franchise 
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224760)
Posted by Slashercon on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:15pm CDT
Posted by Slashercon on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:15pm CDT
I'm not going to lie...I really think both Spielberg and Bay deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. (Haters gonna hate)
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224786)
Posted by Gandalf on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:53pm CDT
Posted by Gandalf on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:53pm CDT
Hm. I guess they deserve it for revitalizing Transformers, no matter how they did it. But even considering the timing of this being a movie year, and supposedly the last one and all that, it just doesn't feel right that they are in before Welker and a host of others.
I couldn't afford to go this year, and I was convinced that this would be the year Frank Welker made an appearance. California. Movie year. Hall of Fame. It just seemed obvious. So I guess it's actually a relief for me, that I won't be missing him. Though I must admit that I'm still pining to go, for all the movie epicness. And I'm not even that much of a movie fan.
Am I wrong in thinking that the director has final approval over all of that?
I couldn't afford to go this year, and I was convinced that this would be the year Frank Welker made an appearance. California. Movie year. Hall of Fame. It just seemed obvious. So I guess it's actually a relief for me, that I won't be missing him. Though I must admit that I'm still pining to go, for all the movie epicness. And I'm not even that much of a movie fan.
Blurrz wrote:Complain about the movie storyline, it's the writer's fault. Designs.. it's the designers fault....Michael Bay is a director first and foremost, and visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies.
Am I wrong in thinking that the director has final approval over all of that?
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224789)
Posted by Blurrz on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:57pm CDT
Nah, he's too busy being Michael Bay.
Posted by Blurrz on May 18th, 2011 @ 6:57pm CDT
Gandalf wrote:Blurrz wrote:Complain about the movie storyline, it's the writer's fault. Designs.. it's the designers fault....Michael Bay is a director first and foremost, and visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies.
Am I wrong in thinking that the director has final approval over all of that?
Nah, he's too busy being Michael Bay.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224794)
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:07pm CDT
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:07pm CDT
See, I can get the Michael Bay thing but Spielberg? Hard to fathom because I don't know exactly what he's done behind the scenes.
And for those of you children who sent Bay death threats after the first movie when he raped your childhood, you know where he'll be, let's see you turn up and tell him how you REALLY feel.
And for those of you children who sent Bay death threats after the first movie when he raped your childhood, you know where he'll be, let's see you turn up and tell him how you REALLY feel.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224805)
Posted by T-Macksimus on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:29pm CDT
The live action films were originally Spielberg's brainchild. He brought Michael Bay in on it and Bays initial reaction was along the lines of "You gotta be f***ing kidding me" until he went through his TF indoctrination at Hasbro HQ. So Steven is the guy we should all be thanking for making the live-action films a reality since Michael would have never even considered it on his own.
Posted by T-Macksimus on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:29pm CDT
Burn wrote:See, I can get the Michael Bay thing but Spielberg? Hard to fathom because I don't know exactly what he's done behind the scenes.
And for those of you children who sent Bay death threats after the first movie when he raped your childhood, you know where he'll be, let's see you turn up and tell him how you REALLY feel.
The live action films were originally Spielberg's brainchild. He brought Michael Bay in on it and Bays initial reaction was along the lines of "You gotta be f***ing kidding me" until he went through his TF indoctrination at Hasbro HQ. So Steven is the guy we should all be thanking for making the live-action films a reality since Michael would have never even considered it on his own.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224806)
Posted by Lord Onixprime on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:30pm CDT
Posted by Lord Onixprime on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:30pm CDT
Stupid. Can't get behind this at all. there are about 1000 other better choices.
Has David Kaye been admitted to the hall of fame yet? If not, he is much more deserving than Bay and Spielberg.
Has David Kaye been admitted to the hall of fame yet? If not, he is much more deserving than Bay and Spielberg.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224810)
Posted by MaverickPrime on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:35pm CDT
Posted by MaverickPrime on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:35pm CDT
Personally I think it's cool they also give a little something to the people that do their effort to give us what we like, but I know haters are sooooooo gonna hate!!! Damn, we need a troll face smiley
Damn, we need a troll face smiley
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224812)
Posted by RiddlerJ on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:39pm CDT
I love how the Bay fluffers blame everything bad on everyone else but all the good stuff is Bay and only Bay's doing. Just what do they think directors do on films. They're the person in charge of putting all the pieces together to make a decent movie, and are required to fix any problems the writers, designers, actors and all have.
"visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies"
By your logic then, isn't it the designer and cinematographer and editor and special effects guys and film processors who deserve the credit and not Bay.
What I hate is there are people who made the franchise successful in the first place. Furman, Flint Dille, who knows how many people who designed the toys and cartoons and books. People without whom there would be no Transfomrers today. Instead they give it to some guy who saw a property to fix his own sagging career with, or as he originally called it "a stupid toy movie".
Posted by RiddlerJ on May 18th, 2011 @ 7:39pm CDT
Blurrz wrote:Gandalf wrote:Blurrz wrote:Complain about the movie storyline, it's the writer's fault. Designs.. it's the designers fault....Michael Bay is a director first and foremost, and visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies.
Am I wrong in thinking that the director has final approval over all of that?
Nah, he's too busy being Michael Bay.
I love how the Bay fluffers blame everything bad on everyone else but all the good stuff is Bay and only Bay's doing. Just what do they think directors do on films. They're the person in charge of putting all the pieces together to make a decent movie, and are required to fix any problems the writers, designers, actors and all have.
"visually, he's presented two pretty visually pleasing movies"
By your logic then, isn't it the designer and cinematographer and editor and special effects guys and film processors who deserve the credit and not Bay.
What I hate is there are people who made the franchise successful in the first place. Furman, Flint Dille, who knows how many people who designed the toys and cartoons and books. People without whom there would be no Transfomrers today. Instead they give it to some guy who saw a property to fix his own sagging career with, or as he originally called it "a stupid toy movie".
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224827)
Posted by Mkall on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:00pm CDT
What I love is how quick people are to dismiss Bay's contributions because they think their heroes are better.
Furman and Dille are great people and their past contributions were magnificient and they deserve all the respect they can get for doing something with the Transformers.
But their contributions pale in comparison to Michael Bay's. Do you know why?
Because neither of them have their name attached to the BILLIONS of dollars that are flooding into Paramount and Hasbro because of the movies today.
Bay absolutely qualifies for your statement "without whom there would be no Transformers today" because without Bay we may be back in the dead days post-G2. Instead we're in the hayday of popularity, with a whole new generation of children buying toys and making memories.
Like him or hate him, Bay's name is attached to that in a big way; whatever his reasons for doing so in the first place.
This is coming from someone who really enjoys Furman's work, and not a huge fan of Bay's or the Movieverse in general, but respect is given where it's due.
Posted by Mkall on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:00pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:What I hate is there are people who made the franchise successful in the first place. Furman, Flint Dille, who knows how many people who designed the toys and cartoons and books. People without whom there would be no Transfomrers today. Instead they give it to some guy who saw a property to fix his own sagging career with, or as he originally called it "a stupid toy movie".
What I love is how quick people are to dismiss Bay's contributions because they think their heroes are better.
Furman and Dille are great people and their past contributions were magnificient and they deserve all the respect they can get for doing something with the Transformers.
But their contributions pale in comparison to Michael Bay's. Do you know why?
Because neither of them have their name attached to the BILLIONS of dollars that are flooding into Paramount and Hasbro because of the movies today.
Bay absolutely qualifies for your statement "without whom there would be no Transformers today" because without Bay we may be back in the dead days post-G2. Instead we're in the hayday of popularity, with a whole new generation of children buying toys and making memories.
Like him or hate him, Bay's name is attached to that in a big way; whatever his reasons for doing so in the first place.
This is coming from someone who really enjoys Furman's work, and not a huge fan of Bay's or the Movieverse in general, but respect is given where it's due.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224837)
Posted by Jaynz on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:08pm CDT
Posted by Jaynz on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:08pm CDT
Let's be honest here, no matter WHAT you think of these two, the only reason (and I mean the ONLY reason) that they're being indoctrinated this year is to hype up the new movie coming out. There was absolutely no other thought in mind as to why this decision was made - it's pure marketing bullshit.
Actually, I'm going to take it a step further. Look at the "Iconic Autobots" they chose for this year as well? Ironhide and Ratchet? MAYBE Ironhide, but Ratchet? You mean Hot Rod, or even Hot Shot had less of an impact? Cheetor ring a bell? I'm sure this decision ALSO has NOTHING to do with these two being two of the leads in the new movie either...
Filthy whoring.
Actually, I'm going to take it a step further. Look at the "Iconic Autobots" they chose for this year as well? Ironhide and Ratchet? MAYBE Ironhide, but Ratchet? You mean Hot Rod, or even Hot Shot had less of an impact? Cheetor ring a bell? I'm sure this decision ALSO has NOTHING to do with these two being two of the leads in the new movie either...
Filthy whoring.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224844)
Posted by Covenant on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:13pm CDT
Thank you. Could NOT have been said more truer, especially the Bay's words bit at the end, or better. Rock.
Better? How about here first? How about the reason Transformers is here at all? How about the very reasons the POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE made it long enough for Bay to jump onboard? What I hate is how quick some people are to dismiss all things past to over protect the new.
Posted by Covenant on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:13pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:What I hate is there are people who made the franchise successful in the first place. Furman, Flint Dille, who knows how many people who designed the toys and cartoons and books. People without whom there would be no Transfomrers today. Instead they give it to some guy who saw a property to fix his own sagging career with, or as he originally called it "a stupid toy movie".
Thank you. Could NOT have been said more truer, especially the Bay's words bit at the end, or better. Rock.
Mkall wrote:What I love is how quick people are to dismiss Bay's contributions because they think their heroes are better.
Better? How about here first? How about the reason Transformers is here at all? How about the very reasons the POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE made it long enough for Bay to jump onboard? What I hate is how quick some people are to dismiss all things past to over protect the new.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224851)
Posted by Jaynz on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:22pm CDT
Yes, here's a list of the non-existant 'dead days' of Transformers lines before Bay's movies came out. You may have heard of a couple:
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Robots in Disguise
Armada
Energon
Only one of which didn't do well (Beast Machines).
Posted by Jaynz on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:22pm CDT
Mkall wrote:Bay absolutely qualifies for your statement "without whom there would be no Transformers today" because without Bay we may be back in the dead days post-G2. Instead we're in the hayday of popularity, with a whole new generation of children buying toys and making memories.
Yes, here's a list of the non-existant 'dead days' of Transformers lines before Bay's movies came out. You may have heard of a couple:
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Robots in Disguise
Armada
Energon
Only one of which didn't do well (Beast Machines).
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224874)
Posted by RiddlerJ on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:49pm CDT
I'm not even that big a Furman fan. I just know that in the 30 or so years the brand has been around, people like him have definitely put more work into the franchise than someone like Bay who just jumped on and rode the wave. If that's the case, why not nominate Pat Lee who also could be said to have created a big reinterest in the brand, and who is pretty much reviled now by Transfans because of his antics.
I'm also pretty sure someone like Furman would appreciate it more than Bay who I honestly believe couldn't care less about something like this.
Posted by RiddlerJ on May 18th, 2011 @ 8:49pm CDT
Mkall wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:What I hate is there are people who made the franchise successful in the first place. Furman, Flint Dille, who knows how many people who designed the toys and cartoons and books. People without whom there would be no Transfomrers today. Instead they give it to some guy who saw a property to fix his own sagging career with, or as he originally called it "a stupid toy movie".
What I love is how quick people are to dismiss Bay's contributions because they think their heroes are better.
Furman and Dille are great people and their past contributions were magnificient and they deserve all the respect they can get for doing something with the Transformers.
But their contributions pale in comparison to Michael Bay's. Do you know why?
Because neither of them have their name attached to the BILLIONS of dollars that are flooding into Paramount and Hasbro because of the movies today.
Bay absolutely qualifies for your statement "without whom there would be no Transformers today" because without Bay we may be back in the dead days post-G2. Instead we're in the hayday of popularity, with a whole new generation of children buying toys and making memories.
Like him or hate him, Bay's name is attached to that in a big way; whatever his reasons for doing so in the first place.
This is coming from someone who really enjoys Furman's work, and not a huge fan of Bay's or the Movieverse in general, but respect is given where it's due.
I'm not even that big a Furman fan. I just know that in the 30 or so years the brand has been around, people like him have definitely put more work into the franchise than someone like Bay who just jumped on and rode the wave. If that's the case, why not nominate Pat Lee who also could be said to have created a big reinterest in the brand, and who is pretty much reviled now by Transfans because of his antics.
I'm also pretty sure someone like Furman would appreciate it more than Bay who I honestly believe couldn't care less about something like this.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224881)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:02pm CDT
Posted by Megatron Wolf on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:02pm CDT
Unless they're getting credit for ruining the franchise they dont deserve to be inducted. I keep forgetting Spielberg had a part in these movies, you think with him on board they wouldnt have sucked so bad. There are plenty of other people who have been involved in the franchise that deserve to be inducted before these two. And people wonder why ive lost faith in this franchise.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224895)
Posted by Mkall on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:30pm CDT
You're using a weird term that was never associated with Transformers before the latest movies: Popular Culture. It was never a pop-culture thing before the movies came out. Maybe in the 80's when it first aired, but certainly not since 1988 or so. If you want to thank anyone for keeping Transformers alive it would be the Japanese who kept Transformers going for 15 years while the US just imported it and dubbed over top of it and re-used the toy molds.
Please tell me where I'm dismissing everyone who came before Bay. I outright said I like Furman's work more than Bay's and I really hope Furman gets officially recognized in the near future along with Dille and others who formed the foundation. The Hall of Fame is in year two. There's plenty of years of life left and plenty of faces left to get the recognition they deserve. Unless of course the the "prophets" are right, in which case the Rapture will make this all a moot point
Like him or hate him, you cannot deny the fact he's taken Transformers to a new level of popularity, and has turned it into the - as you put it - POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE. You want to argue the order in which these people get inducted into the Hall of Fame? Well that's an entirely different debate.
I think you may have misinterpretted my point. I meant Post-G2, where there were no figures on the shelves and no one knew if there was ever going to be another TF Line. Except for after Beast Machines, which was another dead time, it's been pretty much a straight production of Transformers lines, give or take a few months for line changes.
Posted by Mkall on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:30pm CDT
Covenant wrote:Better? How about here first? How about the reason Transformers is here at all? How about the very reasons the POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE made it long enough for Bay to jump onboard? What I hate is how quick some people are to dismiss all things past to over protect the new.
You're using a weird term that was never associated with Transformers before the latest movies: Popular Culture. It was never a pop-culture thing before the movies came out. Maybe in the 80's when it first aired, but certainly not since 1988 or so. If you want to thank anyone for keeping Transformers alive it would be the Japanese who kept Transformers going for 15 years while the US just imported it and dubbed over top of it and re-used the toy molds.
Please tell me where I'm dismissing everyone who came before Bay. I outright said I like Furman's work more than Bay's and I really hope Furman gets officially recognized in the near future along with Dille and others who formed the foundation. The Hall of Fame is in year two. There's plenty of years of life left and plenty of faces left to get the recognition they deserve. Unless of course the the "prophets" are right, in which case the Rapture will make this all a moot point
Like him or hate him, you cannot deny the fact he's taken Transformers to a new level of popularity, and has turned it into the - as you put it - POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE. You want to argue the order in which these people get inducted into the Hall of Fame? Well that's an entirely different debate.
Jaynz wrote:Yes, here's a list of the non-existant 'dead days' of Transformers lines before Bay's movies came out. You may have heard of a couple:
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Robots in Disguise
Armada
Energon
Only one of which didn't do well (Beast Machines).
I think you may have misinterpretted my point. I meant Post-G2, where there were no figures on the shelves and no one knew if there was ever going to be another TF Line. Except for after Beast Machines, which was another dead time, it's been pretty much a straight production of Transformers lines, give or take a few months for line changes.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224904)
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:44pm CDT
It is marketing bullshit.
It is filthy whoring.
But that doesn't mean none of them don't deserve it.
There are a LOT of characters that deserve recognition. There are a LOT of behind the scenes people who deserve recognition.
But only so many can make it in each year. This year, they just decided to honour those who have had something to do with the movies.
Plain and simple. Don't like it? Good on ya. Won't change the fact that these people have contributed to the TF universe and helped bring those characters into our lives.
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:44pm CDT
Jaynz wrote:Let's be honest here, no matter WHAT you think of these two, the only reason (and I mean the ONLY reason) that they're being indoctrinated this year is to hype up the new movie coming out. There was absolutely no other thought in mind as to why this decision was made - it's pure marketing bullshit.
Actually, I'm going to take it a step further. Look at the "Iconic Autobots" they chose for this year as well? Ironhide and Ratchet? MAYBE Ironhide, but Ratchet? You mean Hot Rod, or even Hot Shot had less of an impact? Cheetor ring a bell? I'm sure this decision ALSO has NOTHING to do with these two being two of the leads in the new movie either...
Filthy whoring.
It is marketing bullshit.
It is filthy whoring.
But that doesn't mean none of them don't deserve it.
There are a LOT of characters that deserve recognition. There are a LOT of behind the scenes people who deserve recognition.
But only so many can make it in each year. This year, they just decided to honour those who have had something to do with the movies.
Plain and simple. Don't like it? Good on ya. Won't change the fact that these people have contributed to the TF universe and helped bring those characters into our lives.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224908)
Posted by Jaynz on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:58pm CDT
The point is that IT ALREADY WAS A WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE that was ALREADY WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. There are a lot of people who made that happen, after all. And, hell, I think Shia LaBouf deserves the nod a hell of a lot more than Spielberg that basically signed a couple of contracts and said "Yeah, Paramount wants this movie done. I need to talk to George about this Shia kid anyway for something else I'm doing."
And after "Revenge of the Fallen", I'm not so sure that I would think Bay deserves to be honored for much, really... Spielberg most certainly does not deserve it. And Ratchet? If it were Animated Ratchet, you may have something... but are you really going to tell me THAT was a worthy choice of 'most iconic Transformers characters of all time'?
Beast Machines flopped but it wasn't a 'dead time', and you most certainly DID try to say that there was 'nothing between G2 and Micheal Bay'. I'm not letting you backpedal out of an outright lie like that. Heck, you did it AGAIN with your claim that "we were just copying Japan" ... yet Beast Wars and Beast Machines were Canadian shows with American toys. It would take years for Japan to catch up.
I get that you're a fan of the movies, and more power to ya, but you do NOT get to make up your facts to support his ascension.
Posted by Jaynz on May 18th, 2011 @ 9:58pm CDT
Mkall wrote:Like him or hate him, you cannot deny the fact he's taken Transformers to a new level of popularity, and has turned it into the - as you put it - POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE. You want to argue the order in which these people get inducted into the Hall of Fame? Well that's an entirely different debate.
The point is that IT ALREADY WAS A WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE that was ALREADY WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. There are a lot of people who made that happen, after all. And, hell, I think Shia LaBouf deserves the nod a hell of a lot more than Spielberg that basically signed a couple of contracts and said "Yeah, Paramount wants this movie done. I need to talk to George about this Shia kid anyway for something else I'm doing."
And after "Revenge of the Fallen", I'm not so sure that I would think Bay deserves to be honored for much, really... Spielberg most certainly does not deserve it. And Ratchet? If it were Animated Ratchet, you may have something... but are you really going to tell me THAT was a worthy choice of 'most iconic Transformers characters of all time'?
Jaynz wrote:I think you may have misinterpretted my point. I meant Post-G2, where there were no figures on the shelves and no one knew if there was ever going to be another TF Line. Except for after Beast Machines, which was another dead time, it's been pretty much a straight production of Transformers lines, give or take a few months for line changes.
Beast Machines flopped but it wasn't a 'dead time', and you most certainly DID try to say that there was 'nothing between G2 and Micheal Bay'. I'm not letting you backpedal out of an outright lie like that. Heck, you did it AGAIN with your claim that "we were just copying Japan" ... yet Beast Wars and Beast Machines were Canadian shows with American toys. It would take years for Japan to catch up.
I get that you're a fan of the movies, and more power to ya, but you do NOT get to make up your facts to support his ascension.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224917)
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:13pm CDT
Ratchet in the old Marvel comics.
'nuff said.
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:13pm CDT
Jaynz wrote:And Ratchet? If it were Animated Ratchet, you may have something... but are you really going to tell me THAT was a worthy choice of 'most iconic Transformers characters of all time'?
Ratchet in the old Marvel comics.
'nuff said.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224921)
Posted by Covenant on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:18pm CDT
That's actually the first denial of such of thing I've seen in my thirty years.
So, going by this ill-fated theory, you can say (for mere example) that Abraham Lincoln was never president of the US. Maybe back when he served in office, but certainly not since Booth. I was unaware that a minute, or month, or decade of not being something suddenly means it never was, unless it is now, then whatever it was means nothing in comparison, because its now that says what it's always been. Apparently.
Yeah, that's some jinky logic there.
Soooo how does this not count? And then why wouldn't someone in the Japanese end of things not deserve a spot in this TF Hall of Fame before a current movie director as well? So yes, a thanks to Japan, and then yes a thanks for the import/redub/repacking for release in another country. Can't be worldwide if you don't start jumping into different countries now can you.
You're dismissing fellow fans statements that those who came before Bay have a right, most would agree even more so, to get a shot at the Hall of Fame. You're going on about 'like it or not he's a part of Transformers now' when I don't hear a whole lot of denial of that being that its obvious. What's being said is that those who created Transformers, wrote Transformers, illustrated Transformers, voiced Transformers, built Transformers and endeared Transformers before Michael Bay so much as directed his first tv commercial might just have a little more validity of recognition in a Transformers Hall of Fame prior to Bay getting a shot.
Actually, that's this debate. This one right here.
Posted by Covenant on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:18pm CDT
Mkall wrote:Covenant wrote:Better? How about here first? How about the reason Transformers is here at all? How about the very reasons the POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE made it long enough for Bay to jump onboard? What I hate is how quick some people are to dismiss all things past to over protect the new. It was never a pop-culture thing before the movies came out.
You're using a weird term that was never associated with Transformers before the latest movies: Popular Culture.
That's actually the first denial of such of thing I've seen in my thirty years.
Mkall wrote: Maybe in the 80's when it first aired, but certainly not since 1988 or so.
So, going by this ill-fated theory, you can say (for mere example) that Abraham Lincoln was never president of the US. Maybe back when he served in office, but certainly not since Booth. I was unaware that a minute, or month, or decade of not being something suddenly means it never was, unless it is now, then whatever it was means nothing in comparison, because its now that says what it's always been. Apparently.
Yeah, that's some jinky logic there.
Mkall wrote:If you want to thank anyone for keeping Transformers alive it would be the Japanese who kept Transformers going for 15 years while the US just imported it and dubbed over top of it and re-used the toy molds.
Soooo how does this not count? And then why wouldn't someone in the Japanese end of things not deserve a spot in this TF Hall of Fame before a current movie director as well? So yes, a thanks to Japan, and then yes a thanks for the import/redub/repacking for release in another country. Can't be worldwide if you don't start jumping into different countries now can you.
Mkall wrote:Please tell me where I'm dismissing everyone who came before Bay. I outright said I like Furman's work more than Bay's and I really hope Furman gets officially recognized in the near future along with Dille and others who formed the foundation.
You're dismissing fellow fans statements that those who came before Bay have a right, most would agree even more so, to get a shot at the Hall of Fame. You're going on about 'like it or not he's a part of Transformers now' when I don't hear a whole lot of denial of that being that its obvious. What's being said is that those who created Transformers, wrote Transformers, illustrated Transformers, voiced Transformers, built Transformers and endeared Transformers before Michael Bay so much as directed his first tv commercial might just have a little more validity of recognition in a Transformers Hall of Fame prior to Bay getting a shot.
Mkall wrote:You want to argue the order in which these people get inducted into the Hall of Fame? Well that's an entirely different debate.
Actually, that's this debate. This one right here.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224926)
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:27pm CDT
If memory serves me correctly ... a Japanese designer inducted last year.
Posted by Burn on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:27pm CDT
Covenant wrote:why wouldn't someone in the Japanese end of things not deserve a spot in this TF Hall of Fame before a current movie director as well? So yes, a thanks to Japan, and then yes a thanks for the import/redub/repacking for release in another country. Can't be worldwide if you don't start jumping into different countries now can you.
If memory serves me correctly ... a Japanese designer inducted last year.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224940)
Posted by Seibertron on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:42pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on May 18th, 2011 @ 10:42pm CDT
Definitely thinking that Simon Furman is getting the short end of the stick here. I'm not trying to belittle Michael Bay and ultimately Steven Spielberg's contributions (and I think both are very worthy in their own rights), just thinking that Furman should've gotten a nod as well. Hopefully next year!
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224962)
Posted by Noideaforaname on May 18th, 2011 @ 11:48pm CDT
Posted by Noideaforaname on May 18th, 2011 @ 11:48pm CDT
Just in time for the new movie!
Incidentally, I'm not sure if Bay would attend future HoF events. Let's face it, most other would-be Hall of Famers are a LOT more dedicated.
Incidentally, I'm not sure if Bay would attend future HoF events. Let's face it, most other would-be Hall of Famers are a LOT more dedicated.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224964)
Posted by Mkall on May 19th, 2011 @ 12:06am CDT
Yes, and Bay expanded it even further than that. He singlehandedly increased Hasbro's Transformers revenue by 4 times in 2007.
Beast Machines flopped but it wasn't a 'dead time', and you most certainly DID try to say that there was 'nothing between G2 and Micheal Bay'. I'm not letting you backpedal out of an outright lie like that. Heck, you did it AGAIN with your claim that "we were just copying Japan" ... yet Beast Wars and Beast Machines were Canadian shows with American toys. It would take years for Japan to catch up.[/quote]
Now this is getting pedantic...
Dead time is time between toy lines. Unlike today, there were YEARS before a line ended and a new line began, these times were between G2 and Beast Wars and Beast Machines and Robots in disguise. To suggest that I'm ignoring everything between G2 and Michael Bay is insulting my intelligence and my 600+ figure collection of Beast Wars, RiD, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Classics, Universe and other miscellaneous figures. Twist my words if you want, but I've laid out my intent with them and you can either take it at face value or see some hidden meaning that somehow contradicts your viewpoint; I don't care.
Now it seems I have to explain my statements about Japan... You know what? I don't have to. The proof is there in Car Robots (Robots in Disguise), Micron Legend (Armada), Superlink (Energon), and Galaxy Force (Cybertron). It took 7 years between the end of Beast Machines and the Beginning of Animated for a Transformers show to be produced for American audiences. Tack onto that the years that Transformers only exists in Japan pre-Beast Wars and there's a number higher than 15.
I don't make up facts, I'm just not used to explaining them all in this much detail. Actually I'm not a huge fan of the movies. I'm simply arguing Bay's impact on the franchise. I get that you DON'T like the movies, but don't let personal oppinion cloud your judgement.
It's just the fact I've NEVER seen that phrase mixed in with the Transformers Brand before the Bay films. If it's out there and I've been too blind to see it, I do retract this statement with apologies.
Now that this has been suitibly derailed, if you guys have any responses to this, please PM me, or add me to MSN (see the icon below my name) and I'd be more than happy to discuss my oppinions and viewpoints with an open mind.
Posted by Mkall on May 19th, 2011 @ 12:06am CDT
Jaynz wrote:Mkall wrote:Like him or hate him, you cannot deny the fact he's taken Transformers to a new level of popularity, and has turned it into the - as you put it - POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE. You want to argue the order in which these people get inducted into the Hall of Fame? Well that's an entirely different debate.
The point is that IT ALREADY WAS A WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE that was ALREADY WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Yes, and Bay expanded it even further than that. He singlehandedly increased Hasbro's Transformers revenue by 4 times in 2007.
I think you may have misinterpretted my point. I meant Post-G2, where there were no figures on the shelves and no one knew if there was ever going to be another TF Line. Except for after Beast Machines, which was another dead time, it's been pretty much a straight production of Transformers lines, give or take a few months for line changes.[/quote]Jaynz"There are a lot of people who made that happen, after all. And, hell, I think Shia LaBouf deserves the nod a hell of a lot more than Spielberg that basically signed a couple of contracts and said "Yeah, Paramount wants this movie done. I need to talk to George about this Shia kid anyway for something else I'm doing."[/quote]
I agree that Shia should get it too. We can agree on that too. Maybe next year?
[quote="Jaynz wrote:
Beast Machines flopped but it wasn't a 'dead time', and you most certainly DID try to say that there was 'nothing between G2 and Micheal Bay'. I'm not letting you backpedal out of an outright lie like that. Heck, you did it AGAIN with your claim that "we were just copying Japan" ... yet Beast Wars and Beast Machines were Canadian shows with American toys. It would take years for Japan to catch up.[/quote]
Now this is getting pedantic...
Dead time is time between toy lines. Unlike today, there were YEARS before a line ended and a new line began, these times were between G2 and Beast Wars and Beast Machines and Robots in disguise. To suggest that I'm ignoring everything between G2 and Michael Bay is insulting my intelligence and my 600+ figure collection of Beast Wars, RiD, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Classics, Universe and other miscellaneous figures. Twist my words if you want, but I've laid out my intent with them and you can either take it at face value or see some hidden meaning that somehow contradicts your viewpoint; I don't care.
Now it seems I have to explain my statements about Japan... You know what? I don't have to. The proof is there in Car Robots (Robots in Disguise), Micron Legend (Armada), Superlink (Energon), and Galaxy Force (Cybertron). It took 7 years between the end of Beast Machines and the Beginning of Animated for a Transformers show to be produced for American audiences. Tack onto that the years that Transformers only exists in Japan pre-Beast Wars and there's a number higher than 15.
I get that you're a fan of the movies, and more power to ya, but you do NOT get to make up your facts to support his ascension.
I don't make up facts, I'm just not used to explaining them all in this much detail. Actually I'm not a huge fan of the movies. I'm simply arguing Bay's impact on the franchise. I get that you DON'T like the movies, but don't let personal oppinion cloud your judgement.
Covenant wrote:Mkall wrote:Covenant wrote:Better? How about here first? How about the reason Transformers is here at all? How about the very reasons the POPULAR/POP CULTURE WORLDWIDE FRANCHISE made it long enough for Bay to jump onboard? What I hate is how quick some people are to dismiss all things past to over protect the new. It was never a pop-culture thing before the movies came out.
You're using a weird term that was never associated with Transformers before the latest movies: Popular Culture.
That's actually the first denial of such of thing I've seen in my thirty years.
It's just the fact I've NEVER seen that phrase mixed in with the Transformers Brand before the Bay films. If it's out there and I've been too blind to see it, I do retract this statement with apologies.
Now that this has been suitibly derailed, if you guys have any responses to this, please PM me, or add me to MSN (see the icon below my name) and I'd be more than happy to discuss my oppinions and viewpoints with an open mind.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224970)
Posted by Deathsanras on May 19th, 2011 @ 12:24am CDT
Posted by Deathsanras on May 19th, 2011 @ 12:24am CDT
That's.... brave.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224976)
Posted by Master Renegade on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:18am CDT
Posted by Master Renegade on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:18am CDT
My initial knee-jerk reaction was that this was a horrible decision and that neither of them deserved this. Michael Bay's movies are so horribly bad that I feel he should be executed for war crimes. (Watching one of his movies is torture.) I've also lost all respect for Steven Spielberg since he keeps saying that these films are actually good. How can someone deserve to be in a Hall of Fame when their work is garbage?
After thinking about it, it's simple: They're famous, and this is a Hall of FAME. Looked at that way, I can't argue that their inclusion isn't justified, regardless of the obviously marketing-based timing.
After thinking about it, it's simple: They're famous, and this is a Hall of FAME. Looked at that way, I can't argue that their inclusion isn't justified, regardless of the obviously marketing-based timing.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1224996)
Posted by OlivusPrime on May 19th, 2011 @ 3:13am CDT
Posted by OlivusPrime on May 19th, 2011 @ 3:13am CDT
There's no point complaining about Bay "ruining" the franchise, because just as other people have said, he rejuvenated it. I'm one of the many, many fans who joined the fanbase when the movies were released, and whether G1 fans hated the new movies or not, it was pretty much the kick-ass designs that led me into the franchise, before the plot and characters grew on me. Frankly, without the new movies, plenty of fans wouldn't be here and the Unicron Trilogy would probably be still giving people nightmares.
I reckon Bay and Spielberg should be inducted this year, before the movies become a thing of the past. Frank Welker still voices Megatron today, so it's no big loss that his induction will be put off by one year.
I reckon Bay and Spielberg should be inducted this year, before the movies become a thing of the past. Frank Welker still voices Megatron today, so it's no big loss that his induction will be put off by one year.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225038)
Posted by JRFitzpatrick7 on May 19th, 2011 @ 6:01am CDT
Posted by JRFitzpatrick7 on May 19th, 2011 @ 6:01am CDT
When I was a kid, a wee lad, I watched Beast Wars season 1. Thought it was cool but I liked Reboot better. as a kid I never saw seasons 2 and 3. Then came Beast Wars, I hated the designs, I didn't recognize them as Transformers. I think I saw 2 or 3 episodes before I stopped trying to watch it. Robots in Disguise brought me back somewhat, but again, my interest waivered and I changed the channel. Armada really got me into Transformers again, I was taping episodes on my parents VCR and watching them until the tapes wore out. towards the final third of its run i began losing interest again, never watched Energon, same goes for Cybertron. It wasn't until the movies came out that my excitement came back. The movies really grabbed me. i bought every toy, i found out their were comic adaptations and prequels, had to have them. Every piece of literature i could get my hands on i got it. i own just about all of the movie toys and i love playing with them. From the movie comics i went backwards, found out about the Marvel comics and every Transformers comic that came after them would soon be mine (save for the Marvel UK books, they remain ever elusive). After the movies, I bought my first g1 figure. An Optimus Prime. then i got some classics figures, then i got the rest of them, then i got Universe 2.0, Masterpiecepicked up some beast wars too. I got one of the most complete Global Armada collections all at once. I've become the guy that preorders everything on BBTS, just to make sure i get them because i can't rely on my local chains. The Movies sucked me back into this franchise and I'm so freaking happy to be here. On Monday I arrived at my local Target to get the new DotM figures, it was 10:37 am. The shelves were empty. If an hour and a half after the store opens the sheves are empty, their doing something right. Asked a stock boy for assistance and he brought out fresh cases, barely got the card board flaps open before we dumped them into my shopping cart (he radioed the backroom to bring out more for the shelves). You may hate the designs, I freaking love them, to me this is what a truck would look like if you turned it into a humanoid form. The engineering in the toys is mind blowing. The advances they are making is incredible! we went from Cybertron Optimus prime that unfolds to 2007 movie Optimus Prime From there we got the raddest Optimus Prime ever, ROTF Prime. In 2 years they went from a mold that i thought was the most accurate representation of movie prime to one of my favorite Transformers toys ever. for me, these movies make it hard not to be a Transformers fan. Spielberg and Bay played an essential role in bringing me back to the franchise and opening my eyes to everything i had missed. And yes i know there were lighting guys and extras and actors and whoever else. Bay had a vision for what the movie should look like and i loved it. I thought they were both really fun movies. And ease up on Mkall, his post sums up everything that I am as a Transformers fan.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225054)
Posted by griftimus prime on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:02am CDT
Posted by griftimus prime on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:02am CDT
this is a joke right?
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225090)
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 8:39am CDT
I considered that, actually, but I can't agree. The comics were very low-impact compared to the cartoon, and Ratchet barely featured in the latter. Even then, can I say that Ratchet made more of an impact than Galvatron in that comic? Or Shockwave? Nevermind more recent 'icon-powerful' characters like Hot Shot, Cheetor, Sideburn, or even Demolishor.
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 8:39am CDT
Burn wrote:Jaynz wrote:And Ratchet? If it were Animated Ratchet, you may have something... but are you really going to tell me THAT was a worthy choice of 'most iconic Transformers characters of all time'?
Ratchet in the old Marvel comics.
'nuff said.
I considered that, actually, but I can't agree. The comics were very low-impact compared to the cartoon, and Ratchet barely featured in the latter. Even then, can I say that Ratchet made more of an impact than Galvatron in that comic? Or Shockwave? Nevermind more recent 'icon-powerful' characters like Hot Shot, Cheetor, Sideburn, or even Demolishor.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225095)
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 8:49am CDT
Well, that's progress.
And what I'm trying to tell you was that there wasn't that much dead time. We had one year between the end of G1 and G2 (and G1 lasted seven years!) There was only six months between the end of G2 and Beast Wars. And, aside from those gaps, we've never had down time in the brand. The total amount of 'dead time' for Transformers lines in the US equates to less than 18 months. And during THAT time, Japan and Europe continued on their own. In reality, there has not been a time that new Transformers wasn't being released, somewhere, in the 25 years since they were first released.
So are you saying that when Japan was importing G1, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and Transformers: Animated, they weren't actually getting Transformers? I can't accept that logic, particularly since this is a worldwide honor.
I didn't mind the first one, though I dislike the BayVerse aesthetic. The second movie is 110 minutes of my life that I really want back.
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 8:49am CDT
Mkall wrote:I agree that Shia should get it too. We can agree on that too. Maybe next year?
Well, that's progress.
Dead time is time between toy lines. Unlike today, there were YEARS before a line ended and a new line began, these times were between G2 and Beast Wars and Beast Machines and Robots in disguise.
And what I'm trying to tell you was that there wasn't that much dead time. We had one year between the end of G1 and G2 (and G1 lasted seven years!) There was only six months between the end of G2 and Beast Wars. And, aside from those gaps, we've never had down time in the brand. The total amount of 'dead time' for Transformers lines in the US equates to less than 18 months. And during THAT time, Japan and Europe continued on their own. In reality, there has not been a time that new Transformers wasn't being released, somewhere, in the 25 years since they were first released.
Tack onto that the years that Transformers only exists in Japan pre-Beast Wars and there's a number higher than 15.
So are you saying that when Japan was importing G1, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and Transformers: Animated, they weren't actually getting Transformers? I can't accept that logic, particularly since this is a worldwide honor.
I get that you DON'T like the movies, but don't let personal oppinion cloud your judgement.
I didn't mind the first one, though I dislike the BayVerse aesthetic. The second movie is 110 minutes of my life that I really want back.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225097)
Posted by Energon on May 19th, 2011 @ 8:56am CDT
Posted by Energon on May 19th, 2011 @ 8:56am CDT
Michael Bay EDIT:(So, in keeping with the transformers theme, I can say spit if Bumblebee can leak lubricants on someone.) and Spielberg, NO NO NO NO NO NO The hasbro marketing team was responsible for the success. For a Hall of Fame, usually there is about 25 years of space before someone should get nominated. Give some other director a chance to do the Transformers movies then you can say if it was Bay or not. I say it is too soon. give someone else a crack at directing, someone who will give the Transformers more respect than pee jokes, balls, masterbation or drug references. A good movie does not need any of that. Thor was great in that respect.
The Transformers films may have had a financial impact on Hasbro but the movies are way too controversial to put any part of them in a hall of fame. One good movie and one crap movie does not boast hall of fame noteriety. These movies are way too new and Bay hasn't earned any respect that would put him as a desirable candidate.
Honor those who have made significant contributions within their career to the franchise first. David Kaye, Simon Furman,Susan Blu, David Wise, the people that have designed some amazing toy transformations like Aaron Archer, the illustrators for the comics. I would put all these people first before any Movie related persona.
The sad thing is that I have a Primus and an HoF ticket. I am not going to come out for this. EDIT cancelled the ticket today. Woot!
The Transformers films may have had a financial impact on Hasbro but the movies are way too controversial to put any part of them in a hall of fame. One good movie and one crap movie does not boast hall of fame noteriety. These movies are way too new and Bay hasn't earned any respect that would put him as a desirable candidate.
Honor those who have made significant contributions within their career to the franchise first. David Kaye, Simon Furman,Susan Blu, David Wise, the people that have designed some amazing toy transformations like Aaron Archer, the illustrators for the comics. I would put all these people first before any Movie related persona.
The sad thing is that I have a Primus and an HoF ticket. I am not going to come out for this. EDIT cancelled the ticket today. Woot!
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225137)
Posted by Noideaforaname on May 19th, 2011 @ 10:33am CDT
Posted by Noideaforaname on May 19th, 2011 @ 10:33am CDT
To quote someone from TFW
While quality is debatable, it is NOT the sole deciding factor for the Hall of Fame. You cannot deny the incredible success of the movies, nor the massive boost they gave both the Transformers brand and Hasbro as a whole. For that, Bay and Spielberg absolutely deserve getting in.
Besides, this is probably the only time Bay can be bothered to appear at one of these things.
Fonecrusher wrote:The ironic thing is for every childhood that apparently got ruined, many more were made, how many kids would of got into Transformers soley based on the movies?
While quality is debatable, it is NOT the sole deciding factor for the Hall of Fame. You cannot deny the incredible success of the movies, nor the massive boost they gave both the Transformers brand and Hasbro as a whole. For that, Bay and Spielberg absolutely deserve getting in.
Besides, this is probably the only time Bay can be bothered to appear at one of these things.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225152)
Posted by Dagon on May 19th, 2011 @ 10:53am CDT
Posted by Dagon on May 19th, 2011 @ 10:53am CDT
I had to see this thread because this was more or less what I was expecting to see based on this news.
I think it's a cool honor, but I do think Furman and Dille and some of the originators should have been honored before guys that are 'responsible' for a 'resurgence'.
What eternally blows my mind is that people who are expressing opinions to the contrary of Bay/Speilberg being uber terrific are being roared down. Stay classy everyone, and remember that total victory requires the elimination of differing thought. Remember how we all cheered against Megatron in Beast Machines because he wanted to eliminate the potential for disagreement, and that was tyrannical and wrong?
Honestly though, congrats to those two.
I think it's a cool honor, but I do think Furman and Dille and some of the originators should have been honored before guys that are 'responsible' for a 'resurgence'.
What eternally blows my mind is that people who are expressing opinions to the contrary of Bay/Speilberg being uber terrific are being roared down. Stay classy everyone, and remember that total victory requires the elimination of differing thought. Remember how we all cheered against Megatron in Beast Machines because he wanted to eliminate the potential for disagreement, and that was tyrannical and wrong?
Honestly though, congrats to those two.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225178)
Posted by Energon on May 19th, 2011 @ 11:47am CDT
Posted by Energon on May 19th, 2011 @ 11:47am CDT
Transformers the Movie aka Bayformers is way too new to have anyone from that Genre to be in a Hall of Fame. The Hasbro Marketing Team deserve the credit for the Movie success and Not Bay.
For the record, (Mkall) Simon Furman did consult on the Movie. Look at his IMDB page. But that is not why he should be inducted into the HoF. He should be for all the success he has had with it.
For the record, (Mkall) Simon Furman did consult on the Movie. Look at his IMDB page. But that is not why he should be inducted into the HoF. He should be for all the success he has had with it.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225229)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 19th, 2011 @ 12:56pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 19th, 2011 @ 12:56pm CDT
My turn to speak.
While I do admit that these two have indeed played an important role in TF history, I would think inducting these two so soon seems kinda hasty. I mean, I'd think that someone like Simon Furman (who's worked on TF material for nearly all 26+ years) or Frank Welker (who's voiced a large chunk of iconic G1 characters plus many recent ones) would have gotten in before these two. It's like, these are getting in so quickly for their recent efforts before some of those who have been with the franchise for a lot longer.
I'm not saying that these two shouldn't get in. Just that they should... wait their turn.
The following, IMHO, should be inducted before Bay/Spielberg (in no particular order, though):
And, regarding the debate with Mkall, I gotta comment on one thing:
If you are referring to the Unicron Trilogy, those three series were not simply "Japanese creations that the U.S. imported and recycled the toy molds". The Unicron Trilogy (and I do mean ALL of it) was a joint venture between both Hasbro and TakaraTomy working together. Hasbro designed the toys while Takara created the molds. The cartoons' overall plots were conceived by Hasbro, while the Japanese were given the reigns in the execution of each show's specifics. Though, there were a few cases of miscommunication between the two parties, such as when Galaxy Force was made as a another reboot instead of another sequel like Hasbro had intended it to be. In fact, the U.S. got the Armada cartoon before Japan ever got Micron Densetsu. The comics were done primarily by Dreamwave and Fun Publications, both of which were/are American companies.
So, no, Hasbro didn't simply import a bunch of anime that they had no ties to to be used as placeholders for their next big plan. At that time, the Unicron Trilogy was Hasbro's big plan.
While I do admit that these two have indeed played an important role in TF history, I would think inducting these two so soon seems kinda hasty. I mean, I'd think that someone like Simon Furman (who's worked on TF material for nearly all 26+ years) or Frank Welker (who's voiced a large chunk of iconic G1 characters plus many recent ones) would have gotten in before these two. It's like, these are getting in so quickly for their recent efforts before some of those who have been with the franchise for a lot longer.
I'm not saying that these two shouldn't get in. Just that they should... wait their turn.
The following, IMHO, should be inducted before Bay/Spielberg (in no particular order, though):
- Frank Welker - voiced the majority of the G1 cast (including Megatron, Galvatron, and Soundwave)
- Simon Furman - penned probably more TF stories than anyone else, and created the Primus & Unicron god concept
- Bob Forward & Larry DiTillio - head writers of Beast Wars, which shaped all future fiction to come after it
- David Kaye - voiced more Megatrons than anyone else, as well as voicing an Optimus Prime (and a Grimlock), and more
- Flint Dille - one of the story editors for the G1 cartoon
- Susan Blu - voiced G1 Arcee and a few other G1 females, but more importantly, voice director for Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and Animated
- Nelson Shin - producer of the G1 cartoon and director of the G1 movie
- Wally Burr - voice director for the G1 cartoon
- Stan Bush - performer of iconic Transformers songs such as "The Touch"
- Scott McNeil - voiced numerous character roles in all of the Beast Era and all of the Unicron Trilogy
- Shōhei Kohara & Floro Dery - designed the original animation models of the many G1 characters (yes, I know about the infamy surrounding Dery's history in the fandom, but he still played an important role in the franchise's origin -- the dude designed Unicron and the Matrix!)
- Margaret Loesch - formers president and CEO of Marvel Productions during the time of the G1 cartoon, in which she served as a producer of it, and is currently the head of the Hub television network.
And, regarding the debate with Mkall, I gotta comment on one thing:
That has only been done for one series thus far: RiD.Mkall wrote:If you want to thank anyone for keeping Transformers alive it would be the Japanese who kept Transformers going for 15 years while the US just imported it and dubbed over top of it and re-used the toy molds.
If you are referring to the Unicron Trilogy, those three series were not simply "Japanese creations that the U.S. imported and recycled the toy molds". The Unicron Trilogy (and I do mean ALL of it) was a joint venture between both Hasbro and TakaraTomy working together. Hasbro designed the toys while Takara created the molds. The cartoons' overall plots were conceived by Hasbro, while the Japanese were given the reigns in the execution of each show's specifics. Though, there were a few cases of miscommunication between the two parties, such as when Galaxy Force was made as a another reboot instead of another sequel like Hasbro had intended it to be. In fact, the U.S. got the Armada cartoon before Japan ever got Micron Densetsu. The comics were done primarily by Dreamwave and Fun Publications, both of which were/are American companies.
So, no, Hasbro didn't simply import a bunch of anime that they had no ties to to be used as placeholders for their next big plan. At that time, the Unicron Trilogy was Hasbro's big plan.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225235)
Posted by It Is Him on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:03pm CDT
Posted by It Is Him on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:03pm CDT
How are we, five years later, still at the point where people are saying their childhoods are being ruined? It's not like Michael Bay and Spielberg jumped in a time machine, busted down your front door, taped over your precious f.h.e. copy of S.O.S. Dinobots with episodes of Gemm or Care Bears, blew up your house, filmed it, and then CGI'd a clip of Bumblebee taking a piss on your family photo albums.
The franchise has evolved. If you don't like it, don't buy into it. You can still get old G1 episodes, and Beast Wars will be readily available again soon.
The franchise has evolved. If you don't like it, don't buy into it. You can still get old G1 episodes, and Beast Wars will be readily available again soon.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225240)
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:21pm CDT
We're not. No one has said that about their own childhoods. Here's your strawman back. Enjoy him, scare off some crows.
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:21pm CDT
It Is Him wrote:How are we, five years later, still at the point where people are saying their childhoods are being ruined?
We're not. No one has said that about their own childhoods. Here's your strawman back. Enjoy him, scare off some crows.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225245)
Posted by It Is Him on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:38pm CDT
It's an old charge by critics, but fair enough.
The point is people are over-reacting to this news. Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg are being honored for their work on the franchise. They deserve it.
Posted by It Is Him on May 19th, 2011 @ 1:38pm CDT
Noideaforaname wrote:To quote someone from TFWFonecrusher wrote:The ironic thing is for every childhood that apparently got ruined, many more were made, how many kids would of got into Transformers soley based on the movies?
Jaynz wrote:It Is Him wrote:How are we, five years later, still at the point where people are saying their childhoods are being ruined?
We're not. No one has said that about their own childhoods. Here's your strawman back. Enjoy him, scare off some crows.
It's an old charge by critics, but fair enough.
The point is people are over-reacting to this news. Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg are being honored for their work on the franchise. They deserve it.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225252)
Posted by Covenant on May 19th, 2011 @ 2:06pm CDT
Very, very true. Regardless of my preference, or yours, or anyone elses, they've more than established a continuity of their own within TFs. But the issue most are holding is the recognition of these two over longer involved names that made TFs what it is.
That said, I wasn't aware having an honest, non-insultive, logical opinion qualified as over-reacting. Sometimes I wonder what DISCUSSION boards are for when a simple and rightly held view gets nothing but strawmen thrown at it. Its as though your not suppose to say anything, discuss, or debate and all forums are for now should be yes-men posts of AWESOME and little else.
Posted by Covenant on May 19th, 2011 @ 2:06pm CDT
It Is Him wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:To quote someone from TFWFonecrusher wrote:The ironic thing is for every childhood that apparently got ruined, many more were made, how many kids would of got into Transformers soley based on the movies?Jaynz wrote:It Is Him wrote:How are we, five years later, still at the point where people are saying their childhoods are being ruined?
We're not. No one has said that about their own childhoods. Here's your strawman back. Enjoy him, scare off some crows.
It's an old charge by critics, but fair enough.
The point is people are over-reacting to this news. Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg are being honored for their work on the franchise. They deserve it.
Very, very true. Regardless of my preference, or yours, or anyone elses, they've more than established a continuity of their own within TFs. But the issue most are holding is the recognition of these two over longer involved names that made TFs what it is.
That said, I wasn't aware having an honest, non-insultive, logical opinion qualified as over-reacting. Sometimes I wonder what DISCUSSION boards are for when a simple and rightly held view gets nothing but strawmen thrown at it. Its as though your not suppose to say anything, discuss, or debate and all forums are for now should be yes-men posts of AWESOME and little else.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225262)
Posted by It Is Him on May 19th, 2011 @ 2:25pm CDT
Discussion is great! But, are we reading the same thread?
Posted by It Is Him on May 19th, 2011 @ 2:25pm CDT
Covenant wrote:That said, I wasn't aware having an honest, non-insultive, logical opinion qualified as over-reacting. Sometimes I wonder what DISCUSSION boards are for when a simple and rightly held view gets nothing but strawmen thrown at it. Its as though your not suppose to say anything, discuss, or debate and all forums are for now should be yes-men posts of AWESOME and little else.
Discussion is great! But, are we reading the same thread?
Jaynz wrote:Filthy whoring.
Master Renegade wrote:Michael Bay's movies are so horribly bad that I feel he should be executed for war crimes.
Energon wrote:Michael Bay (spit) and Spielberg, NO NO NO NO NO NO
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225282)
Posted by jacksonspade on May 19th, 2011 @ 2:47pm CDT
Posted by jacksonspade on May 19th, 2011 @ 2:47pm CDT
Fact is because of Bay and Speilberg our beloved franchise was brought out of the convention centers and put on display for the world to see. Their contributions racked up over $1.5 billion worldwide at the box-office. They introduced a new generation to Transformers, like my godson who liked my old G1 DVDs but LOVED everything Bay has done. They made is possible for things like Botcon to get to the levels they're at today.
Don't get me wrong, I love Simon Furman, Frank Welker and everyone else that should be put into the hall of fame but this is probably Bay and Speilbergs last project with Transformers. It's their year. Their are far worse things to have happened to this franchise. I just feel bad for the butt hurt fanboys that cant enjoy this new wave of popularity the Transformers brand is enjoying right now.
Don't get me wrong, I love Simon Furman, Frank Welker and everyone else that should be put into the hall of fame but this is probably Bay and Speilbergs last project with Transformers. It's their year. Their are far worse things to have happened to this franchise. I just feel bad for the butt hurt fanboys that cant enjoy this new wave of popularity the Transformers brand is enjoying right now.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225452)
Posted by Pr1meSuspect on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:18pm CDT
Posted by Pr1meSuspect on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:18pm CDT
Come on guys, give Bay some credit!
He's not this total evil guy you may think him to be. After all, a majority of the public wouldnt know what Transformers are if it wernt for the live action movies. And the live action movies are pretty stunning thanks to him. I guess you can say he is helping keep the franchise alive right now. So congrats Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg!! Be looking forward to seeing Bay in person.
He's not this total evil guy you may think him to be. After all, a majority of the public wouldnt know what Transformers are if it wernt for the live action movies. And the live action movies are pretty stunning thanks to him. I guess you can say he is helping keep the franchise alive right now. So congrats Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg!! Be looking forward to seeing Bay in person.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225462)
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:23pm CDT
Posted by Jaynz on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:23pm CDT
Seriously? Most Americans would have never heard of Transformers if it weren't for Bay? That may be the most absurd statement I've EVER heard on a Transformers board.
Re: Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg to be inducted into Transformers Hall of Fame at BotCon 2011 (1225480)
Posted by Covenant on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:59pm CDT
Soooo three one-liners hand-picked equals state-of-a-seven-page-thread? Oversell much?
Posted by Covenant on May 19th, 2011 @ 7:59pm CDT
It Is Him wrote:Covenant wrote:That said, I wasn't aware having an honest, non-insultive, logical opinion qualified as over-reacting. Sometimes I wonder what DISCUSSION boards are for when a simple and rightly held view gets nothing but strawmen thrown at it. Its as though your not suppose to say anything, discuss, or debate and all forums are for now should be yes-men posts of AWESOME and little else.
Discussion is great! But, are we reading the same thread?Jaynz wrote:Filthy whoring.Master Renegade wrote:Michael Bay's movies are so horribly bad that I feel he should be executed for war crimes.Energon wrote:Michael Bay (spit) and Spielberg, NO NO NO NO NO NO
Soooo three one-liners hand-picked equals state-of-a-seven-page-thread? Oversell much?
