More In hand photos of Prime Wars Exclusive Punch / Counterpunch

Its a Jetpack? Awesome.I am totally removi g the thumbs though,

A jetpack with a built-in power slot for the soul of a god. Eat your heart out, James Bond, that is some absurd gadgetry for a spy.

Skritz wrote:A jetpack with a built-in power slot for the soul of a god. Eat your heart out, James Bond, that is some absurd gadgetry for a spy.

The question is, which prime works best with a jet pack...I'm thinking Vector Prime, as the jet pack becomes a time machine.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Skritz wrote:A jetpack with a built-in power slot for the soul of a god. Eat your heart out, James Bond, that is some absurd gadgetry for a spy.

The question is, which prime works best with a jet pack...I'm thinking Vector Prime, as the jet pack becomes a time machine.

I'd say Solus Prime, for a self-repairing/self-upgrading piece of equipment.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Skritz wrote:A jetpack with a built-in power slot for the soul of a god. Eat your heart out, James Bond, that is some absurd gadgetry for a spy.

The question is, which prime works best with a jet pack...I'm thinking Vector Prime, as the jet pack becomes a time machine.

I'd say Solus Prime, for a self-repairing/self-upgrading piece of equipment.

Hello? Liege Maximo. The prime of lies and deception

Randomhero wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Skritz wrote:A jetpack with a built-in power slot for the soul of a god. Eat your heart out, James Bond, that is some absurd gadgetry for a spy.

The question is, which prime works best with a jet pack...I'm thinking Vector Prime, as the jet pack becomes a time machine.

I'd say Solus Prime, for a self-repairing/self-upgrading piece of equipment.

Hello? Liege Maximo. The prime of lies and deception

Onyx Prime, so the poor guy doesn't have to fly in the cargo section of the plane in a crate any more.

The more I look at Punch/Counterpunch the more I think a potential repaint/retool would be Siege Drift/Deadlock.

Also, wouldn't the best fit be alchemist prime for a constant fuel supply for the jet pack?

It's pure bad-ass the more images we see...start shipping already...'nuff said!

Flashwave wrote:Its a Jetpack? Awesome.I am totally removi g the thumbs though,

...or shove a couple of weapons into them and beef it up a bit... or—OR—make a couple of wings to plug in there... and suddenly I'm excited about an accessory that I'd previously written off as being a complete and total waste.

Does anyone else but me see an easy remold of this figure into Pointblank, for the Siege line?

Lunarabbit wrote:

Flashwave wrote:Its a Jetpack? Awesome.I am totally removi g the thumbs though,

...or shove a couple of weapons into them and beef it up a bit... or—OR—make a couple of wings to plug in there... and suddenly I'm excited about an accessory that I'd previously written off as being a complete and total waste.

wings... now there's a thought. Gonna raid my accesory pile now. hmm.

I really think P/CP will either be a fanatic figure, or the worst toy ever made; no middle ground.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I really think P/CP will either be a fanatic figure, or the worst toy ever made; no middle ground.

From the pics I see no reason to think he will be horrible. Certainly not visually, at least. He's a top notch, perfectly on the nose update to the G1 figure.

The correct answer as to who should go into the jetpack is Nightbeat's head screaming for dear life's sake.

Sabrblade wrote:The correct answer as to who should go into the jetpack is Nightbeat's head screaming for dear life's sake.

I dun geddit? Is thT from an episode?

A great amalgamation of the JP/SB show plus modern engineering. Sept 15 can't come fast enough!

Flashwave wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The correct answer as to who should go into the jetpack is Nightbeat's head screaming for dear life's sake.

I dun geddit? Is thT from an episode?

Come on, have you seen TR Nightbeat's face sculpt?


Transformers Titans Return Nightbeat Gallery

(in case anyone wonders, that face is more than likely designed for Siren, who had his toy head design switched with Nightbeat's for the Marvel comics)


Seriously tho, Punch and Nightbeat do share a faint connection, via this Kre-O Microchanger:



Modeled after Punch, but named "Nightbeat" for the usual reason.

Bounti76 wrote:Does anyone else but me see an easy remold of this figure into Pointblank, for the Siege line?

Pointblank would work, but my first thought for a reuse was Tracks, the color and shape of the car mode is nearly identical, they would just have to paint the Punch side blue and give him a new head.

I'd rather the plastic and moving-parts of the little figure and jetpack had been allocated to giving him feet instead. But he looks good regardless. The double-agent gimmick is cool.

Courtesy of fellow Seibertron user, Cyberpath and Loopaza Mega Store's Facebook page, we now have a release date for Takara Tomy's Prime Wars punch/Counterpunch! He is being released as part of their Power of the Primes line and is due to come out in February. Thus is a great opportunity for those who missed out on getting him from Amazon, which he is exclusive to in the US and a few other areas.





Will this be your chance to grab this anticipated figure? Let us know in the comments and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews.

Okay, I posted about Novastar being available from BBTS, but you have to buy the assortment? Surprise, Amazon had Novastar for MSRP!! As of 7:30 AM CDT:

Novastar $16.99 In stock and available from Amazon, Prime Eligible

Yeah, WJ88, I now feel okay cancelling my BBTS preorder...

Agamemnon wrote:Okay, I posted about Novastar being available from BBTS, but you have to buy the assortment? Surprise, Amazon had Novastar for MSRP!! As of 7:30 AM CDT:

Novastar $16.99 In stock and available from Amazon, Prime Eligible

Yeah, WJ88, I now feel okay cancelling my BBTS preorder...

I am glad it all works well. I am curious to know the case contents, like if she is 2 or 3 per case.

Anyways, the debate for where Punch Conterpunch is settled and i am glad thats over. Takara is releasing him later this year, under the Potp banner, even though its being released at a similar time as the seige line. He is PP 44

Thanks for the lead, Ag!

I went ahead and nabbed her. Life has been a little too busy for the actual hit-the-streets hunt lately.

Cobotron wrote:Thanks for the lead, Ag!

I went ahead and nabbed her. Life has been a little too busy for the actual hit-the-streets hunt lately.

Thanks! Based on conversations in the Pre-order thread, I wonder if she is geo-locked to the US. Seibertronians outside of the US may not be able to view the page with the link I used.

weird how deluxe Punch is 1000 yen more than the deluxe Sideswipe, still super glad that there is an alternative way of getting hold of exclusives

blackeyedprime wrote:weird how deluxe Punch is 1000 yen more than the deluxe Sideswipe, still super glad that there is an alternative way of getting hold of exclusives

It might mean he comes with exta stuff, just as the Hasbro release does (which was also priced higher than the usual deluxe price point).

Agamemnon wrote:Okay, I posted about Novastar being available from BBTS, but you have to buy the assortment? Surprise, Amazon had Novastar for MSRP!! As of 7:30 AM CDT:

Novastar $16.99 In stock and available from Amazon, Prime Eligible

Yeah, WJ88, I now feel okay cancelling my BBTS preorder...

Woot! I just ordered mine! Thanks for the tip, Agamemnon!

Been monitoring Amazon like a hawk and finally paid off. Wave 3 terrorcons finally available for MSRP. Can finally complete Abominus. I hate paying MSRP but I can't wait for this any more. Only a few left so if you need it, jump on it.

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william-james88 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:weird how deluxe Punch is 1000 yen more than the deluxe Sideswipe, still super glad that there is an alternative way of getting hold of exclusives

It might mean he comes with exta stuff, just as the Hasbro release does (which was also priced higher than the usual deluxe price point).

As PotP is the same between Hasbro and Takara, the extra is most likely that clear Prima Prime.

Please let him have the extra Decoy Suit (so we know who Octopunch's co-tool is)...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:weird how deluxe Punch is 1000 yen more than the deluxe Sideswipe, still super glad that there is an alternative way of getting hold of exclusives

It might mean he comes with exta stuff, just as the Hasbro release does (which was also priced higher than the usual deluxe price point).

As PotP is the same between Hasbro and Takara, the extra is most likely that clear Prima Prime.

Please let him have the extra Decoy Suit (so we know who Octopunch's co-tool is)...

¥1000 more is pretty much the same in US $ as the other exclusives were here. Considering the cool packaging, the PM and the exclusiveness of the figures, the price seems about right on the head. I do think I prefer the TRU exclusive boxes like Arcee and Grotusque came in. The way they opened up was just too cool. I am however going to display the new exclusive boxes on a shelf like books with the numbers facing out for a little while.

Is there any chance the Tak P/CP will come with decoy armor? It's a real shame none of the others exclusives came with any.

carytheone wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:weird how deluxe Punch is 1000 yen more than the deluxe Sideswipe, still super glad that there is an alternative way of getting hold of exclusives

It might mean he comes with exta stuff, just as the Hasbro release does (which was also priced higher than the usual deluxe price point).

As PotP is the same between Hasbro and Takara, the extra is most likely that clear Prima Prime.

Please let him have the extra Decoy Suit (so we know who Octopunch's co-tool is)...

¥1000 more is pretty much the same in US $ as the other exclusives were here. Considering the cool packaging, the PM and the exclusiveness of the figures, the price seems about right on the head. I do think I prefer the TRU exclusive boxes like Arcee and Grotusque came in. The way they opened up was just too cool. I am however going to display the new exclusive boxes on a shelf like books with the numbers facing out for a little while.

Is there any chance the Tak P/CP will come with decoy armor? It's a real shame none of the others exclusives came with any.

It's not likely, all indications and trend is this is straight up the Hasbro relase in a Takara box

Just got Novastar myself! Which means now I gotta aggressively hunt Wreck Gar to finish a final combiner.

Speaking of which, I'm down to Punch, Wreck Gar, and Optimal Optimus for the line, and technically still Novastar until she arrives, much like how Punch is counted.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The correct answer as to who should go into the jetpack is Nightbeat's head screaming for dear life's sake.

I dun geddit? Is thT from an episode?

Come on, have you seen TR Nightbeat's face sculpt?


Transformers Titans Return Nightbeat Gallery

(in case anyone wonders, that face is more than likely designed for Siren, who had his toy head design switched with Nightbeat's for the Marvel comics)


Seriously tho, Punch and Nightbeat do share a faint connection, via this Kre-O Microchanger:



Modeled after Punch, but named "Nightbeat" for the usual reason.

Ah, okay. I forgot about that toy cause I skipped the Titan Masters, save for Overkill Ramhorn and Shuffler

Skritz wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I really think P/CP will either be a fanatic figure, or the worst toy ever made; no middle ground.

From the pics I see no reason to think he will be horrible. Certainly not visually, at least. He's a top notch, perfectly on the nose update to the G1 figure.

I'm just trying to get my hopes up. I knew years ago this figure could be comming when I sold my TFCC version.

It would be a little strange if Takara Tomy's P/CP was a straight release of the Hasbro version. The box has a big 3 on the side of it and you can see what would be for them Legends Repgnus and the clones on the box. And including the clear Prima would be odd since they aren't getting the Blast Off repaint and the Repugnus/Grotusque set doesn't come with Masters. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with new packaging and booted out Prima, using the more complex figure as justification for the higher price, it wouldn't be the first time.

Agamemnon wrote:Okay, I posted about Novastar being available from BBTS, but you have to buy the assortment? Surprise, Amazon had Novastar for MSRP!! As of 7:30 AM CDT:

I was able to get one, thanks! She's still up which is kinda amazing, you'd think she would have sold out by now. That's it for standard retail Deluxe for me, now where the hell are Prime Master waves 2 and 3?

Emerje

Many were worried that our first toy of Firestar would only end up in a few collector's hands thanks to being in the final wave, but Power of the Primes Novastar has already been seen on U.S. shelves and is currently available on Amazon.com, which have been reported on by several users throughout today! However, previous online sightings of this figure only showed up momentarily and today seems to be the first time that the figure's listing has been stable. This might be your best bet to get your hands on this late run short packed figure.

Novastar was previously found in a store in Edinboro, PA, according to Reddit user Guitarsnmotorcycles.





While this doesn't necessarily mean distribution will be good, it does raise the possibility to happen! This could be good news for those on the lookout for Novastar, as well as possibly lending credence to the idea that Hasbro's new four-wave system does result in (at least marginally) better distribution.

Share your thoughts on this development over at the Energon Pub Forums, and keep your eyes on Seibertron.com for more news and exciting sightings!

Emerje wrote:It would be a little strange if Takara Tomy's P/CP was a straight release of the Hasbro version. The box has a big 3 on the side of it and you can see what would be for them Legends Repgnus and the clones on the box. And including the clear Prima would be odd since they aren't getting the Blast Off repaint and the Repugnus/Grotusque set doesn't come with Masters. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with new packaging and booted out Prima, using the more complex figure as justification for the higher price, it wouldn't be the first time.

Who can really say. I just got the Takara Tribute Optimus Prime/Orion Pax set and literally the only difference is a lot of sticker cover up. There is a sticker on the back that covers all the English writing, it's huge and goes completely from one side to the other.

My guess though would be new box and missing the Prime Master and armor.

carytheone wrote:

Emerje wrote:It would be a little strange if Takara Tomy's P/CP was a straight release of the Hasbro version. The box has a big 3 on the side of it and you can see what would be for them Legends Repgnus and the clones on the box. And including the clear Prima would be odd since they aren't getting the Blast Off repaint and the Repugnus/Grotusque set doesn't come with Masters. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with new packaging and booted out Prima, using the more complex figure as justification for the higher price, it wouldn't be the first time.

Who can really say. I just got the Takara Tribute Optimus Prime/Orion Pax set and literally the only difference is a lot of sticker cover up. There is a sticker on the back that covers all the English writing, it's huge and goes completely from one side to the other.

My guess though would be new box and missing the Prime Master and armor.

Another difference is that the JP version doesn't have their product serial numbers etched into the figure.

yes ordered! woot!

carytheone wrote:Who can really say. I just got the Takara Tribute Optimus Prime/Orion Pax set and literally the only difference is a lot of sticker cover up. There is a sticker on the back that covers all the English writing, it's huge and goes completely from one side to the other.

My guess though would be new box and missing the Prime Master and armor.

There is a difference here. The Tribute sets were Amazon exclusives and remained as such in Japan. They were basically movie releases and the stickers were standard for those anyway. With P/CP they're going from Amazon exclusive for most of the world to mass retail in Japan where the Prime Wars Trilogy isn't a thing. New package does make more sense, but I think they'll keep the armor. I honestly thought he'd be an LG-EX release that way they could slip him into the comics and not have to worry about him not being a limb or Headmaster.

Emerje

Seibertron wrote:While this doesn't necessarily mean distribution will be good, it does raise the possibility to happen! This could be good news for those on the lookout for Novastar, as well as possibly lending credence to the idea that Hasbro's new four-wave system does result in (at least marginally) better distribution.

I get that Hasbro is trying to get rid of the "end of line syndrome" by making the final wave or assortment of a line mostly of repacks from earlier so there is a better chance that every unique character gets on the shelves before stores stop ordering more product. However, how does putting in a sole new figure in the last wave help that figure get better distribution at all? It's still creating scarcity because of a hugely flawed distribution system, just for a smaller selection of figures now. Why not completely exclude new releases from the final assortments? This business with Firestar and, before her, Slugslinger, seems kind of half-assed and self-defeating.

i had one preordered at ages three and up then i saw this and ordered it with free shipping a lot less money and a lot sooner to ship

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:While this doesn't necessarily mean distribution will be good, it does raise the possibility to happen! This could be good news for those on the lookout for Novastar, as well as possibly lending credence to the idea that Hasbro's new four-wave system does result in (at least marginally) better distribution.

I get that Hasbro is trying to get rid of the "end of line syndrome" by making the final wave or assortment of a line mostly of repacks from earlier so there is a better chance that every unique character gets on the shelves before stores stop ordering more product. However, how does putting in a sole new figure in the last wave help that figure get better distribution at all? It's still creating scarcity because of a hugely flawed distribution system, just for a smaller selection of figures now. Why not completely exclude new releases from the final assortments? This business with Firestar and, before her, Slugslinger, seems kind of half-assed and self-defeating.

Because there has to be some kind of incentive for Retailers to want to buy the case. Granted, Walmart and the like probably don’t care. But the smaller guys like BBTS and Entertainment Earth that pay attention to what’s in the box might be more willing to skip a case of entirely repacks.

Nice! And here I thought I was going to have trouble finding her, or have to pay a premium. This is a bit of a relief. Now I’m just missing the last three Terrorcons...

Rodimus Prime wrote:Am I the only one getting lolz from the fact that G1 Abby's head is bigger than PotP Abby's head?

heh

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:While this doesn't necessarily mean distribution will be good, it does raise the possibility to happen! This could be good news for those on the lookout for Novastar, as well as possibly lending credence to the idea that Hasbro's new four-wave system does result in (at least marginally) better distribution.

I get that Hasbro is trying to get rid of the "end of line syndrome" by making the final wave or assortment of a line mostly of repacks from earlier so there is a better chance that every unique character gets on the shelves before stores stop ordering more product. However, how does putting in a sole new figure in the last wave help that figure get better distribution at all? It's still creating scarcity because of a hugely flawed distribution system, just for a smaller selection of figures now. Why not completely exclude new releases from the final assortments? This business with Firestar and, before her, Slugslinger, seems kind of half-assed and self-defeating.

I think there is some confusion as to the strategies being used to fix the end of line syndrome.

Its not making the final wave mostly repacks that is being referred to, its the strategy of having only 4. Regardless of the final wave beign repacks or all new figures, its the fact that there are 4 waves total and not 6 that really helps us here. When a line lasts longer than a year (so six waves), you lose the incentive of retailers ordering the last wave for 2 reasons:

1. they already have a bunch of stock from the same line they still have to sell
2. at 6 waves, the line isnt new anymore and retailers live off the idea that new stuff sells better (and that media backed stuff sells more, but thats another story)

So by reducing it to a yearly thing, retailers can order all 4 waves, not dreading the idea of beign stuck with last year's line still on the shelves and not selling, plus they are less likely to have overstock from previous wave build up.

So I am pretty sure thats what Seibertron was referring to with the strategy currently being used to help the distriution issues they are reading about.

I got Firestar and Inferno. The couple is back together

Of course, I could go really freaky and get Inferno with four Firestars for the ultimate Harem combiner.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:While this doesn't necessarily mean distribution will be good, it does raise the possibility to happen! This could be good news for those on the lookout for Novastar, as well as possibly lending credence to the idea that Hasbro's new four-wave system does result in (at least marginally) better distribution.

I get that Hasbro is trying to get rid of the "end of line syndrome" by making the final wave or assortment of a line mostly of repacks from earlier so there is a better chance that every unique character gets on the shelves before stores stop ordering more product. However, how does putting in a sole new figure in the last wave help that figure get better distribution at all? It's still creating scarcity because of a hugely flawed distribution system, just for a smaller selection of figures now. Why not completely exclude new releases from the final assortments? This business with Firestar and, before her, Slugslinger, seems kind of half-assed and self-defeating.

I think there is some confusion as to the strategies being used to fix the end of line syndrome.

Its not making the final wave mostly repacks that is being referred to, its the strategy of having only 4. Regardless of the final wave beign repacks or all new figures, its the fact that there are 4 waves total and not 6 that really helps us here. When a line lasts longer than a year (so six waves), you lose the incentive of retailers ordering the last wave for 2 reasons:

1. they already have a bunch of stock from the same line they still have to sell
2. at 6 waves, the line isnt new anymore and retailers live off the idea that new stuff sells better (and that media backed stuff sells more, but thats another story)

So by reducing it to a yearly thing, retailers can order all 4 waves, not dreading the idea of beign stuck with last year's line still on the shelves and not selling, plus they are less likely to have overstock from previous wave build up.

So I am pretty sure thats what Seibertron was referring to with the strategy currently being used to help the distriution issues they are reading about.

All I know is that it's September and I've barely seen anything from Wave 2 in any of the local stores. I've ordered all the figures I want from Waves 3 and 4 (and part of Wave 2) online; we're far enough past the halfway point of the year that, if I haven't seen even half of what's supposed to be in stores this year, I figure all bets are off.

Glarryg

I'm pleasantly surprised Novastar was so easy to obtain on Amazon.com. The Ideal thing Hasbro should have done was make wave 4 cases 4x Novastar, 2x Moonracer and 2xBlackwing (the only ones from wave 2 that were singles).

But instead it looks like it's 2x Novastar, 2x Blackwing, and - 2x Rippersnapper and Slag (which were already prominently featured in waves 1 & 2). But oh well, such is life. I did manage to see last years TR Slugslinger in stores at least, which was better than wave 5 that didn't appear barely at all, and certainly nowhere near me. We still received no official explanation from Hasbro as to what happened. Why they were never available on HTS etc... I have a theory because they did have placeholders on TRU.com for a short time, but then went away. My guess is that some really poor decision was made to *mothball* (for lack of better term) wave 5 toys bound for TRU, and just push ahead with PotP. Which is why we are seeing these show up at Ollie's now, for those fortunate enough to live near one.

But anyway, I digress. one other thing. I'm starting to visit Walgreen's again, when I have a chance, casually before or after work on my commute. PotP Wreck-Gar's I've noticed are starting to show up on eBay, with a couple are US sellers, so while no official sighting has been reported yet, I have a feeling he may be out there soon, if not already.

o.supreme wrote:one other thing. I'm starting to visit Walgreen's again, when I have a chance, casually before or after work on my commute. PotP Wreck-Gar's I've noticed are starting to show up on eBay, with a couple are US sellers, so while no official sighting has been reported yet, I have a feeling he may be out there soon, if not already.

I don't think he's out in the US yet. Mainly because the listing is currently gone from Walgreen's site. If I remember correctly from Brainstorm and the clones, we had the initial Listing, then it got pulled, then it reappeared, and then finally they were found in the US.

I suspect the ebay sellers you see likely got their figures from sources other than Walgreens.