MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March

MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March

Friday, January 16th, 2015 4:38am CST

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With a new look, MP-23 Exhaust also has a delay. Thanks to site sponsor TFSource, MP-23 Exhaust has been delayed until March. Originally the figure was supposed to release at the end of February. Although release delays are nothing new to Masterpiece figures, it might be advantageous and make it easier to ship with MP-24 Star Saber to save on shipping costs. You can view the TFSource MP-23 Exhaust listing here and here with coin.

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Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639737)
Posted by RhA on January 16th, 2015 @ 4:44am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:All that fuss over a tiny triangle shaped blank space over the green rectangle. Oh, corpyrights, you so cray cray.

Anyway, I would get Wheeljack over him anytimes.

Thankfully, we can get both. :michaelbay:
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639742)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 16th, 2015 @ 5:32am CST
Wolfguard wrote:
These new images show a slightly tweaked deco due to legal issues raised by Philip Morris which prevented the figure from being marketed or sold in the U.S. The initial deco used marks that are trademarked by Philip Morris for their Marlboro cigarettes brand. The green bits on the hood are now full rectangles while the red pattern on the hood has also been altered.

Well, well, well, looks like the thing I said could be done - what people told me wouldn't be done - just got done. Imagine that...

>:oP

Jup, totally did not expect that. Still baffled that they did, looks like westerners have become a large enough part of their target market to care about stuff like that.

This could be potentially bad for Megatron now that I think about it...
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639764)
Posted by megatronus on January 16th, 2015 @ 7:35am CST
fenrir72 wrote:So if Rieje/Mirage gets released, Tomy/Takara will now know what NOT to do then unless Gitanes is okay with their Logo posted on an MP figure/vehicle.

:-?

Does a French company have to deal with the same regulations Phillip Morris is subject to?
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639765)
Posted by sol magnus on January 16th, 2015 @ 7:39am CST
megatronus wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:So if Rieje/Mirage gets released, Tomy/Takara will now know what NOT to do then unless Gitanes is okay with their Logo posted on an MP figure/vehicle.

:-?

Does a French company have to deal with the same regulations Phillip Morris is subject to?

I don't see a problem. The toy had "Citanes", anyway. Why wouldn't they just go with that? They need the manufacturer's permission to replicate the car, but not necessarily the sponsor.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639773)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 16th, 2015 @ 8:10am CST
Wolfguard wrote:
These new images show a slightly tweaked deco due to legal issues raised by Philip Morris which prevented the figure from being marketed or sold in the U.S. The initial deco used marks that are trademarked by Philip Morris for their Marlboro cigarettes brand. The green bits on the hood are now full rectangles while the red pattern on the hood has also been altered.

Well, well, well, looks like the thing I said could be done - what people told me wouldn't be done - just got done. Imagine that...

>:oP


Last I remember, you were talking about changing colors, which they did not. They merely tweaked the pattern. >:oP

Good to see TakaraTomy found a way around it.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639783)
Posted by megatronus on January 16th, 2015 @ 8:30am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Wolfguard wrote:
These new images show a slightly tweaked deco due to legal issues raised by Philip Morris which prevented the figure from being marketed or sold in the U.S. The initial deco used marks that are trademarked by Philip Morris for their Marlboro cigarettes brand. The green bits on the hood are now full rectangles while the red pattern on the hood has also been altered.

Well, well, well, looks like the thing I said could be done - what people told me wouldn't be done - just got done. Imagine that...

>:oP


Last I remember, you were talking about changing colors, which they did not. They merely tweaked the pattern. >:oP

Good to see TakaraTomy found a way around it.

I'm glad too (clearly). Wish they could have kept the red on the hood the same - it looked so much more elegant in the unadulterated deco. Oh well. Again, crossing my fingers for stickers or some other fix to that issue (though getting into those hood grooves might be hard)...

I wonder how the Japanese feel about having the deco tweaked. I'd be annoyed if I were them. Question is: do we think this would have been cancelled if it were unavailable to American collectors? Or, do we think Takara would have been liable had these things found their way to the US somehow?
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639789)
Posted by sol magnus on January 16th, 2015 @ 8:44am CST
megatronus wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Wolfguard wrote:
These new images show a slightly tweaked deco due to legal issues raised by Philip Morris which prevented the figure from being marketed or sold in the U.S. The initial deco used marks that are trademarked by Philip Morris for their Marlboro cigarettes brand. The green bits on the hood are now full rectangles while the red pattern on the hood has also been altered.

Well, well, well, looks like the thing I said could be done - what people told me wouldn't be done - just got done. Imagine that...

>:oP


Last I remember, you were talking about changing colors, which they did not. They merely tweaked the pattern. >:oP

Good to see TakaraTomy found a way around it.

I'm glad too (clearly). Wish they could have kept the red on the hood the same - it looked so much more elegant in the unadulterated deco. Oh well. Again, crossing my fingers for stickers or some other fix to that issue (though getting into those hood grooves might be hard)...

I wonder how the Japanese feel about having the deco tweaked. I'd be annoyed if I were them. Question is: do we think this would have been cancelled if it were unavailable to American collectors? Or, do we think Takara would have been liable had these things found their way to the US somehow?

I think they would be liable, somehow. Also, there is a chance Hasbro got involved since Transformers technically belongs to them, they are one of the most socially responsible companies in the world and all that. It is certainly a complicated legal issue.

I was just wondering - Perhaps the announcements of further Masterpiece figures has something to do with the delay of this figure? I mean, they would have had to redesign the paint application, retool the painting machines, change the art and perhaps reprint the boxes...etc. etc. They might have held up production on other things in order to make this change...
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639800)
Posted by Convoy on January 16th, 2015 @ 9:28am CST
The fact that both the green and red chevron designs didn't actually angle to a point should have been enough to avoid this sort of thing in the first place. I can't fault TT for not wanting to waste the time or, more importantly, the money in a court case against Big Tobacco. The whole issue reminds me of when Apple 'invented' the rounded rectangle.
SMH
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639819)
Posted by Desslok2201 on January 16th, 2015 @ 10:10am CST
I'm very happy about this, as I was dreading having to pay $150 to some shady dude in Hong Kong....
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639830)
Posted by fenrir72 on January 16th, 2015 @ 10:45am CST
More time for us to save.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639842)
Posted by Diem on January 16th, 2015 @ 11:33am CST
Well it's a hit to authenticity (and therefore also a hit to the appeal of this figure, since the bona-fide Lancia deco was one of the major things going for it). Given that Malboor was never really a TF "character" anyway he's pretty much lost his only claim to fame here. I'll still get it because I'm a sucker for original official TF characters and I'm sure Reprolabels will do a thing, but this is a blow.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639878)
Posted by Emerje on January 16th, 2015 @ 1:38pm CST
Dead Metal wrote:Jup, totally did not expect that. Still baffled that they did, looks like westerners have become a large enough part of their target market to care about stuff like that.


I'm sure they noticed when all of the major Japanese exporters like HobbyLink Japan, Hobby Search, and AmiAmi complained about having to delist him from their English stores. This didn't really effect me since the store I ordered from was small enough to fly under PM's radar and my order stayed active.

This could be potentially bad for Megatron now that I think about it...


Not likely. An orange stopper will still be enough to pass US toy gun safety standards. Exhaust was an entirely different type of legal issue. Big government lawyers aren't going to care nearly as much as big corporate lawyers.

Emerje
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639884)
Posted by megatronus on January 16th, 2015 @ 1:50pm CST
Diem wrote:Well it's a hit to authenticity (and therefore also a hit to the appeal of this figure, since the bona-fide Lancia deco was one of the major things going for it). Given that Malboor was never really a TF "character" anyway he's pretty much lost his only claim to fame here. I'll still get it because I'm a sucker for original official TF characters and I'm sure Reprolabels will do a thing, but this is a blow.

I feel ya. The authenticity factor was more or less the appeal of this character...
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639894)
Posted by Robogeek1973 on January 16th, 2015 @ 2:42pm CST
I actually prefer the new look to be honest.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639939)
Posted by ScottyP on January 16th, 2015 @ 5:22pm CST
Diem wrote:I'm sure Reprolabels will do a thing, but this is a blow.

Wouldn't count on that. Could be wrong, but pretty sure they're against ever doing the Marlboro thing based on some moral standard. Again, I could be wrong about this.


megatronus wrote:Question is: do we think this would have been cancelled if it were unavailable to American collectors? Or, do we think Takara would have been liable had these things found their way to the US somehow?

My guess would be that it was a way to placate retailers that place large orders that were going to have trouble moving that stock without import purchases. Think TRU since they usually do Australian distribution on these, and to a much lesser extent places like HLJ. Then again, the MSA is pretty draconian, so could have also had to do with TRU being liable even somewhere like Japan since they're US based. To keep on my disclaimer train, just want to state again that this is also all pure speculation ;)
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639967)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on January 16th, 2015 @ 6:38pm CST
ScottyP wrote:
Diem wrote:I'm sure Reprolabels will do a thing, but this is a blow.

Wouldn't count on that. Could be wrong, but pretty sure they're against ever doing the Marlboro thing based on some moral standard. Again, I could be wrong about this.


Scotty is exactly right about this. They wont touch it with a 10 foot pole. The M word is a dirty word as far as they are concerned.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1639971)
Posted by fenrir72 on January 16th, 2015 @ 6:45pm CST
LOST Cybertronian wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Diem wrote:I'm sure Reprolabels will do a thing, but this is a blow.

Wouldn't count on that. Could be wrong, but pretty sure they're against ever doing the Marlboro thing based on some moral standard. Again, I could be wrong about this.


Scotty is exactly right about this. They wont touch it with a 10 foot pole. The M word is a dirty word as far as they are concerned.



This set is kind of expensive. But it includes both Wheeljack's and Exhaust's. It's also official.

Image
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1640003)
Posted by SkyWarpt on January 16th, 2015 @ 7:38pm CST
Ironically, I know the person that brought the death to Joe Camel. She was a little girl at the time that thought the Camel lighter was a toy...so she played with it. She also just so happened to be wearing a Chuck-E-Cheese tshirt that had a highly flammable prit on it. She is scarred to this day as an adult.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1640111)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 17th, 2015 @ 4:47am CST
LOST Cybertronian wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Diem wrote:I'm sure Reprolabels will do a thing, but this is a blow.

Wouldn't count on that. Could be wrong, but pretty sure they're against ever doing the Marlboro thing based on some moral standard. Again, I could be wrong about this.


Scotty is exactly right about this. They wont touch it with a 10 foot pole. The M word is a dirty word as far as they are concerned.

Not just Malboro though. I once contacted them if they would do a sticker set for Generations Wheeljack inspired by the Malboro deco, but instead use "Kup's Cygars" as branding. They refused and said they want absolutely nothing to do with anything similar to Malboro Wheeljack.
Re: MP-23 Exhaust Release Delayed Until March (1640200)
Posted by Blackstreak on January 17th, 2015 @ 11:55am CST
I'm sure Reprolabels.com will produce a set of decals to restore the original deco.

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