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Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It

Transformers News: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It

Monday, March 21st, 2022 8:50PM CDT

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TFcon has become the hit North American Transformers convention since Botcon ceased to function in 2016, and has produced some big name visitors and some occasional fun official news as well.

Recently, TFcon held its springtime convention, and during that convention F.J. DeSanto, who was the showrunner for the recent War for Cybertron Series on Netflix offered up some new information. He put forth that they did have a series based on Transformers Legacy lined up, and the show was offered to Netflix, but ultimately the streaming service declined to pick it up.

This is an interesting bit of news for a couple reasons. For on thing, given that both War for Cybertron and its predecessor Prime Wars trilogy received cartoons, it was speculated that we might see a series based on Legacy as well. We can at least say that there was one in the design stages, but one that was ultimately put down before it could go anywhere. This might also be a sign of general streaming service disinterest in "mature" transformers content, as both War for Cybertron and the Prime Wars series were received with lukewarm feeling on average.

It is also interesting as it shows that we might have had a Transformers cartoon Multiverse story, which would have coincided with the general Hollywood theme of Multiverses as the hit topic of stories right now. We have had several multiversal stories in Transformers, but they have mostly been limited to comic arcs that tend to be more limited in audience appeal or accessibility.

Either way, for now, the future of Transformers cartoons appears to be focused on Botbots and Earthspark.

Let us know what you think of this news, and whether this was a disappointing choice by Netflix, or if the decision was a mercy killing.

This news was originally broken to us by @MikeSibertRadio on Twitter, who was present for the DeSanto interview at TFcon.
Credit(s): @MikeSibertRadio on Twitter

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Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129430)
Posted by PrymeStriker on March 21st, 2022 @ 8:55pm CDT
That is hilarious.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129431)
Posted by hiway7 on March 21st, 2022 @ 8:57pm CDT
GOOD. Netflix Transformers looked amazing but the stories were uninspired and boring.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129434)
Posted by kurthy on March 21st, 2022 @ 9:14pm CDT
I think that's an incredible generous take for the train wrecks that were Prime Wars and WFC. Maybe Netflix decided that the series would again be substandard and that doesn't help Netflix. Those series weren't serious or adult oriented, they were juvenile and laughable. From menasor's voice acting to spirit plane sky lynx.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129435)
Posted by o.supreme on March 21st, 2022 @ 9:18pm CDT
The pairing was bad to begin with. Rooster Teeth can't write a good story to save it's life. Netflix is just doing what Netflix does. Put out garbage content, and then cancel at the first sign of trouble. The only difference is that unlike many of their other projects, WFC trilogy didn't cost very much.

I think it could have been much better, with different writers, and actually on a network of some kind, NOT Netflix.

Now for the next 2 years at least, there will be no new TF content to enjoy. I could watch the original series or BW for the Hundredth time. Or Car Robots or Prime for the dozenth time. But there are plenty of other things to keep me going.

Other than a couple of toys. 2022-23 seem to be a very TF light year.

The most exciting bit of animated news is that Discotek will be releasing Dorvack the complete series as SD on BRD. I can't wait to see OG Whirl and Roadbuster in animated form ;)
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129436)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on March 21st, 2022 @ 9:19pm CDT
1. I'm half-surprised the cancellation didn't happen to Kingdom, Netflix have a bad habit of dropping things before they run their course it feels like.
2a. Wait, the Prime Wars machinima were on Netflix? Geez.
2b. The Prime Wars machinima being received lukewarm isn't exactly a surprise, they weren't very good from what I understand. Combiner Wars did a worse job hawking combiners than freaking Energon (let alone the toyline's actual TV ads), Titans Return was just kinda there, and Power of the Primes A. didn't do much to unify and hype the line's gimmicks beyond "moar combiners, B. used models of 3P toys instead of what it was supposed to hawk in some cases, and C. Drowned itself in negativity like the worse parts of the 2000s Battlestar Galactica.

3. The WFC trilogy was... okay, based on seeing SIEGE and reading summaries. Certainly has good character bits. But it could have been better. Rooster Teeth made the mistake of writing with the assumption most viewers would be fans already immersed in the lore, so for people who aren't in the know the series doesn't establish certain key things very well. For all that people call the G1 cartoon shallow, it does a good job of establishing its key ideological conflict in the pilot miniseries - the Decepticons are military imperialists, whereas the Autobots are workers who've had to become soldiers because they oppose the Decepticons' imperialism. It also might have been nice to see Rooster Teeth work together with IDW to build a collaborative storyline, instead of yet more fragmented G1 continuities that don't really work with each other.

I'd still like to see a series, cartoon or comic, that does what the Wings Universe did (but to a broader extent and where possible better): Flesh out the G1 cartoon's universe (I'd love to see stories of cartoon-continuity Megatron's early days, see how he grows into the role he was built for) and unify bits of lore that snag on each other (either by tweaking them or explaining how they work together). As well as providing: an actual depiction of the Protectobots' belatedly-established origins, retellings of Season 1 stories (or at least of snapshots of them) that insert the "Here all along" Season 2 characters into those events, a re-do of B.O.T. as something that doesn't fail (or else an official statement from Hasbro that that episode does not count and is retroactively 100% on the4 cutting room floor)...
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129438)
Posted by kurthy on March 21st, 2022 @ 9:23pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Now for the next 2 years at least, there will be no new TF content to enjoy. I could watch the original series or BW for the Hundredth time. Or Car Robots or Prime for the dozenth time. But there are plenty of other things to keep me going.


You could always give the TF show that comes out on March 25 a chance. It looks fun and lighthearted and will probably have better VA and writing than either prime wars or WFC.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129439)
Posted by o.supreme on March 21st, 2022 @ 9:25pm CDT
I'm not saying it's going to be bad. It's just not for me.
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Posted by Randomhero on March 21st, 2022 @ 9:59pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:The pairing was bad to begin with. Rooster Teeth can't write a good story to save it's life. Netflix is just doing what Netflix does. Put out garbage content, and then cancel at the first sign of trouble. The only difference is that unlike many of their other projects, WFC trilogy didn't cost very much.

I think it could have been much better, with different writers, and actually on a network of some kind, NOT Netflix.

Now for the next 2 years at least, there will be no new TF content to enjoy. I could watch the original series or BW for the Hundredth time. Or Car Robots or Prime for the dozenth time. But there are plenty of other things to keep me going.

Other than a couple of toys. 2022-23 seem to be a very TF light year.

The most exciting bit of animated news is that Discotek will be releasing Dorvack the complete series as SD on BRD. I can't wait to see OG Whirl and Roadbuster in animated form ;)


You really don’t know anything.

Rooster teeth writers didn’t write WFC. They produced it. It was written by previous transformers writers with the bulk of kingdom being written by cyberverse writers. Netflix doesn’t typically cancel shows when they falter(They don’t reveal numbers unless it’s a trending hit and that’s to gloat it’s success), they have fully admitted they only see most of their original shows going for 2-3 seasons. I’m saying most by the way. There’s a few exceptions but transformers isn’t worth comparing to orange is the new black or stranger things.

And I’m sure you’ll still watch all the new shows if only to complain about them on forums.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129454)
Posted by Nuclearxpotato on March 21st, 2022 @ 11:29pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. I'm half-surprised the cancellation didn't happen to Kingdom, Netflix have a bad habit of dropping things before they run their course it feels like.

I'd reckon the contracts were written in such a way that they couldn't cancel it mid-way through. Also note "Offered"... Netflix declined renewal instead of cancelling it when the numbers fell.
Netflix received that offer, looked back at the previous four years and didn't want another embarrassing Transformers show under their belt (third time's the charm I guess).
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Posted by lovrboi on March 21st, 2022 @ 11:37pm CDT
In my view, Hasbro shortsightedly put their name on the cheapest toy commercial possible with the WFC trilogy. Hasbro could learn from Marvel. Marvel would never put their name on something at the level of WFC. Marvel has done an excellent job of investing in their IP, and, as a result, people trust a Marvel product will hit a certain level of quality. By pinching pennies, Hasbro only damages the Transformers brand.

The pandemic has shifted entertainment to streaming, and the quality has gone up (e.g. WandaVision, The Mandalorian). Hasbro needs to compare reasonably with the competition if they want to make a toy commercial.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129456)
Posted by o.supreme on March 21st, 2022 @ 11:38pm CDT
WFC was just one in a long long list. Netflix has had far worse series since, and will keep making terrible decisions, then cancel them after the fact
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129471)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 22nd, 2022 @ 4:41am CDT
It all comes down to money. If Netflix didn't had enough viewership for that series, of course they'll pull the plug.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129472)
Posted by Randomhero on March 22nd, 2022 @ 6:06am CDT
mikeb wrote:In my view, Hasbro shortsightedly put their name on the cheapest toy commercial possible with the WFC trilogy. Hasbro could learn from Marvel. Marvel would never put their name on something at the level of WFC. Marvel has done an excellent job of investing in their IP, and, as a result, people trust a Marvel product will hit a certain level of quality. By pinching pennies, Hasbro only damages the Transformers brand.

The pandemic has shifted entertainment to streaming, and the quality has gone up (e.g. WandaVision, The Mandalorian). Hasbro needs to compare reasonably with the competition if they want to make a toy commercial.


Hasbro makes both marvel and transformers. They’re not really competing dude. They know who buys what as well as there people who get both and don’t compare the MCUs fiction to transformers. They’re apples and oranges
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Posted by Big Grim on March 22nd, 2022 @ 6:41am CDT
The WfC trilogy wasn't lukewarmly received because they were mature. It's because they were garbage. The writers couldn't actually write for peanuts and it showed all too clearly.

~ Grim
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129476)
Posted by Randomhero on March 22nd, 2022 @ 6:47am CDT
Big Grim wrote:The WfC trilogy wasn't lukewarmly received because they were mature. It's because they were garbage. The writers couldn't actually write for peanuts and it showed all too clearly.

~ Grim


Wasn’t well received…siege has a 96% on rotten tomatoes, Earthrise has an 86% and kingdom has an 83%.

Wasn’t well received by grown adults who play with toys who think their fan fiction is better and spend most of their time on message boards complaining about everything. Know who takes those reviews serious? NOBODY! But the companies do take the professional reviewers serious.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129478)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 22nd, 2022 @ 7:06am CDT
Randomhero wrote:
mikeb wrote:In my view, Hasbro shortsightedly put their name on the cheapest toy commercial possible with the WFC trilogy. Hasbro could learn from Marvel. Marvel would never put their name on something at the level of WFC. Marvel has done an excellent job of investing in their IP, and, as a result, people trust a Marvel product will hit a certain level of quality. By pinching pennies, Hasbro only damages the Transformers brand.

The pandemic has shifted entertainment to streaming, and the quality has gone up (e.g. WandaVision, The Mandalorian). Hasbro needs to compare reasonably with the competition if they want to make a toy commercial.


Hasbro makes both marvel and transformers. They’re not really competing dude. They know who buys what as well as there people who get both and don’t compare the MCUs fiction to transformers. They’re apples and oranges

I think he was mainly referring to the TV/Movie side of Marvel rather then toy side, after all more people watch Marvel tv then buy Marvel toys. You're end assumption is right though, they are apples and oranges really.
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Posted by Sideshow Sideswipe on March 22nd, 2022 @ 7:58am CDT
I haven't posted on here in YEARS. I came on here to say that the NETFLIX transformers shows were terrible! I'm surprised kingdom ever got made the way the first two were so slow and painfully devoid of any plot or humor or excitement. I would rather watch a stop motion toy commercial than subject myself to more than a few minutes of WFC trilogy. SO BORING!!

This has nothing to do with Netflix not wanting mature transformers content the WFC shows were just bad.
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Posted by Immortal Starscream on March 22nd, 2022 @ 8:29am CDT
I am honestly not surprised. Siege and Kingdom were ...ok... shows. But they weren't good. and the rest were just horrible. (except the cw-pw megatron, he was gold) Hell, even the idw comic prequal stories were worse then bad, they were boring.

I know theres a lot of blame put on rooster teeth, and with VERY good reason, however I think there's a large sum of blame to be levied on hasbro themselves and the constraints they put on the story.

writing was bad, voice direction was terrible, some characters were a complete waste (looking at you skylynx). In the end, there's barely enough there to justify a webtoon, let alone a full blown series.
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Posted by Big Grim on March 22nd, 2022 @ 9:44am CDT
Randomhero wrote:Wasn’t well received by grown adults who play with toys who think their fan fiction is better and spend most of their time on message boards complaining about everything.

Yes, taking this tone is entirely acceptable.

I collect the odd Transformer. I don't write fan fiction. I DO write. About various things. Not about Transformers though. I don't complain about everything. In fact, I rarely "complain". I praise what I enjoy and will offer my opinion on something that I believe is terrible. The Netflix shows were terrible. They were poorly written. That's my opinion. It's not insulting anyone

Please take your incredibly broad insult and chuck it. It's unnecessary. Cheers.

~ Grim
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129510)
Posted by Sabrblade on March 22nd, 2022 @ 11:43am CDT
Honestly, Siege was so bad that it amazes me just how much better a fanmade stop motion production can capture all the feels and emotions of the story concept of Siege so much better than Siege tried and failed to do.

What stop motion? why, "Target: Alpha Trion", of course:



Give it a watch. It is amazing. It's got Garry Chalk, Peter Spellos, and a Megatron who sounds like an impression of Tim Curry!
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Posted by Randomhero on March 22nd, 2022 @ 11:46am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Honestly, Siege was so bad that it amazes me just how much better a fanmade stop motion production can capture all the feels and emotions of the story concept of Siege so much better than Siege tried and failed to do.

What stop motion? why, "Target: Alpha Trion", of course:



Give it a watch. It is amazing. It's got Garry Chalk, Peter Spellos, and a Megatron who sounds like an impression of Tim Curry!


Nah. I’m not giving that a view nor allowing YouTube to throw that in an algorithm to suggest more of that fan wank
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129513)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on March 22nd, 2022 @ 2:40pm CDT
Mercy Killing based on the last two trilogies that were put out.
Good animation wit Bad writing hurts. Bring back the writers for Beast Wars, Prime or Animated and maybe we could get something good again.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129530)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on March 22nd, 2022 @ 6:09pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:
Big Grim wrote:The WfC trilogy wasn't lukewarmly received because they were mature. It's because they were garbage. The writers couldn't actually write for peanuts and it showed all too clearly.

~ Grim


Wasn’t well received…siege has a 96% on rotten tomatoes, Earthrise has an 86% and kingdom has an 83%.

Wasn’t well received by grown adults who play with toys who think their fan fiction is better and spend most of their time on message boards complaining about everything. Know who takes those reviews serious? NOBODY! But the companies do take the professional reviewers serious.


Bingo. The only people I’ve seen trashing the War For Cybertron show are people on forums like this who are to be frank, probably too beholden to the original source material to give a new interpretation a decent shake.

Netflix deciding to pass on Legacy is a sign that the viewership wasn’t there and little else. They care about what brings them new subscribers and views and obviously the War For Cybertron Trilogy didn’t move the needle to their satisfaction.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 22nd, 2022 @ 6:23pm CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Netflix deciding to pass on Legacy is a sign that the viewership wasn’t there and little else. They care about what brings them new subscribers and views and obviously the War For Cybertron Trilogy didn’t move the needle to their satisfaction.


Exactly.
Whenever a show is "good", "bad", "outrageous", or "amazing" is of no importance.
Money talk.

Great show with little views get cancelled all the time while horrible show but with high view counts get renewed seasons after seasons. It's always viewership.

Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?
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Posted by MaximalNui on March 22nd, 2022 @ 6:51pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. I'm half-surprised the cancellation didn't happen to Kingdom, Netflix have a bad habit of dropping things before they run their course it feels like.

As someone who was looking forward to season 2 of Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, I can relate... :-x

As for these news, I'm...rather ambivalent. On the one hand, I'd like to have seen a better, mature Transformers series just to show it can be done outside of comics (Prime Wars was a trash fire that improved too slowly too late, not helped by the exaggerated hype and expectations - "Game Of Thrones of animation", seriously? - and WfC, while not exactly bad - at least from what I've seen, I haven't had the chance to watch Kingdom yet - had the potential to be so much better, especially if instead of reusing already tried story threads like the search for the Allspark they followed on some of the more original plot points, like a Bumblebee with a Matrix-analogue to grow alongside Prime or a Quintesson who helped the Transformers rebel against his enslaving brethren), and I'd like to see the Transformers multiverse explored for a wider audience. On the other hand, unless there's some changes in the staff and/or story directions I really don't trust them with another "mature" storyline, and the less time I have to spend watching Bulkhound pretend to be Prime Bulkhead the better, and yes I'm still mad about that! :BOOM:
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Posted by ZeroWolf on March 22nd, 2022 @ 7:45pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Netflix deciding to pass on Legacy is a sign that the viewership wasn’t there and little else. They care about what brings them new subscribers and views and obviously the War For Cybertron Trilogy didn’t move the needle to their satisfaction.


Exactly.
Whenever a show is "good", "bad", "outrageous", or "amazing" is of no importance.
Money talk.

Great show with little views get cancelled all the time while horrible show but with high view counts get renewed seasons after seasons. It's always viewership.

Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?

Actually I think it may of had more to do with Hasbro launching their own channel (hasbro made Animated with Cartoon Network, who were about to become a rival)
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Posted by Sabrblade on March 22nd, 2022 @ 7:52pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?
That isn't even close to true. Season 3 was the one that got rid of all the human villains. Even Sari got shafted by barely appearing in that season. Season 4 didn't happen because Hasbro simply didn't want to continue it, because they instead wanted to promote their new partnership with Discovery in creating The Hub Network (which was to be a rival to Cartoon Network) and promote their new Aligned continuity with an all new cartoon made closer in tone to the movies to serve as the centerpiece for this new aligned vision: Transformers: Prime.

In other words, Hasbro killed Animated because it wasn't Aligned enough, and wanted to make Prime instead.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 22nd, 2022 @ 7:53pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I think it may of had more to do with Hasbro launching their own channel (hasbro made Animated with Cartoon Network, who were about to become a rival)



Urgh...
Once again, not only money talk, but money SCREAM. #-o
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129560)
Posted by Starbuck14 on March 22nd, 2022 @ 11:01pm CDT
I am bummed about this. The legacy series offers hype for the toy line for families and junior fans which helps keep this franchise breathing. I know y’all hate on anything that isn’t g1 and that’s sad really. Exposure from different perspectives and different show ideas is what keeps this brand alive and keeps new things coming our way, I just wish hasbro could produce this stuff as a “straight to dvd” or “straight for purchase/rent online.” Or even pack in episodes with the figures purchased. Families and kids seek this stuff out to be drawn into the franchise, new fans means more new figures and a sustained existence for transformers! Let’s be real, all of us 80’s fans ain’t getting any younger and once we go, the transformers may just go with us.
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Posted by Starbuck14 on March 22nd, 2022 @ 11:04pm CDT
I am bummed about this. The legacy series offers hype for the toy line for families and junior fans which helps keep this franchise breathing. I know y’all hate on anything that isn’t g1 and that’s sad really. Exposure from different perspectives and different show ideas is what keeps this brand alive and keeps new things coming our way, I just wish hasbro could produce this stuff as a “straight to dvd” or “straight for purchase/rent online.” Or even pack in episodes with the figures purchased. Families and kids seek this stuff out to be drawn into the franchise, new fans means more new figures and a sustained existence for transformers! Let’s be real, all of us 80’s fans ain’t getting any younger and once we go, the transformers may just go with us.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on March 23rd, 2022 @ 3:54am CDT
Starbuck14 wrote:I am bummed about this. The legacy series offers hype for the toy line for families and junior fans which helps keep this franchise breathing. I know y’all hate on anything that isn’t g1 and that’s sad really. Exposure from different perspectives and different show ideas is what keeps this brand alive and keeps new things coming our way, I just wish hasbro could produce this stuff as a “straight to dvd” or “straight for purchase/rent online.” Or even pack in episodes with the figures purchased. Families and kids seek this stuff out to be drawn into the franchise, new fans means more new figures and a sustained existence for transformers! Let’s be real, all of us 80’s fans ain’t getting any younger and once we go, the transformers may just go with us.

While this is true, I'd say Cyberverse fitted that bill perfectly and from what Hasbro has said in the past, they use dhows like Rescue Bots to introduce new younger fans in and turn go from there. Don't forget we do have brand new media heading to screens this year in the form of Bot Bots (on Netflix 25th March) and Transformers Earth Spark airing on Nickelodeon later this year.
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Posted by noctorro on March 23rd, 2022 @ 4:12am CDT
Good decision on Netflix' end. WFC (tv) was below average. It was boring, slow, flat and wrongly written character. Animation style was cool but besides that extremely cheap.

I hope they learn their lesson, how hard is it to write something fun?
Recently watched Injustice, and am a Gundam fan. Just borrow some tones and plot points and put a Transformers skin on it with robot/computer humor.
How bloody hard can it be, and leave the fall of Cybertron and going to Earth alone. It's been done about 12 times already.
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Posted by Big Grim on March 23rd, 2022 @ 8:07am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Bingo. The only people I’ve seen trashing the War For Cybertron show are people on forums like this who are to be frank, probably too beholden to the original source material to give a new interpretation a decent shake.

Again, nah. I've enjoyed many TF shows. Heck, most of them. But not the Machinima nor Netflix stuff as again, in my opinion, it's poorly written. Again, just an opinion and not an attack on anyone.

~ Grim
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Posted by primalxconvoy on March 23rd, 2022 @ 8:27am CDT
"...This might also be a sign of general streaming service disinterest in "dogsh*t" transformers content, as both War for Cybertron and the Prime Wars series were received with a mainly negative reaction from fans and apathy from the general public at best..."


Fixed it for you.

If Netflix could handle the (rather splendid) "mature" MOTU cartoon by Kevin Smith, then there's room for a "mature" TF cartoon, just not one made by the people behind all of the previous, fetid turds excreted out from Hasblo's skid plate so far.
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Posted by primalxconvoy on March 23rd, 2022 @ 8:36am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?
That isn't even close to true. Season 3 was the one that got rid of all the human villains. Even Sari got shafted by barely appearing in that season. Season 4 didn't happen because Hasbro simply didn't want to continue it, because they instead wanted to promote their new partnership with Discovery in creating The Hub Network (which was to be a rival to Cartoon Network) and promote their new Aligned continuity with an all new cartoon made closer in tone to the movies to serve as the centerpiece for this new aligned vision: Transformers: Prime.

In other words, Hasbro killed Animated because it wasn't Aligned enough, and wanted to make Prime instead.


I heard one major reason why Animated got the chop was that the toys sold poorly, possibly due to their aesthetic. Basically, a great toon, but it wasn't enough to convince the target demographic to buy such unorthodox-looking TF toys.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on March 23rd, 2022 @ 11:49am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, viewership for Animated season 3 must have taken a nosedive for S04 to be cancelled. Maybe too much random human villains?
That isn't even close to true. Season 3 was the one that got rid of all the human villains. Even Sari got shafted by barely appearing in that season. Season 4 didn't happen because Hasbro simply didn't want to continue it, because they instead wanted to promote their new partnership with Discovery in creating The Hub Network (which was to be a rival to Cartoon Network) and promote their new Aligned continuity with an all new cartoon made closer in tone to the movies to serve as the centerpiece for this new aligned vision: Transformers: Prime.

In other words, Hasbro killed Animated because it wasn't Aligned enough, and wanted to make Prime instead.


I heard one major reason why Animated got the chop was that the toys sold poorly, possibly due to their aesthetic. Basically, a great toon, but it wasn't enough to convince the target demographic to buy such unorthodox-looking TF toys.

Where was that stated?
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Posted by primalxconvoy on March 23rd, 2022 @ 8:22pm CDT
I hate to say this, but it was a "friend that has contacts with Hasbro staff", which I fully acknowledge is akin to saying "my uncle, who works for Nintendo". They have been right on many things in the past (which toys are coming out before most of us know abot them, etc) but also wrong on a few things (That the last Titan-class Scorp was based on Omega Supreme's mold).
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2129699)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 24th, 2022 @ 6:26am CDT
Ah I see
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2130013)
Posted by bluecatcinema on March 27th, 2022 @ 2:16pm CDT
It's too bad Netflix turned down the idea of a Legacy series. It would have been interesting to see just what the plan was for it; maybe a multiverse-hopping adventure of some sort?
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2130030)
Posted by TulioDude on March 27th, 2022 @ 4:22pm CDT
This "Not renewing of the series" makes sad.The series ended on a really interesting new status quo,I would like to see it explored more.
It could have been better in some areas,like some other people said,it assumes you are already familiar with Transformers,but I see some awesome moments in here that were very well done.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2130138)
Posted by jtanimator on March 28th, 2022 @ 5:46pm CDT
Hahahhahahah. Netflix isn’t disinterested in a “mature themed” Transformers cartoon. They’re disinterested in a poorly made transformers cartoon.

I couldn’t even get through season 1 of siege with dying of cringe and boredom.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2130142)
Posted by o.supreme on March 28th, 2022 @ 6:07pm CDT
Yet Netflix picks a lot of garbage shows most people know will be awful before any time or money is spent. Cowboy Bebop, ( upcoming One Piece). Etc....
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179630)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 25th, 2024 @ 12:10pm CDT
In light of the release of the new trailer for Transformers One, a short article was posted by GiantFreakinRobot about the War For Cybertron Trilogy cartoon on Netflix, and this article is nothing short of hilarious.

Like, every paragraph, every sentence, every letter is written from with a delirious, delusional state of mind that actually thinks longtime fans want depressing garbage like the Netflix WFCT cartoon just as long as the characters are depicted in classic G1-esque character designs, as if that and a darker tone are all that matters. Not good writing, not good voice acting, not good directing, not good character work, just G1 designs and edgy grimdarkness. Gag me.

Even funnier, the article actually calls the G1 cartoon "mediocre", something older fans had to "settle for", yet it praises the Netflix cartoon for having designs that look enough like it? 8-}
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179660)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2024 @ 4:49pm CDT
This whole article have the stink of identity politics.

Only the "race" and "gender" of the bots, the "outer shell" matters, nothing else.
Who care indeed, about the heart, the soul, and the story?

Applying that mentality to freaking extraterrestrial robots is peak mental gymnastics. :HEADHURTS:
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179661)
Posted by Quantum Surge on April 25th, 2024 @ 4:55pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:In light of the release of the new trailer for Transformers One, a short article was posted by GiantFreakinRobot about the War For Cybertron Trilogy cartoon on Netflix, and this article is nothing short of hilarious.

Like, every paragraph, every sentence, every letter is written from with a delirious, delusional state of mind that actually thinks longtime fans want depressing garbage like the Netflix WFCT cartoon just as long as the characters are depicted in classic G1-esque character designs, as if that and a darker tone are all that matters. Not good writing, not good voice acting, not good directing, not good character work, just G1 designs and edgy grimdarkness. Gag me.

Even funnier, the article actually calls the G1 cartoon "mediocre", something older fans had to "settle for", yet it praises the Netflix cartoon for having designs that look enough like it? 8-}

See this is why I can't take nerd culture seriously. They mock newer interpretations of franchises that are deemed too dark or grim yet give praise to them if they say it's like a childhood show but dark and gritty. I would agree with GFR that the G1 cartoon holds up poorly in a handful of areas, but I'd still watch it over the Netflix crap since it's not written by schmucks who would think any other version of TF is poor (especially given how nerd culture clout pigs are on social media)
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179664)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 25th, 2024 @ 5:04pm CDT
Quantum Surge wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:In light of the release of the new trailer for Transformers One, a short article was posted by GiantFreakinRobot about the War For Cybertron Trilogy cartoon on Netflix, and this article is nothing short of hilarious.

Like, every paragraph, every sentence, every letter is written from with a delirious, delusional state of mind that actually thinks longtime fans want depressing garbage like the Netflix WFCT cartoon just as long as the characters are depicted in classic G1-esque character designs, as if that and a darker tone are all that matters. Not good writing, not good voice acting, not good directing, not good character work, just G1 designs and edgy grimdarkness. Gag me.

Even funnier, the article actually calls the G1 cartoon "mediocre", something older fans had to "settle for", yet it praises the Netflix cartoon for having designs that look enough like it? 8-}

See this is why I can't take nerd culture seriously. They mock newer interpretations of franchises that are deemed too dark or grim yet give praise to them if they say it's like a childhood show but dark and gritty. I would agree with GFR that the G1 cartoon holds up poorly in a handful of areas, but I'd still watch it over the Netflix crap since it's not written by schmucks who would think any other version of TF is poor (especially given how nerd culture clout pigs are on social media)


The point is not to mock "dark and gritty". The point is that the "dark and gritty" and the G1 looking bots are the only selling points of that Netfix show.

The Netflix show was boring hot garbage all around and it was a pain to sit through.
It's like playing a game like Ride To Hell Retribution and pretending it's good just because it have sex and violence.

The only grimdark TF show that is genuinely good that come to my mind is Transformers Prime. I dunno if there's others but for me, TF Prime is unbeatable.

As for a "serious" show featuring the G1 characters, I would watch, but the writing need to be stellar and the episodes need to be of the standard 25 minutes long. Not 5 minutes clips.
Seriously, Netflix, how the hell did you expect to tell a story in 5 minutes clips?
The Netflix show is garbage because they are basically extended adds. Nothing more.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179687)
Posted by Big Grim on April 26th, 2024 @ 5:42am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF Prime is unbeatable.

The Netflix show is garbage because they are basically extended adds. Nothing more.

100% agree with you on this!

~ Grim
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179827)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 29th, 2024 @ 5:34pm CDT
Wow, so much bitterness and vitriol towards the trilogy.

I also thought it was on the lower end of quality story telling, and even most of the voice acting was subpar. But it wasn't the worst ever, IMO. I do agree that Rooster Teeth and the people who produced the series have no clue how to properly present a Transformers series, but it begs the question, just show much involvement and influence did Hasbro have? We all know executives and bean counters aren't exactly the best story tellers.

And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179838)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 29th, 2024 @ 8:27pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow, so much bitterness and vitriol towards the trilogy.

I also thought it was on the lower end of quality story telling, and even most of the voice acting was subpar. But it wasn't the worst ever, IMO. I do agree that Rooster Teeth and the people who produced the series have no clue how to properly present a Transformers series, but it begs the question, just show much involvement and influence did Hasbro have? We all know executives and bean counters aren't exactly the best story tellers.

And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.


What would be the worst of the worst TF series, then?

And no, Kiss Players don't count.
Re: Netflix was Offered a Transformers Legacy Series and Declined to Take It (2179846)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 29th, 2024 @ 11:49pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow, so much bitterness and vitriol towards the trilogy.

I also thought it was on the lower end of quality story telling, and even most of the voice acting was subpar. But it wasn't the worst ever, IMO. I do agree that Rooster Teeth and the people who produced the series have no clue how to properly present a Transformers series, but it begs the question, just show much involvement and influence did Hasbro have? We all know executives and bean counters aren't exactly the best story tellers.

And we got some pretty decent figures out if it.


What would be the worst of the worst TF series, then?
Machinima's Prime Wars Trilogy was objectively inferior.

And who could forget Energon's tedious lack of any coherent plot for 52 goldarn episodes?

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