New Autobot Masterpiece Toy Listed in Toysrus Database

william-james88 wrote:New listings found in CSIS (Centralized Sales Improvement System, which is Toys R Us' inventory network) thanks to TFW2005 user Optimus423

(Possible New Toys R Us Exclusive Items)
40846 - EX TRA Seeker Thundercracker - $29.99 (DC has 978 on order)

Possible PotP Voyager Starscream repaint?

Hoping so! That much closer to a set of the three primary seekers in voyager scale.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:New listings found in CSIS (Centralized Sales Improvement System, which is Toys R Us' inventory network) thanks to TFW2005 user Optimus423

(Possible New Toys R Us Exclusive Items)
40846 - EX TRA Seeker Thundercracker - $29.99 (DC has 978 on order)

Possible PotP Voyager Starscream repaint?

Or Studio Series voyager Starscream repaint.

gothsaurus wrote:Hoping so! That much closer to a set of the three primary seekers in voyager scale.

I too would love to have the primary seeker trio in Voyager scale, or even a sextet if we're including the "coneheads," but NOT for this mold. This rendition of Starscream isn't my idea of a real "Classics/neoG1" update of the character. I think we're going to have to wait another several years at this point.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:New listings found in CSIS (Centralized Sales Improvement System, which is Toys R Us' inventory network) thanks to TFW2005 user Optimus423

(Possible New Toys R Us Exclusive Items)
40846 - EX TRA Seeker Thundercracker - $29.99 (DC has 978 on order)

Possible PotP Voyager Starscream repaint?

Or Studio Series voyager Starscream repaint.

Possible, but that would be the first "non-screen" character in that line-up, which seems to be focusing on characters actually featured in the first couple of films so far. It being an exclusive, though, might mitigate that somewhat.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Hoping so! That much closer to a set of the three primary seekers in voyager scale.

I too would love to have the primary seeker trio in Voyager scale, or even a sextet if we're including the "coneheads," but NOT for this mold. This rendition of Starscream isn't my idea of a real "Classics/neoG1" update of the character. I think we're going to have to wait another several years at this point.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:New listings found in CSIS (Centralized Sales Improvement System, which is Toys R Us' inventory network) thanks to TFW2005 user Optimus423

(Possible New Toys R Us Exclusive Items)
40846 - EX TRA Seeker Thundercracker - $29.99 (DC has 978 on order)

Possible PotP Voyager Starscream repaint?

Or Studio Series voyager Starscream repaint.

Possible, but that would be the first "non-screen" character in that line-up, which seems to be focusing on characters actually featured in the first couple of films so far. It being an exclusive, though, might mitigate that somewhat.

Those. Figures are ok looking classic seeker figures for seekers are still ones personally like fun to transform voyager seekers in power of prime figure series are good step up for seeker figures

dragons wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Hoping so! That much closer to a set of the three primary seekers in voyager scale.

I too would love to have the primary seeker trio in Voyager scale, or even a sextet if we're including the "coneheads," but NOT for this mold. This rendition of Starscream isn't my idea of a real "Classics/neoG1" update of the character. I think we're going to have to wait another several years at this point.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:New listings found in CSIS (Centralized Sales Improvement System, which is Toys R Us' inventory network) thanks to TFW2005 user Optimus423

(Possible New Toys R Us Exclusive Items)
40846 - EX TRA Seeker Thundercracker - $29.99 (DC has 978 on order)

Possible PotP Voyager Starscream repaint?

Or Studio Series voyager Starscream repaint.

Possible, but that would be the first "non-screen" character in that line-up, which seems to be focusing on characters actually featured in the first couple of films so far. It being an exclusive, though, might mitigate that somewhat.

Those. Figures are ok looking classic seeker figures for seekers are still ones personally like fun to transform voyager seekers in power of prime figure series are good step up for seeker figures

I would actually have liked to see the rest of the seekers made into deluxe size to be limbs for starscream to be honest. It seemed to me that would have been a cool use for them.

I remember being able to get Masterpiece Optimus for $99 (was originally $129, but they had "sales" at $99). So it "could" be a reissue of that figure. Ultra Magnus has the same footprint, so while it seems unlikely, it is possible.

Black Bumblebee wrote:I remember being able to get Masterpiece Optimus for $99 (was originally $129, but they had "sales" at $99).

They just reissued Optimus in 2017 and for 160 so on both counts I think we should think of another character.

Yeah, because this mold isn't the best, I would be content with just the three major seekers. They could issue deluxe combining limbs for the remaining coneheads. Heck, they could put out a convention box of the other three and fans would eat that up — they already have the mold. Same for a lavender clone (or Hotlink, as he became known.) Throw that guy in the box. We'll have a blast mix and matching them on the three main seeker bodies.

Whatever it takes to get a good, fleshed out seeker gestalt. Let's do it, Hasbro!

I'm hoping for Ultra Magnus, but it would be cool if it's Sunstreeker too

Do we have any clue who street racer is?

NTESHFT wrote:I'm hoping for Ultra Magnus, but it would be cool if it's Sunstreeker too

If the reissue of MP-10 by Hasbro last year was already $140, I sincerely doubt that Ultra Magnus would go for any less then that, let alone for $100. I think the safest bets are either one of the "larger" van/truck chracters like Ironhide or Inferno, or, as you suggested already, a much more costly car mold, like Sunstreaker.

I wish Hasbro would have more transparency about their upcoming releases. By the time a USA masterpiece is announced, I've already bought, shipped, and opened the Takara.

Also, announcing what they have rights to and are PLANNING to release would prevent us from buying 3P masterpiece for items like Mirage, Hound, Jazz, etc.

(Or conversely, knowing they have NO plans to release something due to licensing issues, that would let us know we need to resort to 3P. I know a lot of us are on the fence, keeping an eye out for word from Takara.)

What I wanna know, is what it's number designate will be. Bee was MP-08, Prime was MP-10. Will this be MP-09 to bridge the gap or will they ignore the misstep and go straight to 11

Probably Inferno, seems too pricey for ironhide but with toysrus uk charging £50 for bumble bee on clearance let alone what they were trying to charge before then, it could just be wheeljack or sideswipe. Always a chance it could be an overpriced sunstreaker.

A list has surfaced on Weibo for 2019 products in collector oriented Hasbro Transformers line. This list includes toys we already know about, like Siege leader Optimus Prime but also toys we had no clue of until now, like Dark of the Moon Leader Optimus Prime (it seems only a matter of time before every Transformers toy released is another Optimus Prime). The list was found on Baidu and includes the product number for each release. The new Siege toys listed, like Skywarp, Greenlight, and the Firestormers will be exclusives, probably similar to the multitude of POTP exclusives we got in 2018 (ie Nemesis Prime, Wreck-Gar, Punch/Counterpunch).

Seeing Greenlight here, under the Siege line, means she will probably be a retool of Chromia and also not sport a combiner peg (no fembot combiner for you!). Slamdance, under the Firestormers, might be a redeco of Skythread. You can speculate as well, of course.

As for the studio series we have a voyager KSI Bot, deluxe hightower, an unknown and the aforementioned DOTM Optimus Prime.

The full list is below:

Okay, so just last night I was thinking that one could customize Skytread/Flywheels into Slamdance and was suprised I hadn’t heard that idea before.

Also, this is almost definitely what the Firestormer pack will be based on: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Firestormer
Probably a sign of a G2 Sideswipe, given that we can see he’ll be in it. It think that’s pretty neat.

william-james88 wrote:(I)t seems only a matter of time before every Transformers toy released is another Optimus Prime

I can’t wait for Optimus Prime PotP Deluxe Class Ricochet Version, oh and MP-43 Optimus Prime Beast Wars Megatron Version, and then there’s the upcoming Optimus Prime Siege WFC Leader Class Shockwave Version!

Jury’s still out on MP-44 Optimus Prime Masterpiece V3 Optimus Prime Cartoon Optimus Prime Version Optimus Prime, though.

So many Optimae, so little drachmae.

These are certainly interesting, a voyager skywarp makes sense, and considering there's no more room in the voyager listings for Siege as a whole. Question is, will we get earth alt Seekers in the next two years

Greenlight? Like one of the two background fembots of Elita One's team? Does that mean we'll get a Lancer too? I hope so, we need more fembots, also they're one of my favorite couples. ^w^

william-james88 wrote:(it seems only a matter of time before every Transformers toy released is another Optimus Prime).

Odd. The very popular, fan favorite, beloved and cherished Big Good of the franchise is highly represented in the toyline? That makes no sense. (If it wasn't clear I was being sarcastic)

Movie Masterpiece Jazz and Megatron!

Agent 53 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:(it seems only a matter of time before every Transformers toy released is another Optimus Prime).

Odd. The very popular, fan favorite, beloved and cherished Big Good of the franchise is highly represented in the toyline? That makes no sense. (If it wasn't clear I was being sarcastic)

I'm just thankful it's not more Bumblebee.

MagicDeath wrote:Okay, so just last night I was thinking that one could customize Skytread/Flywheels into Slamdance and was suprised I hadn’t heard that idea before.

The only problem with that idea is that with Slamdance, Grand Slam (the red tank) forms the upper body and Raindance (the blue jet) forms the lower body. Using the same mold as Skytread/Flywheels, Grand Slam will now form the red lower body and Raindance will now form the blue upper body of Slamdance. While it still works like this, it also still takes away from the appearance of the G1 Character. Not to mention that they both lose their third transformation, which is forming cassettes that store inside Blaster's chest.

wolverinetodd wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Okay, so just last night I was thinking that one could customize Skytread/Flywheels into Slamdance and was suprised I hadn’t heard that idea before.

The only problem with that idea is that with Slamdance, Grand Slam (the red tank) forms the upper body and Raindance (the blue jet) forms the lower body. Using the same mold as Skytread/Flywheels, Grand Slam will now form the red lower body and Raindance will now form the blue upper body of Slamdance. While it still works like this, it also still takes away from the appearance of the G1 Character. Not to mention that they both lose their third transformation, which is forming cassettes that store inside Blaster's chest.

Any reason you guys aren't thinking that the "Firestormer Pack" might be a Sideswipe figure with Slamdance done in the style of WFC "Micromasters" Ravage and Laserbeak?

I’m SUPER excited for DOTM Optimus! I wonder if he’ll come with the full trailer or just the flight tech, and if he’ll have his handheld sword and axe from his fight with Sentinel.

The real question is, how much better will Leader TF3 Prime be than Takara's MB-11 and MB-17.

Probably a joke in comparison

Seibertron wrote:

wolverinetodd wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Okay, so just last night I was thinking that one could customize Skytread/Flywheels into Slamdance and was suprised I hadn’t heard that idea before.

The only problem with that idea is that with Slamdance, Grand Slam (the red tank) forms the upper body and Raindance (the blue jet) forms the lower body. Using the same mold as Skytread/Flywheels, Grand Slam will now form the red lower body and Raindance will now form the blue upper body of Slamdance. While it still works like this, it also still takes away from the appearance of the G1 Character. Not to mention that they both lose their third transformation, which is forming cassettes that store inside Blaster's chest.

Any reason you guys aren't thinking that the "Firestormer Pack" might be a Sideswipe figure with Slamdance done in the style of WFC "Micromasters" Ravage and Laserbeak?

Aside from them being possibly exclusives, thus potentially disqualifying them from new molds, it's the right most number in the table, which is the price more than likely:

Voyager SS: 349
Deluxe SS: 249
Leader SS: 549

Deluxe WFC: 169
Voyager WFC: 269
Leader WFC: 469

Greenlight WFC: 249
Firestomer WFC: 499
Skywarp WFC: 499

Greenlight fits with the "Deluxe + extra", but the Firestormer and Skywarp packs are more than Leader. The contents has to be quite substantial to justify the price, and Slamdance as a pair of cassettes wouldn't really cut it.

Overcracker wrote:The real question is, how much better will Leader TF3 Prime be than Takara's MB-11 and MB-17.

Well, I imagine it’ll be a mod of the existing SS voyager figure with a trailer/jet pack, so not the same size or complexity as the ROTF leader. It certainly won’t have the same paint apps as the Movie the Best figures, but it’ll hopefully come with Some accessories that neither of those have.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

Overcracker wrote:The real question is, how much better will Leader TF3 Prime be than Takara's MB-11 and MB-17.

Well, I imagine it’ll be a mod of the existing SS voyager figure with a trailer/jet pack, so not the same size or complexity as the ROTF leader. It certainly won’t have the same paint apps as the Movie the Best figures, but it’ll hopefully come with Some accessories that neither of those have.

Another one? We are already getting a modified Voyager Prime that seems to combine with the upcoming Jetfire figure.



Two Voyager Primes with different "flight packs" seems excessive.

I could see a trailer taking up the extra Leader cost. But that would just be disappointing.

A thought comes to mind however... What if Hasbro decided to bring Takara's "upscaled" Evasion mode Prime into the Studio Series?

Overcracker wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

Overcracker wrote:The real question is, how much better will Leader TF3 Prime be than Takara's MB-11 and MB-17.

Well, I imagine it’ll be a mod of the existing SS voyager figure with a trailer/jet pack, so not the same size or complexity as the ROTF leader. It certainly won’t have the same paint apps as the Movie the Best figures, but it’ll hopefully come with Some accessories that neither of those have.

Another one? We are already getting a modified Voyager Prime that seems to combine with the upcoming Jetfire figure.



Two Voyager Primes with different "flight packs" seems excessive.

I could see a trailer taking up the extra Leader cost. But that would just be disappointing.

A thought comes to mind however... What if Hasbro decided to bring Takara's "upscaled" Evasion mode Prime into the Studio Series?

Doubtful as that would screw with that scale guide they are using. I do believe it will be a retool of the voyager prime with trailer that transforms into flight pack. Then I think they'll make a new prime to better represent knight prime the year after...(oh and a Cybertron Prime from the Bumblebee Movie)

Overcracker wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Two Voyager Primes with different "flight packs" seems excessive.

I could see a trailer taking up the extra Leader cost. But that would just be disappointing.

A thought comes to mind however... What if Hasbro decided to bring Takara's "upscaled" Evasion mode Prime into the Studio Series?

What if the trailer instead or also (yeah right) formed the big ring-shaped armory? We've never had an official toy of that. Also, a voyager DOTM Optimus would be further distinguished by the chestplate. And hopefully he'd include Optimus' BFG from DOTM. Or maybe the shield or the axe.

Also, that "Legendary" Optimus figure wouldn't exactly be a DOTM Optimus now would it?

I wish we knew more about thT WFC Leader zprime before I buy the Voyager.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Two Voyager Primes with different "flight packs" seems excessive.

I could see a trailer taking up the extra Leader cost. But that would just be disappointing.

A thought comes to mind however... What if Hasbro decided to bring Takara's "upscaled" Evasion mode Prime into the Studio Series?

What if the trailer instead or also (yeah right) formed the big ring-shaped armory? We've never had an official toy of that. Also, a voyager DOTM Optimus would be further distinguished by the chestplate. And hopefully he'd include Optimus' BFG from DOTM. Or maybe the shield or the axe.

Also, that "Legendary" Optimus figure wouldn't exactly be a DOTM Optimus now would it?

You are of course correct. DOTM != AOE.

It was a nice thought while it lasted.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

wolverinetodd wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Okay, so just last night I was thinking that one could customize Skytread/Flywheels into Slamdance and was suprised I hadn’t heard that idea before.

The only problem with that idea is that with Slamdance, Grand Slam (the red tank) forms the upper body and Raindance (the blue jet) forms the lower body. Using the same mold as Skytread/Flywheels, Grand Slam will now form the red lower body and Raindance will now form the blue upper body of Slamdance. While it still works like this, it also still takes away from the appearance of the G1 Character. Not to mention that they both lose their third transformation, which is forming cassettes that store inside Blaster's chest.

Any reason you guys aren't thinking that the "Firestormer Pack" might be a Sideswipe figure with Slamdance done in the style of WFC "Micromasters" Ravage and Laserbeak?

Aside from them being possibly exclusives, thus potentially disqualifying them from new molds, it's the right most number in the table, which is the price more than likely:

Voyager SS: 349
Deluxe SS: 249
Leader SS: 549

Deluxe WFC: 169
Voyager WFC: 269
Leader WFC: 469

Greenlight WFC: 249
Firestomer WFC: 499
Skywarp WFC: 499

Greenlight fits with the "Deluxe + extra", but the Firestormer and Skywarp packs are more than Leader. The contents has to be quite substantial to justify the price, and Slamdance as a pair of cassettes wouldn't really cut it.

Well we know that the firestormer pack includes more than just swipe qnd slamdance as it also has someone whose name begins with ai and possibly more, so as long as those other figures are of enough value they can still release this set with a micromaster combiner slamdance and still keep it around $50

Nickster563 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

wolverinetodd wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Okay, so just last night I was thinking that one could customize Skytread/Flywheels into Slamdance and was suprised I hadn’t heard that idea before.

The only problem with that idea is that with Slamdance, Grand Slam (the red tank) forms the upper body and Raindance (the blue jet) forms the lower body. Using the same mold as Skytread/Flywheels, Grand Slam will now form the red lower body and Raindance will now form the blue upper body of Slamdance. While it still works like this, it also still takes away from the appearance of the G1 Character. Not to mention that they both lose their third transformation, which is forming cassettes that store inside Blaster's chest.

Any reason you guys aren't thinking that the "Firestormer Pack" might be a Sideswipe figure with Slamdance done in the style of WFC "Micromasters" Ravage and Laserbeak?

Aside from them being possibly exclusives, thus potentially disqualifying them from new molds, it's the right most number in the table, which is the price more than likely:

Voyager SS: 349
Deluxe SS: 249
Leader SS: 549

Deluxe WFC: 169
Voyager WFC: 269
Leader WFC: 469

Greenlight WFC: 249
Firestomer WFC: 499
Skywarp WFC: 499

Greenlight fits with the "Deluxe + extra", but the Firestormer and Skywarp packs are more than Leader. The contents has to be quite substantial to justify the price, and Slamdance as a pair of cassettes wouldn't really cut it.

Well we know that the firestormer pack includes more than just swipe qnd slamdance as it also has someone whose name begins with ai and possibly more, so as long as those other figures are of enough value they can still release this set with a micromaster combiner slamdance and still keep it around $50

So far the confirmed cassettes border on cheap looking and stupid (Ravage anyway).

Plus I don't like the way that G2 Sideswipe looks either, so the only thing that would motivate me in buying this "Firestomer pack" is if Slamdance is a Flywheels retool. I'd just buy it for Slamdance and sell the rest. But if it's a crummy cassettes combiner that "wolverinetodd" seems to be hoping for with no Voyager Blaster even confirmed. Then that set is all his...

And here's hoping that Skywarp comes with someone better in his pack then.

Here's hoping for an awesome G2 Sideswipe!

wolverinetodd wrote:The only problem with that idea is that with Slamdance, Grand Slam (the red tank) forms the upper body and Raindance (the blue jet) forms the lower body. Using the same mold as Skytread/Flywheels, Grand Slam will now form the red lower body and Raindance will now form the blue upper body of Slamdance. While it still works like this, it also still takes away from the appearance of the G1 Character.

Believe it or not, I also thought of that. I figured that was one reason I hadn't seen much of the idea. I'm feeling quite clairvoyant this week.

Seibertron wrote:Any reason you guys aren't thinking that the "Firestormer Pack" might be a Sideswipe figure with Slamdance done in the style of WFC "Micromasters" Ravage and Laserbeak?

'cause

william-james88 wrote:Slamdance, under the Firestormers, might be a redeco of Skythread.

A micromaster version might be more likely, though.

Nickster563 wrote:Well we know that the firestormer pack includes more than just swipe qnd slamdance as it also has someone whose name begins with ai and possibly more

Maybe Aileron?

(From http://speedfreak01.tumblr.com/post/179768872088/heres-a-digibash-of-the-roundest-girl-herself-a)

Pulling the listings back:



The second set of "E" numbers on the right are the assortment codes, and here's the funny thing: the Fan Vote figure doesn't have one, that's usually an indication it's an exclusive. Thoughts?

How I can buy this model 141205 - TRA Voice Mask - $34.99

Catz has been finding listings supplier listings for a while now and it's always fun when we get more. Of course, while the listings are real they may take up to a year to see what they were all about (like Rebekah's Garage). We finally have the actual listings and product codes for the G1 reissues coming out in 2019 and there is nothing else coming after Soundwave and his cassettes. We are indeed getting a War for Cybertron Soundblaster and Ratchet, the later will be a Walgreens exclusive for their holiday season (so be prepared to wait a while before finding it at retail). For the Datsun fans, there will also be a deluxe Bluestreak. Also, there sill be a special edition Optimus and Megatron without the battle damage as part of the 35th anniversary. The other item from War for Cybertron will be a 10 pack of Micro Masters (some redecos to fill out the teams? who knows!).

Beast Wars fans will be happy to see that we are getting a Cheetor toy and it will be one of those more fun looking battle armour ones. A warrior Slipstream will be coming too. Last but not least, we will be getting another Studio Series Leader Megatron. This will be different from the DOTM leader though it is not sure if that means it will just be a redeco/retool or a totally different mold for his Movie 1 self. Afterall, he is the only one missing from the 2007 line up in Studio Series.

Let us know what you think!

E5503 TRA G1 Optimus Prime 1986
E2046 TRA G1 Legion Class ast (bumblebee etc)
E4964 TRA G1 Soundwave
E4963 TRA G1 – Cassette 2 pack
E7669 TRA WFC Voyager Soundblaster
E8382 TRA WFC Voyager OP SE
E8371 TRA WFC Voyager Megatron SE
E8291 TRA WFC Deluxe Bluestreak
E5558 TRA Cyberverse Warrior Slipstream
E5557 TRA Cyberverse Warrior 2 pack
E5557 TRA Cyberverse Spark Armor Cheetor
E7670 TRA WFC Micromaster Mega Value 10 Pack
E5028 TRA Studio Series Voyager Megatron
E6254 TRA Studio Series Leader Megatron
E5560 TRA WFC Deluxe Ratchet

Soundblaster, Bluestreak, SE Optimus Prime and SE Megatron were present at NY Toy Fair as package mockups for a potential 35th anniversary line, Soundblaster even had a painted figure mockup:



Glad to see it pan out

Has it been confirmed what size the Spark Armour figures are? Like Deluxe or smaller? Because I may buy a Spark Armour Cheetor regardless, but I'm still hoping for a Warrior figure (at this point I've given up hope for a Generations Deluxe).

Munkky wrote:Has it been confirmed what size the Spark Armour figures are? Like Deluxe or smaller? Because I may buy a Spark Armour Cheetor regardless, but I'm still hoping for a Warrior figure (at this point I've given up hope for a Generations Deluxe).

They are smaller than deluxe.

And honestly, I dont think a warrior Cyberverse cheetor would be any good, from the warriors I have handled.

I don't follow Cyberverse but, Cheetor is a bit of a random name drop on this list?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't follow Cyberverse but, Cheetor is a bit of a random name drop on this list?

He turned up in the season 2 trailer

E5557 TRA Cyberverse Warrior 2 pack
E5557 TRA Cyberverse Spark Armor Cheetor

Something ain't right here.

ZeroWolf wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't follow Cyberverse but, Cheetor is a bit of a random name drop on this list?

He turned up in the season 2 trailer

I see. Quick Google search later.. Surely as a "guardian" of anything, there are better picks out there, even among the BW cast, than Cheetor? Tigatron or Dinobot immediately come to mind. Or even Rhinox?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't follow Cyberverse but, Cheetor is a bit of a random name drop on this list?

He turned up in the season 2 trailer

I see. Quick Google search later.. Surely as a "guardian" of anything, there are better picks out there, even among the BW cast, than Cheetor? Tigatron or Dinobot immediately come to mind. Or even Rhinox?

Who's to say at the moment, I enjoyed season 1 so I'm willing to give the people in charge the benefit of the doubt.

As for the codes being the same, I wonder if the initial source pressed the wrong key when typing them out