New Footage of Transformers Rise of the Beasts in Teaser

Heh, I remember my days on Facebook, that was truly some next level toxicity that could've melted right through the PC monitor.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Keep in mind, the movie is set during the time when Family Matters was at the height of its popularity.

I was just wondering about that...

Now I'm almost saddened that they didn't get Jaleel White to voice him.

Honestly though, after the disaster that was TLK I really couldn't care less about the live action franchise. BB was a nice diversion, but the way Hollywood has gone in the past few years I knew not to get my hopes up that they would actually improve upon that. I used to LOVE going to the movies, but pretty much since 2019, there has been very little to be excited about.

I mean my kids are old enough that they went to see Super Mario Bros with their own friends. They said it was great. I actually believe them in this instance, but I'm still in no hurry to see it. RotB may very well be the first TF film that I have access to, but choose not to see in the theater.

Is it just me or does the CG look WAY better than the original trailer?

First-Aid wrote:Is it just me or does the CG look WAY better than the original trailer?

It does look a lot more polished to me, I guess it being closer to release means we're gonna be seeing more finalised stuff!

SpaceEagle wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Is it just me or does the CG look WAY better than the original trailer?

It does look a lot more polished to me, I guess it being closer to release means we're gonna be seeing more finalised stuff!

I wonder if the first trailer was rushed. The CGI wasn't completely done but the director already had his decision for the scenes in the trailer. It also could explain why there was such a huge space between trailers.

I liked this teaser, Primal and Cheetor look fantastic, and despite all the furious hatred I've seen on the Internet about Wheeljack's design, in motion he doesn't actually look that bad. I'm warming up to seeing the movie when it's out.

Why are the producers so scared of the R-word? Both this and Bumblebee, prior. Does it really matter if BB were a reboot? Or this for that matter?? There is no deep characterisation or narrative thread lost if they were.

Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before. BB garnered a lot of goodwill, from me personally. I wasn't expecting it to either. So I'll give this a go. Couldn't really give an Energon Goodie what any of them look like. As long as the Terrorcons/Predacons/Whatever are entertaining. Like Shatter and Dropkick in the last film.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why are the producers so scared of the R-word? Both this and Bumblebee, prior. Does it really matter if BB were a reboot? Or this for that matter?? There is no deep characterisation or narrative thread lost if they were.

Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before. BB garnered a lot of goodwill, from me personally. I wasn't expecting it to either. So I'll give this a go. Couldn't really give an Energon Goodie what any of them look like. As long as the Terrorcons/Predacons/Whatever are entertaining. Like Shatter and Dropkick in the last film.

Fun and Entertainment > Fan service

First-Aid wrote:Fun and Entertainment > Fan service

Absolutely. Much like specifically catering to nostalgia has become a real blight of this era in particular.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Not to mention pretty much all fandoms are toxic as hell but at least the TF fandom isn't no where as toxic as Star Wars fanboys.

The crown of toxicity would be for Genshin Impact, based of all those insane Twitter users.

I don't follow anime (I had to google the name) BUT I'll take your word about it. Yet another reason I stay off twitter.

SpaceEagle wrote:Heh, I remember my days on Facebook, that was truly some next level toxicity that could've melted right through the PC monitor.

On one of the Gi Joe groups I follow if you ask a question you run the risk of some man baby being a complete d!ckhead. I try not to look at the comments just the pictures especially if it is something new.

I guess I am old school, if you want to say something say it to whomevers face, oh wait most people are complete pussies now a days and would get the sh1t stomped out of them so what better way to hide the cowardice than attacking anonymously.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why are the producers so scared of the R-word? Both this and Bumblebee, prior. Does it really matter if BB were a reboot?

It's all about the money. If the pre-TLK Bay movies hadn't made a gazillion dollars, the producers probably wouldn't be so eager to keep all of the newer films still connected to those that were big moneymakers.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why are the producers so scared of the R-word? Both this and Bumblebee, prior. Does it really matter if BB were a reboot?

If it were a real full on reboot, like the Batman franchise, the spider-man franchise and the james bond franchise, then yes it would matter. It would mean that the designs would get an overhaul and that they are not constrained with staples of the franchise, like Bumblebee having a radio voice or being a camarro.

So I'm glad they arent calling this a reboot in any official capacity, or else it would just cheapen that word.

And yes, they are scared of using that word on their end because this franchise, with Bumblebee as he is, has made billions of dollars. Up until this year, ROTF had the record for most money made in a 5 day opening week-end. They are not giving that up so easily.

And lastly, the producers are still the same, so they have a stake in this franchise when it comes to their ego.

All reasons no one is using the word reboot in anything close to an official capacity.

It's so strange though. I would actually equate it to the Batman films. Batman Begins made $370+ million, The Dark Knight made $1 billion. But no one tied them to Batman '89 or ..Batman & Robin. Which is what they are doing in word only, here.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's so strange though. I would actually equate it to the Batman films. Batman Begins made $370+ million, The Dark Knight made $1 billion. But no one tied them to Batman '89 or ..Batman & Robin. Which is what they are doing in word only, here.

Except, no. Batman Begins made it explicitly clear that it was a different Batman in a different world from those of Batman 89. Begins didn't end in any way that implied Bale's Bruce would later go on to become Keaton's Bruce, whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in an unambiguous visual attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie.

Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie.

Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.

And Prime's arrival on Earth in the '07 movie was never outright stated to be his first time visiting, just his first time meeting Sam.

If anything, Optimus coming to Earth in 1987 and then coming back to it in 2007 is no different from George Lucas changing his mind about Darth Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope to have Darth Vader be Anakin Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie.

Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.

Indeed. Misremembered the dealership scene. Wherein they poked fun at the VW beetle, next to BB. To be fair, it's probably been at least ten years since I sat through '07 or any other Bayformers really.

It's funny though. Because they went back and forth with BB as spin-off, prequel or reboot. Then said it was a reboot and now they are saying ROTB isn't.

Sabrblade wrote:And Prime's arrival on Earth in the '07 movie was never outright stated to be his first time visiting, just his first time meeting Sam.

If anything, Optimus coming to Earth in 1987 and then coming back to it in 2007 is no different from George Lucas changing his mind about Darth Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope to have Darth Vader be Anakin Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back.

Yet there is also Arcee...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And Prime's arrival on Earth in the '07 movie was never outright stated to be his first time visiting, just his first time meeting Sam.

If anything, Optimus coming to Earth in 1987 and then coming back to it in 2007 is no different from George Lucas changing his mind about Darth Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope to have Darth Vader be Anakin Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back.

Yet there is also Arcee...

What about her? ROTF is set later, so in this movie she's neither split into three yet nor dead yet.

really interesting how rc gets something that looks like a face and wheeljack does not

Speaking as a bonafide Geeewunner jerk, I'll go ahead and throw out my dumbass opinions:

I understand why updates to the characters have to be made. Mirage and Wheeljack would hardly be incognito flying down the highway as an F1 and Lancia Stratos. As for the robot modes, it would make no sense to expect all alien machine life to conform to a bipedal humanoid or quadrupedal body type. All these changes are perfectly logical and make total sense. Unfortunately, the designs they are coming up with deviate so far from the characters we came to love, they come off as looking like the designers didn't give a crap and couldn't be bothered with even a simple Google search. "Fuck the fans, I'm making what I want and I'll screw up any character I please."

Also, the movies have spiraled down the drain of contradictory nonsense that each movie is practically a soft reboot of the previous one. TLK was so damn idiotic I walked away feeling like we all had our intelligence insulted. The whole thing felt like it was put together by a focus group of kindergartners and they swapped out half the group every 10 minutes. That's where I had to walk away.

Much like Disney, Lucasfilm, Marvel, Star Trek, etc., all they seem to be doing is strip-mining the properties with an existing fan base and pumping out garbage with some kind of agenda assuming we'll go see it no matter how bad it gets.

Sorry, but they need my money more than I need their movies. I can spend my money elsewhere.

Rant over.
Carry on.

Sabrblade wrote:What about her? ROTF is set later, so in this movie she's neither split into three yet nor dead yet.

This is the whole point. There is no need for the mental gymnastics that comes with this not being a rebooted timeline, since BB. I don't think there is any fan of Prime's outright murderous incarnation in Bayformers, over any of the others. I can't think of anyone else, for that matter. That is better depicted in '07-TLK than anywhere else. The brand name is all that really matters. There isn't anything worth holding onto from the earlier filmd beyond that.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie.

By my count BB came to earth at least 3 times (WWII, 1987, and just prior to 2007)... I just state this to show that there is no logical continuity in these films.

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't think there is any fan of Prime's outright murderous incarnation in Bayformers, over any of the others.

I can potentially explain that actually. Prime has been fighting as a soldier for a long time. Even professional soldiers can lose themselves in the continuous violence of warfare. In addition, these statements are usually said in the heat of the moment. I never saw him as murderous but I did see him as a focused soldier out to accomplish something violent that, over the millenia, could be slowly wearing away at his psyche.

Dark of the Moon. The way he executes Sentinel (an unarmed prisoner) and Megatron is definitely murderous.

The way the Autobots rip off faces, spinal columns etc Yet the Cons don't really go that far onscreen. Yet are supposed to be the "bad guys".

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Dark of the Moon. The way he executes Sentinel (an unarmed prisoner) and Megatron is definitely murderous.

The way the Autobots rip off faces, spinal columns etc Yet the Cons don't really go that far onscreen. Yet are supposed to be the "bad guys".

I don't think the Cons got much opportunity to do that, honestly. Though Megatron impaling Prime from behind, shoving his blade out his chest and then firing a cannon and blowing out his chest entirely qualifies. Imagine being in a battle, stabbing someone from behind with your bayonet and then, while still impaled, firing a 50 cal round into the wound.

Also consider what Megatron had ALREADY survived, he certainly could have felt extreme measures were needed.

Sentinel was nothing but rage, anger, and betrayal. I can't blame him for that at all. He betrayed him and killed his best friend in cold Energon, then he allied with his worst enemy and blew off everything they fought millenia for. Brutal? Yep. Revenge. Hell yes. Overkill? Yup. Heat of the moment? Absolutely.

Even if it's not a true reboot, I'm perfectly fine with it ignoring AoE's story, and especially TLK's story. I can agree with Brokebot that I could feel my brain starting to become mush as more and more went on in TLK. AoE likewise make me subconsciously ask "...why" every 2 minutes.

At least the toys were good, woo.

You know, the fact that they haven't been shown to have robot modes in any of the promotional material (other than toys, but those HAVE to transform) is starting to make me think that the Maximals aren't really going to do much other than die in the movie. Like I'm positive Wheeljack is going to say a few lines and then die too because he hasn't really been shown much. But the Maximals I'm almost positive are going to just all die before the movie ends. I have no proof or anything, just a feeling.

Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

It's pretty obvious by this stage Optimus Prime and Bumblebee have been popping on and off Earth for a fair while so it's quite common for them to take different alts. Robot mode is tied into the alt mode so when Wheeljack comes to Earth he scans Pablo-van and that alters his look. At some point between now and the previous movies, something bad happens to Arcee that sees her split into three, or some other easily explained bullshit.

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again establish that these movies are barely continuous.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.

Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie.

Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.

Indeed. Misremembered the dealership scene. Wherein they poked fun at the VW beetle, next to BB. To be fair, it's probably been at least ten years since I sat through '07 or any other Bayformers really.

It's funny though. Because they went back and forth with BB as spin-off, prequel or reboot. Then said it was a reboot and now they are saying ROTB isn't.

You should read the article you posted, they didn't call it a reboot, that's just fan interpretation of generic corporate speak which was never even made official.

Burn wrote:Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

...

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again established that these movies are barely continuous.

That's basically just the plot of the Netflix Kingdom cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

...

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again established that these movies are barely continuous.

That's basically just the plot of the Netflix Kingdom cartoon.

Hence why I'm not expecting anything overly original, but just a rework of things that have already occurred in other media.

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

...

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again established that these movies are barely continuous.

That's basically just the plot of the Netflix Kingdom cartoon.

Hence why I'm not expecting anything overly original, but just a rework of things that have already occurred in other media.

And I don't even think you'll get that.

The reality is they just give us one film at a time and if something works, they go with that, if it doesn't, they drop it. They keep connectivy with other films through themes and looks not to alienate anyone from the multiple billion dollar franchise but arent beholden to any storyline or continuity among films.

That is their way.

First-Aid wrote:Sentinel was nothing but rage, anger, and betrayal. I can't blame him for that at all. He betrayed him and killed his best friend in cold Energon,

Ironhide? You mean the guy who practically dropped off the face of the Earth after his death scene? The Autobot who didn't even get the brief moment of mourning that Jazz got? Not even during his actual death scene in front of his comrades? Optimus seemed to care about Ironhide as much as the film did...

But I suppose ruthless shotgun executions of begging, defeated opponents is the type of retribution that children watching these films should be learning an example from, what an icon.

They really should of made his killing of Sentinel framed more like self defense as it was portrayed in the adaptations of the film instead of blowing his brains out with a shotgun as it lingered on Sentinel's corpse and I'm saying this as someone who's mostly fine with murder Prime in other scenarios since at least he was killing in active combat against opponents who are resilient to wounds that would kill a human.

Still though maybe we should be having him be more clean and efficient like he was in Bumblebee where he was simply shooting Decepticons without going Mortal Kombat about it.

Well, looks like the Rise of the Beasts film is leaving no surprises for the film, putting Unicron right at the centre of this new trailer as the main antagonist, rather than Scourge. We also finally have a look at Nightbird in action and the army of Scorponoks. There is a severe lack of Maximals in robot mode though. We also have a new poster to share with you of the whole team of good guys except for Wheeljack (who does have fins in the film).

unicron is coming. thats it. no turning back . worst continuity in film of all time.

I’m gonna just leave this here.

So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.

Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.

Nexus Knight wrote:So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.

Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.

That's just continuity for ya.

Nexus Knight wrote:So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.

Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.

Could pull a TF:Prime where his essence was pulled into the earth or alternatively Unicron came from the future, potentially the same one that the rumored Scourge being Bayverse/2007-TLK Optimus leak which might or might not be true but considering leak after leak after leak has turned out to be true it's quite possible.


The most jarring question is how the hell can Earth face Unicron here and then pretend Transformers never showed up until 2007, a Planet-sized dude is kinda hard to cover up even for Sector 7.

This is of course unless Rise of the Beasts pulls an X-Men Days of Future Past to reset the timeline in a new direction effectively retconning 2007-TLK or at least branching out into a new timeline.


I think Paramount's going for a literal reboot sequel, aka they want their Energon cake and eat it too.

I stopped following the Bayverse films some time ago. So much potential, so much squandered so they could pander to the lowest common denominator. Every time their team tries to inject 'personality' into a Transformer character, it winds up as pure, concentrated cringe.

Spoiler: the end of the movie has Unicron getting sucked into the Earth. The sucking unfortunately takes all the Beast TFs with it and has an unexpected time warp in that he got sucked back to when earth was Pangaea.Also the sucking has an amnesiatic side effect on all humans and Transformers on earth. This why in TLK, Prime had no idea Earth was Unicron.

There all fixed

Unicron being in this movie makes me think they're doing a sort of "half-way" reboot-prequel that only acknowledges one or two past movies as canon and ignores everything else. Slasher movie franchises do this a lot, Halloween is notorious for it, being like a Choose Your Own Adventure book with the various timelines at this point, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre does it too. It seems like Rise of the Beasts is at the very least ignoring The Last Knight, and possibly Age of Extinction too, which I don't mind too much.

Trailer looked pretty cool, seems like it'll at least have some good action scenes. Kinda surprised they jumped to the biggest bad of them all with Unicron, though. I just hope it's executed decently enough. I'm very much okay with TLK being ignored, and hopefully AoE as well.
I'm not the biggest continuity nut anyway...

Also huh, I didn't notice Wheeljack does indeed get some head fins, seems like they're trying to marry the Cybertron scene with the later DotM Que look.

I don't know why people are that surprised. The phrase "Transformers Continuity" has almost always been an oxymoron.

Immortal Starscream wrote:I don't know why people are that surprised. The phrase "Transformers Continuity" has almost always been an oxymoron.

I'd have thought the hydra that is the Japanese G1 "Continuity" would've made more people realise this, heh.

Everyone has their own view. But for me, until Car Robots/Rid there were basically only 2 continuities. The Marvel Comic, and Marvel/Sunbow animated series.

UK, & G2 comics were part of Marvel comics continuity.

All the Japanese series, Manga, as well as BW and BM could be tied to the original Sunbow series. It wasn't *perfect* but it made a heck of a lot more sense than the live action films.

Sure in the 21st century we have literally dozens of TF continuities now, but nobody is saying they Are all in the same universe. We acknowledge they are all different.

It's just certain producers at Paramount trying to say all the live action films take place in the same continuity when that clearly isn't possible.

how can you do unicron twice? does he get absorbed into the planet at the end or something? mirage said hes is bigger than the planet.