New Galleries: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble and AM-31 Frenzy

Wow, that foot swap really makes the toy look better. Great idea!

They look real nice.

Funny how Frenzy's bio notes how he gets enraged off by folks mistaking him for Rumble (as a nod to Hasbro's Rumble being blue).

Sabrblade wrote:They look real nice.

Funny how Frenzy's bio notes how he gets enraged off by folks mistaking him for Rumble (as a nod to Hasbro's Rumble being blue).

Frenzy is blue and Rumble is red in my book. The original toys were that way and the Japanese version of G1 (Super Robot Lifeform Transformers) had them correctly named as well. Everything else, including the US cartoon and anything that follows is just a continued screw-up.

US cartoon blue Rumble will always be Rumble to me even though I know his toy is reversed and that the cartoon is incorrect. It just works better that way since Rumble's got his piledrivers for "rumbling".

This could all be rectified by a simple fictional explanation that says that Rumble and Frenzy can switch colors to confuse the enemy or something silly.

Kudos to Takara for sticking to their guns on this release.

Frenzy-sorry, Rumble (they got the names wrong!) reminds me an awful lot of Gurren-Lagann.

Seibertron wrote:Frenzy is red and Rumble is blue in my book. The original toys were that way and the Japanese version of G1 (Super Robot Lifeform Transformers) had them correctly named as well. Everything else, including the US cartoon and anything that follows is just a continued screw-up.

My brain is trying to make sense of this, but it's difficult.

The first sentence looks okay, as it implies you prefer the cartoon's FIRRIB choice.

The second sentence, however, looks like your saying that the original toys and Japanese version also used FIRRIB like the cartoon, when they used RIRFIB instead.

The third sentence looks like you disapprove of the cartoon's use and any other use of FIRRIB, which contradicts the first sentence's liking FIRRIB.


I can tell that you are trying to make a very passionate and intelligent point here, but it's a bit lost in the confusion of this paragraph.

To me, Frenzy is silver and hyperactive and Rumble is blue and dimwitted.

I prefer the "super robot anime" styling Hasbro's... blue guy has to the more overtly G1-but-in-Prime's-aesthetic Takara's pair have, but I really like the color scheme of... the red one (I'm a sucker for red+black+gold).
I wonder if Hasbro will ever release a... the red one. A prototype briefly appeared on TFW (and evidently taken down because Hasbro reported it as stolen), but they don't seem to have plans for one in BH, and obviously PRiD is done. Hopefully one day it gets released.

Dammit. I was hoping I could get away with not ordering these, but once again Seibertron's galleries come to Takara's rescue. They look very awesome together, all stickered up.

And good eye on the foot mod. Makes a world of difference.

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Frenzy is red and Rumble is blue in my book. The original toys were that way and the Japanese version of G1 (Super Robot Lifeform Transformers) had them correctly named as well. Everything else, including the US cartoon and anything that follows is just a continued screw-up.

My brain is trying to make sense of this, but it's difficult.

The first sentence looks okay, as it implies you prefer the cartoon's FIRRIB choice.

The second sentence, however, looks like your saying that the original toys and Japanese version also used FIRRIB like the cartoon, when they used RIRFIB instead.

The third sentence looks like you disapprove of the cartoon's use and any other use of FIRRIB, which contradicts the first sentence's liking FIRRIB.


I can tell that you are trying to make a very passionate and intelligent point here, but it's a bit lost in the confusion of this paragraph.

Sorry ... wrote that right before bed. Meant to say "Frenzy is blue and Rumble is red in my book". I corrected my original post. Now everything I wrote should make sense.

Aw, hell, I'll get all three eventually. AM Rumble and Frenzy can join the rogues, while RiD Rumble can play with Dead End.

And before anyone asks, the ideal solution for the RiRFiB debate (silly as it is), is this: RiBFiB

Sodan-1 wrote:Dammit. I was hoping I could get away with not ordering these, but once again Seibertron's galleries come to Takara's rescue. They look very awesome together, all stickered up.

And good eye on the foot mod. Makes a world of difference.

Thanks!

I was surprised to see that the foot mod didn't seem to be well known or hadn't been discovered yet. Just gives them feet that look far more traditional and appropriate for these characters and let's them stand out from Hasbro's Rumble.

Seibertron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They look real nice.

Funny how Frenzy's bio notes how he gets enraged off by folks mistaking him for Rumble (as a nod to Hasbro's Rumble being blue).

Frenzy is blue and Rumble is red in my book. The original toys were that way and the Japanese version of G1 (Super Robot Lifeform Transformers) had them correctly named as well. Everything else, including the US cartoon and anything that follows is just a continued screw-up.

US cartoon blue Rumble will always be Rumble to me even though I know his toy is reversed and that the cartoon is incorrect. It just works better that way since Rumble's got his piledrivers for "rumbling".

This could all be rectified by a simple fictional explanation that says that Rumble and Frenzy can switch colors to confuse the enemy or something silly.

Kudos to Takara for sticking to their guns on this release.

I only have the Hasbro one, but despite the name on the box I constantly call it Frenzy. It's like ingrained in my brain that FIB.

Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

Well, my reason isn't particularly compelling, but RiRFiB largely because the acronym works better that way.

Seibertron wrote:

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.

Seibertron wrote:Sorry ... wrote that right before bed. Meant to say "Frenzy is blue and Rumble is red in my book". I corrected my original post. Now everything I wrote should make sense.

LOL, mo worries, man.


Re:The FIRRIB vs. RIRFIB discussion - As for my stance, I was originally strictly FIRRIB since the cartoon was the first I had ever seen of these two characters and I followed just that story for a good long while. But, over time, I grew to just accept whatever coloring used by each medium as the correct one for that version.

Like, in the cartoon, it is correct to say that Rumble is the blue/purple one. But in the Marvel comics, it is correct to say that he is the black/red one. Same with the toys, the Japanese version, the Dreamwave comics, the IDW comics etc.

Whatever colors they go with, I say it's fair to call those the right colors for the characters in just that version, as there sadly is no universally correct answer to this. Sure, this would have all been easier had the cartoon not made the switch, but it's what we're stuck with.

El Duque wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.

But Takara was just following what they've always done in that case. Rumble and Frenzy have never had the their colors swapped in the Japanese media, so Japan has always been RIRFIB from the beginning.

Hasbro, however, has been moving more towards FIRRIB lately ever since their canceled Reveal the Shield Scout class Demolition Rumble figure being blue/purple. Once Hasbro's American release of Masterpiece Soundwave comes out, the names of the Rumble and Frenzy MP toys may be switched around from how Takara named them, especially since how the MP toys are very show-accurate and the American version of the cartoon used FIRRIB.

El Duque wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.

I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on

Arctorro wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.

I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on

Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.

Seibertron wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.

I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on

Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.

Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.

Arctorro wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.

It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.

I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.

I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on

Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.

Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.

Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.

Seibertron wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.

Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.

Again, don't care As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.

I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?

Arctorro wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.

Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.

Again, don't care As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.

I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?

The moral of the story is: sentimentality and nostalgia trump rational facts. Every. Single. Time.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.

Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.

Again, don't care As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.

I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?

The moral of the story is: sentimentality and nostalgia trump rational facts. Every. Single. Time.

Oh hell yes!

Rationality, facts, logic... These are things that never work with me

Seibertron wrote:Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.

Except that their version came after ours. Their toys were RIRFIB because Hasbro's originally were, and the Japanese cartoon dub made the switch to their names to avoid the same confusion in the West. But nowadays, Hasbro's been leaning more towards FIRRIB with all of their current Rumble toys being blue and their Frenzy toys being red. It's very possible that the Hasbro MP Soundwave release could have Rumble and Frenzy named in a FIRRIB manner to reflect their current viewpoint.

Plus, the characters were created and owned by Hasbro originally, so shouldn't they have the final say for who's who in the English version?

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Then again, I'm probably thinking much differently about this than most since I don't see the Japanese character counterparts as being the same exact individuals as their English-speaking counterparts. For instance, while I do recognize Optimus Prime and Convoy as being two versions of the same basic character concept, I don't see them as being the exact same person. Like, while Optimus Prime lived on through the events of "The Rebirth", Convoy instead perished in the beginning acts of "The Headmasters".

So I guess for me, it's fine for Japanese Rumble and Japanese Frenzy to be RIRFIB, as, to me, it doesn't necessarily affect whatever colors American Rumble and American Frenzy are.

Note to IDW: Please come up with some fiction that explains these two color swapping Decepticon brothers! Thanks.

Seibertron wrote:Note to IDW: Please come up with some fiction that explains these two color swapping Decepticon brothers! Thanks.

Wasn't there a quip in Dreamwave's comics where one character asked "Which one is which?"
The response went along the lines of "Don't ask me, they can't keep it straight either"

Seibertron.com is pleased to bring you yet another Transformers Prime gallery! After yesterday's gallery of Hasbro's Transformers Prime Robots in Disguise Sergeant Kup it's time to see Takara Tomy's take on the mold with Arms Micron AM-20 Ironhide. The figure features a new red deco, the line's signature stickers, and the Arms Micron figure Iro. Check any of the images or links below for the full galleries.

Arms Micron Ironhide










Arms Micron Iro

Basically, I guess what I'm trying to say about the Takara MP versions, why should what one of the Japanese versions do dictate what goes on in the many different English versions? Most English stuff doesn't even acknowledge a good chunk of the Japanese-only stuff anyway.

Since I passed on the Hasbro mold several years ago, this may actually make a pretty good Ironhide for my Classics... shelf. The grin is a little cheesy but other than that, looks good.

Of course, we all know that the truth is that Frenzy is silver and Rumble doesn't exist.

Another FIRRIB RIRFIB conversation. Awesome. Because preaching to the converted is really going to change their opinion after all this time.

Delta Magnus wrote:Of course, we all know that the truth is that Frenzy is silver and Rumble doesn't exist.

ROTF Rumble:

Sinnertwin wrote:Another FIRRIB RIRFIB conversation. Awesome. Because preaching to the converted is really going to change their opinion after all this time.

I think everyone's doing alright in this discussion. No hard feelings here!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Heck, I'm even a flip-flopper on the issue. I used to be on the FIRRIB boat long ago before I changed to FIBRIR way of thinking.

I'm on neither FIRRIB nor RIRFIB anyway. I'm on the side of FIRISCABIORIBISCARIO.

"Frenzy is red in some continuities and blue in others, Rumble is blue in some continuities and red in others"

Sabrblade wrote:I'm on neither FIRRIB nor RIRFIB anyway. I'm on the side of FIRISCABIORIBISCARIO.

"Frenzy is red in some continuities and blue in others, Rumble is blue in some continuities and red in others"

Too complicated. I'm of the FIBRIBEIR persuasion: Frenzy is Black/Blue, Rumble is Black/Blue, Enemy is Red

Cool mod! Will definitely be doing that to my set.

We're pleased to announce that Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Deluxe Wave 3 has been added the galleries! This wave features the latest dragon to join the Predacon ranks, Skystalker, Dreadwing's debut in the Deluxe Class complete with Beast Hunters armor, and last but not least the heavily retooled Beast Hunters Ratchet. Enjoy the full galleries by click any of the links or images found below.


Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Skystalker






Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Dreadwing






Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Ratchet

Dreadwing and Ratchet are a mess of weird concepts and weirder colors, while I'll never get over how all the mainline Predacons pretty much do the same exact thing as each other. There could at least be dragon head(s) that turn into robot hand(s) or legs that swap into the arms' position (or vice-versa) or something.

Skystalker just isn't worth the price. I'd rather commit to much better molds, like the Thrilling 30 line.

Might get Dreadwing, only for the sake of getting Dreadwing in toy form. Y'know, since he never even made one appearance at any of my local retailers.

Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert.

I notice that Grimwing is on the site's banner. Does that mean we're getting galleries of him and Ultra Magnus too?

Mindmaster wrote:Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert.

As much as I don't want to defend that AWFUL retool, look at the drill...now paint most of it gold. They missed a prime chance at another Gurren Lagann homage with that one.

RAcast wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert.

As much as I don't want to defend that AWFUL retool, look at the drill...now paint most of it gold. They missed a prime chance at another Gurren Lagann homage with that one.

Instead, we get two Beast Wars Dinobot homages in one (regular Dinobot and Transmetal 2 Dinobot).

Sabrblade wrote:

RAcast wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert.

As much as I don't want to defend that AWFUL retool, look at the drill...now paint most of it gold. They missed a prime chance at another Gurren Lagann homage with that one.

Instead, we get two Beast Wars Dinobot homages in one (regular Dinobot and Transmetal 2 Dinobot).

The weapon (regular Beast Wars Dinobot) and the head (Beast Wars Dinobot II), if there's no one who gets it.

I noticed, just didn't feel like pointing out.

As I look at Ratchet more and more, this thought comes to me: you know what he really looks like to me?



Not sure why the first Ratchet mold doesn't remind me of Team Fortress 2's the Medic, but Beast Hunters does.

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RAcast wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert.

As much as I don't want to defend that AWFUL retool, look at the drill...now paint most of it gold. They missed a prime chance at another Gurren Lagann homage with that one.

Instead, we get two Beast Wars Dinobot homages in one (regular Dinobot and Transmetal 2 Dinobot).

The weapon (regular Beast Wars Dinobot) and the head (Beast Wars Dinobot II), if there's no one who gets it.

I noticed, just didn't feel like pointing out.

As I look at Ratchet more and more, this thought comes to me: you know what he really looks like to me?



Not sure why the first Ratchet mold doesn't remind me of Team Fortress 2's the Medic, but Beast Hunters does.

The homage could have been done REALLY well, it truly could have. But instead of making the character Dinobot/II, they tried to make it...RatchetBot one-and-a-half.

Didn't I see Dreadwing in Galaxy Quest?

No side-by-side pics with Beast Wars Dinobot in the galleries ?

Sabrblade wrote:

RAcast wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert.

As much as I don't want to defend that AWFUL retool, look at the drill...now paint most of it gold. They missed a prime chance at another Gurren Lagann homage with that one.

Instead, we get two Beast Wars Dinobot homages in one (regular Dinobot and Transmetal 2 Dinobot).

Not to mention the Beast Machines Silverbolt nods with Dreadwing. Here's hoping to some fun repaints later down the road.

Seibertron wrote:Not to mention the Beast Machines Silverbolt nods with Dreadwing.

Didn't know that one.

xyl360 wrote:No side-by-side pics with Beast Wars Dinobot in the galleries ?

Unfortunately no. I'm unable to do all of the homages and comparison pics while I'm behind on galleries right now. Now that I've got the latest Beast Hunters galleries all set, I'll move onto the latest Beast Hunters Cyberverse galleries next (most notably Abominus!) as well as finishing up TFP RID Dreadwing, Skyquake, Ultra Magnus, AM Ultra Magnus, Thundertron, Leo Prime, Cyberverse Ultra Magnus and Cyberverse Skyquake.

Plus I've got the Beast Wars Dinobots in my storage unit at the moment.

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Not to mention the Beast Machines Silverbolt nods with Dreadwing.

Didn't know that one.

His character model would show the feet and the "wings" nod better than the poorly executed toy will. Anyone have a good character model of Beast Machines Silverbolt handy?