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New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue

Transformers News: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue

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Via our usual source for news on weibo, user tf-factory / 淘宝店变形金刚改造工厂, we have a look at a Voyager class figure first seen at Hascon 2017 from the upcoming toyline for Transformers: Power of the Primes - the Chosen One and Supreme Ruler of Cybertron: Starscream! Shown in the mirrored images in both stock photography for robot and jet mode, plus an in-package shot, we get to see the totally-not-combiner foot/hand parts, the Prime Master and Null Ray guns.

Also, via Facebook page Planet Iacon, we have an image from a Malaysian toy catalogue featuring the initial promotion for the line, featuring Deluxe figures Jazz and Slug, plus Leader class Optimus Prime and Rodimus Prime in and out of package, and a confirmation that the toys will be hitting retail (in some markets at least) this December - that's next month! Check it all out below!

Transformers News: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue

Transformers News: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue

Transformers News: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue

Transformers News: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue
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Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919551)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on November 2nd, 2017 @ 4:24pm CDT
Yeah, so I won't be using those particular combiner feet in robot mode. Or plane mode.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919552)
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2017 @ 4:25pm CDT
So....Cybertron/Galaxy Force homage for the shoulder armor, huh? He's a rather chunky Starscream, for sure, but part of me want him due to having no Starscream in my collection yet. Still think that mold would shine best as Leozack and/or Skyquake, however. Or Nominus Prime's earth mode (unlikely to happen but, hey, customs!).
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919554)
Posted by Kurona on November 2nd, 2017 @ 4:33pm CDT
Starscream has combiner ports?! Woah! Gasp! Amazement! Unorthodox!
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919559)
Posted by StJudeDad on November 2nd, 2017 @ 4:53pm CDT
I'm probably really late to the party on this, but do we know if those new PotP combiner feet will work with the Combiner Wars figures?
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919561)
Posted by Rysquad on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:00pm CDT
StJudeDad wrote:I'm probably really late to the party on this, but do we know if those new PotP combiner feet will work with the Combiner Wars figures?


It's a 5mm peg, right? It should.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919562)
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:03pm CDT
You know what I want to see pics of once people have that voyager figure? Starscream with Bruticus limbs (Brawl, Vortex, Swindle and Blastoff). If he isn't getting a dedicated Seekers limb set, it seems like they would be the best match for him.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919564)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:05pm CDT
Skritz wrote:So....Cybertron/Galaxy Force homage for the shoulder armor, huh?
I'm pretty sure that those are just supposed to be his null rays. Cybertron Starscream's special shoulder things were swords, and it doesn't look like the null rays flip out here like the swords did.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919567)
Posted by Cobotron on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:13pm CDT
I got a bad feeling about all those stickers all over his wings. :BANG_HEAD:

Other than that I'm liking him more the more I see him.
I like a chunky bot!
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919569)
Posted by ExciKaiser on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:19pm CDT
StJudeDad wrote:I'm probably really late to the party on this, but do we know if those new PotP combiner feet will work with the Combiner Wars figures?

Same 5mm port.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919571)
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:24pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Skritz wrote:So....Cybertron/Galaxy Force homage for the shoulder armor, huh?
I'm pretty sure that those are just supposed to be his null rays. Cybertron Starscream's special shoulder things were swords, and it doesn't look like the null rays flip out here like the swords did.


True, but seeing such huge mass on a Starscream shoulders remind me instantly of his Galaxy Force/Cybertron design. Granted, in this case it's an optional part.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919572)
Posted by Quantum Surge on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:27pm CDT
The Generations line hasn't caught my attention lately unlike back in 2010-15, but I really like the look of this Starscream design! If I could get the Wave 1 Aerialbots, I would give Superion the new combiner feet.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919578)
Posted by Rated X on November 2nd, 2017 @ 5:53pm CDT
Why must hasbro continue to ruin the toys with stickers? Go back to tampos...
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919581)
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on November 2nd, 2017 @ 6:03pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Why must hasbro continue to ruin the toys with stickers? Go back to tampos...


But but! The detail!

.... Seriously though. DEFINITELY prefer my designs to last longer(tampos) rather than have a lot of -
usually excessive - detail(stickers).
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919582)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 2nd, 2017 @ 6:07pm CDT
No shots of Screamer in torso mode? :( If (big IF) I do get him, he'll be strictly torso. Both the bot and the plane modes look like sh*t.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919587)
Posted by KVO Prime on November 2nd, 2017 @ 6:34pm CDT
Waiting for the inevitable Takara better deco
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919589)
Posted by fruityrobo on November 2nd, 2017 @ 6:38pm CDT
Why couldn't the weapons in the Last Knight have detachable weapons? for megatron leader class, or even nitro? UGH
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919592)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on November 2nd, 2017 @ 6:49pm CDT
fruityrobo wrote:Why couldn't the weapons in the Last Knight have detachable weapons? for megatron leader class, or even nitro? UGH

How is this related to Power of the Primes?
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919597)
Posted by Skritz on November 2nd, 2017 @ 7:58pm CDT
You know, the odds of it happening are pretty slim but I'd love to see an aerialbot heavy retool into Seekers limbs for Starscream. Possibly using the tooling for the CW Ghost Starscream and/or Armada Thrust. Won't happen, I'm sure, but let's be honest Starscream-as-a-combiner should be either with Combaticons or Seekers.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919601)
Posted by King Kuuga on November 2nd, 2017 @ 8:13pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:My experience is similar. I had a strong inclination to get T30 Metroplex when it first came out,since selling all my original collection in 2007, I had no reason to start up again feeling that this was going to be just a "one off" of a classic character I liked. My son was getting random movie and animated toys, but not a huge collection since he was only 7 at the time (now he's 11). I was unable to find Metroplex at retail and that was that.

Then in 2014 at Botcon when Menasor & Superion were revealed for CW for 2015, it raised an eyebrow, but then I figured there would be only those two, and that's it. It was not until CW was in full swing, and almost ending I took the plunge, and UW cemented it for me. I'm glad I did. Including all TR and PotP reveals thus far, we are only a few characters away from what I would consider a faithful recreation of my original collection, and we've gotten some nice new ones along the way.

I'm glad TT is rereleasing Metroplex. I'm not thrilled with the price, but its better than what I would have to pay on eBay for the T30 one at this point.

See, what you've done here is turn my complaint that the figures are essentially the G1 figures with more articulation, and turned it into "I like the new lines because we're getting all the toys I used to have."
If they had been more aesthetically unique (to be fair, some of the stunticons are), but the same roster of characters, would you still have been as interested? My money is on "yes". And the complaint was most specifically to do with the people conjecturing about Scorponok and Omega Supreme, based on the look and function of their G1 toys. I am reasonably certain that new renditions of those figures will need to be more unique from the originals to function well. No partsforming OS, no giant scorpion backpack, no mountain of accessories that are only useful in one mode.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919611)
Posted by Prime Target on November 2nd, 2017 @ 9:19pm CDT
I'm getting more excited about POTP every time more news comes out about it! :D I don't like the Thicc arms but other than that i'm loving this fig so far the HFG/feet/hands will be in a bag until we get a confirmation on the full combiner. Please Hasbro for all that is good and holy repaint this into Skywarp and Thundercracker 8-). Also for all that is good and holy release them here in my area in Australia this Xmas!
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919612)
Posted by Prime Target on November 2nd, 2017 @ 9:25pm CDT
King Kuuga wrote:
o.supreme wrote:My experience is similar. I had a strong inclination to get T30 Metroplex when it first came out,since selling all my original collection in 2007, I had no reason to start up again feeling that this was going to be just a "one off" of a classic character I liked. My son was getting random movie and animated toys, but not a huge collection since he was only 7 at the time (now he's 11). I was unable to find Metroplex at retail and that was that.

Then in 2014 at Botcon when Menasor & Superion were revealed for CW for 2015, it raised an eyebrow, but then I figured there would be only those two, and that's it. It was not until CW was in full swing, and almost ending I took the plunge, and UW cemented it for me. I'm glad I did. Including all TR and PotP reveals thus far, we are only a few characters away from what I would consider a faithful recreation of my original collection, and we've gotten some nice new ones along the way.

I'm glad TT is rereleasing Metroplex. I'm not thrilled with the price, but its better than what I would have to pay on eBay for the T30 one at this point.

See, what you've done here is turn my complaint that the figures are essentially the G1 figures with more articulation, and turned it into "I like the new lines because we're getting all the toys I used to have."
If they had been more aesthetically unique (to be fair, some of the stunticons are), but the same roster of characters, would you still have been as interested? My money is on "yes". And the complaint was most specifically to do with the people conjecturing about Scorponok and Omega Supreme, based on the look and function of their G1 toys. I am reasonably certain that new renditions of those figures will need to be more unique from the originals to function well. No partsforming OS, no giant scorpion backpack, no mountain of accessories that are only useful in one mode.



That's what they did for Fort Max and Trypticon wasn't it? and no I don't think anyone can do a good Omega without at least a little Partsforming even FT Terminus Giganticus which is supposed to be an MP Omega couldn't do it.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919615)
Posted by bacem on November 2nd, 2017 @ 9:45pm CDT
King Kuuga wrote:
o.supreme wrote:My experience is similar. I had a strong inclination to get T30 Metroplex when it first came out,since selling all my original collection in 2007, I had no reason to start up again feeling that this was going to be just a "one off" of a classic character I liked. My son was getting random movie and animated toys, but not a huge collection since he was only 7 at the time (now he's 11). I was unable to find Metroplex at retail and that was that.

Then in 2014 at Botcon when Menasor & Superion were revealed for CW for 2015, it raised an eyebrow, but then I figured there would be only those two, and that's it. It was not until CW was in full swing, and almost ending I took the plunge, and UW cemented it for me. I'm glad I did. Including all TR and PotP reveals thus far, we are only a few characters away from what I would consider a faithful recreation of my original collection, and we've gotten some nice new ones along the way.

I'm glad TT is rereleasing Metroplex. I'm not thrilled with the price, but its better than what I would have to pay on eBay for the T30 one at this point.

See, what you've done here is turn my complaint that the figures are essentially the G1 figures with more articulation, and turned it into "I like the new lines because we're getting all the toys I used to have."
If they had been more aesthetically unique (to be fair, some of the stunticons are), but the same roster of characters, would you still have been as interested? My money is on "yes". And the complaint was most specifically to do with the people conjecturing about Scorponok and Omega Supreme, based on the look and function of their G1 toys. I am reasonably certain that new renditions of those figures will need to be more unique from the originals to function well. No partsforming OS, no giant scorpion backpack, no mountain of accessories that are only useful in one mode.


i don't think partsforming is avoidable for omega supreme. i mean, his alt more is practically 4 things: a track, a tank, a rocket, and a rocket docking. askingomega supreme to not split apart would be like asking overlord to not separate into a jet and a tank.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919623)
Posted by TulioDude on November 2nd, 2017 @ 10:50pm CDT
So....Cybertron/Galaxy Force homage for the shoulder armor, huh?

I can see that too.

Skritz wrote: He's a rather chunky Starscream, for sure, but part of me want him due to having no Starscream in my collection yet. Still think that mold would shine best as Leozack and/or Skyquake, however. Or Nominus Prime's earth mode (unlikely to happen but, hey, customs!).

That would be rather nice with the previous realeased Leo Kaiser set.


bacem wrote:i don't think partsforming is avoidable for omega supreme. i mean, his alt more is practically 4 things: a track, a tank, a rocket, and a rocket docking. askingomega supreme to not split apart would be like asking overlord to not separate into a jet and a tank.

Or they could the other route and adapt Animated Omega Supreme 8-)
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Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919633)
Posted by william-james88 on November 2nd, 2017 @ 11:56pm CDT
KVO Prime wrote:Waiting for the inevitable Takara better deco

Do you really feel the deco is the biggest problem with the toy?

Rodimus Prime wrote:No shots of Screamer in torso mode? :( If (big IF) I do get him, he'll be strictly torso. Both the bot and the plane modes look like sh*t.

Agreed, I cant believe I am passing on 2 voyagers in this line so far.

And here is how his torso mode will look like. While he is the small torso on the left, it is basically the same as Elita 1 with a few aesthetic changes.

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o.supreme wrote:It's in keeping with the Prime wars Trilogy, which I like...but we've seen this already, what I really want to see is the back.


The back shows nothing this time. Even the cross sells are just power masters

Here is Grimlock's back for isntance

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King Kuuga wrote:I know that's kind of Hasbro's modus operandi under Warden but they've proven their willingness to deviate when necessary, and I think Omega Supreme would mandate it. They're not going to sell a partsforming mess in 20XX. (I hope)


Man I wish we had the luxury to think this way, but before that we have to look at the cost angle. I wish we could complain about Fort Max being too G1, but instead his lack of having a G1 base mode (and robot mode artillery) is because they were reusing parts of Metroplex. If only he was less G1 because they were creative about his design and not because they were cheap.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919639)
Posted by King Kuuga on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:24am CDT
bacem wrote:i don't think partsforming is avoidable for omega supreme. i mean, his alt more is practically 4 things: a track, a tank, a rocket, and a rocket docking. askingomega supreme to not split apart would be like asking overlord to not separate into a jet and a tank.

See, that's my point. It's time to update Omega so he's not a jumble of parts that can either form a battle station or a robot. Make him some singular thing, or at least fewer things so you can get more transforming play value that isn't just reassembling disparate parts and maybe turning his head around. Overlord works because he's only two components. Omega could be 3 parts:: the wings make a track, his arms make the rocket, and the rest makes a tank or platform. Or they could ditch the wings completely and let him be a two-parter like Overlord. Or they could make him a giant spaceship like the Animated or WFC versions. Or they could do a giant battle train like Energon. There are options, and if anybody's going to not be beholden to how he worked in G1, it's this guy.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919668)
Posted by gothsaurus on November 3rd, 2017 @ 10:16am CDT
Thinking about their current play pattern, guessing the tank will be the headmaster portion. I could see them getting it down to three pieces like that. Wings are attached and fold out to tracks... rocket arm is kind of a trademark. I can't see them not going that route.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919677)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 3rd, 2017 @ 10:42am CDT
Well, I for one love the look of Starscream. He will be mine! though I doubt he'll be a torso, he looks good by himself, especially in bot mode. I do like the movie Scream reference in torso mode though. And you can put Windblade's titan master in his combiner feet with the enigma, for some weird IDW reference for the 2.

As for Omega, I really think they should go the animated route with that one. Animated made the most sense with him, and it looked really good too.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919678)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 10:45am CDT
TulioDude wrote:Or they could the other route and adapt Animated Omega Supreme 8-)


NO, it was ok for animated, but not for a classic Omega Supreme. I'm actually surprised a 3P company hasn't tried to make one especially since Hasbro never did.


King Kuuga wrote:See, that's my point. It's time to update Omega so he's not a jumble of parts that can either form a battle station or a robot. Make him some singular thing, or at least fewer things so you can get more transforming play value that isn't just reassembling disparate parts and maybe turning his head around. Overlord works because he's only two components. Omega could be 3 parts:: the wings make a track, his arms make the rocket, and the rest makes a tank or platform. Or they could ditch the wings completely and let him be a two-parter like Overlord. Or they could make him a giant spaceship like the Animated or WFC versions. Or they could do a giant battle train like Energon. There are options, and if anybody's going to not be beholden to how he worked in G1, it's this guy.


But see, any of those *updates* you are suggesting would no longer make him Omega Supreme. I don't see why parts forming is a bad thing anyway. Besides FT Terminus Giganticus has much more transforming than I ever thought could be done. I said earlier I seriously doubt Hasbro could do such a thing, but it would be awesome. If a Generatons rendition of Omega Supreme is to be made, he should resemble his original self in both modes, otherwise he is NOT Omega Supreme.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919681)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on November 3rd, 2017 @ 10:50am CDT
or maybe like Scorponok
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Omega'll be the same sort of thing
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or maybe a Legends class sized figure
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Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919682)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 10:54am CDT
ok, now you are just being hurtful, for the sake of being mean :( ;) .
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919709)
Posted by bluecatcinema on November 3rd, 2017 @ 2:30pm CDT
That extra bulk actually makes Starscream look quite formidable.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919712)
Posted by gothsaurus on November 3rd, 2017 @ 2:34pm CDT
Maybe I can talk myself into believing this is that powered up Starscream from the Underbase comic saga. Gotta check to see how big that guy's feet were in the comic.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919721)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 3:03pm CDT
King Kuuga wrote:
bacem wrote:i don't think partsforming is avoidable for omega supreme. i mean, his alt more is practically 4 things: a track, a tank, a rocket, and a rocket docking. askingomega supreme to not split apart would be like asking overlord to not separate into a jet and a tank.

See, that's my point. It's time to update Omega so he's not a jumble of parts that can either form a battle station or a robot. Make him some singular thing, or at least fewer things so you can get more transforming play value that isn't just reassembling disparate parts and maybe turning his head around. Overlord works because he's only two components. Omega could be 3 parts:: the wings make a track, his arms make the rocket, and the rest makes a tank or platform. Or they could ditch the wings completely and let him be a two-parter like Overlord. Or they could make him a giant spaceship like the Animated or WFC versions. Or they could do a giant battle train like Energon. There are options, and if anybody's going to not be beholden to how he worked in G1, it's this guy.


Which is why I think the Sky Shadow remold works. G1 is awesome. But I think it's time to see other areas of fiction get updates.

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Maybe just go one-step up and re-do the legs/tank so that it can combine better with the jet and hold more Titan/Prime Masters.

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You end up with a jet that can haul multiple passengers and also doesn't leave behind pieces, a base mode similar enough to G1, and a robot mode that refreshes the character.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919726)
Posted by King Kuuga on November 3rd, 2017 @ 3:10pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:But see, any of those *updates* you are suggesting would no longer make him Omega Supreme. I don't see why parts forming is a bad thing anyway. Besides FT Terminus Giganticus has much more transforming than I ever thought could be done. I said earlier I seriously doubt Hasbro could do such a thing, but it would be awesome. If a Generatons rendition of Omega Supreme is to be made, he should resemble his original self in both modes, otherwise he is NOT Omega Supreme.

If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919728)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 3:31pm CDT
King Kuuga wrote:
o.supreme wrote:But see, any of those *updates* you are suggesting would no longer make him Omega Supreme. I don't see why parts forming is a bad thing anyway. Besides FT Terminus Giganticus has much more transforming than I ever thought could be done. I said earlier I seriously doubt Hasbro could do such a thing, but it would be awesome. If a Generatons rendition of Omega Supreme is to be made, he should resemble his original self in both modes, otherwise he is NOT Omega Supreme.

If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.


To me, it's the evolution. Honestly, I wouldn't want a parts-former just because the G1 Omega Supreme was a parts-former. It's 2017. We have the engineering to do better. Give him the look and feel of G1, add some characteristics from Animated.

It's sort of like how since Animated, Ultra Magnus has to have a hammer as a weapon now.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919731)
Posted by gothsaurus on November 3rd, 2017 @ 3:34pm CDT
Yeah, the design for this toy was NOT by the Transformers (or Diaclone, etc.) teams. It was by ToyBox called Mechabot 1. That's why the design is so different — and the explanation for him parts forming instead of transforming.

The Takara/Hasbro teams can do a lot better than that now. Placing my faith in them for an awesome new toy with very little parts forming.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919732)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 3:39pm CDT
King Kuuga wrote:If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.


Again, that's Your opinion. But none of those things you describe would make him LOOK Like Omega Supreme. The Fan made Sky Shadow looks cool, but it doesn't look like, and is not, Omega Supreme. None of the other Generaitons characters have had radically as drastic changes, I don't know why Omega Supreme should be an exception.

If you want to make an argument for Tablet (formerly cassette bots), fine. I am not as big a fan of them, but if a Hardcore Soundwave/Blaster fan is not pleased with the changes, I would not find their opinion invalid.

And again, While I don't mind Parts forming. I can take it or leave it. FT Version is amazing and has a ton of transformation while keeping it faithful to the original.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919734)
Posted by steals_your_goats on November 3rd, 2017 @ 3:46pm CDT
I'm with o.supreme. If I'm going to buy a generations Omega Supreme I want him to actually LOOK like Omega Supreme. I never liked the practice of "updating" figures by giving them different designs or alt modes. Their design is what makes them who they are. I mean just look at the new Optimus Primal that's coming out. How much belly aching was there because he won't turn into a gorilla? Just because the G1 designs are old doesn't mean they need to be replaced.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919737)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:06pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.


Again, that's Your opinion. But none of those things you describe would make him LOOK Like Omega Supreme. The Fan made Sky Shadow looks cool, but it doesn't look like, and is not, Omega Supreme. None of the other Generaitons characters have had radically as drastic changes, I don't know why Omega Supreme should be an exception.

If you want to make an argument for Tablet (formerly cassette bots), fine. I am not as big a fan of them, but if a Hardcore Soundwave/Blaster fan is not pleased with the changes, I would not find their opinion invalid.

And again, While I don't mind Parts forming. I can take it or leave it. FT Version is amazing and has a ton of transformation while keeping it faithful to the original.



Generations has made radically drastic changes to G1 characters. We have Megatrons that don't turn into guns. We have triple changers released with two modes instead of three. We have characters that weren't triple changers with updated to be triple changers. We have characters that weren't combiners that can now combine. We have characters that weren't Headmasters that now have Titan Master partners. We will soon have a Dinobot Combiner when, in my opinion, one of the best things about the G1 Dinobot team is that they didn't need to be a Combiner to go up against the likes of Devastator and other Decepticon Combiners.

At the end of the day though, whatever Hasbro or Takara releases as Omega Supreme is Omega Supreme. It doesn't matter if you, or I, or anyone else that disagrees with the Hasbro/Takara decision. You do not determine who is and isn't Omega Supreme for anyone else but yourself. Your headcannon isn't cannon but that doesn't stop you from making Terminus Giganticus your Omega Supreme.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919738)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:16pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:No shots of Screamer in torso mode? :( If (big IF) I do get him, he'll be strictly torso. Both the bot and the plane modes look like sh*t.

Agreed, I cant believe I am passing on 2 voyagers in this line so far.

And here is how his torso mode will look like. While he is the small torso on the left, it is basically the same as Elita 1 with a few aesthetic changes.

Image


Can't wait to see photos of the Ghost Starscream headmaster from the Legends Octane placed in there. Ghost Starscream gets a body!
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919739)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:20pm CDT
Rysquad wrote:We have Megatrons that don't turn into guns.


Which I don't care for, and don't own.

Rysquad wrote: We have triple changers released with two modes instead of three.


Never heard of this. If I saw one, however I would not purchase it.

Rysquad wrote:At the end of the day though, whatever Hasbro or Takara releases as Omega Supreme is Omega Supreme. It doesn't matter if you, or I, or anyone else that disagrees with the Hasbro/Takara decision. You do not determine who is and isn't Omega Supreme. Your headcannon isn't cannon but that doesn't stop you from making Terminus Giganticus your Omega Supreme.


It appears what you want is a NEW character, a NEW Omega Supreme, and that's fine. If Hasbro decides to develop one for Cybermissions, or the Live Action Movies, or at any point in the future for any of their new brand,. That is fine. Make all the new versions in new continuities you want.

However, None of us can foresee the future, but I'm pretty sure based on as you say, this current design team, we would not see a Generations Omega Supreme that was not faithful to the original. If by some engineering miracle they could make the original Base Mode fully Transformable to look like its original Robot Self that would be amazing...I don't think its possible, but hey, I'm not a toy engineer. I'm pretty sure we wont be seeing one for a while. I bet the Hasbro design team is really glad Trypticon won the fan vote in 2016.(I voted for Tryp by the way...while Omega is my favorite character, I would have liked him as a toy last of those 3 simply because of the feasibility discussion we are having now). My gut tells me 2019 will be Scorponok, or maybe we wont have any titans at all...who knows.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919740)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:22pm CDT
ok we must all be Omega'd out with all this conversation by now

So....

what about Scorponok?(& I don't mean that TM that came with Grotusque)

I don't see anyone doing a Leader Class digibash of him ;)
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919741)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:27pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:ok we must all be Omega'd out with all this conversation by now

So....

what about Scorponok?(& I don't mean that TM that came with Grotusque)

I don't see anyone doing a Leader Class digibash of him ;)



Probably a bit more divisive, kind of like Fortress Maximus. You have comic book fans who would love a leader class sized Scorponok, then you have animation fans who would prefer a Titan Class figure...going to be hard to please the majority on that one since its so split.

I feel sorry for the Hasbro design team on that one... ;)
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919742)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:31pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
Rysquad wrote:We have Megatrons that don't turn into guns.


Which I don't care for, and don't own.


Which is fine. Doesn't change the fact that it's a drastic change from the original.

o.supreme wrote:
Rysquad wrote: We have triple changers released with two modes instead of three.


Never heard of this. If I saw one, however I would not purchase it.


There were Generations Springer and Sandstorm figures that weren't triple changers.

o.supreme wrote:
Rysquad wrote:At the end of the day though, whatever Hasbro or Takara releases as Omega Supreme is Omega Supreme. It doesn't matter if you, or I, or anyone else that disagrees with the Hasbro/Takara decision. You do not determine who is and isn't Omega Supreme. Your headcannon isn't cannon but that doesn't stop you from making Terminus Giganticus your Omega Supreme.


It appears what you want is a NEW character, a NEW Omega Supreme, and that's fine. If Hasbro decides to develop one for Cybermissions, or the Live Action Movies, or at any point in the future for any of their new brand,. That is fine. Make all the new versions in new continuities you want.

However, None of us can foresee the future, but I'm pretty sure based on as you say, this current design team, we would not see a Generations Omega Supreme that was not faithful to the original. If by some engineering miracle they could make the original Base Mode fully Transformable to look like its original Robot Self that would be amazing...I don't think its possible, but hey, I'm not a toy engineer. I'm pretty sure we wont be seeing one for a while. I bet the Hasbro design team is really glad Trypticon won the fan vote in 2016.(I voted for Tryp by the way...while Omega is my favorite character, I would have liked him as a toy last of those 3 simply because of the feasibility discussion we are having now). My gut tells me 2019 will be Scorponok, or maybe we wont have any titans at all...who knows.


It appears what you want is the OLD character, the OLD Omega Supreme, and that's fine. You can pick one up on eBay and keep that (but I'd already assume you would have one already). Keep the original as your Omega Supreme.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919743)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:46pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:ok we must all be Omega'd out with all this conversation by now

So....

what about Scorponok?(& I don't mean that TM that came with Grotusque)

I don't see anyone doing a Leader Class digibash of him ;)


Going up to Titans Class, I could see them retooling the Metroplex/Fortress Maximus mold even further - just like they did with Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus to Powermaster Optimus Prime. Retool or even just redeco Full-Tilt into Fasttrack and it'll be done.

At the Leader Class, an extensive retool of the Six Shot mold could possibly work. Just looking at the "tank" mode for Sixshot, have the arms come forward, change the hands to claws, and have a Lord Zarak Titan Master.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919744)
Posted by steals_your_goats on November 3rd, 2017 @ 4:48pm CDT
I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919747)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 5:11pm CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it


I would absolutely love this, as a compliment for Devastator, and I'vre always liked the character of raiden since I've known about him...but your point #3...While *I* think trains are cool. Hasbro only seems to think people in Japan like trains.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919748)
Posted by steals_your_goats on November 3rd, 2017 @ 5:14pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it


I would absolutely love this, as a compliment for Devastator, and I'vre always liked the character of raiden since I've known about him...but your point #3...While *I* think trains are cool. Hasbro only seems to think people in Japan like trains.

I think a lot of children enjoy trains. At least I did when I was a kid. I don't expect this to actually happen but I think it would make a tonne of sense
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919749)
Posted by o.supreme on November 3rd, 2017 @ 5:15pm CDT
Rysquad wrote:It appears what you want is the OLD character, the OLD Omega Supreme,


Which is what Generations IS...

Rysquad wrote:You can pick one up on eBay and keep that (but I'd already assume you would have one already). Keep the original as your Omega Supreme.


I had one as a kid. I kept it until I sold my entire collection in 2007. I have no desire to go back and try to reclaim all the previous Transformers I sold.
Re: New Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Voyager Starscream, plus Promotional Catalogue (1919750)
Posted by Rysquad on November 3rd, 2017 @ 5:18pm CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it


If there was a Takara exclusive mold, I could see this happening. It would be nice to have the Autobots get a Titan Class Combiner.

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