New In-Hand Images of Legacy Evolution Deluxe Junkion and Animated Universe Prowl

Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

Both of these will be passes for me. I never had any care for junkions, and this Prowl is disappointing to me. The robot mode is passable until I get to the face. The bike mode is a total swing and miss. I know they're trying to G1-ify the character, but it just falls flat to me. Having owned the original Samurai Prowl, this is unnecessary. But then again, so were Arcee and Bulkhead.

While I have often asked for G1-ification of characters, it was always to incorporate non G1 characters to the G1 aesthetic (RTS Lugnut is a great example). The G1 version of animated Prowl is G1 Prowl, so I have no need for this new animated Prowl they are giving us.

I like that Junkion bike though

I haven't seen a mainline Junkion I don't love yet!

Legacy Animated Prowl is NOT a success to me. I get the G1-ified intent of the line -- Bulkhead & Knockout are good attempt in my book (though that doesn't mean Hasbro don't owe us fans a screen-accurate Deluxe Knockout figure!), Legacy Prime Arcee not so much (her redecos are great though) -- but this Legacy Animated Prowl's headsculpt and body proportion doesn't FEEL G1-ified enough to me, it doesn't "fit in" to my Generations G1 shelf any better than the TFA original.

I also don't need a Datsun Prowl & a bike Prowl on the same shelf. But it's hard for me to resist a motorcycle mold though. So if Hasbro come up a redeco, I'm in.

Oof, Prowl is stout. I'm still excited for him, but those thighs really could have done with being skinnier to make them look longer, or flat out being longer to look better with the shin length. Junkion 2 looks good, but I thought the point was the limbs were interchangable, and thus would be the same length? Not a dealbreaker, but odd

Prowl is still a pass for me, there looks something off about the 'wings' on his back and as others have said, he looks more stout.

Sabrblade wrote:Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

That was my initial reaction to the thighs as well, but the more I thought about it and looked back at shots from Animated, the more I realized that the chunky thighs flaring out actually kinda mimics the baggy tucked-in bike pants on his holographic driver/human avatar, and now I'm cool with it. I'm also waiting to fully judge the bike mode until we've seen it transformed correctly for certain, I find that hole in the side-view too suspect to believe that it's actually intended and the front view of the bike definitely looks to me like parts aren't aligned right, everything above the wheel/leg is angled wrong.

That's exactly how I see Prowl's legs as well. The original bot design had it as well, the way they flair out to the sides like baggy pants on skinny legs. I think he looks fine.

Emerje

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

That was my initial reaction to the thighs as well, but the more I thought about it and looked back at shots from Animated, the more I realized that the chunky thighs flaring out actually kinda mimics the baggy tucked-in bike pants on his holographic driver/human avatar, and now I'm cool with it.

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I'm also waiting to fully judge the bike mode until we've seen it transformed correctly for certain, I find that hole in the side-view too suspect to believe that it's actually intended and the front view of the bike definitely looks to me like parts aren't aligned right, everything above the wheel/leg is angled wrong.

Hmmm, yeah, it does look like a possibly intentional homage. That has a sense of fun to it, appropriate for Animated.

BUT, that ironically makes me want this even less now. Because mashing up Animated Prowl, G1 Prowl, and Animated Prowl's hologram driver/mustache man homage makes this 4 different things smished together that could instead get 4 different and deserved updates (not that we need another G1 Prowl toy immediately, unless it's SS'86 Shuttle-Death Prowl), so this is an even greater compromise, accurate to even fewer of its elements. That bugs the heck out of me, so as much as I've wanted official Animated update figures ever since the line ended, NO. If I encounter this case in store, any Junkion I could army build with would be an infinitely better use of the money that could theoretically go to Prowl. LOVE the long overdue mix'n'match gimmick.

But Legacy Prowl does look cheerful enough that I can practically hear him calling out to 3rd Party toymakers, telling them to start cranking out new, show-accurate toys of Animated characters, since Hasbro apparently can't within the parameters of the unified Legacy line. Guessing APC is most likely to respond, as they started doing show-accurate Prime characters long before Legacy Bulkhead, Arcee, and Knock-Out asked them to.

Of course, every official Airachnid toy has been begging for Night Countess since they hit the shelves.

I'm not bashing Hasbro by saying some of their toys are asking for it, since the whole point of the 3rd party market is to fill every nook and cranny that official product can't.

Both bikes looks perfect for me. I'll be getting both for sure.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Both bikes looks perfect for me. I'll be getting both for sure.

Forgot to mention the Junkion, but he does look fun, wonder if there's a Combiner head hidden in one of these?

"Legacy" Animated Prowl actually isn't all that bad...
except for those eyes.

And I'm not a big fan of how they've included the handlebars in the "wings" - I could "buy into" a change where the handlebars could rotate and "compress" to rest on the shoulders a-la "missile launchers", but having them just "stick up with the wings" gives me thoughts of someone grabbing Prowl by those handlebars and judo-throw-suplexing him and/or some other martial-arts-bot (Drift came first to mind for some reason) vaulting off of them...

I got Legacy Inferno for Christmas and I'm loving the figure but he needs his flamethrower. I'm looking at "upgrade kits" and the only one that seems decent is linked below. Anyone gotten this or should I hold off until a more reliable kit maybe comes out?

https://www.tfsafari.com/products/tim-h ... 9022442609

I'm OK with the Prowl figure. I still own Regular and Samurai TFA Prowl, and I don't see anything particularly disagreeable about the Legacy remake. There are differences yes, but not game-breaking differences. The head has a 'Mr. Happy' look to it that I wish was more muted, and the alt mode has some aspects that may not be practical in 'real life'. But making these figures has always been an exercise in compromise between decent alt and robot modes.

I'm among those who disliked the Prime Legacy remakes because they strayed too far from the source material. I'm cautiously optimistic about the TFA remakes though.

Bumblevivisector wrote:... (not that we need another G1 Prowl toy immediately, unless it's SS'86 Shuttle-Death Prowl)...

I also NEED a SS86 "Shuttle-Death Prowl(tm)" NOW Hasbro!

Really impressed by the amount of asymmetrical detail on the Junkion. I like that they are getting really creative with these designs and not just sticking to The Movie ones, that were all colour palette variations on Wreck-Gar...



Not the biggest fan of Animated in the world. But the Prowl face looks off, even to me. The rest looks good for a Bike Bot.

I really, really like the Junkions, especially the tow truck.

As for "Animated" Prowl, the only major letdown is the absence of the samurai armor/sidecar. His face reminds me more Smokescreen (G1) btw.

Sabrblade wrote:Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

Ironically, the poof makes them look like uniform pants and makes him accurate to his human avatar.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Not the biggest fan of Animated in the world. But the Prowl face looks off, even to me. The rest looks good for a Bike Bot.

They made the visor/eyes WAY too big.

Silly thought: Legacy Rescue Bots Optimus Primal, as a Kingdom Megatron reshell

For me, if these new Junkions would’ve had better head and face sculpts, I would’ve considered them despite they are awfully small compared to Wreck-gar and Junkheap.
I do like the asymmetrical design of this second one, but still these are a really easy pass for me.

I think Animated Prowl looks really, really bad.
I had a pretty decent collection of Animated figures, and he was one I really enjoyed.
Although the cycle mode is alright, none of the bot mode works for me…
It just looks goofy, in a horrible way.
The face and head just look dumb…
If they weren’t going to keep any of the slender proportions of the torso and limbs similar to the original, why do any sort of elongating of the face and head??
This probably could be substantially different for me if they would’ve made a head/face that was much closer to a G1 style.
This guy just looks like a bozo.

Prowl's face doesn't bother me in the slightest, just looks like he's got a motorcycle helmet with chin strap and visor on. Never realized how little imagination people here had until this figure was leaked.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Silly thought: Legacy Rescue Bots Optimus Primal, as a Kingdom Megatron reshell

Heck, you could do a BW version of him by swapping a Prime head onto T-Wreck's body.

Emerje

Got Sludge from Amazon today. He's... Okay? Like I'm not gonna be too hard on him cause he forms the thighs and waist of the combiner and cost $10, but his bot mode obviously took the brunt of the compromises. Dino mode's good enough, if a bit lopsided, and combined mode is pretty good. Definitely the mode he designed for the most.

I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

cloudballoon wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

I guess Hasbro has more faith in a Core class Volcanicus being a success (since it's still the G1 Dinobots in some form) than they have in a Core class Monstructor or Dinoking, and so are using Volcanicus to test the waters to see if it would be successful enough to warrent a Monstructor and/or Dinoking happening later.

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

I guess Hasbro has more faith in a Core class Volcanicus being a success (since it's still the G1 Dinobots in some form) than they have in a Core class Monstructor or Dinoking, and so are using Volcanicus to test the waters to see if it would be successful enough to warrent a Monstructor and/or Dinoking happening later.

I don't think they are testing waters, that Dinoking or Monstructor (whichever) will be happening. Probably as a boxset through fan channels. The core class is just to give parents a cheaper option on shelves for known characters, that's why the put Dinobots there. The combining gimmick is just an extra collect them all aspect at that level for kids/parents. Where we (the fans) come in is with the redecos that will emerge in fan channels.

cloudballoon wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

The core class is to counter KOs, giving parents a cheap options for transformers while other classes become prohibitive for on the spur moment purchases. Same logic behind having those authentics figures in budget stores.

The next phase of the Transformers Legacy line is taking shape in North America. The core class is slowly being released through Amazon in the US and in Canada, this first wave has been found at Walmart in Ottawa (by CanPrime). It contains Sludge, Slug and Soundblaster. We have reviews from our community below for these toys.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Finishing up the Wave 01 Core Class figures from Legacy Evolution we have Soundblaster and Sludge. Soundblaster looks great but is a bit looser in some areas than Soundwave and really doesn't offer anything new. Sludge is much better in hand than stock photos have made it look, but you still have to get used to how the figure works below the waist. Once you understand all that Sludge has to do, forming the torso and upper legs of Volcanicus, you start to appreciate the figure more. Overall, both figures are fine but I would pick up Sludge first just to have the next piece of the Volcanicus puzzle.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:This is an interesting way to start the Evolution of Legacy. Slug, more commonly known as Slag to long-time fans, is a really fun figure. Transformation is simple but has a few fun steps that leave you satisfied. While this can never replace the SS86 leader, Slug makes for a fun desk toy.

I like how Prowl looks, I think the face and the thighs should have been lankier to match the Animated aesthetic more, but I really do actually like him.

The day I no longer read the word "Slag" as Slug's name will be a good day.

angtre wrote:I really, really like the Junkions, especially the tow truck.

As for "Animated" Prowl, the only major letdown is the absence of the samurai armor/sidecar. His face reminds me more Smokescreen (G1) btw.

I suspect we may get a Selects "Samurai" voyager class figure down the line with the added armor

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

I guess Hasbro has more faith in a Core class Volcanicus being a success (since it's still the G1 Dinobots in some form) than they have in a Core class Monstructor or Dinoking, and so are using Volcanicus to test the waters to see if it would be successful enough to warrent a Monstructor and/or Dinoking happening later.

I don't think they are testing waters, that Dinoking or Monstructor (whichever) will be happening. Probably as a boxset through fan channels. The core class is just to give parents a cheaper option on shelves for known characters, that's why the put Dinobots there. The combining gimmick is just an extra collect them all aspect at that level for kids/parents. Where we (the fans) come in is with the redecos that will emerge in fan channels.

I think there is a collector use case, which is a budget-friendly counter to 3P Legends scale. These mostly aren't as nice as the old Legends, but I like a smaller scale and simpler transformation set of G1 guys. I'm hopeful to have a good season 1/2 cast to have alongside the Ark even if it's not really to scale, because it should still be passable in a certain kind of display.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

I guess Hasbro has more faith in a Core class Volcanicus being a success (since it's still the G1 Dinobots in some form) than they have in a Core class Monstructor or Dinoking, and so are using Volcanicus to test the waters to see if it would be successful enough to warrent a Monstructor and/or Dinoking happening later.

I don't think they are testing waters, that Dinoking or Monstructor (whichever) will be happening. Probably as a boxset through fan channels. The core class is just to give parents a cheaper option on shelves for known characters, that's why the put Dinobots there. The combining gimmick is just an extra collect them all aspect at that level for kids/parents. Where we (the fans) come in is with the redecos that will emerge in fan channels.

I think there is a collector use case, which is a budget-friendly counter to 3P Legends scale. These mostly aren't as nice as the old Legends, but I like a smaller scale and simpler transformation set of G1 guys. I'm hopeful to have a good season 1/2 cast to have alongside the Ark even if it's not really to scale, because it should still be passable in a certain kind of display.

The reason I didn't really consider the whole 3p thing as a huge factor was the lack of scale. But I assumed that 3p did things to scale at that class size, do they? Like, is Grimlock bigger than Prime and Prime bigger than Prowl and Prowl bigger than BB, ect?

I'm still reeling from PotP Volcanicus being such an overbalanced, floppy mess. I can't bring myself to go for the Legacy Core dinobots, especially when the 86 Studio Series leader figures are so awesome.

william-james88 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say, I'd hoped the combined torso would be bigger, cause as of right now Volcanicus won't even hit taller deluxe/small voyager height, only average deluxe height. Oh well though, so far I'm liking how he's turning out

I'm not interested in Dinoking, and I have the POTP Volcanicus team already, so this Core team is a hard pass. But, why Hasbro? It's like you're begging KO companies to upscale these... don't make it easy for them.

I guess Hasbro has more faith in a Core class Volcanicus being a success (since it's still the G1 Dinobots in some form) than they have in a Core class Monstructor or Dinoking, and so are using Volcanicus to test the waters to see if it would be successful enough to warrent a Monstructor and/or Dinoking happening later.

I don't think they are testing waters, that Dinoking or Monstructor (whichever) will be happening. Probably as a boxset through fan channels. The core class is just to give parents a cheaper option on shelves for known characters, that's why the put Dinobots there. The combining gimmick is just an extra collect them all aspect at that level for kids/parents. Where we (the fans) come in is with the redecos that will emerge in fan channels.

I think there is a collector use case, which is a budget-friendly counter to 3P Legends scale. These mostly aren't as nice as the old Legends, but I like a smaller scale and simpler transformation set of G1 guys. I'm hopeful to have a good season 1/2 cast to have alongside the Ark even if it's not really to scale, because it should still be passable in a certain kind of display.

The reason I didn't really consider the whole 3p thing as a huge factor was the lack of scale. But I assumed that 3p did things to scale at that class size, do they? Like, is Grimlock bigger than Prime and Prime bigger than Prowl and Prowl bigger than BB, ect?

I still think it's more of an appeal to parents buying for kids (or kids on a budget) and any collector appeal is a happy accident (as Bob Ross would say).

Chefatron put up reviews of animated prowl and crosscut

I'm still getting prowl and happy with the robot mode. Stars kinda suck tho, so does bike mode. Back wings could be better. I'll be happy to add this to my collection tho

https://youtu.be/dtNAwAruVok
https://youtu.be/tQWs3iZglzg

In the category of this hardly ever happens, my Hot Shot arrived missing a part, one of the yellow flaps that complete the hood and roof of car mode. It didn't break off and wasn't rattling in the box, it was just never attached. Amazon is sending me a replacement and I don't have to send the damaged one back which is good, since I would be afraid of them trying to sell it as a Warehouse Deal. Other than that it's a fun figure with an interesting transformation. It does suffer from the lack of Jolt, it just feels like something is missing.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It does suffer from the lack of Jolt, it just feels like something is missing.

Better than suffering from compromised designs were Jolt included. Look at Pointblank.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It does suffer from the lack of Jolt, it just feels like something is missing.

Better than suffering from compromised designs were Jolt included. Look at Pointblank.

What's wrong with Pointblank?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It does suffer from the lack of Jolt, it just feels like something is missing.

Better than suffering from compromised designs were Jolt included. Look at Pointblank.

What's wrong with Pointblank?

Pointblank got lots of flack for being severely flawed. The fact that it could have been a voyager to be "complete", but was trimmed down to a deluxe didn't help. Lack of spoiler shield, barebone targetmaster, no panels to cover the back of the legs, limited articulations, lack of painted details, and so on.

By itself, it's not a bad toy. But it could have been much, much more.

Oh well, I'll just have to buy the upgrade kits. I already started with the legs panels. All that remain is the spoiler shield at the very least.

I forgot to mention, the new deluxe packaging is not what we were shown, the figure is not 95% covered by the tray, and it sits like the core and voyager class figures do with the paper ties.

I finally saw a Legacy Blitzwing in the wild last night at Walmart…
Just 1.

Although I don’t think this means anything in terms of improving distribution…
I went to a Target that I normally don’t go to and it literally had 5 different TF’s on all pegs and shelves, 7 TOTAL:

1 SS86 Kup
1 SS86 SS
1 Cyberverse Snarl
1 Cyberverse Wheeljack (1 step changer?)
3 Cyberverse 3 pks of OP, Bee, and Cheetor

And yes, I checked end caps, looked for extra aisles of clearance toys…
Just so pathetic…

Sowndwave76 wrote:I finally saw a Legacy Blitzwing in the wild last night at Walmart…
Just 1.

Although I don’t think this means anything in terms of improving distribution…
I went to a Target that I normally don’t go to and it literally had 5 different TF’s on all pegs and shelves, 7 TOTAL:

1 SS86 Kup
1 SS86 SS
1 Cyberverse Snarl
1 Cyberverse Wheeljack (1 step changer?)
3 Cyberverse 3 pks of OP, Bee, and Cheetor

And yes, I checked end caps, looked for extra aisles of clearance toys…
Just so pathetic…

Christmas was three weeks ago, toy sections have been wiped out all over the place. What do you expect?

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I finally saw a Legacy Blitzwing in the wild last night at Walmart…
Just 1.

Although I don’t think this means anything in terms of improving distribution…
I went to a Target that I normally don’t go to and it literally had 5 different TF’s on all pegs and shelves, 7 TOTAL:

1 SS86 Kup
1 SS86 SS
1 Cyberverse Snarl
1 Cyberverse Wheeljack (1 step changer?)
3 Cyberverse 3 pks of OP, Bee, and Cheetor

And yes, I checked end caps, looked for extra aisles of clearance toys…
Just so pathetic…

Christmas was three weeks ago, toy sections have been wiped out all over the place. What do you expect?

Target is starting to do their clearance and reset of the whole toy section. This is basically the worst time of year to expect something, but may be turned around quite quickly once each store resets. Its just a guessing game on what that will be for your particular store.

Also being down to 1 SS86 Kup is a good thing, that was one of the more consistent peg warmers. My store still has 4.

So, I kinda got a brainstorm to propose for Legacy, related to G2.

My proposition is to give us a G1 Landfill as a double targetmaster, to go with Scoop from T30 as a Targetmaster. Obviously a Quickmix would be needed to, but he is not essential to what I am about to propose. A new Scoop also wouldn't be a terrible idea either, to be discussed again below.

Now, once we have Landfill, we need a G2 repaint with a new head as Dirtbag, to go with the Adventure Roadblock that was repainted from Scoop. Alternatively, if a new Scoop was done too, they could design him to be reversed at the torso to have the proper Roadblock chest and also allow him to have the proper head design.

Both Landfill and a reversed Scoop torso would be accurate to the G2 designs. Thus, we could get 2/3 of the Autobot double targetmasters, and we could get the 2 G2 Autorollers out of the deal too.

And there would be further alternative repaint options, chief among them giving us a new Autocrusher and Autostinger to go with the Beast wars II figures coming out lately, which might also lead to new figures of Autojetter and Autolauncher and thus repaints of them as the unreleased G2 versions of those 2 characters. And then there is also the G2 General Optimus and Sargent Hound as well.

In short, lots of fun!

AcademyofDrX wrote:Christmas was three weeks ago, toy sections have been wiped out all over the place. What do you expect?

Doesn't help explain much when they have looked like that all year long though. At least everyone I've ever been to.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Christmas was three weeks ago, toy sections have been wiped out all over the place. What do you expect?

Doesn't help explain much when they have looked like that all year long though. At least everyone I've ever been to.

I'm not sure what the OP was, but in my area, Target at least had some Legacy Wave 2, and the most recent SS. They have also cleared most inventory out for a new years reset. Whereas Walmart never got anything beyond Legacy Wave 1, and the Beast Wave. Also tons of Velocitron deluxes, and SSBB Arcee/Ironhide clogging up pegs. Even at clearance prices they aren't moving hardly at all. Not a good look for Walmart to be full of old product.

o.supreme wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Christmas was three weeks ago, toy sections have been wiped out all over the place. What do you expect?

Doesn't help explain much when they have looked like that all year long though. At least everyone I've ever been to.

I'm not sure what the OP was, but in my area, Target at least had some Legacy Wave 2, and the most recent SS. They have also cleared most inventory out for a new years reset. Whereas Walmart never got anything beyond Legacy Wave 1, and the Beast Wave. Also tons of Velocitron deluxes, and SSBB Arcee/Ironhide clogging up pegs. Even at clearance prices they aren't moving hardly at all. Not a good look for Walmart to be full of old product.

Which most recent SS? Because I was told the deluxe class toys had not changed from 6 months ago. If you found crosshairs, that would be news

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It does suffer from the lack of Jolt, it just feels like something is missing.

Better than suffering from compromised designs were Jolt included. Look at Pointblank.

What's wrong with Pointblank?

Pointblank got lots of flack for being severely flawed. The fact that it could have been a voyager to be "complete", but was trimmed down to a deluxe didn't help. Lack of spoiler shield, barebone targetmaster, no panels to cover the back of the legs, limited articulations, lack of painted details, and so on.

By itself, it's not a bad toy. But it could have been much, much more.

Designer Notes on Legacy Pointblank revealed that Peacemaker's inclusion forced some simplification for budget reasons:

Mark Maher wrote: This time around since I lead the design of this guy I thought it was essential to add in Peacemaker. I soon realized how cost challenging it was to include a target master at a Deluxe scale and pricepoint.

btw Wouldn't have been the first time an Armada Hot Shot toy was tweaked:


Armada Hot Shot original prototype on TFWiki.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Designer Notes on Legacy Pointblank revealed that Peacemaker's inclusion forced some simplification for budget reasons:

Mark Maher wrote: This time around since I lead the design of this guy I thought it was essential to add in Peacemaker. I soon realized how cost challenging it was to include a target master at a Deluxe scale and pricepoint.

More proof that PB should have been a voyager.

I didnt pick up Pointblank, mostly because I'm not attached to the character but I also just don't think it's a good toy. Voyager price point definitely wouldve helped, or having the targetmaster separate. The designers did what they could with what they had. Headsculpt should've been the other one tho

But along comes needlenose- a character I like and do what in my collection- and I think he looks great. Yes a simple figure, but the robot mode is much nicer than pointblanks. And the jet mode has undercarriage but so does every other jetformer ever lol. The targetmasters are static figures but I honestly prefer those over the giant bulky gun bots from siege. The gun modes were prioritized and im happy about that

D Max, I love your idea for the Autobot Double Targetmasters. We need more figures with not entirely obvious second uses for more obscure (especially G2) characters. I want updated G2 Cyberjets that go together, not the last round of updates they got from two movie figures and a massive Universe Ultra.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Designer Notes on Legacy Pointblank revealed that Peacemaker's inclusion forced some simplification for budget reasons:

Mark Maher wrote: This time around since I lead the design of this guy I thought it was essential to add in Peacemaker. I soon realized how cost challenging it was to include a target master at a Deluxe scale and pricepoint.

More proof that PB should have been a voyager.

And yet they doubledowned with Needlenose. They had four options with Pointblank: 1) Scrap the whole thing, 2) cut it down and release an inferior version of what they started with, 3) Start over and try again from scratch, 4) Go all in and build it up to a Voyager class. IMO they went with the second worst option.

Emerje