New Official Images of PCCs Doubleclutch & Mudslinger Combined

These two look way better than the previous two.

I'll get 'em

Rallybots don't look too bad. Need to see official product photos before making my decision to get 'em. These photoshoped pics can be deceiving to make any fig. look good.

Mkall wrote:These two look way better than the previous two.

I'll get 'em

I'm still on the fence. Doubleclutch, when combined looks a lot like Zig Zag. I think it'll be a case of how they look in hand over how they look in an official image which we all know look 100% better then in rear life.

This is looking good, with the exception of the arielbots styled combiner, these are all looking rather awesome and I think I'll have to grab them when I see them. They'll probably be about the same price as a voyager size toy right?

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:This is looking good, with the exception of the arielbots styled combiner, these are all looking rather awesome and I think I'll have to grab them when I see them. They'll probably be about the same price as a voyager size toy right?

$20 is the MSRP for the five packs.

I really like PCC quite a bit.

Hmmm, I like these a lot better then the aerialbots and combaticon PCC. Definitely looking forward to seeing this non photoshopped, but so far so good.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:This is looking good, with the exception of the arielbots styled combiner, these are all looking rather awesome and I think I'll have to grab them when I see them. They'll probably be about the same price as a voyager size toy right?

A little more then a deluxe, but less then a voyager.

In Canada I think they'll be around $20.

Nothing against them but surelly i will not buy any powercore combiners. I will only have the mutch more expensive upgrade for Universe Bruticus them any of this combiners.

I dunno, unless they look significantly better in larger pics, I think I can pass on all of these, and maybe the entire line. Need to save money for Generations.

It might just be me, but Double Clutch looks Omnibot inspired. Like he has aspects of all three to a degree. Oh well, looks better than the otehrs.

The lack of real hands and the goofy faces ruin PCC's for me.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can have Transformers that don't turn into robots. I don't see how you can have any sort of fiction that would give the non-robot vehicles any personality other than being talking cars... which is pretty lame.

The other way is to have them as "drone" units... but that means you'll have at least 4 drones taking up space on screen... who do nothing and have no personality.

Don't get me wrong--I think the concept is neat toy wise and all... but I don't see any "good" fiction coming out of this. I fear they'll go the whole "human driver" way and we'll have some sort of Power Rangers crud.

Back in the 1980s, combiners were individual robots. Yes, they were bricks, but this is 25 years later. We know about ball sockets and stuff.

Put your vote with your money.

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can have Transformers that don't turn into robots. I don't see how you can have any sort of fiction that would give the non-robot vehicles any personality other than being talking cars... which is pretty lame.

The other way is to have them as "drone" units... but that means you'll have at least 4 drones taking up space on screen... who do nothing and have no personality.

Don't get me wrong--I think the concept is neat toy wise and all... but I don't see any "good" fiction coming out of this. I fear they'll go the whole "human driver" way and we'll have some sort of Power Rangers crud.

Back in the 1980s, combiners were individual robots. Yes, they were bricks, but this is 25 years later. We know about ball sockets and stuff.

Put your vote with your money.

It's entirely possible that only the scout will be an individual and the other four will be considered armour only...a bit like Menasor's car breastplate. If there is fiction surrounding these characters I strongly suspect the parts will just magically appear from subspace.

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can have Transformers that don't turn into robots. I don't see how you can have any sort of fiction that would give the non-robot vehicles any personality other than being talking cars... which is pretty lame.

The other way is to have them as "drone" units... but that means you'll have at least 4 drones taking up space on screen... who do nothing and have no personality.

Don't get me wrong--I think the concept is neat toy wise and all... but I don't see any "good" fiction coming out of this. I fear they'll go the whole "human driver" way and we'll have some sort of Power Rangers crud.

Back in the 1980s, combiners were individual robots. Yes, they were bricks, but this is 25 years later. We know about ball sockets and stuff.

Put your vote with your money.

I was gonna praise these new toys til you pointed that out...non transformable parts? this aint Voltron.

Oh yes. Oooooh yes. OOOOOOOOH YES!!!



@Black Bumblebee: They are drone units. Mindless, unthinking, and to be used by their assigned leader (the robot forming the chest) as remote-controlled extensions, extra firepower and combiner limbs (coming from Cloudburst and Bombshock's bios). Toy bios aside, I don't think they're going to expand on PCCs with cartoons. You only need fear 'Transformers: Prime' doing said 'human-driver' thingy IMO.

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can have Transformers that don't turn into robots. I don't see how you can have any sort of fiction that would give the non-robot vehicles any personality other than being talking cars... which is pretty lame.

The other way is to have them as "drone" units... but that means you'll have at least 4 drones taking up space on screen... who do nothing and have no personality.

Don't get me wrong--I think the concept is neat toy wise and all... but I don't see any "good" fiction coming out of this. I fear they'll go the whole "human driver" way and we'll have some sort of Power Rangers crud.

Back in the 1980s, combiners were individual robots. Yes, they were bricks, but this is 25 years later. We know about ball sockets and stuff.

Put your vote with your money.

I forget that most of the fandom DOESN'T get the TFclub newsletter.

The story behind PCC is that they precede Gestalt technology and is actually a lost concept only until recently re-discovered via the Matrix and some human ingenuity. So these characters are NOT the same Aerialbot teams/Combaticon teams that we know of. This PCC tech enables the "commander" to control their drones and also download some of their personality into each drone, letting them effectively be in 5 places at one time. I wasn't thrilled with the look of them either, but the story behind them makes sense to me. So yes, gestalt combiners do exist and this is just another type of combiner in the TF lore.

That's the "short-ram-down-your-throat" version.

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can have Transformers that don't turn into robots. I don't see how you can have any sort of fiction that would give the non-robot vehicles any personality other than being talking cars... which is pretty lame.

The other way is to have them as "drone" units... but that means you'll have at least 4 drones taking up space on screen... who do nothing and have no personality.

Don't get me wrong--I think the concept is neat toy wise and all... but I don't see any "good" fiction coming out of this. I fear they'll go the whole "human driver" way and we'll have some sort of Power Rangers crud.

Back in the 1980s, combiners were individual robots. Yes, they were bricks, but this is 25 years later. We know about ball sockets and stuff.

Put your vote with your money.

I'm totally OK with drone units.

In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense.

If the Transformers transform into stuff on Cybertron, it stands to reason that they would transform into items that are common. Since there are no people on Cybertron, but the transformers commonly transform into vehicles, I would think that what they would be transforming into would be the guise of lesser "drone" type robots.

If that's not the case, the whole robots in disguise thing doesn't make a lot of sense on their own home world.

Starscream: Look it's Optimus!
Optimus: Oh $#!+ (runs around a corner & transforms)
Starscream: He's gone! Nothing but this big red & blue truck looking thing. Where could he have disappeared to so quickly?

Yea, just not buying that.

These PCC drones would be akin to us humans using remote-controlled robotic drones for 1)bomb-defusing, 2)exploring hazardous environments like volcanoes and 3)blowing up terrorists. Factor in the Cybertronian civil war, and the loss of several drones in a scouting mission is more acceptable than, say, the deaths of a team of Autobot/Decepticon fighters.

What if these drones arn't actually transformers at all, but rather regular vehicles that the core robot can somehow attach to their body? I don't know, via a special Allspark touch or something? We've already seen the Allspark give life to earth technology, and the blue blocks on the combiner cores do look allspark-ish, so....

The tiny bit of fiction they've gave us so far might seem to contradict that a little, but who knows what they'll come up with.

Liftgate wrote:What if these drones arn't actually transformers at all, but rather regular vehicles that the core robot can somehow attach to their body? I don't know, via a special Allspark touch or something? We've already seen the Allspark give life to earth technology, and the blue blocks on the combiner cores do look allspark-ish, so....

The tiny bit of fiction they've gave us so far might seem to contradict that a little, but who knows what they'll come up with.

Nope, backstory has them as drones created specifically for PCC bots.

They had the option to go with the faulty Gestalt process or stay as incomplete individual bots. From what I understand, this will be very natural for them to be linked up via PCC style.

It's an interesting step Hasbro's taking, and I have to say I'm getting more and more excited for these the more they're releasing images.

Also, the Rallybots vaguely remind me of those Road Kaiser and Puzzler combiners I'll never own...

Reminds me of Puzzler for some reason.

Looks fairly interesting. The Drone angle is not too bad.

Hhhhhhhhhhhellyeah! These guys just keep getting better. I think the rallybots must be the best looking combined mode so far, what with the slightly-more-realistic limbs and un-gorillla-like proportions. I. Love. P. C. C.

Prime Evil,

the fiction you're referring to is only a couple paragraphs long and says very little. It also says that "commanders are also often given control of a specially constructed team of drone vehicles", which is kinda ambiguous and leaves the door open to what I suggested. It says *often* given control, so what are they using when they arn't? This is just a thought, there is nothing to back up, or completely dismiss the idea yet.

so these are akin to Energon Optimus Prime super mode?

I honestly don't get what some of you are getting upset by.

This concept isn't even new to Transformers as it has the same concept (as pointed out above by zenprime) as Energon Optimus Prime. And from what we have seen so far, they won't have any real effect on fiction as this is something Hasbro is releasing outside of the movie line (so they aren't about to show in the third movie) or upcoming shows (just as they placed War for Cybertron under the classics line extension) These are effectively an extra line, with a nifty play gimmick.

Yes we all would likely prefer proper gestalts (even thou Fans Projects has outdone themselves, and made has/tak look like chumps) But PCC are what they are, buy either the commander pack with a bot and 4 drones, of a single pack with a mini-con, mix, match, and have fun.

Liftgate wrote:It also says that "commanders are also often given control of a specially constructed team of drone vehicles", which is kinda ambiguous and leaves the door open to what I suggested. It says *often* given control, so what are they using when they arn't?

The answer is a simple as looking at what is being released in the line. When they don't have have a drone team, they are like Chopster and are packed with a Mini-con instead, there are only so many drone units to go around. Hence PCC capable bots are only "OFTEN" given control of teams.

Liftgate wrote:Prime Evil,

the fiction you're referring to is only a couple paragraphs long and says very little. It also says that "commanders are also often given control of a specially constructed team of drone vehicles", which is kinda ambiguous and leaves the door open to what I suggested. It says *often* given control, so what are they using when they arn't? This is just a thought, there is nothing to back up, or completely dismiss the idea yet.

So far the way I'm interpreting this, is that they have created these drones, not saying for a specific bot or con, and these drones are created for the purpose of being PCC. But I think they can of course mix and match limbs like the Scramble city episodes. And I don't really know if they are considered transformers as well since they don't have a personality of their own from the read, and I guess moreso that they were partially created with the help of humans. But you're right though, nothing is solid in this toyline. I guess prior to Tuesday, Rumble and Frenzy weren't minicons to me.

Overcracker wrote:Reminds me of Puzzler for some reason.

Looks fairly interesting. The Drone angle is not too bad.

Minus the middle age belly, or endowment of course, but yes, it does.

But they had robot modes too...


I know, I know, drones...drones.

i think i'll get the rallybots

doubleclutch is just too cool and chubby to pass up!

They take away the robot and can't add on decent hands!!! JM2CENTS

honestly, I think these look slaggin' terrible.

The mini vehicles look pretty good as vehicles, but that's not really hard to do. The Desctructicons (cool name at least) remind me of Ork vehicles from Warhammer 40,000, or, I suppose, evil Junkions. Either way, a nice idea. If Mudslinger had a colour scheme more like his drones, I might like that better, it's that which primarily puts me off that set. Doubleclutch I'm not a fan of in either solo robot or combined robot mode.

I do like the look of Smoulder and what I can remember of the other 2 pack PCCs, but that's possibly because I feel it's more play value for the money with the various transformations the Mini-con blokes have. I could see me getting a few of them.

As has been said in this thread by others and by me a long time ago, combiners really should be a lot better now, yet even removing the individual robot modes from the smaller bots hasn't resulted in anything close to resembling something as good as some of the various 3rd parties have been doing with nothing more than add-ons to existing toys.

The individual vehicle/robot modes are cool looking. Doulbeclutch combined looks great.

Mudslinger, not so much.

Can't wait to add these to my collection I also saved some spots for the Aerialbots and the Combaticons. If only Doubleclutch was a Decepticon, then thy would make pretty good Menasor guys... Man, what are they called... I forgot

tigertracks 24 wrote:It might just be me, but Double Clutch looks Omnibot inspired. Like he has aspects of all three to a degree.

Agreed, although he looks more like the grey RX-7 (Camshaft?) to me.

ZenPrime wrote:so these are akin to Energon Optimus Prime super mode?

Sure seems like it. I hated those numbered limbs. My TFE OP is combined w/ Wing Saber in super mode.

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Re: the limbs being mere drones, if I remember the Energon cartoon correctly, weren't the limbs of the TFE gestalts w/o personalities, despite having names & having robot modes?

txex97 wrote:

ZenPrime wrote:so these are akin to Energon Optimus Prime super mode?

Sure seems like it. I hated those numbered limbs. My TFE OP is combined w/ Wing Saber in super mode.

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Re: the limbs being mere drones, if I remember the Energon cartoon correctly, weren't the limbs of the TFE gestalts w/o personalities, despite having names & having robot modes?

The Energon Combiner limbs never transformed in the cartoon either.

Perfect.

I like the Rallybot drones, but less so Doubleclutch. This is great since I planned on replacing him with Huffer and painting them like the Stunticons.

I hope to see a Menasor PCC someday

ang3l3s wrote:They take away the robot and can't add on decent hands!!! JM2CENTS

My thoughts exactly, if they were going to ditch individual robots they should have made the combined mode awesome. It looks like they didn't even get the articulation right.

the rallybots combination head has like a g1 jazz vibe anyone agree. and the destructicons look like sh** so you get me

After non transforming robots that fit inside human shells, an Optimus Prime that combines with non thinking/non transforming vehicles, a beast machine dragon that turns not into a robot, but another animal and lord knows how many other crazy ideas that don't really involve "transforming" we have people saying it now? It's not even the first time they used drones as limbs.

If you don't like the look, that's one thing. But let's be honest...saying it's gone too far just because the car only change into robotic limbs instead of robots as well...that's just silly.

Hell, at least they wrote the reason why into the story this time, compared to the whole Devestator fiasco.

But to me, the Transformers line has become so insane over the years that I look at it as a simple "Do I like the toy?" over a "Does this even make sense?" Cause if I did that, I'd probably have tasted the sweet tang of a metallic bullet by now.

Liftgate wrote:What if these drones arn't actually transformers at all, but rather regular vehicles that the core robot can somehow attach to their body? I don't know, via a special Allspark touch or something? We've already seen the Allspark give life to earth technology, and the blue blocks on the combiner cores do look allspark-ish, so...

I was actually thinking that would have been a neat explanation - it seems like there was an Armada comic where some minicons did something like that - essentially used technopathic abilities to transform a human car engine into a cannon.

Overcracker wrote:Reminds me of Puzzler for some reason.

Looks fairly interesting. The Drone angle is not too bad.

That's exactly what I was thinking! And because of that I may end up buying it. I think the idea behind the PCC's is great, but the execution is quite lacking, but I may make an exception for this one.

Doubleclutch really does remind me of Puzzler.

This is a good thing.

I think the drone thing makes sense, I mean What's better then Weapons In Disguise, you have lots of people around, and you don't really want the fact that you are hiding a giant limb (probably with guns too) somewhere too obvious, so you hide it as another vehicle. it also gives them power in numbers, and if the drones can be controlled remotely by them, they can call for help, divert attention, ect, without risking the life of another transformer, because its just a drone.

Puzzler would be a great character to "cross-over" and this set would have been great to do that with.

It's weird, I'm liking the PCC concept, and I like the look of them, but I'm just not sure if i'll be buying any of them yet.

that said Huffer and Smolder are good candidates.