New Stock Images of Transformers Earthrise Doubledealer

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm pleased at him being closer to Voyager height, frankly. Also not surprised, considering how much mass is required by the missile, some of his bulk, and the bird bits.

Really tho, Voyager height is about the size he should be next to his peers.

VioMeTriX wrote:No powermaster?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Back to Earthrise. If you want to discuss comic art styles, please do so in the comics forum.

Do you guys favor ER over Siege at all, or do you look at them the same way? I'm asking because the more I think about it the more I'm leaning toward ER, for the simple fact that they're giving us figures which already have representation in media, mainly the G1 cartoon. Siege figures are really good too, and I got most of the line, but honestly, besides Omega, Magnus and Shockwave, none of the figures appealed to me especially, because their appearances are different. I didn't realize this until recently, because I kept looking my Siege collection, and I felt something was off. Now I know. They're still great figures and I'm glad I got them, but I'm looking forward to ER much more.

Honestly? I see the trilogy as a single unit broken up for marketing purposes, and the G1 cartoon is a heavy influence on all parts. Every non-Micromaster SIEGE figure other than Cog, Brunt, Impactor, Skytread, Lionizer, Spinister, Galaxy Upgrade Optimus, and Barricade, is based on the G1 cartoon. That's why the Seekers have faux-parts F-15 ducts and cockpits despite turning into pyramid-like alien jets (which, I might add, originate from the G1 cartoon). That's why Soundwave still has tape player details and can be fanmoded into a roughly G1 transformation even w/o add-on panels. That's why Megatron has Walther P38 hammer halves on his shoulders. That's why Astrotrain's engine mode looks like a JNR D51 and his shuttle mode looks like a NASA shuttle. That's why to varying degrees (Voyager) Optimus Prime, Ratchet and Ironhide, Prowl, Mirage, and most blatantly Sideswipe turn into suspiciously Earthlike vehicles (the others can pass as Cybertronian, especially Optimus, but Sideswipe is blatantly an Earth car wearing "I'm totes an alien car UwU" stickers). Springer and Skyfire are how they looked in the cartoon (including Springer having a more distinct car mode thanks to the fenders moving past the hood), and Impactor matches the comics fairly well.

I look at the SIEGE versions of Optimus and the Seekers as WFC's equivalent of the Cybertron Mode figures from Animated - although the effect is lesser because of WFC duplicating the cartoon's "Alien altmode, Earth robot mode" thing.

With the exception of Megatron (for various reasons) and Arcee (Idiotic attempt to downscale the MP, instead of going with the proven techniques of the T30 toy), I'm largely looking forward to what Earthrise is adding: Optimus' Earth mode (complete with trailer, the Main 3 Seekers' Earth modes and the Coneheads, Scorponok, Grapple and Inferno, Astrotrain in a box stores will stock, Hoist and Trailbreaker, Cliffjumper (Quite distinct from Bumblebee, too), Snapdragon, Scorponok, Fast-Track, Sunstreaker, and so on... Quite a lot to enjoy, frankly.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

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Astrotrain doesn't look like a NASA shuttle. Not even close.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Also I disagree on Ironhide and Ratchet being anywhere near G1-accurate in either mode.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Then I add the Datsun brothers

Rodimus Prime wrote:and roughly half the figures from Siege are figures without previous screen-accurate representation.

Seibertron wrote::POPCORN:

... and herein lies the problem Hasbro and Takara Tomy face with pleasing fans.

Deadput wrote:It is how it is though, don't like the direction a figure took? Well just gotta wait for the next time.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Deadput wrote:It is how it is though, don't like the direction a figure took? Well just gotta wait for the next time.

Hence my post regarding the possible differences in style between Siege and Earthrise.

And I didn't say I had a problem with some of the Siege figures not being accurate. I just pointed out that they weren't.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:I think it's personally way to soon to crank out Starscream/Skywarp/Thundercracker again...

SpikeyTigertron wrote:I'm on the fence with figures like Grapple at the moment. While he's a great figure (and with a bit of patience and a little tender loving- I don't see what issues people are having with the pegs behind the crane arm) I feel if he's supposed to be helping "build bases" and "fortifications" with the modulators (?) why he's got his earth mode already.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:I'm also really conflicted with the new Smokescreen. I've always been a sucker for his earth-mode... but again... many of us just got his cybertronian mode along with the other "brothers".

SpikeyTigertron wrote:I'm worried that all this quick turn-around while appeasing adult fans... may burn parents out.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:I'm also curious if we'll be getting the micro master vehicle platforms like the tanker truck that splits open, or the missle carrier... maybe voyager modulators?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Deadput wrote:It is how it is though, don't like the direction a figure took? Well just gotta wait for the next time.

Hence my post regarding the possible differences in style between Siege and Earthrise.

And I didn't say I had a problem with some of the Siege figures not being accurate. I just pointed out that they weren't.

Rodimus Prime wrote:No, I'm not 'dead wrong' about Ratchet and Ironhide. In their case, the sum of the parts doesn't equal the whole.

Rodimus Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, they're off the mark.

Deadput wrote:Some people are pleased and others are not which is fine because there isn't a single thing in the universe that pleases everyone.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Deadput wrote:Some people are pleased and others are not which is fine because there isn't a single thing in the universe that pleases everyone.

Bacon?

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

VioMeTriX wrote:No powermaster?

Doubledealer's powermasters are being released in Generation SELECTS with Frenzy and Wingthing

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.

This. Right. Here.

I would've loved to keep up the Siege styled alts, especially seeing Cliffjumpers alt mode in Galaxies, I would have far preferred that alt mode to this one no matter how good the toy is (I'll find out soon).

I wish we could have kept going in that direction, it was a nice unity of futuristic "alien-esque" alt modes

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Deadput wrote:Some people are pleased and others are not which is fine because there isn't a single thing in the universe that pleases everyone.

Bacon?

Unfortunately for that answer (brilliant as it is, BTW), there are vegetarians, vegans, PETA, and people who actually eat healthy/anti-greasers

Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.

From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.

Tuned Agent wrote:This would explain the cybertronian alt modes, the battle damage, the heavy amounts of detailing (that some considered excessive) all as ways to make them "off" enough to get fans to buy the later redos.

Tuned Agent wrote:It's kinda tainted my view of Siege in hindsight, as it now just looks like a ploy to give fans what they thought they wanted, before ER gave them what they actually wanted all along, getting many to buy essentially the same thing twice. But that's all just my opinion.

Tuned Agent wrote:From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one. This would explain the cybertronian alt modes, the battle damage, the heavy amounts of detailing (that some considered excessive) all as ways to make them "off" enough to get fans to buy the later redos. It's kinda tainted my view of Siege in hindsight, as it now just looks like a ploy to give fans what they thought they wanted, before ER gave them what they actually wanted all along, getting many to buy essentially the same thing twice. But that's all just my opinion.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.

This. Right. Here.

I would've loved to keep up the Siege styled alts, especially seeing Cliffjumpers alt mode in Galaxies, I would have far preferred that alt mode to this one no matter how good the toy is (I'll find out soon).

I wish we could have kept going in that direction, it was a nice unity of futuristic "alien-esque" alt modes

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.

This. Right. Here.

I would've loved to keep up the Siege styled alts, especially seeing Cliffjumpers alt mode in Galaxies, I would have far preferred that alt mode to this one no matter how good the toy is (I'll find out soon).

I wish we could have kept going in that direction, it was a nice unity of futuristic "alien-esque" alt modes

I thought it was the story of the journey to Earth,

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.

From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.

Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, I really don't see the SIEGE versions as "lesser" versions - except for SELECTS Smokescreen. I see them as different versions. Heck, since ER Megs' spear looks clunky compared to the SIEGE version's sword, I'd actually call the SIEGE version of Megs the superior one.

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.

From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.

Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.

I didn't realize Hasbro had put out a statement about that. Or are you just guessing? And if you are, why is your interpretation any more accurate than mine?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, I really don't see the SIEGE versions as "lesser" versions - except for SELECTS Smokescreen. I see them as different versions. Heck, since ER Megs' spear looks clunky compared to the SIEGE version's sword, I'd actually call the SIEGE version of Megs the superior one.

I guess I should clarify what I mean when I say "lesser". I don't mean that they're less quality toys or have less effort put into them, I mean that they're less G1-accurate just enough to get fans interested when a dead-on accurate version is made.

I understand your point about the Siege figures being "different" versions, and I can whole-heartedly agree with that for the seekers. The Siege and ER seeker molds try to be different from each other. But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.

And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class, and they easily could have just released a version of ER Prime without the trailer.

Food for thought: If the Siege and ER versions of these figures were released at the same time, would you buy both? Why or why not?

ZeroWolf wrote:End of the day, are people really complaining that they bought the Siege figures?

Gauntlet101010 wrote:So Siege OP represents buyers remorse, even if he's a great figure all on his own.

I personally think they should have made the alt. mode very different if they were gonna do Prime. Or just not do Prime at all.

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.

This. Right. Here.

I would've loved to keep up the Siege styled alts, especially seeing Cliffjumpers alt mode in Galaxies, I would have far preferred that alt mode to this one no matter how good the toy is (I'll find out soon).

I wish we could have kept going in that direction, it was a nice unity of futuristic "alien-esque" alt modes

I thought it was the story of the journey to Earth,

Yes. The journey, rather than the destination.

Black Hat wrote:Honestly, with a few exceptions, most of the Siege vehicles can pass as slightly exotic Earth modes. I always liked the idea of the Transformers arriving on Earth in the future, where technology has advanced considerably and human weapons are actually dangerous to them, hence the need for disguise, and Siege fits right in with that.

The only real exceptions to that rule are the Tetrajets (who are too iconic as the Cybertronian Seeker design to pass as future Earth jets), Shockwave (who is fine anyway, as Shockwave almost never has an Earth mode even when he's on Earth) and Soundwave (whose alt mode, cool as it is, is a bit too abstract to work as an Earth vehicle).

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.

From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.

Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.

I didn't realize Hasbro had put out a statement about that. Or are you just guessing? And if you are, why is your interpretation any more accurate than mine?

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, I really don't see the SIEGE versions as "lesser" versions - except for SELECTS Smokescreen. I see them as different versions. Heck, since ER Megs' spear looks clunky compared to the SIEGE version's sword, I'd actually call the SIEGE version of Megs the superior one.

I guess I should clarify what I mean when I say "lesser". I don't mean that they're less quality toys or have less effort put into them, I mean that they're less G1-accurate just enough to get fans interested when a dead-on accurate version is made.

Tuned Agent wrote:But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.

Tuned Agent wrote:And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class,

Tuned Agent wrote:and they easily could have just released a version of ER Prime without the trailer.

Tuned Agent wrote:Food for thought: If the Siege and ER versions of these figures were released at the same time, would you buy both? Why or why not?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And for those of us who didn't get SELECTS Smokescreen, he's now hard to find.

Wolfman Jake wrote:What I think a lot of adult collectors don't appreciate with the Siege and Earthrise Smokescreen situation is that the "Generations Selects" line that we love so much isn't very accessible to kids buying these toys, especially on a casual basis. Siege Smokescreen was an online only offering with a pre-order window to match production to demand and minimize waste. That's very different than a mainline, mass market release, which is what Earthrise Smokescreen is. We already got Prowl in Siege and Bluestreak was available as a Walmart exclusive for months last year. You can STILL find him in some areas. If you're only buying what you can physically get in a brick and mortar store, then Earthrise Smokescreen isn't really a repeat, but a fulfillment of the Datsun Autobot trio that started in Siege.

With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.

Wolfman Jake wrote:With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.

Honestly, same. As much as Earthrise Smokescreen would probably work well with Siege Prowl and Bluestreak, I do want a Prowl and Bluestreak from the Earthrise Smokescreen mold (preferably with a retooled front end/chest and rear end/feet to remove the racing elements). I think it just looks better than the Siege Datsun mold proportionally.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.

Honestly, same. As much as Earthrise Smokescreen would probably work well with Siege Prowl and Bluestreak, I do want a Prowl and Bluestreak from the Earthrise Smokescreen mold (preferably with a retooled front end/chest and rear end/feet to remove the racing elements). I think it just looks better than the Siege Datsun mold proportionally.

If they do a significantly retooled Prowl from this mold and use that as the basis for a blue sided Bluestreak, then I'd be interested, but I'd rather they be SELECTS rather than mainline. As it stands, Siege Bluestreak and Smokescreen work well enough imo.