New Transformers: Legends Mobile Device Game Event "Day of the Dinobots"

311 silver medals and 70 gold medals used.

5 rank 3 cards received.

0 rank 4 cards.

Hrrm.

Been awhile since I played the game, definitely will be playing...my only complaint is last event (Insecticon Raid, I believe) I was bombarded with so many new cards that I couldn't claim the majority of what I had earned

The new battle system is ... I dunno, i'd say stupid.

I'm suppose to now fight people that are 50 levels higher than me? And only stand a chance of earning 22-23 points?

They're seriously determined to limit us in levelling up our weapons.

Oh and suddenly my un-trans-scanned level 4's are now weaker than my trans-scanned level 3's.

Yeah I've been bad about getting on and playing but sometime between January and March there was some kind of update that almost makes a card game unplayable on my tablet. It loads insanely slow, battles run jerkily if at all (it sometimes clears if I hit skip). I'll give it another go for the event, but this might actually get removed from my tablet

How about, I dunno, maybe RELEASING THE IPHONE VERSION!!!!

Probably going to get rid of this app on my phone. I stopped playing as soon as it asked for my phone number, which was immediately. I don't want to get some random phone calls about cleaning my floors or something.

Just hit level 100; if anyone else is on here, add my as a ally/ friend, triKlops624.

rpetras wrote:How about, I dunno, maybe RELEASING THE IPHONE VERSION!!!!

Let the androidm fanboys have this one. I nearly went and downloaded it on my mums aos device purely becuase I saw half decent G1 artwork. It was only when I looked closer and saw that one it wasn't my cup of tea and 2 haven't really heard anyone say anything worth while about it yet. I always hate it when people take an action based product, franchise or whatever it maybe, then re-format it into something stationary and more often than not, they have just re-packaged an existing game, and used something exciting to sell something not exciting. A transformers game should involve what makes transformers fun and thats transforming robots that fight.
WHat's so disapointing is this is the first G1 game in along time.
It's probaly not on ios as apple consumers don't just buy something on a whim. Just becuase it says G1 doesn't mean a concerning G1 fanboy is gonna automaticaly buy it. Apple consumers don't settle for anything, the apple sheep termonology is made up by people who have never used an apple product and have been stung by missleading advertisments in the past so have jumped to the assumption that this is another hyped product like all those before, but they are wrong.

On another note are there any pther decent mech games out there?
Watch out for Pacific Rim and GaiKing the movies this year if you don't know already!!!!

It's probaly not on ios as apple consumers don't just buy something on a whim. Just becuase it says G1 doesn't mean a concerning G1 fanboy is gonna automaticaly buy it. Apple consumers don't settle for anything, the apple sheep termonology is made up by people who have never used an apple product and have been stung by missleading advertisments in the past so have jumped to the assumption that this is another hyped product like all those before, but they are wrong.

Apple consumers, like all other consumers markets, range from the very intelligent, frugal shoppers, down to the moronic, suggestible type that will by anything that is popular, niche, or mainstream.

Like all other consumers markets, some apple consumers will settle for anything, including buying the newest i-device that comes out even though they just bought the previous one, and will put up with any glitch, flaw, or software issue that comes with it in the sake of saying they own an apple product, which makes them better than other people in their minds.

The apple sheep terminology comes from a range of the people you described, all the way to the people who have used apple, have been disappointed and moved away from it because they generally weren't happy with it. Many of my apple friends that use and love apple call themselves apple sheep because they love the product and wear the label like a medal.

As for your last sentence about the hyped product, that's any new, supposedly awesome product that's ever come out. Some will like it, others will hate it. Absolutely none of them are wrong about it, it's all a matter of opinion.

Now to stay on topic, I really hope Mobage gets done making this for apple devices as soon as possible so all those fans get the opportunity to love or hate it for themselves.

DTR69 wrote:the apple sheep termonology is made up by people who have never used an apple product

I've used Apple products and i'm more than happy to use the "Apple Sheep" terminology. I've seen it in friends and acquantances who rush out to get the latest Apple product "just because it's the cool thing" without actually taking the time to do some research and discover there are other products out there that are just as good, or even better.

And then there's HTC. Just avoid that stuff.

monuo_ripts wrote:

It's probaly not on ios as apple consumers don't just buy something on a whim. Just becuase it says G1 doesn't mean a concerning G1 fanboy is gonna automaticaly buy it. Apple consumers don't settle for anything, the apple sheep termonology is made up by people who have never used an apple product and have been stung by missleading advertisments in the past so have jumped to the assumption that this is another hyped product like all those before, but they are wrong.

Apple consumers, like all other consumers markets, range from the very intelligent, frugal shoppers, down to the moronic, suggestible type that will by anything that is popular, niche, or mainstream.

Like all other consumers markets, some apple consumers will settle for anything, including buying the newest i-device that comes out even though they just bought the previous one, and will put up with any glitch, flaw, or software issue that comes with it in the sake of saying they own an apple product, which makes them better than other people in their minds.

The apple sheep terminology comes from a range of the people you described, all the way to the people who have used apple, have been disappointed and moved away from it because they generally weren't happy with it. Many of my apple friends that use and love apple call themselves apple sheep because they love the product and wear the label like a medal.

As for your last sentence about the hyped product, that's any new, supposedly awesome product that's ever come out. Some will like it, others will hate it. Absolutely none of them are wrong about it, it's all a matter of opinion.

Now to stay on topic, I really hope Mobage gets done making this for apple devices as soon as possible so all those fans get the opportunity to love or hate it for themselves.

Yeah you are right, I was just generalising. But my point was that people who buy apple products are generally not gonna be disapointed. Apple is not just a pretty face, they make the best computers and the best operating system, it's obvious th ephones will be the best aswell, sinc ethey are more or less small computers. But this game is packaged as G1 action, when under the covers it's not really the actiob I hoped for, and just becuase it's G1 I'm not gonna drop my pants and wait and hope. There doesn't seem to be much game under the hood here, and I want action from g1 not htis.

Yeah you are right, I was just generalising. But my point was that people who buy apple products are generally not gonna be disapointed. Apple is not just a pretty face, they make the best computers and the best operating system, it's obvious th ephones will be the best aswell, sinc ethey are more or less small computers. But this game is packaged as G1 action, when under the covers it's not really the actiob I hoped for, and just becuase it's G1 I'm not gonna drop my pants and wait and hope. There doesn't seem to be much game under the hood here, and I want action from g1 not htis.

Apple does make a great product, as for the best, that's a matter of opinion. I've used and repaired Macs, Windows, Linux, Unix, and all manner of tablet and phones. My opinion is Windows is a far superior system for computers and small business servers. Android is the best phone and tablet for me. Although, I would recommend an iphone or ipad for any first user or average consumer.

I'm an Android user so I may come across as biased but I don't think I am. I don't consider myself to be a "fanboy". I just like to think that I use the better of the two products because its better, not because I want to fly an Android banner. Compared to Android, I think that IOS is restrictive and overly complicated. Its symbiotic relationship with iTunes is an annoyance given that iTunes is an utterly terrible program. Apple, as a company, is greedy and way too proud of themselves. Their refusal to make their products simple for the customers by implementing normal things like micro USB chargers, removable batteries, and micro sd cards slots for expandable memory just seems foul to me.

On topic, I'll agree, there isn't much under the hood of this game. I enjoyed it in the beginning. Its fun for a little while until its flaws become annoying. The recent changes to the battle system are game breaking to me. I don't quite know what the devs' thought process is concerning it but they have ruined the game. It was already broken to begin with and they just made it worse.

It will now take longer to earn enough battle points worth cashing them in. This will, in turn, make the process of leveling up weapon cards even longer than it already was, which was already too long! Also, since the BP rewards have essentially been "nerfed", your credits will eventually start to dry up without the big battle bonuses to boost them. If this event coming up is anything like the last one, players will see a massive increase in available cards for a short time. If those cards are used to level up other cards, credits will start to run out. Then its back to the days of selling cards to get enough credits to level or scan other cards. Which now slows down the bot leveling process as well.

Here is something the devs need to understand: A game that takes a long time to play because its challenging is acceptable. A game that takes forever to play because its overly tedious just for the sake of being tedious is stupid and boring. There is no challenge to this game. Its simple button pressing. There's very little challenge and very little reward. If the devs' only plan to increase the replayability of this game is too make it impossible to finish your deck or level up your cards, well then they probably should find a new line of work. Currently, pulling a rare or super rare card out of the space bride is nearly impossible and leveling up a single weapon card literally takes months. One card, 10 levels...months. Ridiculous!

I will probably play through the event just to see how it unfolds. After that, I foresee my self abandoning this game. In its current state, its not the kind of game that deserves the attention that it demands. I just don't want to spend 6 months leveling up one card and pulling class 1 Kickback and Red Alert cards out of the space bridge. I'd rather just find something else to do.

Anyone know when this thing is going to start? Im actually looking forward to it as i missed the last event.

For those of you with iphones might I suggest the newly released Injustice: Gods Among Us IOS game. At early glances this game looks mighty fun and has what transformers is lacking, actual combat.

http://kotaku.com/this-is-not-the-injus ... -470370979

So far for me, the game is running really smooth. I've encountered several sludges from level 1 to level 5. Out of about 300 silver medals I've obtained the robot and alternate mode of the new Rarity 3 dirge. I've also gotten a rare 3 starscream robot, rare 3 shockwave alt, rare 3 jazz, and a few of the common rare 3 you can get from missions. Sadly, no rare 4 stuff for me yet.

Anyone else having good luck?

A little luck for me. The only new card I got was the event Dirge robot mode. Quite a few 3's dropped from my silver medals nothing of note though....level fodder for the Dirge.

I am very irked though the my event Hound from the last event is not doing 3X damage, unless I am just not seeing it added up. Can anybody confirm or refute that event Hound and Mirage are not getting event bonuses for this event?

joesaysso wrote:I am very irked though the my event Hound from the last event is not doing 3X damage, unless I am just not seeing it added up. Can anybody confirm or refute that event Hound and Mirage are not getting event bonuses for this event?

Hound and Mirage had 3x bonuses only for the last event.

I have yet to see a level 5 boss yet. Only tons of level 1's and 3's.

My event hound is not getting 3x damage either, but i assumed it only lasted for the event it was made for.

I feel like the people who got hardshells, sharpshots, and mirages are going to be the people that have no problem winning the top 100 unless others pay out the nose for extra cubes and energy. 1st is already at 40000 pts. Ill probably win a snarl at best.

Also, this episode is titled part 1, maybe they have another episode that involves swoop and grimlock later. Or maybe it will just be called part 2 and 3 as snarl and slug (slag) are released.

monuo_ripts wrote:My event hound is not getting 3x damage either, but i assumed it only lasted for the event it was made for.

I feel like the people who got hardshells, sharpshots, and mirages are going to be the people that have no problem winning the top 100 unless others pay out the nose for extra cubes and energy. 1st is already at 40000 pts. Ill probably win a snarl at best.

I guess I am the fool here then. I assumed an event card meant that it could be used during event(S) not a single event. My event hound was the first card the I max leveled after the last event, hoping that it would prove useful if/when another event happened. Pretty much deflates the worth of the 3X dirge card that I pulled since it will only be useful for another 6 days. Yet one more stupid thing about this game....

I'm not saying your wrong about the "hardshells, sharpshots, and mirages" bit, in fact, you are probably spot on. But at this early stage of the event, the advantage that those cards provide is nil. I don't have any of those cards and I have had no trouble dispatching any boss with just a single cube. The best card in my deck is the event hound that is transcanned and max leveled. I don't have any transcanned 4's. I have no dominant, rare, or otherwise impressive cards in my deck and I have had zero trouble with the bosses so far. Possessing those cards with start to pay dividends in the coming rounds. But for now, the only way people have that many point this soon is if they dug into their pockets for more play time. More power to them, I guess. I certainly won't be doing it.

The Insecticons are "event" cards.

This is an "episode".

The Insecticons are "event" cards.

This is an "episode".

Did you notice that the cards from the last "event" have been renamed to "episode" cards as well now. My hound and 2 kickbacks are both relabeled.

Is this the same with everyone else.

I'm not saying your wrong about the "hardshells, sharpshots, and mirages" bit, in fact, you are probably spot on. But at this early stage of the event, the advantage that those cards provide is nil. I don't have any of those cards and I have had no trouble dispatching any boss with just a single cube. The best card in my deck is the event hound that is transcanned and max leveled. I don't have any transcanned 4's. I have no dominant, rare, or otherwise impressive cards in my deck and I have had zero trouble with the bosses so far. Possessing those cards with start to pay dividends in the coming rounds. But for now, the only way people have that many point this soon is if they dug into their pockets for more play time. More power to them, I guess. I certainly won't be doing it.

I've not had any trouble with the bosses either, I'm just getting discouraged early. I really want a snarl as he was my favorite dinobot when I was a kid. Just nostalgia kicking me in the butt.

Something I noticed, I had 100 mobacoins by doing their "try it and get free coins". I noticed the event 3x/5x bridge had a sale of 100 coins for a card. I tried it and got another dirge, then quickly noticed the price went back up to 300 afterword. They really meant "1 time". Not sure if you could use it 10 times in one shot if you had 1000 coins. Can anyone who has spent more than 100 coins verify that?

monuo_ripts wrote:Did you notice that the cards from the last "event" have been renamed to "episode" cards as well now. My hound and 2 kickbacks are both relabeled.

Is this the same with everyone else.

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I've not had any trouble with the bosses either, I'm just getting discouraged early. I really want a snarl as he was my favorite dinobot when I was a kid. Just nostalgia kicking me in the butt.

Something I noticed, I had 100 mobacoins by doing their "try it and get free coins". I noticed the event 3x/5x bridge had a sale of 100 coins for a card. I tried it and got another dirge, then quickly noticed the price went back up to 300 afterword. They really meant "1 time". Not sure if you could use it 10 times in one shot if you had 1000 coins. Can anyone who has spent more than 100 coins verify that?

Yes my cards are renamed to episode. Yes I had more than 100 coins and they meant 1 time use only.

I'm definitely feeling the early discouragement as well. My last two full energon bars have yeilded only two boss encounters a piece. Plenty of missile tapping though, but not very many bosses.

I've cashed in a couple of hundred silver medals and yielded about four rank 3 cards.

Three of which I already had.

I was also late to the party, so regardless of how much I play, I can't see myself getting past the top 3000.

I am actually seeing plenty of rank 3s. None of them that I need to complete my deck, but still plenty for level fodder. I just cashed in 30 silver medals and picked up a Optimus Prime, Soundwave, and Cyclonus. There were several last night too. I can remember a Shockwave, Wheeljack, Thundercracker, and another Soundwave just off the top of my head. I'm seeing the 3s. I'm not seeing any 4s.

I am hoping that my rank will jump in the second round as my better leveled cards will help seperate me from the newer players or the players with weaker cards. Otherwise, cracking 3000 may prove difficult.

About 1.5 hours ago, I couldn't login, now its really slow and the space bridge animation won't work. I have to close out the game and wait to log back in to see my cards.

Must be a lot of people getting on after school and work.

Besides the cards I mentioned yesterday, I've not seen any more rare 3 cards I need, just fodder. Still no rare 4 cards and no other episode cards.

My game did an update and relaunched. Now I'm battling level 6 and up sludges for much higher pts. Haven't seen any other enemies though.

I have encountered a level 6 but nothing higher yet. The level 6 gave my deck a good run with one cube of power. I'm not sure if I'd be able to take a 7 without a second cube.

Yet to see an update. Then again, I know there were others (via Mobage's Facebook page) that had the "Episode" hours before I did.

Oh and they're having a one hour special tomorrow, most likely when i'm asleep.

Good ol Mobage, develop games for an OS used across the world ... forget that non-US residents play.

So I bit the bullet and bought some credits. I know, I should know better.

I use the Episode Space Bridge ... and get a rank 3 Ramjet.

yay ...

So i'm already regretting buying credits, I figure, "screw getting Episode cards, let's just go normal space bridge"

Drop some credits on the Premium Space Bridge, one card ... one rank 4 Megatron robot mode.

Have I mentioned that I had a max level rank 4 Megatron alt mode?

I've been wanting this card sooooooooo bad. Pre-update he was my top card, then last events cards became more powerful.

I trans-scanned that guy as quick as I could.

Up to that point too i'd been using my card fodder to upgrade trans-scanned rank 3 Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz and Wheeljack cards "just on the off chance I get a good card that needs to be upgraded". I'd gotten those 4 guys up to level 25.

Suffice to say, my trans-scanned rank 4 Megatron is now at level 38, is once again my top card, oh ... and all those fools who think they can fight me with their level 4 event cards? Yeah ... they're quickly learning that I'm not the push-over I was yesterday.

I have a couple of rank 4 cards that are Max level that I have begging to see their other modes come through any one of the bridges to no avail so far. Glad somebody is getting something worthy of touting. Overall, this event has been pretty uneventful. Oh, oops. They're episodes now. I don't bother counting how many medals I've cashed in, a couple hundred so far I guess, and I haven't received a single card that I didn't already have.

Congrats burn! Glad to hear it!

Although please tell me you maxed the robot mode before you transcanned so both halves got a plus 10% bonus...

nah, I'd be here forever trying to upgrade it.

As it is i'm now splitting my upgrades between rank 4 megs and rank 3 episode Dirge which I also picked up.

I'm not sure why, as I have just crossed the 12,000 point mark, but for whatever reason there was a 3X Dirge alt mode sitting in my rewards box. This means I now have the 3X Dirge bot, alt, and weapon cards. I hoping once they are leveled, scanned, and leveled again, I will be able to make some serious headway when the second boss rolls out. I have 2 3X Dirge bot modes already max leveled. Hopefully it won't take too long to get the alt mode maxed.

When I went to bed last night, I was ranked in the 4500s. When I woke up this morning, I was in the 6000s. I'm currently back into the 4200s. Good progress today so far, I think.

When I went to bed I was at 1552.

When I got up 7 hours later I was back to 2500ish. Here's hoping I can get another solid day in.

After the hour of "extra rewards", I was able to crack the top 1500. The Snarls really pushed the limits of my deck. Thanks to rewards and space bridge pulls, I now have enough cards to have two transcanned 3X Dirges with weapons.

The more I play though, the less hopeful I get. Without any transcanned 4s, my deck just seems too underpowered to make a dent in this event. Struggling to defeat Snarls leaves me with no hope of even making a dent in any of the Slags when they start appearing.

Well I wasn't really able to take advantage of the "extra rewards", so for now i've exchanged positions with Joe.

Sorry about that, Burn. No worries, though. I feel our position change is only temporarily in my favor. You still have the edge in space bridge draws. With your scanned Megatron, your deck has some power that mine can't match.

I'm hoping to get my second 3X Dirge scanned and online soon to help even the odds. But they seem to be dropping out of the bridge at a decent clip. Everybody will have at least one soon enough. I really need an Elite Starscream alt mode to keep my momentum going.

Looking at the episode rewards, I'll be quite happy if I can manage to finish in the top 500. Pulling just one scannable rank 4 card out of this event would completely "transform" my deck. But its a long way off right now and if the last event is any indication, I'll most likely run out of battle cubes before I can crack the top 600.

I'd also like to go on record and give some kudos to the devs of the game. I've been pretty critical of the devs as of late and I stand by all of the things that I said. But in the case of the episode, they've done a solid job. Its been essentially glitch free. The bonus reward time was something different from the last event that went off without a hitch. The "every card is "new" out of the space bridge" glitch has finally gone away. Generally speaking, the episode has breathed new life and interest into this game. Even if for only 6 days, I am really enjoying this game again.

So far, I've maxed 2 complete dirges, a 3 alt dirge, another rare 3 starscream, another rare 3 optimus, and I've still got a ton of medals. I've used about 2300 medals so far and not pulled a single rare 4, but that is where I got 3 of my dirges. I purchased one and got the other as a reward.

I didn't get to play the hour special because when it relaunched, the servers seemed so busy I could never get reconnected. I've spent the whole day just using cubes to help others.

My rank so far is 192 at 936988 pts. I can kill lvl 3 snarls with 1 cube, sometimes lvl 4. Lvl 5 and 6 always require at least 2, sometimes 3.

I've just been using 1 cube on absolutely everything I find so I get the cube back for first hit, then ask for help. If I help someone, I try to use only 1 cube when the boss has little health left so I get the cube back for last hit. Using this method, I've been stockpiling cubes as I level up the pts.

I'm fearing how tough slug is going to be.

monuo_ripts wrote:I'm fearing how tough slug is going to be.

If the last event is anything to go by, you'll be using up three cubes and still requiring help from about two others.

Which is fine, because you need two others to get the gold medals.

Burn wrote:
Which is fine, because you need two others to get the gold medals.

Hmmm, the gold medals seem to be the joke of the episode to me. I've been monitoring them closely when I cash them in and I swear I have never pulled anything better than a rank 2 card from a gold medal.

I've gotten tons of 3's from the silver medals where only a 1 is guaranteed. But the golds, where a 2 is guaranteed, that is literally, not even exaggerating, all I get. its kind of tweaking my nerves a bit.

Monuo, how many scanned 4's do you have in your deck that you can take the lowers snarls with just one cube?

Well, did a fair bit of play today and managed to make it up to 1108. Back to work tomorrow but hopefully I've put myself into a position where i'll only drop back to the 2000's.

None unfortunately. Ive got 2 complete dirges fully maxed with lvl 3 matching weapons. A maxed alt dirge with thrusts weapon. 2 kickbacks and weapons, optimus rare, grimlock, starscream, and megs, all rare 3 with weapons. All my characters are maxed and transcanned with the 10% bonus. My optimus gun is maxed, all other matching weapons are lvl 6. And all my transcans were done after the february fix, only my kickbacks have slightly lower stats from the previosly broken transcan equation.

Sounds like your deck is similar to mine except you have a clear and decisive edge in the weapons department. I have no maxed weapons. My highest weapon is Episode Hound's at level 6. Nearly all of my others are levels 1 or 2.

My system is pretty much identical as far as earning points and saving cubes. However, I think the bubble is getting ready to burst. I'm seeing a lot more Level 6 Snarls timing out because people either don't want to be the middle guy who gets no cubes or more and more people are just running out of cubes.


**Edit** Slug has been released!!

So, the things that drove me nuts about the last episode they have managed to keep in tact for this episode. They give no battle cubes as rewards for Slug. The third boss is way too powerful and they release him way too soon into the episode. I'm getting bombarded with help requests for Slug, of which, I can't make a dent in any level of him. Bosses are just timing out everywhere. I don't even want to bother scanning because I know that I'll just be throwing cubes away since the vast majority of my bosses will time out. The episode is essentially over with 3 days to go.

Yep, the burn out is happening, nothing left for anyone unless they buy cubes to keep beating him. I was lucky enough for most of my slugs to be beaten. I sacrificed and was one of the middle men on almost all other battles. Ive got 20 cubes left and sitting at rank 140. Bet ill be way lower when i wake up.

I'm thinking that I am going to toss in the towel on this episode and just keep my cubes. I see no point in spending them. I'll get to work on cashing in my remaining medals and level up what cards I still need to level.

**EDIT**

joesaysso wrote:Hmmm, the gold medals seem to be the joke of the episode to me. I've been monitoring them closely when I cash them in and I swear I have never pulled anything better than a rank 2 card from a gold medal.

I quote myself only to re-explore this comment that I made. So serious was I when I said this, I made sure to track my last gold medal cash ins. I use the term track very loosely, as I never thought it would be difficult to track the massive number of 2s.

Anyway, as I took the time to cash in all of my medals, particular interest was focused on the gold medals. I had 52 of them that had yet to be cashed in. This is how the draw broke down: 51 rank 2s, 1 rank 3s, 0 ranks 4s.

These are supposed to be gold medals? How does this happen? I pulled 1 rank 3 card from all of my gold medals for the entire episode! I call BS! I'm starting to think this whole thing is rigged to keep the 4s from dropping without paying money first.

There has been more than one occasion where I would draw 2 rank 3s in a 10 silver medal cash in. At least 3 times that I can remember I got more rank 3s from just 10 silver medals than I did from 100+ gold medals. Something is very foul here. Why exactly are the gold medals harder to get when the drop rate is so friggin terrible?

I am extremely interested to hear about how everyone else's breakdown goes for the gold medal cash-ins. Overall, I got 0 rank 4s for the episode. My last cash in was for 384 silver medals and 52 gold. Overall, who knows, a couple thousand medals for the whole episode. Somehow through all of those cards, I still managed to not finish all of the 3s in the cyberdeck. I still require a Ramjet bot mode.

It was a good couple days but I am right back to being extremely furious with this game and its developers.

joesaysso wrote:I am extremely interested to hear about how everyone else's breakdown goes for the gold medal cash-ins.

So I paid attention this time and cashed in all my Gold Medals in one go.

All 156.

I got 151 rank 2 cards and 0 rank 4 cards.

Oh and those rank 3 cards I got? Already had them.

Multiple times.