New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer

New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer

Monday, April 20th, 2020 9:04am CDT

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Greetings Seibertronians! Thanks to the efforts of fellow Seibertron user,blackeyedprime, we've learned that YouTuber Tonton Reviews, has been at it again! This time they've got their hands on the forthcoming Leader Class Doubledealer! Check out his video review below!



While it may look like Doubledealer has been updated without his power master partners, they are being sold as part of a 4 pack via Generations Selects, along with two more of Soundwaves cassette partners.

What do you think of this review? Will you be willing to deal to get Doubledealer? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

Credit(s): blackeyedprime from Seibertron, TonTon Reviews from YouTube


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Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061494)
Posted by frogbat on April 20th, 2020 @ 9:22am CDT
very cool figure - one of my fave as a kid... he's a bit squat in robot mode but he's still awesome - love how close the missile is to the original
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061499)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on April 20th, 2020 @ 10:15am CDT
What is the purpose of the hinges on Optimus's calves? They very clearly look like hinges, with metal pins, but they don't do anything.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061500)
Posted by LeAwesome1 on April 20th, 2020 @ 10:19am CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:What is the purpose of the hinges on Optimus's calves? They very clearly look like hinges, with metal pins, but they don't do anything.

Because the legs are the same as those from Siege Prime (except some changes with how the wheels work), they carried over from Siege prime. They are used on Earthrise though, if you pop the flaps up all the way it secures the legs a little bit better.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061501)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on April 20th, 2020 @ 10:32am CDT
LeAwesome1 wrote:
Dr. Caelus wrote:What is the purpose of the hinges on Optimus's calves? They very clearly look like hinges, with metal pins, but they don't do anything.

Because the legs are the same as those from Siege Prime (except some changes with how the wheels work), they carried over from Siege prime. They are used on Earthrise though, if you pop the flaps up all the way it secures the legs a little bit better.


The flaps on the knees are used in the instructions, but the hinges on the backs of the legs (the calves) seem to be totally nonfunctional artifacts, which is puzzling, as a metal pinned part would seem like an expensive inclusion...
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061505)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on April 20th, 2020 @ 11:00am CDT
Doubledealer looks to have some loose joints. I hope that just TonTon's figure. Other than that he looks great
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061520)
Posted by Lore Keeper on April 20th, 2020 @ 12:47pm CDT
I hope someone who gets him in hand soon can show whether the Rumble and Ratbat mold actually fits in his chest. They don't fit in Soundwave's.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061570)
Posted by Rysquad on April 20th, 2020 @ 4:57pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:
LeAwesome1 wrote:Is Cliffjumper worth the price? I was put off by his size but really tempted to just bite the bullet

He's well worth it. I even got my seven year old one.


Agreed. My five year old loves his ER Cliffjumper.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061583)
Posted by Flashwave on April 20th, 2020 @ 5:34pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:
LeAwesome1 wrote:
Dr. Caelus wrote:What is the purpose of the hinges on Optimus's calves? They very clearly look like hinges, with metal pins, but they don't do anything.

Because the legs are the same as those from Siege Prime (except some changes with how the wheels work), they carried over from Siege prime. They are used on Earthrise though, if you pop the flaps up all the way it secures the legs a little bit better.


The flaps on the knees are used in the instructions, but the hinges on the backs of the legs (the calves) seem to be totally nonfunctional artifacts, which is puzzling, as a metal pinned part would seem like an expensive inclusion...

For some reason they recycled the blue part of the lower leg (they are flipped from Siege, left leg is right) and like LeAwesome said, bit every other part of that lower leg assembly including the louvres is all new. My only guess is that the hinge is a byproduct of making the wheel assembly fit the original front piece properly, or possibly as a way to make the assembly process smoother in the factory, but I can find no part of mine that is in anyway loose and wants to move. The only other theory is that there is some retool coming down the line that may use either the hinges, the space, or swap out parts in there, explaining why they didnt cast a solid calf piece there.

EDIT:
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The hinge joint in question. There are two grey segments seen and the calf is in 2 parts, the inside which forms the fifth wheel and the back and outside that the wheels snap to
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061590)
Posted by homicide on April 20th, 2020 @ 6:58pm CDT
Lore Keeper wrote:I hope someone who gets him in hand soon can show whether the Rumble and Ratbat mold actually fits in his chest. They don't fit in Soundwave's.


As someone who owns all the cassettes released so far, including the Generations Select set I can say with absolute certainty that all the cassettes, including Ratbat & Rumble fit in Soundwave's chest, some may be more snug than others, but they can all fit.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061598)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on April 20th, 2020 @ 9:57pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Dr. Caelus wrote:
LeAwesome1 wrote:
Dr. Caelus wrote:What is the purpose of the hinges on Optimus's calves? They very clearly look like hinges, with metal pins, but they don't do anything.

Because the legs are the same as those from Siege Prime (except some changes with how the wheels work), they carried over from Siege prime. They are used on Earthrise though, if you pop the flaps up all the way it secures the legs a little bit better.


The flaps on the knees are used in the instructions, but the hinges on the backs of the legs (the calves) seem to be totally nonfunctional artifacts, which is puzzling, as a metal pinned part would seem like an expensive inclusion...

For some reason they recycled the blue part of the lower leg (they are flipped from Siege, left leg is right) and like LeAwesome said, bit every other part of that lower leg assembly including the louvres is all new. My only guess is that the hinge is a byproduct of making the wheel assembly fit the original front piece properly, or possibly as a way to make the assembly process smoother in the factory, but I can find no part of mine that is in anyway loose and wants to move. The only other theory is that there is some retool coming down the line that may use either the hinges, the space, or swap out parts in there, explaining why they didnt cast a solid calf piece there.


It's just so weird, because you know the metal pins cost money, as does the additional time workers spend assembling the legs that way. Given how massively they were retooling things already, it's really, really strange they'd leave a money sink like that in there (also strange that they cast those parts in light grey, rather than just matching the blue on the other half of the boot). I almost think it HAS to be related to a retool further down the line, but can't imagine what. Maybe a Powermaster Prime redo?
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061600)
Posted by Emerje on April 21st, 2020 @ 1:31am CDT
They did the exact same thing leaving an unused pin in SS Shockwave's legs leftover from SS DOTM Megatron. Scotty P. thinks there's a possible Energon Prime built into the mold ER Prime mold.

Emerje
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061615)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on April 21st, 2020 @ 7:43am CDT
Emerje wrote:Scotty P. thinks there's a possible Energon Prime built into the mold ER Prime mold.

Emerje

Why?
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061618)
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 21st, 2020 @ 8:27am CDT
It would have to be a hefty retool for Energon Prime to be fair. Also to those saying it doesn't make any sense why to leave expensive things in a mold retool, I give you exhibit A, Titan Fortress Maximus.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061619)
Posted by Flashwave on April 21st, 2020 @ 8:40am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:It would have to be a hefty retool for Energon Prime to be fair. Also to those saying it doesn't make any sense why to leave expensive things in a mold retool, I give you exhibit A, Titan Fortress Maximus.

I guess the more pertinent question then is why when every other part of him from wheels to head is an all new part, did they choose to reuse that one part of his legs instead of designing new?
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061623)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on April 21st, 2020 @ 10:59am CDT
Flashwave wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:It would have to be a hefty retool for Energon Prime to be fair. Also to those saying it doesn't make any sense why to leave expensive things in a mold retool, I give you exhibit A, Titan Fortress Maximus.

I guess the more pertinent question then is why when every other part of him from wheels to head is an all new part, did they choose to reuse that one part of his legs instead of designing new?


I agree it does seem weird. Could be that it was cheaper to re-use that on both the mold costs and the assembly standpoint than going new if they had any of leg assembly portion automated. They could have moved production right from the Walmart 35th anniversary deco to the Earthrise leader assembly. But admittedly I'm grasping at straws.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061635)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 21st, 2020 @ 1:57pm CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:It would have to be a hefty retool for Energon Prime to be fair. Also to those saying it doesn't make any sense why to leave expensive things in a mold retool, I give you exhibit A, Titan Fortress Maximus.

I guess the more pertinent question then is why when every other part of him from wheels to head is an all new part, did they choose to reuse that one part of his legs instead of designing new?


I agree it does seem weird. Could be that it was cheaper to re-use that on both the mold costs and the assembly standpoint than going new if they had any of leg assembly portion automated. They could have moved production right from the Walmart 35th anniversary deco to the Earthrise leader assembly. But admittedly I'm grasping at straws.


Retools have a shorter development to production period (at least 1 year shorter from what I've seen), because there's already a base to start from. Alternate heads are a good example of that. Likewise, including bits of engineering of previous figures could potentially shorten development time. It's quite possible the new system of reusing parts (which is separate from retooling) is more of a time-saving measure than anything else, and combined with an economic way to copy (parts of) molds, quite appealing, really.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061675)
Posted by Flashwave on April 21st, 2020 @ 6:03pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:It would have to be a hefty retool for Energon Prime to be fair. Also to those saying it doesn't make any sense why to leave expensive things in a mold retool, I give you exhibit A, Titan Fortress Maximus.

I guess the more pertinent question then is why when every other part of him from wheels to head is an all new part, did they choose to reuse that one part of his legs instead of designing new?


I agree it does seem weird. Could be that it was cheaper to re-use that on both the mold costs and the assembly standpoint than going new if they had any of leg assembly portion automated. They could have moved production right from the Walmart 35th anniversary deco to the Earthrise leader assembly. But admittedly I'm grasping at straws.


Retools have a shorter development to production period (at least 1 year shorter from what I've seen), because there's already a base to start from. Alternate heads are a good example of that. Likewise, including bits of engineering of previous figures could potentially shorten development time. It's quite possible the new system of reusing parts (which is separate from retooling) is more of a time-saving measure than anything else, and combined with an economic way to copy (parts of) molds, quite appealing, really.

And I would agree with that... If it was either more than a single part or the reuse made any bloody sense. The TR Highbrow/Scourge/Misfire/Slugslinger/Windblade/half the toylinr is a great example of what you judt said. So is WFC Megatron. Instead we have one piece of gis leg and his feet recycled... And of that?b the feet are now flipped so that the locking tabs are on the outside in vehicle mode and the original hitch is now randomly habging off the passenger side uselessly... I guess if a 3P came out with a gas nozzle piece for the trailer you could pretend that is his gas cap now... But its a random vestigal part. Even the leg vents are different (more open) Every other part of him is and works so randomly differently from the previous it just seems wierd. Maybe it was to make sure the trailer height would work with Siege, but a kid with a CAD program could have duplicated the measurements.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061689)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on April 21st, 2020 @ 10:10pm CDT
Why did they reuse the parts? Because it was a way they could save money, so they did. Corporate beancounters are more addicted to penny-pinching than David Willis is to Hot Shot.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061690)
Posted by Flashwave on April 21st, 2020 @ 10:28pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why did they reuse the parts? Because it was a way they could save money, so they did. Corporate beancounters are more addicted to penny-pinching than David Willis is to Hot Shot.

And again I say, they only recycled the front part of the leg and the feet. I'm no bean counter, but recycling 2% of a figure can't outweigh any savings. We're talking about 1/4 of half his leg and the other 3/4s had to be designed around it instead of a new design that could be simplified down. What you said would make sense if there were any more os Siege Prime in Earthrise Prime, but heck, they even recast the vents in his legs to be more open. It boggles the mind
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Earthrise Leader Class Doubledealer (2061692)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on April 21st, 2020 @ 10:38pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why did they reuse the parts? Because it was a way they could save money, so they did. Corporate beancounters are more addicted to penny-pinching than David Willis is to Hot Shot.

And again I say, they only recycled the front part of the leg and the feet. I'm no bean counter, but recycling 2% of a figure can't outweigh any savings. We're talking about 1/4 of half his leg and the other 3/4s had to be designed around it instead of a new design that could be simplified down. What you said would make sense if there were any more os Siege Prime in Earthrise Prime, but heck, they even recast the vents in his legs to be more open. It boggles the mind
Allow me to emphasize the key word. When I said addicted, I meant it. It's a freaking compulsion for them. If corporate beancounters perceive an avenue for cost-cutting, they will almost always take it - even if the prospective savings are petty (Hence the term penny-pinching) and/or it doesn't really work out to savings in practice. That's a big part of why they're derisively called beancounters in the first place.

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