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New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal

Transformers News: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal

Thursday, December 3rd, 2020 5:18PM CST

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Greetings Seibertronians! Fellow Seibertron user, Dominus Prime, has let us know that YouTube toy reviewer, Jay C has posted a video review for the forthcoming Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal!

Primal is part of the Wave 1 Voyagers along with Cyclonus, and should be hitting store shelves in the New Year. The leader of the heroic Maximals has seen his Gorilla alt mode updated to be more realistic then the original toy.

We have embedded the review below for your convenience:



What do you think of the review? Are you planning to get Primal? Or are you sticking with his original/10th Anniversary toy? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!
Credit(s): Jay C from YouTube

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Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088715)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 3rd, 2020 @ 5:24pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:I got Inferno and Huffer off Amazon. The only 2 I'm interested in.

I guess since we've finally made it here, it gives me a strange sense of pride in the leadership of the brand, that, despite shifting now towards a focus on beast wars, the G1 fans are not being left out in the cold, the line could have been entirely devoted to BW figures, and a fraction of the fandom would have been effectively cold-shouldered, but they didn't so that - and that may not have been the intention, but I'm glad that this is at least a byproduct of it :D
I didn't mean for my statement to imply that I think the BW figures are bad. They're not. I just don't have as serious of an attachment to the characters they represent as I do G1. I'm very glad that BW fans are finally getting new figures in a commercial and affordable line which, by the statements if sone, is preferable to the MP figures both in price and design. I might get some of them if they impress me in-hand.

oops, I wasn't implying anything, I was just pointing out that it felt weird to be on the other side of the looking glass so-to speak where bw figures have the majority and the G1 figures do not versus how it's usually all g1, and was merely saying that I'm glad hasbro didn't freeze out the g1 fans like they easily could have
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088717)
Posted by just_aCloud on December 3rd, 2020 @ 5:51pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Greetings Seibertronians! Fellow Seibertron user, Dominus Prime, has let us know that YouTube toy reviewer, Jay C has posted a video review for the forthcoming Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal!

Primal is part of the Wave 1 Voyagers along with Cyclonus, and should be hitting store shelves in the New Year. The leader of the heroic Maximals has seen his Gorilla alt mode updated to be more realistic then the original toy.

We have embedded the review below for your convenience:



What do you think of the review? Are you planning to get Primal? Or are you sticking with his original/10th Anniversary toy? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

Very cool! Looking even more forward to Boss Monkey coming in the mail.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088718)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on December 3rd, 2020 @ 5:51pm CST
he didnt transform the legs correctly. :lol:
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088719)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 3rd, 2020 @ 6:01pm CST
Overcracker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
TulioDude wrote:Wonder if the Kingdom cartoon will use Ultra Magnus?

Optimus:I thought Megatron had killed you!

Ultra Magnus:Yeah,but I got better.


Day 336 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.


Just wrong man, just wrong. We should've seen more of that Armada Prime by now, heard it had to be pulled.



Yeah, whatever happened to that Armada Prime Takara teased with the Star Convoy retool or PotP Prime?


Long story short, the cab robot that we saw would cost at least $80 alone and Has/Taks felt collectors wouldn't pay that much.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088726)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 3rd, 2020 @ 6:47pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
TulioDude wrote:Wonder if the Kingdom cartoon will use Ultra Magnus?

Optimus:I thought Megatron had killed you!

Ultra Magnus:Yeah,but I got better.


Day 336 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.


Just wrong man, just wrong. We should've seen more of that Armada Prime by now, heard it had to be pulled.



Yeah, whatever happened to that Armada Prime Takara teased with the Star Convoy retool or PotP Prime?


Long story short, the cab robot that we saw would cost at least $80 alone and Has/Taks felt collectors wouldn't pay that much.
Translation: they don't think there's a Unicron Trilogy collector's market. :-x :evil:
After all, we've seen what they're willing to do with G1 and BW-based MPs... Especially G1-based MPs that jump through 5-million hoops to duplicate things that, on the cartoon design, were simplifications from the toy. :roll: :BANG_HEAD:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Because that would conflict with the arm ports the armor panels plug into, and if they shrunk the fists to get around that he'd have really tiny hands.
Not that I particularly like it, it's the same problem the DNA "upgrade" kit for SIEGE Magnus has but even moreso.

I refuse to believe that there was nothing they could do about those hands. The cab is a box.
Well tough smeg, there wasn't. Yes, it's a box. But it's a box with no room for the arms inside it because of the following:
1. The forearms are thicker relative to the body - as in, almost half the width of the cab - because they have to pull double duty as the core of the super robot forearms; correspondingly, the hands are very large.
2. The rest of the cab is shorter relative to the G1 toy, because of how the armor attaches
3. The remaining space is largely taken up by the head compartment and the hinge for it.
There's just no room for the forearms to tuck into the front part of the cab this time around.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:This is a problem I have with Siege as well, but it's lessened by the trailer covering it up. The cab didn't have to be a mess.
The cab was as clean as they could get it under the circumstances. The hands being exposed here is an inevitable tradeoff for trying to force it to look more G1 than RiD.

What we really need is a Commander-class Ultra Magnus. That way the cab robot's arms wouldn't have to pull double-duty and he could carry 4 cars like the G1.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088727)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on December 3rd, 2020 @ 7:25pm CST
Well tough smeg, there wasn't.

You're acting like the way they made Magnus transform is the one and only way it could be done. It isn't. They chose to do it this way because the cab alone didn't matter to them. Because the vehicle's an RID homage and they clearly didn't expect it to be retooled in Kingdom.

So, no. No, you're not going to be able to convince me that this was the one and only way they could have designed Ultra Magnus. There are reasons the made it this way, sure. but it wasn't the only way possible to make the figure.

The cab design was a mistake in Siege. That mistake was made worse in Kingdom.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088728)
Posted by o.supreme on December 3rd, 2020 @ 7:40pm CST
Nemesis Primal wrote:So I didn't preorder any of Wave 1, as I'm not worried about their availability considering how long Wave 1 is always around and I don't want to pay that $3 Deluxe markup, I don't feel it's justified. The listings for Wave 2, however, did go up with the Deluxes being back to $20 again on at least Pulse and Amazon (which is part of why I'm posting this, for those who haven't seen that yet).


They may not be now, but wave 1 deluxe pre-orders were at "$20 price" for a time.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088729)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on December 3rd, 2020 @ 7:44pm CST
o.supreme wrote:They may not be now, but wave 1 deluxe pre-orders were at "$20 price" for a time.


They all dropped that low at some point, mixed bag right now. Warpath and Paleotrex ar back to $23, Cheetor and Blackanachnia at at $19.99.

Edit: just checked my preorder, Warpath dropped to $19.89 at some point, and the other 3 went to $19.87 at some point. Amazon pricing is kooky, but I do love their pre-order price guarantee.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088735)
Posted by Rtron on December 3rd, 2020 @ 8:10pm CST
Immortal Starscream wrote:he didnt transform the legs correctly. :lol:


How are they supposed to be transformed?
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088736)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 3rd, 2020 @ 8:38pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Well tough smeg, there wasn't.

You're acting like the way they made Magnus transform is the one and only way it could be done. It isn't. They chose to do it this way because the cab alone didn't matter to them.
The cab alone obviously did matter, or else they wouldn't have bothered with a separate cab robot in the first place; they would have just rehashed or even reissued the CW design and called it a day.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Because the vehicle's an RID homage and they clearly didn't expect it to be retooled in Kingdom.
That much, I'll grant you. The only thing it was really planned to be retooled into was Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:So, no. No, you're not going to be able to convince me that this was the one and only way they could have designed Ultra Magnus. There are reasons the made it this way, sure. but it wasn't the only way possible to make the figure.
The only other way I can think of that they could have done it (at least without sacrificing the Voyager cab robot), would be borrowing and tweaking Combiner Wars Optimus' transformation scheme. Because, as I already said, the cab robot arms having to pull double-duty as the super robot arms makes them too fat to tuck in.
While borrowing that transformation would hide the arms, it would have its own downsides - no bumper to act as a support ledge for the back of the torso armor, wheels on the forearms getting in the way of attaching the forearm armor (probably the biggest problem), no transparent windshield...
And either way, there was no getting around the arms having to be that bulky. There just wasn't. Making them svelte enough to tuck in wouldn't have saved enough plastic to have completely separate super robot arms.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:The cab design was a mistake in Siege. That mistake was made worse in Kingdom.
Disagree hard on the first part, agree with Kingdom making it look particularly bad.

G1 Ultra Magnus cannot be done at the Leader price point in this day and age, without compromises of some sort. For Combiner Wars it was throwing out the cab robot. For SIEGE it was having to restructure the way his trailer formed into armor and make the cab robot arms pull double-duty (making them too fat to tuck into the cab as they did on the original toy). And both can only hold 2 cars... It's why I keep going on about wanting a Commander-class Ultra Magnus.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088739)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on December 3rd, 2020 @ 8:50pm CST
G1 Ultra Magnus cannot be done at the Leader price point in this day and age, without compromises of some sort.

Sure, but I don't think having the arms jutting out like that was absolutely necessary either. Nor do I think smaller hands would be as bad as you make them out to be.

I mean, your own failure of imagination and the current design doesn't mean it's impossible. It just means that they didn't see the need to make the cab stand on it's own and, therefore, made a kinda crummy design.

Moreover, there's no need to shout and be rude. It's not going to convince me that they didn't fail in making a good standalone cab. Writing louder, longer posts sure isn't going to get your point across. It just makes you seem kinda obstinate.

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For the record, this is the design you're defending to the death here. It's not good.

In my opinion. :roll:
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088744)
Posted by bacem on December 3rd, 2020 @ 9:58pm CST
I am not asking them to change it significantly. But if they could at least make white magnus's fist to fold inside the forearm, i think it will look better to me, even if they have to sacrifice wrist swivel for that.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088750)
Posted by Emerje on December 3rd, 2020 @ 11:49pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Kudos to Hasbro and Takara Tomy for finally doing Huffer right. Can't wait to see the inevitable Pipes get the same proper treatment. Hope they can get the cab right for Pipes in robot mode.

Pretty sure one of the leakers said Huffer and Pipes were designed in tandem so that both could have their respective proper bot modes. Pipes also seems to come with two large arm canons that I assume act as extra exhaust pipes, I'm guessing he wont come with the shield then.

Rogue-Primal wrote:Based on the ammount of figures revealed does anyone think they will make a Kingdom Beast Wars Silverbolt in this line?

There's been some speculation that he might be Airrazor's retool for a potential Magnaboss down the road since she has those strange square holes on her back that don't seem to serve a purpose. She also has all those extra joints in her wings that don't have a purpose other than letting her fold her wings forward and she doesn't even use all of them for that.

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Of course we also need an elephant lion mold to complete the set and that isn't happening in Kingdom. Maybe next Trilogy?

I do love that they gave her beak articulation!

As far as Ultra Magnus' exposed hands go it really annoys me that they couldn't have come up with something to cover them considering they removed the big black side guns from the Siege version. Stick a box over them or some side panels that can plug into the hands and double as shields in bot mode.

Emerje
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088751)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 4th, 2020 @ 12:04am CST
Emerje wrote:
As far as Ultra Magnus' exposed hands go it really annoys me that they couldn't have come up with something to cover them considering they removed the big black side guns from the Siege version. Stick a box over them or some side panels that can plug into the hands and double as shields in bot mode.

Emerje


I like where you're going with that! It would've been cool if he had pieces that would plug into his hands to later become the magnus hammer or something, and they could just be boxy looking to seem as if part of the truck
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088758)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 4th, 2020 @ 2:36am CST
Emerje wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Kudos to Hasbro and Takara Tomy for finally doing Huffer right. Can't wait to see the inevitable Pipes get the same proper treatment. Hope they can get the cab right for Pipes in robot mode.

Pretty sure one of the leakers said Huffer and Pipes were designed in tandem so that both could have their respective proper bot modes. Pipes also seems to come with two large arm canons that I assume act as extra exhaust pipes, I'm guessing he wont come with the shield then.

Rogue-Primal wrote:Based on the ammount of figures revealed does anyone think they will make a Kingdom Beast Wars Silverbolt in this line?

There's been some speculation that he might be Airrazor's retool for a potential Magnaboss down the road since she has those strange square holes on her back that don't seem to serve a purpose. She also has all those extra joints in her wings that don't have a purpose other than letting her fold her wings forward and she doesn't even use all of them for that.

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Of course we also need an elephant lion mold to complete the set and that isn't happening in Kingdom. Maybe next Trilogy?

I do love that they gave her beak articulation!

As far as Ultra Magnus' exposed hands go it really annoys me that they couldn't have come up with something to cover them considering they removed the big black side guns from the Siege version. Stick a box over them or some side panels that can plug into the hands and double as shields in bot mode.

Emerje

I could be wrong but I think that they meant Fuzor Silverbolt instead of the magnaboss combiner (which would be awesome)
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088767)
Posted by MadProject on December 4th, 2020 @ 6:43am CST
review for Verterbreak!

Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088773)
Posted by Autobot N on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:41am CST
Not 100% Kingdom related, but one of the leakers said Hasbro has started preliminary work on a Voyager Lio Convoy for after WFC if Kingdom does well. As always, take with a grain of salt.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088774)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:47am CST
I have mixed feeling on Lio Convoy (and also Big Convoy). I like the design ideas behind him, but I wish he wasn't so derivative of Optimus with both the red torso and Optimus Prime's head. Still, it'll be interesting to see what that design work is if he comes out
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088775)
Posted by sol magnus on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:51am CST
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I have mixed feeling on Lio Convoy (and also Big Convoy). I like the design ideas behind him, but I wish he wasn't so derivative of Optimus with both the red torso and Optimus Prime's head. Still, it'll be interesting to see what that design work is if he comes out

In those stories the Convoys are all sort of made up the same way as unit commanders rather than being a Prime in the sense that we think of it in G1.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088776)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:55am CST
sol magnus wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I have mixed feeling on Lio Convoy (and also Big Convoy). I like the design ideas behind him, but I wish he wasn't so derivative of Optimus with both the red torso and Optimus Prime's head. Still, it'll be interesting to see what that design work is if he comes out

In those stories the Convoys are all sort of made up the same way as unit commanders rather than being a Prime in the sense that we think of it in G1.
Yeah, in Japanese Beast Wars, being a "Supreme Commander" is nothing special.

Now, being a "Great Convoy", in the other hand, that is special, as it's the position of those who sit on the Convoy Council.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088777)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:57am CST
Autobot N wrote:Not 100% Kingdom related, but one of the leakers said Hasbro has started preliminary work on a Voyager Lio Convoy for after WFC if Kingdom does well. As always, take with a grain of salt.

I would love a new voyager Lio and a leader Big Convoy. I love Big Convoy, like a lot
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088778)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:57am CST
sol magnus wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I have mixed feeling on Lio Convoy (and also Big Convoy). I like the design ideas behind him, but I wish he wasn't so derivative of Optimus with both the red torso and Optimus Prime's head. Still, it'll be interesting to see what that design work is if he comes out

In those stories the Convoys are all sort of made up the same way as unit commanders rather than being a Prime in the sense that we think of it in G1.

I know, I'm just meaning in terms of my preference. Cause it's always felt weird to me that the leaders had to look like Optimus despite being a different character. Granted, I could probably justify Lio Convoy as suffering from that psychological thing from IDW where the patient thinks they're a Prime
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088779)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2020 @ 9:58am CST
Sentinel_Primal wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I have mixed feeling on Lio Convoy (and also Big Convoy). I like the design ideas behind him, but I wish he wasn't so derivative of Optimus with both the red torso and Optimus Prime's head. Still, it'll be interesting to see what that design work is if he comes out

In those stories the Convoys are all sort of made up the same way as unit commanders rather than being a Prime in the sense that we think of it in G1.

I know, I'm just meaning in terms of my preference. Cause it's always felt weird to me that the leaders had to look like Optimus despite being a different character. Granted, I could probably justify Lio Convoy as suffering from that psychological thing from IDW where the patient thinks they're a Prime
It's all about that iconography. Gotta make all of the new Convoys look like the original Convoy. ;)
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088780)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 4th, 2020 @ 10:05am CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Not 100% Kingdom related, but one of the leakers said Hasbro has started preliminary work on a Voyager Lio Convoy for after WFC if Kingdom does well. As always, take with a grain of salt.

I would love a new voyager Lio and a leader Big Convoy. I love Big Convoy, like a lot


Seconded!!!
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088781)
Posted by Autobot N on December 4th, 2020 @ 10:08am CST
Sentinel_Primal wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I have mixed feeling on Lio Convoy (and also Big Convoy). I like the design ideas behind him, but I wish he wasn't so derivative of Optimus with both the red torso and Optimus Prime's head. Still, it'll be interesting to see what that design work is if he comes out

In those stories the Convoys are all sort of made up the same way as unit commanders rather than being a Prime in the sense that we think of it in G1.

I know, I'm just meaning in terms of my preference. Cause it's always felt weird to me that the leaders had to look like Optimus despite being a different character. Granted, I could probably justify Lio Convoy as suffering from that psychological thing from IDW where the patient thinks they're a Prime
In my headcanon, he'd be a Prime from the ancient past who is Optimus' "ancestor" (thinking in terms of the new IDW's mentor-mentee relationship, you'd be able to trace a line of mentors and mentees from Optimus all the way back to Lio Convoy).
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088782)
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 4th, 2020 @ 10:11am CST
I really like my TL Lio Convoy though I never bothered with TR Alpha Trion, doubftul that I'd bother with a new lio.

Might be interesting if lio and big convoy sculpts could some how be used for magnaboss tho.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088784)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2020 @ 10:22am CST
I have the Legend Commander Collection version that uses the RobotMasters Lio Convoy mold, and it works well for me even if it is a small Deluxe.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088787)
Posted by just_aCloud on December 4th, 2020 @ 10:39am CST
blackeyedprime wrote:Might be interesting if lio and big convoy sculpts could some how be used for magnaboss tho.
Makes a lot of sense.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088789)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:10am CST
Bone Age wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:Might be interesting if lio and big convoy sculpts could some how be used for magnaboss tho.
Makes a lot of sense.


Agreed! Come to think of it, it makes more sense that magnaboss would be composed of convoys considering tripredacus is composed of predacon council members. And if im not mistaken the maximal council was most if not all convoys lol
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088791)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:12am CST
Sabrblade wrote:I have the Legend Commander Collection version that uses the RobotMasters Lio Convoy mold, and it works well for me even if it is a small Deluxe.

Lio wise, I have the club repaint of T30 Orion Pax, the Prime version, and the original, who is soon to be at long last complete.

Big Convoy wise I have both of the recent figures, the toon accurate one (one of my all time favorite figures) and the Matrix Buster one, who is in beast mode and the matrix buster is with the toon one
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088792)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:13am CST
Hmm could be a case of completing Magnaboss over a couple of years then, big question is really how they could manage it for Tripedacus
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088793)
Posted by Rtron on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:16am CST
Razorbeast88 wrote:
Bone Age wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:Might be interesting if lio and big convoy sculpts could some how be used for magnaboss tho.
Makes a lot of sense.


Agreed! Come to think of it, it makes more sense that magnaboss would be composed of convoys considering tripredacus is composed of predacon council members. And if im not mistaken the maximal council was most if not all convoys lol


It kinda would, although I personally like more the idea that he's just made up of G1 Ironhide, Prowl, and Silverbolt, but in post-upgrade bodies. I find the Optimus Prime derivation a bit boring, despite liking Lio Convoy and Big Convoy as toys.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088797)
Posted by just_aCloud on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:22am CST
Rtron wrote:
Razorbeast88 wrote:
Bone Age wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:Might be interesting if lio and big convoy sculpts could some how be used for magnaboss tho.
Makes a lot of sense.


Agreed! Come to think of it, it makes more sense that magnaboss would be composed of convoys considering tripredacus is composed of predacon council members. And if im not mistaken the maximal council was most if not all convoys lol


It kinda would, although I personally like more the idea that he's just made up of G1 Ironhide, Prowl, and Silverbolt, but in post-upgrade bodies. I find the Optimus Prime derivation a bit boring, despite liking Lio Convoy and Big Convoy as toys.

What makes the most sense to me is that Ironhide could be a retool of Big and Prowl could be a retool of Lio. With Silverbolt as an Airazor retool, you got the whole team.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088799)
Posted by TulioDude on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:25am CST
I know the dinossurs mode aren't the same but with Ractonite,we can pretend he is a zombie version of Guiledart
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
TulioDude wrote:Wonder if the Kingdom cartoon will use Ultra Magnus?

Optimus:I thought Megatron had killed you!

Ultra Magnus:Yeah,but I got better.


Day 336 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.


Just wrong man, just wrong. We should've seen more of that Armada Prime by now, heard it had to be pulled.



Yeah, whatever happened to that Armada Prime Takara teased with the Star Convoy retool or PotP Prime?


Long story short, the cab robot that we saw would cost at least $80 alone and Has/Taks felt collectors wouldn't pay that much.
Translation: they don't think there's a Unicron Trilogy collector's market. :-x :evil:
After all, we've seen what they're willing to do with G1 and BW-based MPs... Especially G1-based MPs that jump through 5-million hoops to duplicate things that, on the cartoon design, were simplifications from the toy. :roll: :BANG_HEAD:


I'm sure that HasTak will realize the untapped potential of revisiting the Unicron Trilogy.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088800)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:25am CST
Rtron wrote:
Razorbeast88 wrote:
Bone Age wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:Might be interesting if lio and big convoy sculpts could some how be used for magnaboss tho.
Makes a lot of sense.


Agreed! Come to think of it, it makes more sense that magnaboss would be composed of convoys considering tripredacus is composed of predacon council members. And if im not mistaken the maximal council was most if not all convoys lol


It kinda would, although I personally like more the idea that he's just made up of G1 Ironhide, Prowl, and Silverbolt, but in post-upgrade bodies. I find the Optimus Prime derivation a bit boring, despite liking Lio Convoy and Big Convoy as toys.


I see where you're coming from. It'd be fun to have lio Convoy, big Convoy, AND the original magnaboss characters. Especially because you can have BW ironhide, prowl, silverbolt, and hopefully grimlock along with the G1 versions of the characters
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088801)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:26am CST
In the pack-in manga that came with the Legends Blue Big Convoy, it was explained that the reason for all of these Convoys existing is that they were created in memory of Optimus Primal's sacrifice at the end of Beast Machines. He himself already had an Optimus/Convoy-styled head (in his BW Season 1 body, that is), so each of the new Convoys got one as well in his honor.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088803)
Posted by just_aCloud on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:34am CST
Razorbeast88 wrote:It'd be fun to have lio Convoy, big Convoy, AND the original magnaboss characters. Especially because you can have BW ironhide, prowl, silverbolt, and hopefully grimlock along with the G1 versions of the characters
Yes please. Grimlock too.

Sabrblade wrote:In the pack-in manga that came with the Legends Blue Big Convoy, it was explained that the reason for all of these Convoys existing is that they were created in memory of Optimus Primal's sacrifice at the end of Beast Machines. He himself already had an Optimus/Convoy-styled head (in his BW Season 1 body, that is), so each of the new Convoys got one as well in his honor.
See I didn't know that. That's cool.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088804)
Posted by Rtron on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:40am CST
Sabrblade wrote:In the pack-in manga that came with the Legends Blue Big Convoy, it was explained that the reason for all of these Convoys existing is that they were created in memory of Optimus Primal's sacrifice at the end of Beast Machines. He himself already had an Optimus/Convoy-styled head (in his BW Season 1 body, that is), so each of the new Convoys got one as well in his honor.


Love it, like people copying the hairstyle of a beloved hero.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088805)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:50am CST
On the topic of new beast ideas for toys and such, I do hope we get a Selects repaint of Dinobot as Grimlock. I want that.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088806)
Posted by just_aCloud on December 4th, 2020 @ 11:54am CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:On the topic of new beast ideas for toys and such, I do hope we get a Selects repaint of Dinobot as Grimlock. I want that.

@Razorbeast88 and I are with you on that.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088808)
Posted by just_aCloud on December 4th, 2020 @ 12:02pm CST
Emerje wrote:
Rogue-Primal wrote:Based on the ammount of figures revealed does anyone think they will make a Kingdom Beast Wars Silverbolt in this line?

There's been some speculation that he might be Airrazor's retool for a potential Magnaboss down the road since she has those strange square holes on her back that don't seem to serve a purpose. She also has all those extra joints in her wings that don't have a purpose other than letting her fold her wings forward and she doesn't even use all of them for that.

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Wait wait wait...aren't those probably just the pegs for her weapons when they aren't in use in robot mode?

Magnaboss Silverbolt has a fair amount of other differences in the transformation, not least of all the way the eagle head becomes Magnaboss's headdress. I don't think this Airazor could easily become that Silverbolt. The response might be "retool" but then why would they go ahead and put the Magnaboss pegs on Airazor's back now when they could have just waited to put them on Silverbolt for the actual retool?

Much as I want you to be on to something with your observations...
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088809)
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 4th, 2020 @ 12:04pm CST
I kinda want a green and black rid2015 Grimlock dinobot reuse too, if they want to call him cruellock I'd be fine with that too (as long as they sort out the dino arms, which if/when I pick up dinobot he's got a date with a hairdryer or very hot water in hopes it sorts them out -if transformation allows).
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088811)
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 4th, 2020 @ 12:29pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Hmm could be a case of completing Magnaboss over a couple of years then, big question is really how they could manage it for Tripedacus


As much as I love Sea Clamp, Ram Horn and okay maybe not so much Cicadacon they could probably do something with the Deluxe Insecticons or retoolings of, to reduce costs. I cant remember what maedia the deluxe insecticons were in so I'm not sure if having all three in deifferent size classes would matter to me (or a combined mode, at least it would be a way of getting all 3 of them).
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088817)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 4th, 2020 @ 12:48pm CST
I don't think they ever appeared in the cartoon series, so comics only?
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088833)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 4th, 2020 @ 4:07pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
G1 Ultra Magnus cannot be done at the Leader price point in this day and age, without compromises of some sort.

Sure, but I don't think having the arms jutting out like that was absolutely necessary either.
I really don't think that they didn't have a choice there if they were going to have the separate cab robot in the first place.
You know how Earthrise Optimus' trailer is such a thin, shrunken shell of the G1 trailer because of mass limits and how much is eaten up by the Voyager-size Prime himself? They were basically in the same boat with Ultra Magnus. They could spare some mass by making the cab what I call a "Voyager lite," but even that wouldn't leave enough mass to do the full G1 trailer with its completely separate, larger set of arms and its larger set of legs without some truly horrific thinning and hollowing.

That meant having to use the cab robot's own arms for both modes, so the arms basically had to be as thick as they are because of the super robot mode - if they weren't that thick, they wouldn't be able to adequately support the forearm armor and shoulder pylons.
If they tied to make arms that thick tuck into the chest a la G1.. Leaving aside the problem of where to put the hands, that would require part of his torso to be a mere 1cm wide. Which... doesn't exactly seem like it would look or function well.

So, they either had to stick them behind the cab and minimize their presence as best as possible (probably banking on the white to quasi-camouflage the hands), or borrow CW Optimus' engineering and have the arms and shoulders make the front of the cab. The latter would have resulted in a cleaner look and probably been friendlier to the Galaxy Upgrade retool, but I think it would have caused some trouble for wearing the armor, so...

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Nor do I think smaller hands would be as bad as you make them out to be.
I think they would, I think hands small enough to fold into the forearms without interfering with the armor connector ports would look really shrimpy in his armored mode. On top of that, they'd give Mags a moderate case of Slag Hands Syndrome in that mode. What's Slag Hands Syndrome?
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A term I just coined for the problem of a character's hand being so small relative to their forearm that it causes problems for holding weapons. I decided to name it after Slag because he's an early example and has a very severe case.

One more thing is that such hands would also surely come at the cost of exposed arm gaps, so there's that to think about as well.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I mean, your own failure of imagination and the current design doesn't mean it's impossible.
I resent that remark. I've actually been brainstorming about this ever since SIEGE Magnus was revealed...

Gauntlet101010 wrote:It just means that they didn't see the need to make the cab stand on it's own and, therefore, made a kinda crummy design.
I think they did the best that could be managed under the circumstances.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Moreover, there's no need to shout and be rude. It's not going to convince me that they didn't fail in making a good standalone cab. Writing louder, longer posts sure isn't going to get your point across. It just makes you seem kinda obstinate.
I'm sorry for shouting...

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Edit:
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For the record, this is the design you're defending to the death here. It's not good.

In my opinion. :roll:
I don't think it's great, but I think it's the best that they could have done under the circumstances and thus it's at least passable. It's not like, say, MPM Ironhide's feet, where there's no excuse.

I like Emerje's idea of some sort of accessory to cover the hands. I understand not doing that in SIEGE because of the secondary cannons. Although come to think about it, sacrificing those cannons on the Kingdom release might have been to free up mass for those new trailer side panels with the imitations of the G1 trailer's pillars.

Oh well, maybe something for somebody with a 3D rendering program to put up on Shapeways or Thingiverse. Note that I didn't say third party, because I have lost all faith in the 3P hacks to provide actually-useful upgrade parts going forward.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088836)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on December 4th, 2020 @ 5:17pm CST
I think they did the best that could be managed under the circumstances.

You just have to accept that I don't agree with you.

They've designed tons of G1 Primes at this point. A lot of them are small too, making the most out of just a few parts.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:TF-WFC-Kin ... -Prime.jpg

I don't see why something like this design is impossible, for instance. I'm going through legends class and all those seem to have viable transformations schemes that don't require robot arms to stick out of the back of the cab.

Anyway.

The cab looks bad. I think it was entirely avoidable. That's the last I'll say on it because it's just derailing the entire thread and we're going in circles.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088844)
Posted by william-james88 on December 4th, 2020 @ 5:51pm CST
Which cab looks worse: The Magnus Cab or the POTP Optimus Prime cab?
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088846)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on December 4th, 2020 @ 6:16pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Which cab looks worse: The Magnus Cab or the POTP Optimus Prime cab?

(Quickly looks that up)

Wow, that's abysmal. It's like it has a cancerous growth on the back of it's truck mode! There really should be a "worst iteration of G1 Prime's cab" list.

So, it's a choice between to robot arms sticking out the back and robot feet poking out like feet from under a blanker that's too small. Or a massive pile of garbage that, while not looking like a defined robot, also doesn't look like a truck either.

I'd have to say Primes looks worse. I mean, at least Siege or Kingdom looks like a defined, solid vehicle. Not a convincing one. Even the legs aren't really solid. But it doesn't look like it's barely holding itself together either.

So, I guess there's that!
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088848)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 4th, 2020 @ 6:20pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Which cab looks worse: The Magnus Cab or the POTP Optimus Prime cab?
Are you asking about the Kingdom version? (Since this is the Kingdom thread :-D ) I don't think we can make a correct judgment until the Magnus cab is actually in hand. But from the looks of it so far, I'll go with the Magnus cab being slightly worse. Slightly. At least Orion didn't have his hands blatantly sticking out. His legs folded up there but at least there was an attempt to make it look somewhat disguised.

I also believe, that if the Magnus arms were necessary to be so thick, they could have had the hands fold in.
Re: New Video Review of Transformers Kingdom Voyager Class Optimus Primal (2088854)
Posted by BeastWarrior on December 4th, 2020 @ 8:36pm CST
So, I keep hearing that it's insisted that figures like Inferno (Ant), Terrorsaur and Tarantulas may never see the light of day in the Kingdom line. It's a dirty shame if any of you ask me. I'm happy to see that we can get pretty much all the original Maximals from season 1, but not all the Beast Wars Predacons.

I'm probably one of the many who is going to have to improvise to fill in the gaps. Inferno is the easiest to fill, since his original toy was actually really decent. Terrorsaur and Tarantulas however? I was hoping we'd get to see them get some MUCH needed TLC, since they really need, in terms of scale, articulation, and their beast modes. Am I the only one who thinks Tarantulas' original toy looks more like a scarab beetle than a tarantula?

If we can't get them for Kingdom? If there's ANYONE in this forum whose in touch with one of those third-party companies? Drop 'em some hints, and let's all pray to Primus they can pull through.

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