Official Images for Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Super Ginrai

william-james88 wrote:We have the best look yet at his headmaster figure which is Hi-Q.

But... it's Ginrai...

In any case that Optimus head looks really nice. It's a pretty cool extra.

I don't usually fan boy over toys (mostly because I hate fanboys) but God damn Ginrai looks absolutely perfect. I'm so glad I waited for him to be revealed.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

So pretty.

Randomhero wrote:Doesn't matter if you like the comics are not. It's what it's based on. His entire head is based on IDWs head and the colors are as well.

It's like posting a comparison of apples and oranges and saying "I know I should compare an orange with a clementine but I don't like clementines"

The charts aren't designed the map out every source of inspiration behind the new figures. They are mostly a tool to help decide which version to get (Hasbro or Takara) based on which is closer to the cartoon (or toy) since this is what I'm interested in. If a character has a Masterpiece figure I might throw it in for fun, to see how its cartoon-accuracy compares with the new figure.
If someone wants to make ones with the IDW designs they are certainly welcome to.

william-james88 wrote:I was looking at pics of Brainstorm's vehicle mode in the US cartoon and that voyager still nails it better than all the rest:



And Cyberpath, here is that image in colour:

Thanks, Will! But yeah, that's the one that I found, too. Unfortunately it's from the Marvel Comics profile pages; they tend to be more crude and don't always match the actual animation cels...



I considered painting the lineart from The Ark, but it seems that particular one was traced (rather poorly) from the Marvel Comic profile, so didn't think it was worth the effort of laying down the flats.

Wish there were a book with all the colour models from the Sunbow show.

william-james88 wrote:

Want.

Cyberpath wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Doesn't matter if you like the comics are not. It's what it's based on. His entire head is based on IDWs head and the colors are as well.

It's like posting a comparison of apples and oranges and saying "I know I should compare an orange with a clementine but I don't like clementines"

The charts aren't designed the map out every source of inspiration behind the new figures. They are mostly a tool to help decide which version to get (Hasbro or Takara) based on which is closer to the cartoon (or toy) since this is what I'm interested in.

Even if it's a mold that based directly on a non-cartoon comic design more than anything? In the case of Voyager Brainstorm, it's based on Nick Roche's MTMTE design, with the Hasbro version reflecting that in its deco while Takara tried coloring it more like the 1987 toy's deco. In this example, it's a mold sculpted to resemble neither the original toy nor any of the cartoon models, and is colored by both companies in non-cartoon-based decos.

Frankly, the Voyager might as well have been left out from this comparison altogether since it's not based on what you're interested in.

Cyberpath wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Want.

Staring right into my soul. Curses!

steals_your_goats wrote:I don't usually fan boy over toys (mostly because I hate fanboys) but God damn Ginrai looks absolutely perfect. I'm so glad I waited for him to be revealed.

I am such a sucker for value and getting more ang for your buck and man even if I dont like those feet, this toy has that. I always assumed he'd be at a higher price point since TFSource is charging 95$ for him. That turns out to be 10$ more than the MSRP and its a nonsense figure, especially when they charge 75$ for Blaster. Probably curreny caught up to them in between the months.

Anyways, I thought he was a higher price point. But he isnt, and yet they give you all that retooling and he is huge compared to the Hasbro leader. Thats good value and I might jump on him now.

itscramtastic wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I wonder if he can bend his arm enough to perch Blaster on/over his shoulder like a true 80's hero on the street would?

I feel like we saw that picture somewhere..

Til all are JAMMIN' ON THE ONE!

Cobotron wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I wonder if he can bend his arm enough to perch Blaster on/over his shoulder like a true 80's hero on the street would?

I feel like we saw that picture somewhere..

Til all are JAMMIN' ON THE ONE!

Thank you Cobro

This all looks awesome...and expensive. Sorry Takara, I'm going all in on this line, so I gotta go with Hasbro.

Damn you Takara, why do you have to make Soundwave look that good. I have absolutely no need for it and nowhere to put it, but dang it I need to have it

Sigma Magnus wrote:This all looks awesome...and expensive. Sorry Takara, I'm going all in on this line, so I gotta go with Hasbro.

I'm stuck in a similar dilemma. This is currently what I am struggling with: what if Takara releases Godbomber to go with their Ginrai? Hasbro might do it for theirs, but what if one looks much better? It keeps happening in the RID line where a cool product gets released only to be outdone by and even better one.

Man I just wished I saw what they were all planning before i made my purchase.

Cobotron wrote:

Best image here, no doubt.

And everytime I see Ginrai, I look at those feet. that is the one thing that I do not like, Godbomber or no

Properly coloured Hi-Q! And no dorky looking Orion head! More reasons for me to order Takara's Prime over Hasbro's

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

This is first time I've actually been excited about a G1 Optimus Prime since the original Powermaster figure (the only one of my original collection I still own).


Just wondering if I will repaint Prime's eyes red or not. I do prefer the red.

(base mode still looks like garbage but I won't use that anyways, especially as the main reason I used it on the original figure was for when using the smaller Prime figure formed from the cab which this doesn't do)

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

But it already says Ginrai on the box

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

But it already says Ginrai on the box

We have pics of this toy in box? Can you give me a link, that would be newsworthy.

Don't like Soundwave or his minions at all so pass on those.

I like Brainstorm's colours but he just looks weird without his mouthplate to me. I know it's japanese cartoon accurate but screw that. I want the Walgreens one if I can find it available to the UK.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

But it already says Ginrai on the box

We have pics of this toy in box? Can you give me a link, that would be newsworthy.

No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

Well, I mean; Ginrai or some variation thereof. Translations differ from place to place.

Cobotron wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I wonder if he can bend his arm enough to perch Blaster on/over his shoulder like a true 80's hero on the street would?

I feel like we saw that picture somewhere..

Til all are JAMMIN' ON THE ONE!

now get one of him in a break dance position with blaster

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

But Ginrai isn't a Convoy. Japan knows he's not the same character as Optimus like Convoy is. They're the ones who made the distinction in the first place.

And outside of special cases like Scorponok/MegaZarak and Fortress/Fortress Maximus, the little Headmasters don't get their own unique names in Japanese fiction, as they're the same identity as the larger bodies. The little Headmaster here is still Ginrai just as the Transtector body is Ginrai (though, in this case, this toy represents Ginrai's Double On mode Super Ginrai, as the normal Ginrai transtector cab is fully integrated with the trailer this time around).

I didn't mean that. Was just giving examples about English names on the box that weren't the Japanese names. Like when convoy is written as optimus. LG 02 is a good example.

william-james88 wrote:I didn't mean that. Was just giving examples about English names on the box that weren't the Japanese names. Like when convoy is written as optimus. LG 02 is a good example.

I see. But in this case, Ginrai doesn't have an English name (outside of some DVD subtitles that just used the Japanese name).

Takara's Super Ginrai retool is superior in almost every way to Hasbro's Powermaster Optimus Prime...except for those damned feet! >.<

This is an example of how going too G1 works against a figure. Just replace those weird "stilts" with the original Hasbro feet, and Ginrai would be absolutely perfect. Here's hoping there's a way to at least fiddle with those weird foot struts to make them angle out a bit more.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

But Ginrai isn't a Convoy. Japan knows he's not the same character as Optimus like Convoy is. They're the ones who made the distinction in the first place.

And outside of special cases like Scorponok/MegaZarak and Fortress/Fortress Maximus, the little Headmasters don't get their own unique names in Japanese fiction, as they're the same identity as the larger bodies. The little Headmaster here is still Ginrai just as the Transtector body is Ginrai (though, in this case, this toy represents Ginrai's Double On mode Super Ginrai, as the normal Ginrai transtector cab is fully integrated with the trailer this time around).

Japan etymology has Gin as silver. So Silver or something shiny. Rai is like thunder. So "silver thunder" or Shining Thunder? Kind of reminds me of one of Starscream's nick name "silver snake".

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

But Ginrai isn't a Convoy. Japan knows he's not the same character as Optimus like Convoy is. They're the ones who made the distinction in the first place.

And outside of special cases like Scorponok/MegaZarak and Fortress/Fortress Maximus, the little Headmasters don't get their own unique names in Japanese fiction, as they're the same identity as the larger bodies. The little Headmaster here is still Ginrai just as the Transtector body is Ginrai (though, in this case, this toy represents Ginrai's Double On mode Super Ginrai, as the normal Ginrai transtector cab is fully integrated with the trailer this time around).

Japan etymology has Gin as silver. So Silver or something shiny. Rai is like thunder. So "silver thunder" or Shining Thunder? Kind of reminds me of one of Starscream's nick name "silver snake".

Japanese has only one character set (hira- + katakana) per sound, however English uses multiple, which is why proper translations are difficult at times (see "Gregevor" vs. "Greejeeber", same pronunciation). Standard transliterations use the "g" as the voiced "k" (like in "get"), but English uses it for the "j"-sound as well (like "gee").
The proper transliteration, and pronunciation, for his name is "Jinrai", but since the "g" can do double duty, TakaraTomy spells it as "Ginrai", just cause. "Gin" (with the soft "k") does indeed mean silver (in compounds), but that's not part of the meaning for "Jinrai/Ginrai"

Besides, names in katakana (most if not all Transformer names are in katakana) are hardly ever translated, since they're mostly proper nouns or loanwords.

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

But Ginrai isn't a Convoy. Japan knows he's not the same character as Optimus like Convoy is. They're the ones who made the distinction in the first place.

And outside of special cases like Scorponok/MegaZarak and Fortress/Fortress Maximus, the little Headmasters don't get their own unique names in Japanese fiction, as they're the same identity as the larger bodies. The little Headmaster here is still Ginrai just as the Transtector body is Ginrai (though, in this case, this toy represents Ginrai's Double On mode Super Ginrai, as the normal Ginrai transtector cab is fully integrated with the trailer this time around).

Japan etymology has Gin as silver. So Silver or something shiny. Rai is like thunder. So "silver thunder" or Shining Thunder? Kind of reminds me of one of Starscream's nick name "silver snake".

It is a soft "G". The "Gin" in Ginrai is ジン, literally "Jin". It's not 銀 or ぎん "Gin", which would be the silver you're thinking of. Also, "gin" and "jin" phonetically can have several meanings, so without a kanji ascribed to them to give them meaning it's a nonsense name.

But going back to the point there's no reason to assume the headmaster will be referred to as Hi-Q or anything other than just Ginrai. The head IS Ginrai, the body is just a transtector (originally meant for Optimus Prime but that's another story). Referring to it as Hi-Q in news posts is incorrect until proven otherwise, and misleading. None of the other Legends headmasters have given their heads separate names on the packaging, I don't expect Super Ginrai to be an exception.

Thanks for reminding me that LG Metroplex is unequivocally superior and I don't have one and he's crazy expensive on the aftermarket, asshole.

Yet another comparison picture comes from TFYuki's Twitter Account courtesy of Seibertronian Cyberpath. This time he's comparing the upcoming Transformers Legends LG-31 Fortress Maximus with the figure the mighty Headmaster leader is heavily retooled from; TG-23 Metroplex, from Takara's former Transformers Generations line. Check out the comparison below and tell us what you think of these two titans!

I really like how much thicker Max looks. Waiting for a good sale, but I'm looking forward to having him in-hand.

RNSrobot wrote:I really like how much thicker Max looks. Waiting for a good sale, but I'm looking forward to having him in-hand.

Same, looking at this picture it really makes him stand out from Metroplex imo. That added bulk really helps.
... of course, I'm saying this as if I'm interested in any titan that's not a decepticon t-rex

TAKARA colors are way better than hasbro's version... I am buying this one

I'd consider swapping the knees over between Metroplex and Fort Max I suspect it might make both of them look better.


Also I agree the Takara colours are FAR superior to the Hasbro ones, it still might be worth buying both for the sake of the remoulded pieces though.

I do however still think the G1 toy is a better "toy" it does more and has more play features - the flat ramps also mean it play integrates with little cars much nicer too.

I'd like there to be a Grand Maximus repaint if only as I don't have him in any form at all that might fit in nice with some future potential repaints that might get made too.

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It is a shame they no longer make Ultra scale as if they did that might be a nice size to use for the likes of : Ape Face, Snapdragon, Double Dealer and also Dreadwind & Darkwing. Though Double Dealer would make a great leader - especially if they put a lot of effort into a sexy bird mode and maybe relented and made actual "Powermasters" as well.
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As for Jinrai isn't it simply a Japanese guys name like Tomoaki or Shigaru or this list :

Haruto
Yuto
Sota
Yuki
Hayato
Haruki
Ryusei
Koki
Sora
Sosuke
Riku
Soma
Ryota
Rui
Kaito
Haru
Kota
Yusei
Yuito
Yuma
Ren
Takumi
Minato
Eita
Shota
Daiki
Hiroto
Kosei
Takeru
Hinata
Toma
Manato
Ryuki
Rikuto
Aoto
Ibuki
Tatsuki
Haruma
Yamato
Ryuto
Taisei
Yuta
Itsuki
Soshi
Taiga
Kosuke
Shoma
Yushin
Ryuga
Ryo
& Rento

RAR wrote:
As for Jinrai isn't it simply a Japanese guys name like Tomoaki or Shigaru or this list

Actually, Ginrai's name was made up - in a way that, in Japanese, if you remove every second syllable it spells Godzilla.
As an aspiring writer this sort of shit is what inspires me. There's no real reason for it. It doesn't really link into the theming of Masterforce as far as I'm aware. They just did it because Godzilla.

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:
As for Jinrai isn't it simply a Japanese guys name like Tomoaki or Shigaru or this list

Actually, Ginrai's name was made up - in a way that, in Japanese, if you remove every second syllable it spells Godzilla.
As an aspiring writer this sort of **** is what inspires me. There's no real reason for it. It doesn't really link into the theming of Masterforce as far as I'm aware. They just did it because Godzilla.

And as a happy accident, it ends up sounding like "thunder god" in Japanese.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:
As for Jinrai isn't it simply a Japanese guys name like Tomoaki or Shigaru or this list

Actually, Ginrai's name was made up - in a way that, in Japanese, if you remove every second syllable it spells Godzilla.
As an aspiring writer this sort of **** is what inspires me. There's no real reason for it. It doesn't really link into the theming of Masterforce as far as I'm aware. They just did it because Godzilla.

And as a happy accident, it ends up sounding like "thunder god" in Japanese.

I know you were going for "Raijin", but if you switch the two syllables, you get "Godly Thunder"?

'God Thunder' would be a good name for Diaclone coloured Ultra Magnus.

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I think Jinrai (or Ginrai) works just great as a Japanese boys name - I've long suspected that Anakin will be a regular boys name that people forget was made up for a Movie by the 22nd Century.
Leia is normalised already - though I'm not sure if that was a legit name or not anyway when I first heard it I always took it as a bastardised version of other names like Laia & Leia & Leaha but it is a legit name supposedly as Luke was.. Leia is actually Hebrew curiously.
But I don't think people automatically think Star Wars when they hear it. so I do wonder could someone "Get away" with Ginrai in Japan ?

RAR wrote:'God Thunder' would be a good name for Diaclone coloured Ultra Magnus.

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I think Jinrai (or Ginrai) works just great as a Japanese boys name - I've long suspected that Anakin will be a regular boys name that people forget was made up for a Movie by the 22nd Century.
Leia is normalised already - though I'm not sure if that was a legit name or not anyway when I first heard it I always took it as a bastardised version of other names like Laia & Leia & Leaha but it is a legit name supposedly as Luke was.. Leia is actually Hebrew curiously.
But I don't think people automatically think Star Wars when they hear it. so I do wonder could someone "Get away" with Ginrai in Japan ?

I'd name a kid Ginrai. Or at least a character.

TF YUKI

I wonder if Takara will fit this "Ginrai" into what continuity as in the original Masterforce, the Transtector actually acquired a "spark" without theneed for Ginrai? So the cab portion is no longer needed so to speak. And in Victory, it seems that Godbomber was permanently bonded to "him"

Or will this be just a wack pocket universe back story as seen in the instruction manuals.

Gawd I miss those JP catalogs of yester years.

Logan79 wrote:TF YUKI

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder if Takara will fit this "Ginrai" into what continuity as in the original Masterforce, the Transtector actually acquired a "spark" without theneed for Ginrai? So the cab portion is no longer needed so to speak. And in Victory, it seems that Godbomber was permanently bonded to "him"

Or will this be just a wack pocket universe back story as seen in the instruction manuals.

Gawd I miss those JP catalogs of yester years.

Best guess is the Japanese G1 cartoon continuity like the others.

As to a specific point in the timeline, though, the online comic with the Headmasters and non-Headmasters-who-became-Headmasters losing this bodies was set in 2021, after Masterforce but before Victory. But, as the Transtector gained a life of its own at the end of Masterforce, like you said, maybe the Legends toy form would be a temporary form he'd take that would have him re-bond with his former human host as a Headmaster, and would then ultimately get turned back to normal later on so as to prevent contradicting Victory.

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:I wonder if Takara will fit this "Ginrai" into what continuity as in the original Masterforce, the Transtector actually acquired a "spark" without theneed for Ginrai? So the cab portion is no longer needed so to speak. And in Victory, it seems that Godbomber was permanently bonded to "him"

Or will this be just a wack pocket universe back story as seen in the instruction manuals.

Gawd I miss those JP catalogs of yester years.

Best guess is the Japanese G1 cartoon continuity like the others.

As to a specific point in the timeline, though, the online comic with the Headmasters and non-Headmasters-who-became-Headmasters losing this bodies was set in 2021, after Masterforce but before Victory. But, as the Transtector gained a life of its own at the end of Masterforce, like you said, maybe the Legends toy form would be a temporary form he'd take that would have him re-bond with his former human host as a Headmaster, and would then ultimately get turned back to normal later on so as to prevent contradicting Victory.

I was then under the impression that this is the transtector brought to life but given how the headmaster part by Takara is painted flesh like Ginrai, this indeed left me head scratching.

After that universal bomb thingie by Scorponok which affected those HM (so he survived being possessed by Devil Z in Masterforce?) which lead to this toyline timeline is gonna give the retro writers a headache. Either that or the wacky story in the instruction manual.

Courtesy of fellow Seibertronian Logan79, we have two more comparison pictures from TFYuki's Twitter account which should prove very useful to many of you - both including the previous picture's LG-31 Fortress Maximus and TG-23 Metroplex. The first picture also features the deluxe-sized LG-21 Hardhead and the leader-sized LG-27 Broadcast (Blaster), while the second picture features the previous line's Titan Class figure - UW-04 Devastator! Take a look below and tell us if this influences your choice on buying the Headmaster Titan!

Hm nope. These just don't do it for me. I can't justify paying loads of money for a giant mass of plastic that doesn't actually turn into anything decent (and certainly wouldn't fit on any of my shelves too). It's making me worry about Scorponok too whenever he gets made cos he'll likely get made giant to compete with the Autobots here and cos of the cartoon when I far, faaaar prefer the Marvel Comics Scorponok character who was relatively normal sized (if larger than most bots... same goes for Fort Max) and had decent characterisation (particularly loved his sacrifice against Unicron which felt far more natural a heroic deed for a Decepticon than turning Megatron into an Autobot). I'd love a brand new Scorpy but not a giant.