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Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Thursday, July 21st, 2016 2:34PM CDT

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You saw the images of Liokaiser on the show floor and now we have the Official Images from Hasbro!

Below you will find the images for the bot mode and alt mode of Dezarus, Guyhawk, Fellbat, Ironbison, Drillhorn, and Ion Scythe. We still do not know when they will be released. The box seems to be a platinum release so this may be exclusive to one specific retailer (still unnanounced).

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC

Transformers News: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC
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Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807689)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:36pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:If I do manage to get this guy, I actually want to try turning the tanks 90 degrees so the turret is on the outside like the original toy, see how that looks. and, so long as it doesn't look weird, keep both tanks fully extended instead of flipping the feet up like Brawl's directions call for

Keeping both tanks fully extended is how one of the Hasbro Mockup pictures has him. It makes hiom look very long legged.

As to turning the tanks, remember the Combiner Knee joint is dependent on the big peg bending backwards. Turnign the leg sideways will turn the Knee. You might be able to use one of the Sky Lynx/Dezaras leg joints, but that will significantly decrease the length of the thigh.

I have been standing my combiners Straight legged for the shelf, so that really isn't too big an issue withe me
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807690)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:37pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:If I do manage to get this guy, I actually want to try turning the tanks 90 degrees so the turret is on the outside like the original toy, see how that looks. and, so long as it doesn't look weird, keep both tanks fully extended instead of flipping the feet up like Brawl's directions call for

Keeping both tanks fully extended is how one of the Hasbro Mockup pictures has him. It makes hiom look very long legged.

As to turning the tanks, remember the Combiner Knee joint is dependent on the big peg bending backwards. Turnign the leg sideways will turn the Knee. You might be able to use one of the Sky Lynx/Dezaras leg joints, but that will significantly decrease the length of the thigh.

I have been standing my combiners Straight legged for the shelf, so that really isn't too big an issue withe me

Then in that case, it shoudl work beautifuly for ya. ;)^
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807699)
Posted by william-james88 on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:45pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:
Flashwave wrote:Full disclosure: I don't care if this combiner was named Barney Fife. It's another Decepticon COmbiner and I want that. More Cons.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with the more cons sentiment.
Luckily I have no emotional/nostalgic attachment to LionCaesar so I'm ok with most of this update/homage.
Although at this point I think I'm done with CW. We'll see.

Is the little falcon dude a new mold, or is it a re-purposed Micron?

Remember when I found the crazy micron bow gun online? He was in there (he's at the front:

Image

And I ake it yourwont be getting Computron?
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807702)
Posted by RAR on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
I anticipate a 3rd party kit being made for this to add accuracy to the tanks.

I will admit it's fair to complain that the black on Dezarus isn't entirely successful. He actually needs some of those black pieces to be teal really to work well.

But it's a Decepticon and not one we usually see so for that reason I'm OK with it existing. and frankly if it bothers you that much there is always a perfectly respectable 3rd party option for the Character.

But some of the complaints are quite reasonable - like yes one of those tanks would have been better if it was using the modified rook mode.

I hope Hasbro make some vs packs using Combiner Wars moulds that would help fill in some of the missing characters including for this set.

I was a little ambiguous in my feelings about the Blue-Bluestreak being a club toy as I was with the Botcon Ratchet. I think that isn't really how they should have been sold to the public - they are not niche enough to be sold in such a niche way.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807703)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
Flashwave wrote:Full disclosure: I don't care if this combiner was named Barney Fife. It's another Decepticon COmbiner and I want that. More Cons.
r :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with the more cons sentiment.
Luckily I have no emotional/nostalgic attachment to LionCaesar so I'm ok with most of this update/homage.
Although at this point I think I'm done with CW. We'll see.

Is the little falcon dude a new mold, or is it a re-purposed Micron?

Remember when I found the crazy micron bow gun online? He was in there (he's at the front:

Image

And I ake it yourwont be getting Computron?

I eill probably be douple dipping, sadly. Someone had to point out that the Hasbro Nosecone and Strafe make a good version of SkyFeather and Heatrock. And for some reason I prefer the orange Afterburner.

And I would liek to know why every iteration of that Micron I have ends up being a darker blue. I even bought one to serve as Jackpot's partner and he's dark too.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807706)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:51pm CDT
Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807708)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 2:56pm CDT
RAR wrote:I anticipate a 3rd party kit being made for this to add accuracy to the tanks.

I anticipate third parties doing a lot more than that for this guy
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807712)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:04pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807715)
Posted by william-james88 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:06pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?


The torso's hips arent loose?
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807716)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:06pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?

Most of them have garbage thigh joints, and the dino feet are too wide for the ankle cover on the combiner thighs. The shoulders don't lock in securely at all, and the plastic is squishy to the touch
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807722)
Posted by Noideaforaname on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:08pm CDT
It's bizarre how they fused 3 separate characters into one using a mold that doesn't fit any of them (or really anyone besides Sky Lynx), while making the Mini-Con a brand new character.
... although I kinda want that Dezarus, as a Nemesis Sky Lynx!
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807724)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:09pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?


The torso's hips arent loose?

Sky Lynx doesnt stay combined for me like Superion or Defensor, but let me go put him together. This is all mews to me. Mine came from BBTS in a case with Onslaught.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807725)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:11pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?


The torso's hips arent loose?

Sky Lynx doesnt stay combined for me like Superion or Defensor, but let me go put him together. This is all mews to me. Mine came from BBTS in a case with Onslaught.

So did mine, and he'll fall over or do the splits if you cough in another room
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807726)
Posted by william-james88 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:12pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?

Most of them have garbage thigh joints, and the dino feet are too wide for the ankle cover on the combiner thighs. The shoulders don't lock in securely at all, and the plastic is squishy to the touch

We now know why its squishy, its because its a "flying" toy. That doesnt explain why hotspot had tha squishy platic too though.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807730)
Posted by Cobotron on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:15pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?


The torso's hips arent loose?

Sky Lynx doesnt stay combined for me like Superion or Defensor, but let me go put him together. This is all mews to me. Mine came from BBTS in a case with Onslaught.
I got the same case pack, and I have no issues with hips or joints. The plastic is squishy, but... what evs.

Those head sculpts +
Hellscream wrote: can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus
= a slight tinge of The WANTS! :BANG_HEAD:

Edit: and Will, if you were asking me about computron. UW has been a thought. Let's say, he's on the table.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807732)
Posted by Autobot N on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:17pm CDT
Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807733)
Posted by Noideaforaname on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:19pm CDT
Squishy plastic? Wha? Nothing remotely soft on my Sky Lynx. The thin blue parts have a bit of bend, but nothing approaching 'squishy'.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807734)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:21pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Liokaiser looks amazing, I can't believe they went full out on the new headsculpts, they're gorgeous, can't wait to combine them with Galvatronus. I hope to Primus that dezarus doesn't carry over the woeful plastic and qc issue's of sky lynx, but if the other gift sets are anything to go by, he will >:oP
what QC issues? My Sky Lynx haan't given me any issues?


The torso's hips arent loose?

Sky Lynx doesnt stay combined for me like Superion or Defensor, but let me go put him together. This is all mews to me. Mine came from BBTS in a case with Onslaught.

So did mine, and he'll fall over or do the splits if you cough in another room

When you guys say squishy plastic, are we talkimg about Universe Prowl issues? Cause I DEFINATELY don't see that. I am not aure what you mean by ankle covers and dino feet. The Hop ratchets seem tight enough to me. They are certainly tighter than Superion. Here he is standing on a Mattress. And yes, Skydive had a mishap with a wing.Image
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807735)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:24pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:When you guys say squishy plastic, are we talkimg about Universe Prowl issues? Cause I DEFINATELY don't see that. I am not aure what you mean by ankle covers and dino feet. The Hop ratchets seem tight enough to me. They are certainly tighter than Superion. Here he is standing on a Mattress. And yes, Skydive had a mishap with a wing.Image

Then you got very lucky if that's the case ;)

Mine can't hold a dynamic pose very well (and by that, just a standard slightly spread legs angle forward one click)
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807737)
Posted by william-james88 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:25pm CDT
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807738)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:27pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:When you guys say squishy plastic, are we talkimg about Universe Prowl issues? Cause I DEFINATELY don't see that. I am not aure what you mean by ankle covers and dino feet. The Hop ratchets seem tight enough to me. They are certainly tighter than Superion. Here he is standing on a Mattress. And yes, Skydive had a mishap with a wing.Image

Then you got very lucky if that's the case ;)

Mine can't hold a dynamic pose very well (and by that, just a standard slightly spread legs angle forward one click)

You have me scared for Dezaras now...

just set Sky Reign on the dining room table. He is slightly back heavy, i watched mibe lean back on the thumb/heel. But its not any more than the feet could handle. I am still curious what you mean about the plastic
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807740)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:29pm CDT
Surprised some of the molds haven't totally degenerated from overuse by now. Easy pass.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807741)
Posted by william-james88 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:30pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:When you guys say squishy plastic, are we talkimg about Universe Prowl issues? Cause I DEFINATELY don't see that. I am not aure what you mean by ankle covers and dino feet. The Hop ratchets seem tight enough to me. They are certainly tighter than Superion. Here he is standing on a Mattress. And yes, Skydive had a mishap with a wing.Image

Then you got very lucky if that's the case ;)

Mine can't hold a dynamic pose very well (and by that, just a standard slightly spread legs angle forward one click)

You have me scared for Dezaras now...

just set Sky Reign on the dining room table. He is slightly back heavy, i watched mibe lean back on the thumb/heel. But its not any more than the feet could handle. I am still curious what you mean about the plastic


What I mean is this. take the blue part out of his wings and place your thumb and index finger at the top and bottom of the wing and press. See if the plastic bends or stays rigid.

And its not the hip ratchets, its how loose they are to move back and forth.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807743)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:34pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:When you guys say squishy plastic, are we talkimg about Universe Prowl issues? Cause I DEFINATELY don't see that. I am not aure what you mean by ankle covers and dino feet. The Hop ratchets seem tight enough to me. They are certainly tighter than Superion. Here he is standing on a Mattress. And yes, Skydive had a mishap with a wing.

Then you got very lucky if that's the case ;)

Mine can't hold a dynamic pose very well (and by that, just a standard slightly spread legs angle forward one click)

You have me scared for Dezaras now...

just set Sky Reign on the dining room table. He is slightly back heavy, i watched mibe lean back on the thumb/heel. But its not any more than the feet could handle. I am still curious what you mean about the plastic

Eh, it's just thin, and softer than normal, it's most noticeable on the legs of hotspot, it's just an undesirable feeling when handling the figure, and I remember noticing it when playing with sky lynx.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807748)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:40pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807752)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:47pm CDT
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807753)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:50pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

To further add to that, why haven't they done any generations style updates to any figures from victory or other Japan exclusive shows? They've done their own thing, but have never touched on their own past. I'd think a combining Victory Leo and Star Saber would have gone over huge over there, unless nostalgia works differently in their culture Image
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807756)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 3:53pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

Because every other Combiner is much more relevant and popular?
Just because he's from Japan doesn't mean the Japanese fans don't like their Devastators and Superions more. Even in Japan the likes of Victory are still obscure compared to the original three seasons. A lot of people don't seem to understand this fsr
Just because they haven't done him before doesn't mean they won't do him. I don't see why him being a Japanese character means anything at all other than it makes Takara more likely to do him.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807763)
Posted by CommanderShadowmus on July 21st, 2016 @ 4:08pm CDT
Deadput wrote:
CommanderShadowmus wrote:Things that went wrong:
-Killbison renamed into Ironbison
-Hellbat renamed into Fellbat
-Killbison being toy-accurate gold instead of screen-accurate orange
-Killbison being a single-barreled tank and not a double-barreled tank
-Gaihawk being misspelled as Guyhawk
-Grey horns and batwings on the heads of Killbison and Hellbat
-Deszaras (just the whole figure)
-Black head on Liokaiser

Liokaiser is my favorite Combiner of them all and this actually kinda brings him to shame...



1 and 2: Name changes is justified this is north America and these toys are for children they kinda can't have kill or hell in their toys names.

3: Oh no a character is only a slightly different color shade and looks like one version of him instead of another oh the horror!

4: Does it really matter how many cannons this guy has?

5: Two different spellings of the same name boo hoo.

6: and 8: Oh god color changes everything is terrible Hasblow has failed us again I couldn't just paint over the grey!

7: I agree bad mold choice but I think the paint is great on him.


Sure, we can paint the ears and horns the right color but because this is a box set we shouldn't have to! And hey, I'm very sure only adollecent and adult collectors would pick this up!

Also, ''Pinkie's'', name is spelled Gaihawk in the subtitles of the Victory cartoon!

And hey, NONE of Killbison's toys (HasTak and 3rd party) were show accurate orange! Always being gold like the old toy! And Hasbro should have remolded Killbison's turret too!

Again, Liokaiser is my favorite Combiner, and I don't mind Hasbro turning him into a 5-member Scramble City style Combiner, but I do mind Hasbro doing such an awful job of it!
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807765)
Posted by Tharag on July 21st, 2016 @ 4:09pm CDT
Gotta say, Hasbro went to a lot more effort then I was expecting on this, what with everyone getting brand new head sculpts. Yeah, maybe the Rook retool from Takara's Computron would be more accurate for Drillhorn, but I kind of like that Hasbro is using two Brawl repaints as I feel like it adds a bit more uniformity to the team. Likewise, while I could agree that a Cyclonus retool as Liozack would also have been better, but Skylynxas as Deathsaurs isn't half bad, especially in combined mode.

That's what I care most about anyway. I never watched the Japanese anime for Transformers and so don't really have any special attachment to any of these as individual characters. Mostly what I want is another Decepticon combiner team to help balance out my faction display. That said, the final deciding factor for me is going to be just how much of a price markup this set will have if it's part of the platinum series.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807768)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 4:11pm CDT
CommanderShadowmus wrote:
Deadput wrote:
CommanderShadowmus wrote:Things that went wrong:
-Killbison renamed into Ironbison
-Hellbat renamed into Fellbat
-Killbison being toy-accurate gold instead of screen-accurate orange
-Killbison being a single-barreled tank and not a double-barreled tank
-Gaihawk being misspelled as Guyhawk
-Grey horns and batwings on the heads of Killbison and Hellbat
-Deszaras (just the whole figure)
-Black head on Liokaiser

Liokaiser is my favorite Combiner of them all and this actually kinda brings him to shame...



1 and 2: Name changes is justified this is north America and these toys are for children they kinda can't have kill or hell in their toys names.

3: Oh no a character is only a slightly different color shade and looks like one version of him instead of another oh the horror!

4: Does it really matter how many cannons this guy has?

5: Two different spellings of the same name boo hoo.

6: and 8: Oh god color changes everything is terrible Hasblow has failed us again I couldn't just paint over the grey!

7: I agree bad mold choice but I think the paint is great on him.


Sure, we can paint the ears and horns the right color but because this is a box set we shouldn't have to! And hey, I'm very sure only adollecent and adult collectors would pick this up!

Also, ''Pinkie's'', name is spelled Gaihawk in the subtitles of the Victory cartoon!

And hey, NONE of Killbison's toys (HasTak and 3rd party) were show accurate orange! Always being gold like the old toy! And Hasbro should have remolded Killbison's turret too!

Again, Liokaiser is my favorite Combiner, and I don't mind Hasbro turning him into a 5-member Scramble City style Combiner, but I do mind Hasbro doing such an awful job of it!

Display figures an renders usually deviate from final samples, just keep that in mind.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807769)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 21st, 2016 @ 4:12pm CDT
Tharag wrote:Gotta say, Hasbro went to a lot more effort then I was expecting on this, what with everyone getting brand new head sculpts. Yeah, maybe the Rook retool from Takara's Computron would be more accurate for Drillhorn, but I kind of like that Hasbro is using two Brawl repaints as I feel like it adds a bit more uniformity to the team. Likewise, while I could agree that a Cyclonus retool as Liozack would also have been better, but Skylynxas as Deathsaurs isn't half bad, especially in combined mode.

That's what I care most about anyway. I never watched the Japanese anime for Transformers and so don't really have any special attachment to any of these as individual characters. Mostly what I want is another Decepticon combiner team to help balance out my faction display. That said, the final deciding factor for me is going to be just how much of a price markup this set will have if it's part of the platinum series.

Yeah, the new heads really seal the deal for me
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807782)
Posted by Flashwave on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:01pm CDT
Kurona wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

Because every other Combiner is much more relevant and popular?
Just because he's from Japan doesn't mean the Japanese fans don't like their Devastators and Superions more. Even in Japan the likes of Victory are still obscure compared to the original three seasons. A lot of people don't seem to understand this fsr
Just because they haven't done him before doesn't mean they won't do him. I don't see why him being a Japanese character means anything at all other than it makes Takara more likely to do him.

Fair enough point. I didn't know Victory was considered obscure over there. I think the misconception is that we think of it having more exposure because it was there longer. It was their original creation.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807783)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:08pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

Because every other Combiner is much more relevant and popular?
Just because he's from Japan doesn't mean the Japanese fans don't like their Devastators and Superions more. Even in Japan the likes of Victory are still obscure compared to the original three seasons. A lot of people don't seem to understand this fsr
Just because they haven't done him before doesn't mean they won't do him. I don't see why him being a Japanese character means anything at all other than it makes Takara more likely to do him.

Fair enough point. I didn't know Victory was considered obscure over there. I think the misconception is that we think of it having more exposure because it was there longer. It was their original creation.

Yeah. It's a bit like assuming that just because the Marvel comics were around longer in the US and UK, then clearly every US and UK fan loves them and wants Marvel characters more than early G1 characters.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807784)
Posted by Powermaster Swag on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:10pm CDT
I made something just for this occasion. Don't hate me, but I just don't like it. I'm pure G1.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807785)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:10pm CDT
So all new head sculpts? Nice work, still going to head cannon these to a new team. Deathsarus needs a robot for for me.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807786)
Posted by SureShot18 on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:11pm CDT
I think I got to pass on this one. While the individual limbs look better than expected, this is the only CW combiner I'd consider calling "lazy".
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807790)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:20pm CDT
The weird thing about this is that the original Liokaiser had all the combiner kibble integrated but the head; while this Liokaiser has no combiner kibble integrated but the head.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807792)
Posted by Powermaster Swag on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:25pm CDT
Kurona wrote:The weird thing about this is that the original Liokaiser had all the combiner kibble integrated but the head; while this Liokaiser has no combiner kibble integrated but the head.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807795)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:28pm CDT
Fellbat? Ironbison?

I don't normally complain about name changes, but for christ's SAKE Hasbro... >:oP
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807796)
Posted by Starsaber468 on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:28pm CDT
Kurona wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

Because every other Combiner is much more relevant and popular?
Just because he's from Japan doesn't mean the Japanese fans don't like their Devastators and Superions more. Even in Japan the likes of Victory are still obscure compared to the original three seasons. A lot of people don't seem to understand this fsr
Just because they haven't done him before doesn't mean they won't do him. I don't see why him being a Japanese character means anything at all other than it makes Takara more likely to do him.

Fair enough point. I didn't know Victory was considered obscure over there. I think the misconception is that we think of it having more exposure because it was there longer. It was their original creation.

Yeah. It's a bit like assuming that just because the Marvel comics were around longer in the US and UK, then clearly every US and UK fan loves them and wants Marvel characters more than early G1 characters.

But then again a lot of victory characters are extremely popular otherwise the beauty of an figure mp star saber wouldn't exist also its still an combiner wars figure, and takara created the character originally they wouldn't miss out doing an character that would obviously sell pretty well
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807798)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:32pm CDT
Starsaber468 wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:Since Kaiser is a Platinum, I'll probably wait to see what Takara does with him, since the price won't be that different anyway.

Actually him being a Platinnum is a good indication that Takara wont do him. So far any platinum release from Takara is just a rerelease of the US version. So odds are if Takara releases Liokaiser, it will just be this same toy.

Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.

Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

Because every other Combiner is much more relevant and popular?
Just because he's from Japan doesn't mean the Japanese fans don't like their Devastators and Superions more. Even in Japan the likes of Victory are still obscure compared to the original three seasons. A lot of people don't seem to understand this fsr
Just because they haven't done him before doesn't mean they won't do him. I don't see why him being a Japanese character means anything at all other than it makes Takara more likely to do him.

Fair enough point. I didn't know Victory was considered obscure over there. I think the misconception is that we think of it having more exposure because it was there longer. It was their original creation.

Yeah. It's a bit like assuming that just because the Marvel comics were around longer in the US and UK, then clearly every US and UK fan loves them and wants Marvel characters more than early G1 characters.

But then again a lot of victory characters are extremely popular otherwise the beauty of an figure mp star saber wouldn't exist also its still an combiner wars figure, and takara created the character originally they wouldn't miss out doing an character that would obviously sell pretty well

Hence why I think they will do Liokaiser.
And yeah I know Victory characters are popular... but then, so are characters like Thunderwing and Bludgeon. They're still more obscure and nowhere near as known as characters like Optimus and Starscream no matter which country you're from. Star Saber MP likely happened because the people voting wanted another Autobot Leader and were a tad fatigued by all the Season 1/2 MPs.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807802)
Posted by Deadput on July 21st, 2016 @ 5:46pm CDT
Delta Magnus wrote:Fellbat? Ironbison?

I don't normally complain about name changes, but for christ's SAKE Hasbro... >:oP



What else are they supposed to do?


Toy laws make it so they can't use Hell or Kill?


What would you name them.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807809)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on July 21st, 2016 @ 6:05pm CDT
Goodbye money, hello Liokaiser. He is a must have for me.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807811)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on July 21st, 2016 @ 6:10pm CDT
Seeing as though Skylynx will never be combined in my collection, this gives me the opportunity to display the torso mode of the mold.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807816)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 21st, 2016 @ 6:23pm CDT
Deadput wrote:
Delta Magnus wrote:Fellbat? Ironbison?

I don't normally complain about name changes, but for christ's SAKE Hasbro... >:oP



What else are they supposed to do?


Toy laws make it so they can't use Hell or Kill?


What would you name them.

Actually I'm pretty sure there's no laws against calling them "Killbison" or "Hellbat". Y'know, what with the 1st amendment and all. And seeing as they felt OK with calling a toy Skullsmasher it seems a bit pathetic (and hypocritical) to pussy out of giving them their proper names.

Not that I really care, this doesn't look like Liokaiser anyway.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807820)
Posted by william-james88 on July 21st, 2016 @ 6:32pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

I am not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean they would or would not release him?

And about regional popularity, that doesnt seem to apply anymore. For instance, Prime Breakdown is an american character, from a show more prevalent in the us, to the point that Japan totally made their own show with different characters instead of continuing the Prime series. And yet they not only have an exclusive Prime Breakdown toy but they brought him back for Grand Galvatron. And speaking of Grand Galvatron, that also has the Roller component who is an IDW character and those comics with him have never been translated to Japanese. So a character being attributed to a specific region does not cement his release there.

Kurona wrote:Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.


Firstly, I ddnt say they wouldnt release it, I said that if they do it would be a straight rerelease like they did with Platinum Trypticon.

Also, you were speaking of a set of 5 toys with retooled heads. Did you forget about this one from last year?

Image

That never got released in Japan.

Not being negative, just looking at the past to see what lies ahead. Remember, the seeds of the future lie buried in the past.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807823)
Posted by Kurona on July 21st, 2016 @ 6:39pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Flashwave wrote:Counter Argument: LioKaiser is a Japanese character. He is most prevalent to the Japanese fanbase. While that certainly lends itself to Takara wanting to hit him out of the park, why haven't they done him yet? its the International company doing the homage for a market clamoring for it, who didnt know he existed until the internet told them about it 10-15 years ago

I am not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean they would or would not release him?

And about regional popularity, that doesnt seem to apply anymore. For instance, Prime Breakdown is an american character, from a show more prevalent in the us, to the point that Japan totally made their own show with different characters instead of continuing the Prime series. And yet they not only have an exclusive Prime Breakdown toy but they brought him back for Grand Galvatron. And speaking of Grand Galvatron, that also has the Roller component who is an IDW character and those comics with him have never been translated to Japanese. So a character being attributed to a specific region does not cement his release there.

Kurona wrote:Thing is, what have the Platinum releases aside from those been? Pretty much just straight redecoes of older toys - some less old than others; Autobot Heroes literally has a toy from last year; releases of Takara-exclusive molding like Battle Grimlock which... well, should be obvious why Takara didn't release them, and... I think aside from all that, the only unique tooling a Platinum set has ever had was the Sweep's head in the Cyclonus' Armada set which I can easily see why they didn't care.
This? This is a set that has never seen any retail release and has completely unique tooling on four of it's figures. If any Platinum set has a likelihood to be released or improved by Takara, it's most certainly this.


Firstly, I ddnt say they wouldnt release it, I said that if they do it would be a straight rerelease like they did with Platinum Trypticon.

Also, you were speaking of a set of 5 toys with retooled heads. Did you forget about this one from last year?

Image

That never got released in Japan.

Not being negative, just looking at the past to see what lies ahead. Remember, the seeds of the future lie buried in the past.

I did indeed forget about that one.
Completely.
Whoops.
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807844)
Posted by RainyDayMan2k on July 21st, 2016 @ 7:59pm CDT
"Dezarus" just looks... wrong to me.

Screw it, I'm calling this one Deathsanras! Because if one mistake ever deserved another, it's this one! :HEADHURTS:
Re: Official Images for Transformers Generations Liokaiser #HASBROSDCC (1807893)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on July 21st, 2016 @ 10:07pm CDT
The fact that they made so many new heads shows some degree of effort, and I appreciate that. And overall, a decent job for what they put out. Good enough for me to buy it eventually

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