Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione
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The Titan Masters for Wave 3 of Titans Return are being found at retail slowly but surely. Personally, I believe this wave has the very best Titan Master so far: Sawback. This is a figure inspired from the G1 headmaster figure Lione and here you can see how the two compare. Of all Titan Masters so far, Sawback/Lione is the perfect G1 toy to be represented since he was only just a head in G1 so being just a head now works.
Also, of all Titan Masters so far, Sawback has the very best integration with the Titan Master vehicle by filling out the mane of the lion. Here is a comparison between the lion mode on the G1 figure and its homage:
More comparisons with g1 we have Sawback on Hardhead and Skullcruncher and the G1 counterparts of the same combinations.
And here is Sawback with the other new molds from his wave:
Notice how well that Titan Master works to make up the mane.
Since Lione never had a robot mode (he was just a head), Sawback's robot mode is completely new and actually refers to the alt mode of his G1 counterpart by having a beast face:
The lion turns into a single pilot aircraft of some sort. What I find great is how there is painted detailing in the wings to give this form detailing not found in the other modes, with silver painted guns on the wings. While the instructions say to keep the legs up, I prefer them down.
Here is an alternate transformation for each new mold from this wave:
And here is Sawback in his shield mode, along with the other new Titan Masters in their respective weapons modes.
Let us know what you think of Sawback and the others.
Also, of all Titan Masters so far, Sawback has the very best integration with the Titan Master vehicle by filling out the mane of the lion. Here is a comparison between the lion mode on the G1 figure and its homage:
More comparisons with g1 we have Sawback on Hardhead and Skullcruncher and the G1 counterparts of the same combinations.
And here is Sawback with the other new molds from his wave:
Notice how well that Titan Master works to make up the mane.
Since Lione never had a robot mode (he was just a head), Sawback's robot mode is completely new and actually refers to the alt mode of his G1 counterpart by having a beast face:
The lion turns into a single pilot aircraft of some sort. What I find great is how there is painted detailing in the wings to give this form detailing not found in the other modes, with silver painted guns on the wings. While the instructions say to keep the legs up, I prefer them down.
Here is an alternate transformation for each new mold from this wave:
And here is Sawback in his shield mode, along with the other new Titan Masters in their respective weapons modes.
Let us know what you think of Sawback and the others.
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Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849336)
Posted by RAR on December 28th, 2016 @ 11:12pm CST
Posted by RAR on December 28th, 2016 @ 11:12pm CST
I opened Megatron now - I like the robot mode (mostly) but he's not much fun to transform he's kind of a mess of exploding hinges really.
He has a lot of issues with poor fit like plugging the legs together makes one of the leg hatches open slightly. he was also very very loose all over the place.
Nice head - no idea who the Titanmaster is supposed to resemble though.
he is quite a bit bigger than Optimus too.
I discovered earlier that the nub on the turret is actually removable and you can pull it straight forwards and plug it on his grey gun to make it longer or simply so he has no sticky up bit behind his head.
You can also use it as a shoulder cannon adaptor too. or to provide a 2nd handle for holding his combined guns as a rifle.
Once I spend 2 or 3 days worth or repeated floor polish dripping in his joints I expect i'll like him a lot more.
Oh and yes the stickers are pretty poor - don't do that again Hasbro.
He has a lot of issues with poor fit like plugging the legs together makes one of the leg hatches open slightly. he was also very very loose all over the place.
Nice head - no idea who the Titanmaster is supposed to resemble though.
he is quite a bit bigger than Optimus too.
I discovered earlier that the nub on the turret is actually removable and you can pull it straight forwards and plug it on his grey gun to make it longer or simply so he has no sticky up bit behind his head.
You can also use it as a shoulder cannon adaptor too. or to provide a 2nd handle for holding his combined guns as a rifle.
Once I spend 2 or 3 days worth or repeated floor polish dripping in his joints I expect i'll like him a lot more.
Oh and yes the stickers are pretty poor - don't do that again Hasbro.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849340)
Posted by william-james88 on December 28th, 2016 @ 11:36pm CST
The titan master is a,mini blitzwing
Posted by william-james88 on December 28th, 2016 @ 11:36pm CST
RAR wrote:I opened Megatron now - I like the robot mode (mostly) but he's not much fun to transform he's kind of a mess of exploding hinges really.
He has a lot of issues with poor fit like plugging the legs together makes one of the leg hatches open slightly. he was also very very loose all over the place.
Nice head - no idea who the Titanmaster is supposed to resemble though.
The titan master is a,mini blitzwing
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849342)
Posted by King Kuuga on December 28th, 2016 @ 11:52pm CST
Wave 3 you mean.
Posted by King Kuuga on December 28th, 2016 @ 11:52pm CST
william-james88 wrote:The Titan Masters for Wave 2 of Titans Return are being found at retail slowly but surely.
Wave 3 you mean.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849361)
Posted by Va'al on December 29th, 2016 @ 4:09am CST
Posted by Va'al on December 29th, 2016 @ 4:09am CST
Thanks again to fellow Seibertronian Bounti76, we have confirmation of the Titans Return Wave 3 Titan Masters now being available - after Australian retail - online at Hasbro Toy Shop. You can check out Fangry, Ptero, Sawback at the checkout, and check out the confirmation order below!
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849362)
Posted by Bounti76 on December 29th, 2016 @ 4:57am CST
Posted by Bounti76 on December 29th, 2016 @ 4:57am CST
For some reason, Overboard wasn't listed, just Fangry and the two Autobots. He'll show up eventually, I'd imagine.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849363)
Posted by Generator_G1 on December 29th, 2016 @ 5:02am CST
Posted by Generator_G1 on December 29th, 2016 @ 5:02am CST
For Throttlebot fans... 
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849365)
Posted by Burn on December 29th, 2016 @ 5:25am CST
Posted by Burn on December 29th, 2016 @ 5:25am CST
Any actual details on it you'd care to share? Like where you found it, is it legit?
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849366)
Posted by Generator_G1 on December 29th, 2016 @ 5:54am CST
Posted by Generator_G1 on December 29th, 2016 @ 5:54am CST
FB private group. I can't say the name of the source though, sorry. I did have his permission to post the pic.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849368)
Posted by Va'al on December 29th, 2016 @ 6:16am CST
Can you at least say where it was found? It would help for a news story!
Posted by Va'al on December 29th, 2016 @ 6:16am CST
Generator_G1 wrote:FB private group. I can't say the name of the source though, sorry. I did have his permission to post the pic.
Can you at least say where it was found? It would help for a news story!
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849371)
Posted by fenrir72 on December 29th, 2016 @ 6:58am CST
Goldbug part deux?
Posted by fenrir72 on December 29th, 2016 @ 6:58am CST
Generator_G1 wrote:For Throttlebot fans...
Goldbug part deux?
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849372)
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:09am CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:09am CST
We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849373)
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:23am CST
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:23am CST
Awesome! He seems to be using his in-fiction head too; he had a mouth in Rebirth, Marvel, IDW etc. but didn't have one in his toy or packaging artwork.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849375)
Posted by RiddlerJ on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:33am CST
Posted by RiddlerJ on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:33am CST
Hubcap gets the shaft again.
This still looks nice though.
This still looks nice though.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849379)
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:55am CST
Pfft! He'll come eventually.
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 7:55am CST
RiddlerJ wrote:Hubcap gets the shaft again.
This still looks nice though.
Pfft! He'll come eventually.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849385)
Posted by Cobotron on December 29th, 2016 @ 8:36am CST
Posted by Cobotron on December 29th, 2016 @ 8:36am CST
Weird! I was just staring at a pic of Bumblebee last night thinking, I wonder if they could retool his alt mode just a little to be Cliffjumper. Then I thought, who else could a red repaint be?
There's my answer!
I'm glad it's not Cliff for a change.
There's my answer!
I'm glad it's not Cliff for a change.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849390)
Posted by It Is Him on December 29th, 2016 @ 8:57am CST
Posted by It Is Him on December 29th, 2016 @ 8:57am CST
Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849391)
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:00am CST
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:00am CST
Usually I will buy everything in CHUG but if they made a cliffjumper I'd pass on it. I've god the GDO prime cliffjumper with a G1 head and I'm good. It's great to finally have a G1 cliffjumper with no mold relation to Bumblebee.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849395)
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:27am CST
How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:27am CST
It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro
How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849398)
Posted by Cobotron on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:34am CST
Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!
Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?
Posted by Cobotron on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:34am CST
william-james88 wrote:It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro
How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?
Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!
Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849399)
Posted by Overcracker on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:41am CST
We, have, and it does:
Posted by Overcracker on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:41am CST
Cowboytron wrote:william-james88 wrote:It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro
How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?
Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!
Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?
We, have, and it does:
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849400)
Posted by Cobotron on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:44am CST
Posted by Cobotron on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:44am CST
Sweet! Thanks! 
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849401)
Posted by JazZeke on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:49am CST
Posted by JazZeke on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:49am CST
HE'S SO CUTE
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849402)
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:57am CST
Yeah what is up with people thinking Bumblebee can't hold a Titan master? Even gnaw can hold one. It looks like he disturbanly eats one but he can hold one. Even kickback can.
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 9:57am CST
Overcracker wrote:Cowboytron wrote:william-james88 wrote:It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro
How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?
Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!
Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?
We, have, and it does:
Yeah what is up with people thinking Bumblebee can't hold a Titan master? Even gnaw can hold one. It looks like he disturbanly eats one but he can hold one. Even kickback can.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849406)
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:19am CST
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:19am CST
If they're doing redecoes/new-head redecoes again so soon, I really hope they bring out Eject and Frenzy some time soon because I am actually adoring these cassettes; Rewind and Buzzsaw so far have just been incredible. I kinda like carting their cassette modes around in my pocket and their weird third modes are so cute and goofy.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849409)
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:24am CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:24am CST
nice to have another reveal, even if it is a repaint. I guess its nice that they add to the randomness of the line throwing in a little of everything that can in from 84-88 that wasn't released in CW (sans Optimus and Megatron which get multiple re-releases). I was hoping to see some more cassette tablet bots for legends class, to go with Soundwave & Blaster, but I guess time will tell. If there are 6 waves in TR, and 3 Legends in each wave, then there are still 7 spots coming. But that's 7 spots for any minibot, casettebot, throttlebot, most deluxe insecticons etc... I would have included the Battlehargers, but they were released in Japan, both as repaints of Blackjack from CW, I don't think Hasbro would copy that, but then again, you never know.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849411)
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:27am CST
Seems to be that Hasbro wants to exclusively have toys that can interact with Titan Masters in this line, so we can probably count out redecoes of Legends class figures from previous lines. Which is a shame, 'cos I'd totally love some redecoes out of what we got in CW.
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:27am CST
o.supreme wrote:nice to have another reveal, even if it is a repaint. I guess its nice that they add to the randomness of the line throwing in a little of everything that can in from 84-88 that wasn't released in CW (sans Optimus and Megatron which get multiple re-releases). I was hoping to see some more cassette tablet bots for legends class, to go with Soundwave & Blaster, but I guess time will tell. If there are 6 waves in TR, and 3 Legends in each wave, then there are still 7 spots coming. But that's 7 spots for any minibot, casettebot, throttlebot, most deluxe insecticons etc... I would have included the Battlehargers, but they were released in Japan, both as remolds of Blackjack from CW, I don't think Hasbro would copy that, but then again, you never know.
Seems to be that Hasbro wants to exclusively have toys that can interact with Titan Masters in this line, so we can probably count out redecoes of Legends class figures from previous lines. Which is a shame, 'cos I'd totally love some redecoes out of what we got in CW.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849412)
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:30am CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:30am CST
Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw 
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849413)
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:30am CST
Every CW Legends figure except bombshell was redecoed to something else or from a previous line
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:30am CST
Kurona wrote:o.supreme wrote:nice to have another reveal, even if it is a repaint. I guess its nice that they add to the randomness of the line throwing in a little of everything that can in from 84-88 that wasn't released in CW (sans Optimus and Megatron which get multiple re-releases). I was hoping to see some more cassette tablet bots for legends class, to go with Soundwave & Blaster, but I guess time will tell. If there are 6 waves in TR, and 3 Legends in each wave, then there are still 7 spots coming. But that's 7 spots for any minibot, casettebot, throttlebot, most deluxe insecticons etc... I would have included the Battlehargers, but they were released in Japan, both as remolds of Blackjack from CW, I don't think Hasbro would copy that, but then again, you never know.
Seems to be that Hasbro wants to exclusively have toys that can interact with Titan Masters in this line, so we can probably count out redecoes of Legends class figures from previous lines. Which is a shame, 'cos I'd totally love some redecoes out of what we got in CW.
Every CW Legends figure except bombshell was redecoed to something else or from a previous line
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849414)
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:32am CST
Lol, true
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:32am CST
o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw
Lol, true
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849416)
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:43am CST
also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?
It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:43am CST
Kurona wrote:o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw
Lol, true
also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?
It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849418)
Posted by leokearon on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:59am CST
Video Reviews have shown the wave 3 Legends do work with Titan Masters, Bumblebee has the same idea as Wheelie, Gnaw can "eat" them (they are stored in his mouth, and Kickback has posts on his back for a Titan Master near were his cockpit used to be.
Posted by leokearon on December 29th, 2016 @ 10:59am CST
o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw
Lol, true
also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?
It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.
Video Reviews have shown the wave 3 Legends do work with Titan Masters, Bumblebee has the same idea as Wheelie, Gnaw can "eat" them (they are stored in his mouth, and Kickback has posts on his back for a Titan Master near were his cockpit used to be.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849419)
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:03am CST
To me it felt a bit more like they didn't have room for him in TR and there was space in CW, so they might as well. After all, the way things were laid out; the only Autobot Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 1 - the same wave Blaster came out - and the only Decepticon Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 2 - the same wave Soundwave came out. And Legends Wave 2 was already filled, so might as well chuck one of the birds into CW. Buzzsaw was probably chosen because he's less popular than Laserbeak and the later waves of a line aren't expected to sell as much as the start or middle. That's just me though; either way I think everyone agrees he's basically just the first TR figure but he happened to be in another line.
Posted by Kurona on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:03am CST
o.supreme wrote:It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.
To me it felt a bit more like they didn't have room for him in TR and there was space in CW, so they might as well. After all, the way things were laid out; the only Autobot Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 1 - the same wave Blaster came out - and the only Decepticon Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 2 - the same wave Soundwave came out. And Legends Wave 2 was already filled, so might as well chuck one of the birds into CW. Buzzsaw was probably chosen because he's less popular than Laserbeak and the later waves of a line aren't expected to sell as much as the start or middle. That's just me though; either way I think everyone agrees he's basically just the first TR figure but he happened to be in another line.
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Posted by leokearon on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:04am CST
A red Bumblebee repaint that isn't Cliffjumber?! Well that's a surprise. Still they could easily redeco him for Freeway and maybe Searchlight. Brawn could be redecoed into Rollbar and Goldbug from Bumblebee, all we would need then is a new Dump Truck for Wideload.
I wish he came with the mask, it was one of his big appeals originally, you basically got an Optimus prime who transformed into a Ferrari
Posted by leokearon on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:04am CST
william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.
A red Bumblebee repaint that isn't Cliffjumber?! Well that's a surprise. Still they could easily redeco him for Freeway and maybe Searchlight. Brawn could be redecoed into Rollbar and Goldbug from Bumblebee, all we would need then is a new Dump Truck for Wideload.
I wish he came with the mask, it was one of his big appeals originally, you basically got an Optimus prime who transformed into a Ferrari
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849423)
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:18am CST
That's exactly what they did. They pushed his production ahead to fill the final wave of CW. Is this really a mystery? It's happened before.
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:18am CST
Kurona wrote:o.supreme wrote:It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.
To me it felt a bit more like they didn't have room for him in TR and there was space in CW, so they might as well. After all, the way things were laid out; the only Autobot Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 1 - the same wave Blaster came out - and the only Decepticon Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 2 - the same wave Soundwave came out. And Legends Wave 2 was already filled, so might as well chuck one of the birds into CW. Buzzsaw was probably chosen because he's less popular than Laserbeak and the later waves of a line aren't expected to sell as much as the start or middle. That's just me though; either way I think everyone agrees he's basically just the first TR figure but he happened to be in another line.
That's exactly what they did. They pushed his production ahead to fill the final wave of CW. Is this really a mystery? It's happened before.
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Posted by Overcracker on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:29am CST
Of course. BB can take a titan master in his driver section. Kickback actually has a cockpit space behind the yellow translucent chest piece, and Gnaw just has pegs in his mouth so he can eat the titan master rather than be piloted by one.
Posted by Overcracker on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:29am CST
o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw
Lol, true
also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?
Of course. BB can take a titan master in his driver section. Kickback actually has a cockpit space behind the yellow translucent chest piece, and Gnaw just has pegs in his mouth so he can eat the titan master rather than be piloted by one.
Re: Pictorial Review of Titans Return Sawback with Comparison to G1 Lione (1849429)
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:51am CST
Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:51am CST
william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.
Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.
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Posted by Sigma Magnus on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:54am CST
It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.
Posted by Sigma Magnus on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:54am CST
Seibertron wrote:william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.
Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.
It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.
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Posted by Tigertrack on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:56am CST
Maybe to avoid confusion? Or maybe there will be a TR Chase based on the recuse bots designs (but we know about most of the waves, so probably not).
Posted by Tigertrack on December 29th, 2016 @ 11:56am CST
Seibertron wrote:william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.
Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.
Maybe to avoid confusion? Or maybe there will be a TR Chase based on the recuse bots designs (but we know about most of the waves, so probably not).
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Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:33pm CST
Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:33pm CST
Sigma Magnus wrote:It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.
Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.
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Posted by Sigma Magnus on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:36pm CST
Agreed. But hey, once you buy it, you can call it whatever you want, right?
Posted by Sigma Magnus on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:36pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.
Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.
Agreed. But hey, once you buy it, you can call it whatever you want, right?
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:40pm CST
Bumblebee and Optimus are both iconic enough to have all of the mainstream media versions similar to one another across the board.
G1 Chase and Rescue Bots Chase, however, are as different (maybe even moreso) in character and appearance as G1 Grimlock and RID Grimlock. It is evident that Hasbro wants to keep the names "Chase" and "Grimlock" attached to the currently-more-familiar-to-the-kids-of-today cartoon characters while their G1 namesakes get new aliases that avoid confusion between the different iterations of the same-named characters from inside and outside the cartoon franchises.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:40pm CST
Twinferno is likely a case of Trademark loss, being merely a substitute name. I'd bet that if Hasbro could have used the name "Doublecross" they would have.Seibertron wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.
Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.
Bumblebee and Optimus are both iconic enough to have all of the mainstream media versions similar to one another across the board.
G1 Chase and Rescue Bots Chase, however, are as different (maybe even moreso) in character and appearance as G1 Grimlock and RID Grimlock. It is evident that Hasbro wants to keep the names "Chase" and "Grimlock" attached to the currently-more-familiar-to-the-kids-of-today cartoon characters while their G1 namesakes get new aliases that avoid confusion between the different iterations of the same-named characters from inside and outside the cartoon franchises.
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:56pm CST
I believe it's a bit more problematic than that, guys, but Rescue Bots does provide an excellent case in point.
Let's start by examining the Rescue Bot trademarks compared to other lines. A good one would be "Blades" as it's already vulnerable in a sense because it has the "Autobot" prefix since 2008:
Universe 2008 Autobot Blades
Fast forward to now, and we have two new variations:
Generations Protectobot Blades
Rescue Bots Blades The Copter-Bot
The bolded text is the actual trademark used. In short, "Blades" on its own, no prefixes, is a no-go. Rescue Bots cleverly circumvents that by trademarking the character's full title, like the later 2007 Movie Fast Action Battlers did. Note the occasional omission of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" of those toys a regular release would normally have. It seems the longer the actual trademark, the more unique, the better protected.
The same principle can be applied to "Chase". It seems on its own (or even with "Autobot") it's a dud, but as "Chase The Police-Bot" it's perfectly fine. Remember, Rescue Bots trademarks full titles, a slightly different principle compared to Generations and RiD 2015. Put bluntly, that line is no real indicator of what names are actually available.
With that...
I so called Bumblebee being used for a Throttlebot!
:EDIT: And you know what? I've taken a closer look at the head sculpt, and it's not Chase: it's a combination of Freeway's and Searchlight's, the other two Throttlebots that were rumored.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 29th, 2016 @ 12:56pm CST
Tigertrack wrote:Seibertron wrote:Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.
Maybe to avoid confusion? Or maybe there will be a TR Chase based on the recuse bots designs (but we know about most of the waves, so probably not).
I believe it's a bit more problematic than that, guys, but Rescue Bots does provide an excellent case in point.
Let's start by examining the Rescue Bot trademarks compared to other lines. A good one would be "Blades" as it's already vulnerable in a sense because it has the "Autobot" prefix since 2008:
Universe 2008 Autobot Blades
Fast forward to now, and we have two new variations:
Generations Protectobot Blades
Rescue Bots Blades The Copter-Bot
The bolded text is the actual trademark used. In short, "Blades" on its own, no prefixes, is a no-go. Rescue Bots cleverly circumvents that by trademarking the character's full title, like the later 2007 Movie Fast Action Battlers did. Note the occasional omission of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" of those toys a regular release would normally have. It seems the longer the actual trademark, the more unique, the better protected.
The same principle can be applied to "Chase". It seems on its own (or even with "Autobot") it's a dud, but as "Chase The Police-Bot" it's perfectly fine. Remember, Rescue Bots trademarks full titles, a slightly different principle compared to Generations and RiD 2015. Put bluntly, that line is no real indicator of what names are actually available.
With that...
I so called Bumblebee being used for a Throttlebot! :EDIT: And you know what? I've taken a closer look at the head sculpt, and it's not Chase: it's a combination of Freeway's and Searchlight's, the other two Throttlebots that were rumored.
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Posted by SureShot18 on December 29th, 2016 @ 1:51pm CST
Posted by SureShot18 on December 29th, 2016 @ 1:51pm CST
I personally think that Roadburn is a better name then Chase but that's just me. And you can call it anything you want anyway. I think I'll probably get him when he comes out since I'm skipping Bee and those colors look pretty good.
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Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on December 29th, 2016 @ 1:55pm CST
Yeah surprisingly, those colors with that awful mold looks decent.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on December 29th, 2016 @ 1:55pm CST
SureShot18 wrote:I personally think that Roadburn is a better name then Chase but that's just me. And you can call it anything you want anyway. I think I'll probably get him when he comes out since I'm skipping Bee and those colors look pretty good.
Yeah surprisingly, those colors with that awful mold looks decent.
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Posted by Terrsolpix on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:06pm CST
Posted by Terrsolpix on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:06pm CST
Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.
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Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:08pm CST
I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:08pm CST
Terrsolpix wrote:Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.
I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.
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Posted by Terrsolpix on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:12pm CST
I just pretend Bee has awkwardly shaped armor that he's just too chill to fix. A bit of a lazy excuse but the legs seem less out of place as all black on a primarily yellow body. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by Terrsolpix on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:12pm CST
SillySpringer wrote:Terrsolpix wrote:Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.
I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.
I just pretend Bee has awkwardly shaped armor that he's just too chill to fix. A bit of a lazy excuse but the legs seem less out of place as all black on a primarily yellow body. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:14pm CST
If the forearms were at least longer, I'd like it more even with the weird upper arms.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on December 29th, 2016 @ 2:14pm CST
Terrsolpix wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Terrsolpix wrote:Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.
I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.
I just pretend Bee has awkwardly shaped armor that he's just too chill to fix. A bit of a lazy excuse but the legs seem less out of place as all black on a primarily yellow body. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If the forearms were at least longer, I'd like it more even with the weird upper arms.
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Posted by bodrock on December 29th, 2016 @ 3:43pm CST
Posted by bodrock on December 29th, 2016 @ 3:43pm CST
Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!
SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.
If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!
SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.
If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!
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Posted by Terrsolpix on December 29th, 2016 @ 3:45pm CST
Never heard of Walmart doing that before. It's only ever happened to me at a TRU when trying to get some Lego that was supposed to release the next day. Best part was that the next time I tried doing that they let me
Posted by Terrsolpix on December 29th, 2016 @ 3:45pm CST
bodrock wrote:Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!
SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.
If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!
Never heard of Walmart doing that before. It's only ever happened to me at a TRU when trying to get some Lego that was supposed to release the next day. Best part was that the next time I tried doing that they let me
