Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More

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Toy distributor Southern Hobby had some interesting listings up today. They have since been removed but we left connections to the original web paths below. From the listings, it seems like the second part of the trilogy will be very similar to the first, with more micromasters and an emphasis on the first two seasons of the G1 cartoon. They are moving away from Cybertron though, as one of the listings shows a new earth mode for Starscream. Maybe this is the mold they will use for the cone heads. And of course, we are getting another big Optimus, which is in line with Hasbro wanting a big ticket Optimus figure in every Generations line since Titans Return. Cliffjumper being a deluxe also fits the bill in his new paradigm since we have seen how big a range in height that class can get

Below is the full list of products found. Please remember, you should always take this with a grain of salt.

E7149 Micromaster Hotrod Patrol
E7150 Micormaster Military Patrol
E7155 Deluxe Cliffjumper
E7156 Deluxe Wheeljack
E7154 Deluxe Hoist
E7157 Deluxe Ironworks
E7162 Voyager Starscream Earth
E7164 Voyager Grapple
E7166 Leader Optimus Prime (With Trailer)

Credit(s): southern hobby

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Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039554)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on September 25th, 2019 @ 11:25pm CDT

Grapple? Hoist? CliffJumper? IRONWORKS? it's like they went down my list and checked a bunch of boxes at random and I love it.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039556)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 25th, 2019 @ 11:34pm CDT

Wireless_Phantom wrote:Grapple? Hoist? CliffJumper? IRONWORKS? it's like they went down my list and checked a bunch of boxes at random and I love it.

Ironworks is possibly a replacement name for a different character, as the Micromaster is already homaged with "Irontread" in the Micromaster 10-pack.

Regarding the Patrols, I wonder who we'll get. *looks over the names* O wait... we already have one semi-confirmed, thanks to the Micromaster 10-pack: Bombshock of the Military Patrol, as a retool of Flak. Look at Cratermaker

That may mean the other is either Growl or Tracer.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039558)
Posted by jacob_savloff on September 25th, 2019 @ 11:39pm CDT

Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, and Hoist sound legit and I want them. Ironworks is interesting since we have the micrmaster from G1 in the 10-pack, so it could be a different name for someone, I hope Ironfist. I hope Grapple is his own mold. I hope Starscream isn't real since we have this new seeker mold and I want WFC Trilogy to stay with Cybertronian modes. Optimus also sounds strange since we have the galaxy upgrade version. Some of these seem real, others not.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039559)
Posted by Ultra Markus on September 25th, 2019 @ 11:50pm CDT

I would certainly hope that we finally get a proper siege optimus prime with his real trailer that turns into a command center with roller and that starscream earth I wonder if it's a new seeker mold

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039560)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 25th, 2019 @ 11:51pm CDT

Cliffjumper and a new Wheeljack are very much welcomed. Been wanting a good Cliffjumper for a while now and we haven't had a good Wheeljack in a while. CW had one, UW improved on it, but it still didn't feel right imo. Though, I am hoping that we get box truck Wheeljack, or something to that effect. Though, honestly, I'd be happy with getting 2 Wheeljacks, one for Earth and one for Cybertron :lol:

Everyone else though... I don't really need a new Starscream or Prime, so they'd have to blow me away to get me to bite or have a killer repaint. Grapple's one of those characters where I could go either way with: I don't need one, but if he looks good, I might grab it. Hoist (and presumably Trailbreaker, because c'mon, they can't resist that oppurtunity), I'd need to see the new version. I'm more than happy with T30's offerrings, but if the new ones look good, T30 may just be shifted to a different shelf. Overall, I'm hoping these rumors are true. And isn't NYCC soon? Could this be a slight leak as to what we might see there?

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039564)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:03am CDT

I really hope the Optimus and Screamer aren't true, but we already know Hasbro's been mandating a big Optimus per line, so... :evil:

As long as Wheeljack looks good, he's a guaranteed purchase, I'm 99% confident that "Ironworks" is Ironfist/Fisitron so I'll be getting him, I don't buy the Micromasters so no to them, and pretty much everyone else is a wait-and see. If this is true though, it likely confirms that Inferno (the G1 guy sadly, not the superior Predacon), Trailbreaker, and possibly another Minibot character are coming from those Grapple, Hoist, and Cliff molds later in the line. Also please don't switch to Earth modes partway through, the lack of consistency will upset SO many fans.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:And isn't NYCC soon? Could this be a slight leak as to what we might see there?

NYCC is a week from tomorrow/today (depending on timezones), so we'll find out soon enough how much of this is legit.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039566)
Posted by frogbat on September 26th, 2019 @ 3:07am CDT

I hope that they go with an MP grapple lite - homaging the g1 toy more (though how that will work with the cybertronia element...)

re cliff jumper - I like the minibus being legends but I can see how they would do a couple as deluxes. I really want to see bee and wheeljack in their arrival from cybertron forms.

prime - meh I'm called primed out but ya never know

ss - well on one hand I'm curious, but I'm really happy with the tetra jet version and I'm sure they could find other characters to tackle 1st tho tho deception ranks aren't as full as the autobots...

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039567)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 26th, 2019 @ 3:09am CDT

I can see them all being true, especially with Starscream, given how Siege screamer transforms, I'd expect this to be a new mold. Should be interesting to see what else we get.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039571)
Posted by Coptur on September 26th, 2019 @ 4:16am CDT

Happy to hear about some of these

I agree they should be sticking to cybertronian modes especially those that had officials one in the cartoon (including Trailbreaker)

Cliffjumper - happy but hope he's legend size like all the other minibots, fingers crossed for hubcap repaint
Wheeljack - very happy
Grapple - never loved this character but i hope it improves upon the Generations version
Hoist - will have to good to replace the Generations one. I hope they don't cheap out and do a Trailbreaker from this as their animation model are extremely different.
Starscream Earth - not sure why they're already doing this i won't be replacing the cybertronian version this should've been a conehead slot
Optimus Prime - i suppose they can't not do Optimus Prime but this is an easy pass as the trailer just sit in a box anyway.

Ironwork - will have to see this
Mircomasters - i don't collect them

what i want to see:
Scorponok
Snapdragon
Devcon
Warpath

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039572)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2019 @ 4:27am CDT

Ironworks would likely be a weaponiser, so maybe it is a base that can be pulled apart into weapons tho the base mode would be pretty small even by the micromaster standards unless its just mainly hollow parts to give other figures boots or empty boxes on their backs.

Grapple will be a pass unless its made cybertronian or depending if I like it more than classics and I'm definitely wanting an inferno as I never got the classics and POTP is stickered up as another character.

Wheeljacks kind of the same as Grapple except if it isnt a good design (as per all the car autobots so far) I'll track down a classics.

Hoist...even if they screw him up I'm buying him.

Starscream let the earthmodes commence and hope it sorts the car modes out for all the car bots YAY. Maybe the classic seekers will finally have some competiton and TR Megs will have to get used to not being the biggest of the squadron.

Deluxe cliffjumper

fortunately deluxes can be pretty small and if it's legend sized with some decent weapons it might not feel like over paying for a under sized class like shockwave. If they have screwed the scale it will be a matter of waiting years for another Hasbro version or hoping a third party brings out some TR scale toys which would be unlikely. Might have been better for hasbro to have done him like the duocons in some way but time will tell.

When the micromaster packs start completing teams will mean I have some backtracking to purchase them, until then, money saved.

*Prime, may be a buy if it doesnt look like the voyager prime and the trailer is usable/sizable unlike Magnus. Would really like to see this so I know if I can pass on cell shaded Optimus completely.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039576)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 26th, 2019 @ 5:43am CDT

Coptur wrote:Happy to hear about some of these

I agree they should be sticking to cybertronian modes especially those that had officials one in the cartoon (including Trailbreaker)

Cliffjumper - happy but hope he's legend size like all the other minibots, fingers crossed for hubcap repaint
Wheeljack - very happy
Grapple - never loved this character but i hope it improves upon the Generations version
Hoist - will have to good to replace the Generations one. I hope they don't cheap out and do a Trailbreaker from this as their animation model are extremely different.
Starscream Earth - not sure why they're already doing this i won't be replacing the cybertronian version this should've been a conehead slot
Optimus Prime - i suppose they can't not do Optimus Prime but this is an easy pass as the trailer just sit in a box anyway.

Ironwork - will have to see this
Mircomasters - i don't collect them

what i want to see:
Scorponok
Snapdragon
Devcon
Warpath

I'd say look at when we got our first look at omega for when we'll see scorpy, might get a tease at nycc but you won't see the full thing till next spring.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039579)
Posted by Coptur on September 26th, 2019 @ 6:12am CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:I'd say look at when we got our first look at omega for when we'll see scorpy, might get a tease at nycc but you won't see the full thing till next spring.

Oh I really hope so.

I've always wanted a city Scorponok never had the original but is was on my xmas list every year LOL.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039585)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on September 26th, 2019 @ 8:48am CDT

Cliffjumper - The GDO one is fine for me.
Wheeljack - I really like the one I already have
Tracks - Yeah, him too.
Hoist - I mean, he could use a replacement, I guess, but the one I have is fine, really.
Grapple - Tempting, but likely no. I mean I have to come to a point where what i have is just fine. Buying the same guy over and over again is just madness.
Starscream Earth - Based on his just released Cybertronian jet they just released? The one with the amazing robot mode, but Cybertronian mode I couldn't care less about? A character I actually care about!? Do they really think I'll want to replace my Classics Seeker army? Or even just the main six with voyagers sized TFs full of posability and nostalgia?

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Well, jeez. I think we may have a winner. If he's based off the tetrajet mould I may just make an effort to get more of that thing. I mean I love that Classics Seeker mould a lot BECAUSE it's so G1 in BOTH modes. The only competition it has, in my mind, are pricy 3rd party toys from iGear - but they weren't perfect so I never went in on them. Since there are so many Seekers I've been waiting for something *perfect* and I've just never seen anything that could compete with that decade old mould. If this is it, and if it's based off the Seige tetrajet ... I just may go all-in. Get the Rainmakers and the Earth mode Starscrem & co.

But if it's anything but a G1 Seeker mould then fuggeddaboutit.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039587)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2019 @ 9:09am CDT

What if Starscream... is just the same mold... as the Siege tetrajet... but with the altmode kibble... swapped out for new altmode kibble?

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039588)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on September 26th, 2019 @ 9:24am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:What if Starscream... is just the same mold... as the Siege tetrajet... but with the altmode kibble... swapped out for new altmode kibble?

Almost ideal. Then the tetrajet Seekers belong with him as a set. That's what makes it appealing to me.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039589)
Posted by ScottyP on September 26th, 2019 @ 9:33am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:What if Starscream... is just the same mold... as the Siege tetrajet... but with the altmode kibble... swapped out for new altmode kibble?

That's precisely what I was thinking too. Swap out that hinge and the wings/fuselage for a different set that the torso still just folds under and they're done. And we'll all buy it again.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039591)
Posted by o.supreme on September 26th, 2019 @ 9:41am CDT

I'm excited for what this new line will truly have and its anticipated reveal at NYCC (2 weeks form today) :-D

I'm not to keen on the idea of Cliffjumper being a deluxe. If they are not going to bring back the Legends size class for this line, then perhaps it will be some sort of *armored up* version of Cliffjumper, similar to how the Siege Leaders are voyager sized until you add their additional components.

Also, I'm debating with Grapple. Will he be an all new mold? If so, he would look out of place next to PotP Inferno. But if he were the (umpteenth) use of the original CW Hotspot mold, would it retain the combiner functionality? If so, that opens up another mess of needing four more limbs to go with him. Even worse, he could end up like Ectotron, and be that mold, without the compatibility, (although Ectotron is definitely unique/awesome enough that virtually nobody besides me is complaining about the lack of compatibility

) and like Siege Chromia, suffer from being a pariah forever. Not only an unoriginal toy, but also stripped of it's originally intended purpose....

In this case, I guess the best outcome would be for Grapple to be an all new toy. If not, Selects better be planning on 4 limbs to go with him .

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039592)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2019 @ 9:46am CDT

o.supreme wrote:Also, I'm debating with Grapple. Will he be an all new mold?

More than likely. Hasbro hit the big reset button on most characters with Siege, and insisted that there would be no past molds in the mainline figures (Chromia's a new mold based on an old one with only her thighs recycled, people).

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039594)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2019 @ 10:39am CDT

Cliff jumper may be based on his prime version with zombie upgrade parts, war for cybertron isnt sticking to purely G1 looks and with greenlight/lancer, Grapple could just be the Energon version with some holes in him

Expect the worst and then be surprised (or maybe even a little bit more disappointed) when the reveals come out.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039595)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 26th, 2019 @ 10:49am CDT

blackeyedprime wrote:Expect the worst and then be surprised (or maybe even a little bit more disappointed) when the reveals come out.

This is basically my way of approaching a lot of rumors :lol:

Never thought we'd actually get a voyager Apeface, and yet here we are :lol:

Some of these sound great, but I'm expecting the worst in terms of how they may look/what they turn into. If Hoist looks exactly like his character model it'll be a bit awkward looking, but if it's closer to Trailbreaker's, it'll look cleaner. If Wheeljack turns into a box van, the kibble will be extreme, but if he turns into a Cybertronian supercar, he loses accuracy to what his original alt mode was

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039597)
Posted by Ironhidensh on September 26th, 2019 @ 11:06am CDT

ScottyP wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:What if Starscream... is just the same mold... as the Siege tetrajet... but with the altmode kibble... swapped out for new altmode kibble?
That's precisely what I was thinking too. Swap out that hinge and the wings/fuselage for a different set that the torso still just folds under and they're done. And we'll all buy it again.

Not all of us. [-(

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039599)
Posted by What's Crackin'? on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:00pm CDT

I haven't posted on here in forever, but I'm really hoping that these rumors turn out to be true. I've been wanting a new G1 Cliffjumper FOREVER! And since this technically comes out before Bumblebee this will be the first time this guy has gotten a new G1 mold in 35 YEARS. The Hot Rod patrol sound's great too. I love Big Daddy and would love to get a figure of him in the G1 ascetic. Wheeljack is the one guy I can guarantee will come out since Spinister did, and he's on the boxes. Everything else sounds cool, but I'm only interested in those 3.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039604)
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:22pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:Also, I'm debating with Grapple. Will he be an all new mold? If so, he would look out of place next to PotP Inferno. But if he were the (umpteenth) use of the original CW Hotspot mold, would it retain the combiner functionality?

Inferno was just a random toy to have on the shelves. It's what I always though and this further confirms it. He was never meant to be the definitive version of the character, as is the case for many opportunistic redecos where only the head changed. And so I think he will just remain a random combiner torso for you to do as you wish while this new Grapple (and eventual Inferno redeco) will be the new definitive renditions of the characters for a classics scaled collection.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039605)
Posted by 1984forever on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:22pm CDT

Dear Hasbro,
I need a Seeker Earth figure for every time a TF fan site says “take this with a grain of salt.”

Thanks in advance.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039606)
Posted by skycutter on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:22pm CDT

blackeyedprime wrote: Grapple could just be the Energon version with some holes in him

what energon Grapple?

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039607)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:27pm CDT

skycutter wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote: Grapple could just be the Energon version with some holes in him

what energon Grapple?

He's thinking of Roadblock, who was a Grapple homage.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039609)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 26th, 2019 @ 1:39pm CDT

1984forever wrote:Dear Hasbro,
I need a Seeker Earth figure for every time a TF fan site says “take this with a grain of salt.”

Thanks in advance.

For this however, you're not getting any: the product codes (E****) are enough to call them legit. Not sure who or what Ironworks is supposed to be (Micromaster "Irontread" seems to indicate Hasbro lost that trademark anyway), we'll have to wait and see.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039612)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on September 26th, 2019 @ 2:15pm CDT

Is it possible that Ironworks is the new legal-kerfuffle-free version of Ironfist?

Earth mode Starscream is really headscratching for me. Anyone here have Hasbro contacts that could clarify this?

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039613)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2019 @ 2:25pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
skycutter wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote: Grapple could just be the Energon version with some holes in him

what energon Grapple?
He's thinking of Roadblock, who was a Grapple homage.

Yep, that's the one. complemented the Energon Inferno nicely as well. Might not even look out of place next to Siege Ironhide if Earth modes are becoming the norm for war for cybertron figures.
It will be nice to see if we get other series throwbacks like RID Magnus, Cybertron Prime and Hotshot.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039617)
Posted by Emerje on September 26th, 2019 @ 3:32pm CDT

My theory for Ironworks:

Erector is a fan favorite (though mainly due to his name) that Hasbro would likely want to rename. It would be a little less confusing giving a Micromaster name to another Micromaster. The name actually fits Erector as an alternative pretty well. This leak has no obvious Weaponizer while his base could easily be broken down into parts to fill that role. Plus they've got three more to choose from for later waves. There's no real repaint potential for the trailers, but there is the possibility for parts sharing.

I feel like there's no real reason why Hasbro couldn't keep using the name Fisitron for Ironfist. It's such a clever name change that most people familiar with the character already knows, I'd hate to see them lose it.

Nice thing is we don't have to speculate for long, we should see some of these this time next week as well as a preview of the next Titan at NYCC.

Emerje

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039618)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2019 @ 3:43pm CDT

If ironworks isn't the weaponiser of the potential wave, maybe starscream can be? Pull his limbs off to equip them to megatron to beat starscream to death with or equip parts to Optimus for a starscream in disguise.
Starscream should be a new mold anyways to hide his legs otherwise I doubt he will be as good as the tetra jet.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039619)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 26th, 2019 @ 3:49pm CDT

Who says this wave has to have a Weaponizer? The two upcoming waves don't have any... Besides, the next one should be Scorponok's Fasttrack :-?

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039623)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 26th, 2019 @ 4:01pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who says this wave has to have a Weaponizer? The two upcoming waves don't have any... Besides, the next one should be Scorponok's Fasttrack

Depends if you see selects as part of the waves or not as Jetdasher is yet to be declared how it is releasing. Emerjes Ironwork/Erector theory could be used as a repaint as fast track depending on how it is done (or vice versa if they are using a repaint of fast track as Ironworks to begin with).

Lets see how wrong/right we are in the next few weeks, for all we know ironworks could be a weaponising rocklord

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039625)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 26th, 2019 @ 4:07pm CDT

blackeyedprime wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who says this wave has to have a Weaponizer? The two upcoming waves don't have any... Besides, the next one should be Scorponok's Fasttrack

Depends if you see selects as part of the waves or not as Jetdasher is yet to be declared how it is releasing. Emerjes Ironwork/Erector theory could be used as a repaint as fast track depending on how it is done (or vice versa if they are using a repaint of fast track as Ironworks to begin with).

Lets see how wrong/right we are in the next few weeks, for all we know ironworks could be a weaponising rocklord

Like Zetar (drill), Cromar (jet) is a Selects release, the elusive WFC-GS04 to be exact. And like exclusives, I consider Selects separate btw

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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 26th, 2019 @ 7:11pm CDT

I'm really hoping this Ironworks is Ironfist. We need more Wreckers!

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Posted by Wireless_Phantom on September 26th, 2019 @ 7:35pm CDT

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I'm really hoping this Ironworks is Ironfist. We need more Wreckers!

Keep in mind, even if it does turn out to just actually be a deluxe sized Ironworks, he would probably fit in just fine among the Wreckers.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039694)
Posted by Munkky on September 27th, 2019 @ 12:49pm CDT

Wheeljack is the only one of these I'm really interested in, I'm not exactly hyped for the third Voyager Starscream and third Leader Optimus Prime in a row, but it would be nice if we got Coneheads out of the mould, and I like that Earth alt modes are coming back (even if it's only a few figures).

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Posted by Nemesis Primal on September 29th, 2019 @ 6:15pm CDT

Someone on the TFW boards found another listing from the same source: E7146 Battlemaster Soundbarrier. So if anyone was worried that Battlemasters were only a Siege thing, worry no more. The link leads to a product not found page like many of the other ones: https://www.southernhobby.com/transformer-battle-master-soundbarrier/p38567/

I've also seen the suggestion thrown around elsewhere that this Trailer Optimus could be Machine Wars OP, and we might therefore finally get a new Thunderclash.

ALSO I realized, if Cliffjumper is allowed at Deluxe pricepoint in addition to Refraktor, I no longer see why Insecticons at said pricepoint are not allowed/okay.

So is this basically just the thread for WFC 2 now? Someone should remove the Fan Vote part from the title.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2039900)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 29th, 2019 @ 6:27pm CDT

Nemesis Primal wrote:ALSO I realized, if Cliffjumper is allowed at Deluxe pricepoint in addition to Refraktor, I no longer see why Insecticons at said pricepoint are not allowed/okay.

So is this basically just the thread for WFC 2 now? Someone should remove the Fan Vote part from the title.

I think Deluxe is the smallest Class for regular "standalone" figures now, with Battle Masters and Micromasters being more "accessory" Classes. Legends-sized figures may still be possible, but with more accessories to bump them up to Deluxe prices.

Or just split it off. Maybe wait with that until the line's name is properly announced

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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 29th, 2019 @ 6:37pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:ALSO I realized, if Cliffjumper is allowed at Deluxe pricepoint in addition to Refraktor, I no longer see why Insecticons at said pricepoint are not allowed/okay.

So is this basically just the thread for WFC 2 now? Someone should remove the Fan Vote part from the title.

I think Deluxe is the smallest Class for regular "standalone" figures now, with Battle Masters and Micromasters being more "accessory" Classes. Legends-sized figures may still be possible, but with more accessories to bump them up to Deluxe prices.

Or just split it off. Maybe wait with that until the line's name is properly announced

I hope that's not the case. I liked the legends figures cause they were just as fun as deluxes for half the price. But, if they do get more accessories to justify the price, I suppose that'll be okay ;)^

Though, with the new listing for a battlemaster, I am looking forward to seeing what else they have in store. I'm hoping we see a few more melee weapons, maybe even a new shield

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040039)
Posted by skycutter on October 1st, 2019 @ 11:23am CDT

not sure it goes here but we got reveal of 4 of these rumor(grapple, ironwork(whose actually ironwork)hot rod patrol and optimus)

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040044)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:11pm CDT

Well... Guess they've decided they had enough Cybertronian modes then

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040046)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:13pm CDT

Damn, these look good.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040047)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:18pm CDT

I'm glad the 3mm pegs are here to stay, hopefully Fire Blasts or something similar will remain in the $6 line. Looks like battle damage is going away, so I'll have to decide if I want to scrub it off of my Siege Autobots.

Me last year: I love this Optimus, the Cybertronian mode is close enough to G1 Earth mode that it works!
Me today: You're going right in the trash

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040050)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:46pm CDT

Ironhidensh wrote:Damn, these look good.

Damnit, Hasbro! Optimus Prime's eyes are BLUE! You're willing to give Grapple his cartoon accurate yellow head, but deny Prime his blue eyes? No one cares about toy accurate yellow eyes on G1 Prime! Save that for the Unicron Trilogy versions of Optimus Prime!

Otherwise, these look freakin' AMAZING! Optimus Prime is practically a Masterpiece figure at the Generations scale and price!

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040051)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:48pm CDT

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Damn, these look good.

Damnit, Hasbro! Optimus Prime's eyes are BLUE! You're willing to give Grapple his cartoon accurate yellow head, but deny Prime his blue eyes? No one cares about toy accurate yellow eyes on G1 Prime! Save that for the Unicron Trilogy versions of Optimus Prime!

Otherwise, these look freakin' AMAZING! Optimus Prime is practically a Masterpiece figure at the Generations scale and price!

They're saving the blue eyes for the Generation Selects release where they also give him the wrong colored matrix so you have to buy both

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040054)
Posted by Skritz on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:52pm CDT

Man, just when we thought Siege Optimus was going to be the definitive Optimus and now this happen. *Sighs*. >:oP

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040055)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 1st, 2019 @ 12:54pm CDT

Wolfman Jake wrote:No one cares about toy accurate yellow eyes on G1 Prime!

You'd be surprised how many fans genuinely prefer the toy-accurate color contrast of "yellow eyes and blue helmet" over the cartoon's more redundant "blue eyes and blue helmet".

Also, Marvel G1 has fans too.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040058)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on October 1st, 2019 @ 1:06pm CDT

These looks good, but I think I'll stick with my gut and just get the Earth Mode Seekers (I'm just gonna assume they'll make all six). I still really like my old Classics Prime and Grapple just got tossed into a storage bin since I have no room. If they make him Hauler one day then I may go for that. But that Prime is great.

I wonder if this means Earth Mode Ironhide and Ratchet? Those guys could stand replacing and Cybertronian modes won't cut it for me.

Re: Possible Listings for 2020 War for Cybertron Line show Wheeljack, Cliffjumper, Hoist and More (2040059)
Posted by Skritz on October 1st, 2019 @ 1:06pm CDT

Anyone else feel like this line will be a massive fuck you to anyone who bought Cybertronian Optimus, Megatron and Seekers?

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