Predictions for Rise of the Beasts' Opening Week-end Show it Might Come in Second to Spider-man

While fans can loathe critic scores till the cows come home, they haven't shown to have much of an impact on box office success. For the Transformers franchise, it's even an inverse relation at times. And this can be said for the box office at large. A better predicter for success is Cinemascore. This is basically the equivalent to word of mouth but through standardized surveys. These have become almost binary even though they are on a gradient.

Basically, films with strong word of mouth get As and the ones that that don't have that get Bs and anything below is dead on arrival, when it comes to big budget films. Most Marvel films in the past have gotten at least an A-, but that changed in phase 4 where Eternals and the latest films from the Doctor Strange, Ant-man and Thor franchises have gotten a B+ or less. Well, Transformers Rise of the Beasts has scored an A- Cinemascore and that is excellent news. It beats out all those Marvel films we mentioned as well as The Last Knight which had a B+.

This was posted by the actual Cinemascore group on Twitter.

I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

Maybe the rooms are truly full at night after 6PM.

william-james88 wrote:While fans can loathe critic scores till the cows come home, they haven't shown to have much of an impact on box office success. For the Transformers franchise, it's even an inverse relation at times. And this can be said for the box office at large. A better predicter for success is Cinemascore. This is basically the equivalent to word of mouth but through standardized surveys. These have become almost binary even though they are on a gradient.

Basically, films with strong word of mouth get As and the ones that that don't have that get Bs and anything below is dead on arrival, when it comes to big budget films. Most Marvel films in the past have gotten at least an A-, but that changed in phase 4 where Eternals and the latest films from the Doctor Strange, Ant-man and Thor franchises have gotten a B+ or less. Well, Transformers Rise of the Beasts has scored an A- Cinemascore and that is excellent news. It beats out all those Marvel films we mentioned as well as The Last Knight which had a B+.

This was posted by the actual Cinemascore group on Twitter.

This is solely my own armchair analysis but since I started reviewing movie toys with Age of Extinction, I have noticed a gradual but steady decline in interest as well as shorter windows of interest. As it is with ROTB, I'm not getting close to the views I did with Bumblebee movie toys which were far, far bellow TLK and AOE.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

Maybe the rooms are truly full at night after 6PM.

I went to a 6:10 showing last night with two friends. It was just us and two other people. Looked like everyone was going to Across the Sipder-verse. I'm rural, maybe it's doing better in cities?

FiddlerUndone wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

Maybe the rooms are truly full at night after 6PM.

I went to a 6:10 showing last night with two friends. It was just us and two other people. Looked like everyone was going to Across the Sipder-verse. I'm rural, maybe it's doing better in cities?

I saw the movie on Friday, June 9, at 6:15pm. The room was full of people. From annoying little kids to middle-aged beer-drinkers. Nearly every seat in the room was filled, and it was one of the building's larger theater rooms.

Theater occupation is always going to vary across locations, but man here in Denver , theaters were packed all weekend for the movie! Was going to see an early screening Wednesday but we were SOL. Saw it Friday in a full theater at 7:45, packed to the brim! Whether you like it or not, this film will undoubtedly have a net positive impact on the future of the franchise (I loved it too much, but that could’ve been the beer talking).

Well these days, “better than recent Marvel films” isn’t exactly shooting for the moon, is it?

DeathReviews wrote:Well these days, “better than recent Marvel films” isn’t exactly shooting for the moon, is it?

Ouch...

When I saw the movie Friday night, there were about 12 people total, but it was a 4:00 showing on a Friday in a small town.

I went yesterday at 6:00 in the city, sold out.

My movie session was pretty full.

I went to an 11:00 am showing on Friday and there were only 6 people there. But I'm sure that was because kids were still in school and most people still at work. But it was just perfect. Didn't have to worry about a bunch of people talking or on their phones or just ruining the experience. I had a great time. Fun movie. Definitely top 3 for me.

Stormshot_Prime wrote:Theater occupation is always going to vary across locations, but man here in Denver , theaters were packed all weekend for the movie! Was going to see an early screening Wednesday but we were SOL. Saw it Friday in a full theater at 7:45, packed to the brim! Whether you like it or not, this film will undoubtedly have a net positive impact on the future of the franchise (I loved it too much, but that could’ve been the beer talking).

It definitely will, it will also make Primal a household name to kids, which is awesome. Working on a few articles at the moment, lots of good news and goodies coming your way.

We at Seibertron have some fun goodies for you. Hasbro sent out these colouring pages to retailers and we have scanned them for you to print out. They include a maze, an easy unscramble codeword puzzle and a colouring page of Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal. The film is getting great reactions from families so if any of your kids want some more Transformers Rise of the Beasts themed activities, here you go, enjoy!

Why would I do the Rescue Maze puzzle if the bot at the Finish is Pablo?

I shouldn't be too harsh on ROTB WJ though, seems like most people who saw the movie felt far less animity towards the character at the end. But I don't think I read anyone like him though.

Oh, the irony of the character people are nicknaming "Pablo" being the one who calls out another character in the movie for being racist.

Sabrblade wrote:Oh, the irony of the character people are nicknaming "Pablo" being the one who calls out another character in the movie for being racist.

""Racist?" Really? But they are robots..."

crazyfist wrote:I went to an 11:00 am showing on Friday and there were only 6 people there. But I'm sure that was because kids were still in school and most people still at work. But it was just perfect. Didn't have to worry about a bunch of people talking or on their phones or just ruining the experience. I had a great time. Fun movie. Definitely top 3 for me.

Seems like a top 3 for most people, including myself. I just don't know if I'd place it above or below the 2007 film. This has more Transformers "stuff" in it, nut the 2007 film did a good job at presenting this world on a real setting. It's not the ideal format for a Transformers film but it's still a well realized vision.

.........Okay and the box-office?

Wow even I thought it would hit $100M this weekend domestically and then make a 60%-70% drop next weekend allowing Spiderverse to maintain the number 2 spot while Flash takes #1. Such is the way of studios that continue to make half-@ssed, poorly written action films surrounded by other possibly better action films this Summer...

YoungPrime wrote:.........Okay and the box-office?

Wow even I thought it would hit $100M this weekend domestically and then make a 60%-70% drop next weekend allowing Spiderverse to maintain the number 2 spot while Flash takes #1. Such is the way of studios that continue to make half-@ssed, poorly written action films surrounded by other possibly better action films this Summer...

Wasn't even close to that. But at lest it beat out Spider-verse which was 50/50

william-james88 wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:.........Okay and the box-office?

Wow even I thought it would hit $100M this weekend domestically and then make a 60%-70% drop next weekend allowing Spiderverse to maintain the number 2 spot while Flash takes #1. Such is the way of studios that continue to make half-@ssed, poorly written action films surrounded by other possibly better action films this Summer...

Wasn't even close to that. But at lest it beat out Spider-verse which was 50/50

Frankly Hasbro was screwed by this movie placement. If this were separated from either Spider-man or The Flash by a couple weeks, I think there would be a huge difference and it WOULD have hit $100 million domestic. As it is, sounds like the global is in the neighborhood of $150 mill. They should have gone with memorial day weekend or the week before if they wanted better box office domestically.

It was a tight race but Transformers has claimed the number 1 box office spot for this week-end, both domestically and internationally. Domestically, it got 60 Million dollars compared to Spider-verse's 55 Million. However, it should be stated that Spider-verse outperformed Transformers during the actual week-end. The reason why Transformers ends up on top is due to the earlier showings during the week. The film also made 110 Million internationally (so everywhere other than the US and Canada) which gives it 170 Million in total. Also please note that it made 40 M in China showing that it's still a big market for the brand (however, Paramount/Hasbro see only 25% of revenue from Chinese theatres).

While these numbers aren't amazing as they once were, remember that Dark of the Moon opened to 97 M domestically, the numbers do show that whatever stain there may have been in the past which lead to disappointing returns for The Last Knight and Bumblebee might be in the past. The domestic numbers are 3 times what they were for Bumblebee 5 years ago, proving that there is still a a demand from these films, and not just from fans. The reason these numbers surpass industry estimates is due to the higher number of tickets that were bought on the spot in proportion to presale tickets (which are largely purchased by fans), when compared to Super-hero movies. This means that Transformers really is in a league of its own, appealing to general movie goers rather than simply being backed by a big fanbase. And that happens to be exactly what Paramount was going for, with it's vague sense of continuity and choosing to not distance themselves too much from familiarity and the live action movie brand and aesthetic.

Another really important point is that the diversity angle did pay off. The film did heavily market its inclusion of people of colour and the breakdown of ticket sales shows that, domestically, it was people identifying as Hispanic which made up the largest viewership. This has never happened before for a Transformers film. Here is a full breakdown:

32% Hispanic
31% Caucasian
21% Black
16% Asian/Other

While this is all good news, no one can predict how the Flash will perform next week. Next week's box office performance will let us have a better idea of how strong this film's box gross can be and we'll keep you up to date on it.

There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. The Hollywood Handle tweeted the following:

‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11

That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.

[Quick to streaming] would be great news. Kiddo keeps saying he wants to see it, but I think it's more than he can handle in a theater. Slow to start (by 4yo standards) and I think Airazor's subplot will freak him the hell out. I'll need that pause button ready.

william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. [urlhttps://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1668087994857709568?t=Mn9vR5P3kIaCbuJwsa4ZVg&s=19]The Hollywood Handle[/url] tweeted the following:

‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11

That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.

Heads up, your link is broken.

King Kuuga wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. [urlhttps://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1668087994857709568?t=Mn9vR5P3kIaCbuJwsa4ZVg&s=19]The Hollywood Handle[/url] tweeted the following:

‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11

That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.

Heads up, your link is broken.

Thanks, fixed it

It will be like how Super Mario Bros is out now to rent or buy in UK from the sky store. Think that film is £16.99 to rent or £19.99 to buy and then will be streaming for free in the paramount app just in time for Christmas. Think they did that with Top Gun: Maverick also

Post-Disney Marvel is straight-up garbage that doubles down way too hard on goofy comedy. Compare what's come out lately to the first Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and even The Incredible Hulk movie and it's just no contest.

muddyjoe wrote:Post-Disney Marvel is straight-up garbage that doubles down way too hard on goofy comedy. Compare what's come out lately to the first Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and even The Incredible Hulk movie and it's just no contest.

Thor and Captain America 1 were both produced after Disney purchased Marvel.

King Kuuga wrote:

muddyjoe wrote:Post-Disney Marvel is straight-up garbage that doubles down way too hard on goofy comedy. Compare what's come out lately to the first Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and even The Incredible Hulk movie and it's just no contest.

Thor and Captain America 1 were both produced after Disney purchased Marvel.

And since Iron Man 2 was produced during the Disney purchase, that means Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk were the only two MCU films produced and released completely before Disney bought Marvel.

Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films.like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Ezra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.

o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films.like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Extra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.

I feel the same way, a shame WB didn't just drop the Flash aspects and just make a Batman Beyond movie with old man Keaton

ZeroWolf wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films.like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Extra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.

I feel the same way, a shame WB didn't just drop the Flash aspects and just make a Batman Beyond movie with old man Keaton

Could still be on the table as an elseworlds thing, which is an aspect of the brand James Gunn wants to dive deeper in.

I'm very curious to see how Flash changes things.

I am SO torn on The Flash. On one hand, it looks good (but trailers always DO make these things look good), but Ezra Miller is such a sack of crap I'm not sure I want to support the movie (and by proxy, him). I have a feeling adding Michael Keaton was the only way they could have saved this movie from Ezra's sheer stupidity in the real world.

So I'm watching ROTB now

When Mirage makes a deal with Noah, promising he can sell him for cash if Noah gets the Autobots the transwarp key, he shows off by transforming into a Lamborghini, and then A FORMULA ONE CAR LIKE IN G1!



In conclusion I am happy at least something I like will come out of this movie.

william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. The Hollywood Handle tweeted the following:

‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11

That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.

With it not getting a full release in Australia until June 22, I may as well save my money (and wear and tear on the car) and just wait for a digital release.

And if it's not released digitally in Australia, then I go back to my old ways and pirate it. We're a nation of pirates founded on the backs of criminals, this is what happens when you delay releases just for a few extra school holiday dollars.

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. The Hollywood Handle tweeted the following:

‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11

That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.

With it not getting a full release in Australia until June 22, I may as well save my money (and wear and tear on the car) and just wait for a digital release.

And if it's not released digitally in Australia, then I go back to my old ways and pirate it. We're a nation of pirates founded on the backs of criminals, this is what happens when you delay releases just for a few extra school holiday dollars.

I'll drink to that

o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.

Brokebot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.

The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.

First-Aid wrote:

Brokebot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.

The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.

I have a tendency to agree. Rotten Tomatoes has been suspected of altering and removing reviews for a long time. Nonetheless, I still haven't heard anything from the professional shills, naysayers, or fanboys that make this movie any more appealing than the myriad of teasers and trailers we've seen so far. I know several places where I can get a hamburger that I'll enjoy more and pay less for than a ticket to this. Ironically, I do wish this thing some measure of success as it keeps the brand alive as my participation in it wanes.

Brokebot wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Brokebot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.

Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.

The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.

I have a tendency to agree. Rotten Tomatoes has been suspected of altering and removing reviews for a long time. Nonetheless, I still haven't heard anything from the professional shills, naysayers, or fanboys that make this movie any more appealing than the myriad of teasers and trailers we've seen so far. I know several places where I can get a hamburger that I'll enjoy more and pay less for than a ticket to this. Ironically, I do wish this thing some measure of success as it keeps the brand alive as my participation in it wanes.

If it helps, my PERSONAL review is that it was a thoroughly enjoyable movie, definitely worth price of admission. It feels very much like the old Saturday morning cartoons I grew up with, fun and slightly over the top while not being to top-heavy. Some of the camera angles and shots are really good and the bots look FAR more polished than any of the other movies. Mirage is a great entertainer to hook kids, Prime is very Prime-y with a lot of homesickness and guilt for being marooned on Earth incorporated. The humans are non-intrusive, just advancing the plot enough when needed. The focus is very much on the bots. In my mind, on a par with the Bee movie and fun.

Hope this helps.

Having seen it back on Friday, I've figured out which Saturday morning cartoon it felt like: The 1992 X-Men cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:Having seen it back on Friday, I've figured out which Saturday morning cartoon it felt like: The 1992 X-Men cartoon.

A classic show for sure.

About movie critics, Matpat on YouTube made an excellent video talking about it.

I really miss Siskel and Ebert.

I remember when they reviewed the 1989 rerelease of Disney's animated Peter Pan on At The Movies, and where Ebert was approaching from a technical standpoint, Siskel was completely enamored with how much watching the movie made him feel like a kid again.

A few scenes of the movie occur at night, gets really annoying to see. Much better later though

I was questioning if ROTB is supposed to be a horror movie for a few seconds there!

I absolutely hate Wheeljack's accent. Just can't get over it, it sounds awful.

Airazor's voice sounds less terrible, they choose her worst lines for the trailers, but still not that great.

Best movie bot right here, no question from me. Mirage MADE the movie for me!

-Kanrabat- wrote:About movie critics, Matpat on YouTube made an excellent video talking about it.

If you like YuoTube movie critiques, I recommend The Critical Drinker.

Brokebot wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:About movie critics, Matpat on YouTube made an excellent video talking about it.

If you like YuoTube movie critiques, I recommend The Critical Drinker.

I'm a longtime subscriber.