Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #23

william-james88 wrote:Just to be sure, Pharma was NOT Adaptus in hiding right? Every other god was hiding within another character because they had forgotten who they were, but adaptus never forgot right?

And yes, this all feels rushed. Does the reveal of the omega guardians gel well with what we learn of them in the Unicron series?

Randomhero wrote:And those are different guardians. The cybertronian ones arnt the same ones as the ones here. They probably should have just called the ones OP/unicron omega Sentinels ...

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:And those are different guardians. The cybertronian ones arnt the same ones as the ones here. They probably should have just called the ones OP/unicron omega Sentinels ...

What what?! So who the hell are these guys in the magnificence? When were they previously referenced?

Ishin Ookami wrote: Does anyone know why this issue wasn't two weeks apart from the last one? And are we returning to that schedule again or do we wait until November to see how this all wraps up?

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:And those are different guardians. The cybertronian ones arnt the same ones as the ones here. They probably should have just called the ones OP/unicron omega Sentinels ...

What what?! So who the hell are these guys in the magnificence? When were they previously referenced?

Rodimus Prime wrote:I still think there's a chance for Rodimus and Megatron to end up in at least conjunx amica, if not conjunx endura, considering some of the other characters' development in the past.

Also, this is most likely just wishful thinking on my part, because it has been said that LL will have nothing to do with Unicron, but I would love it if LL #25 and OP #25 came before Unicron #6 and it would end with Functionist Primus/Cybertron arriving just in time to fight Unicron and have them both be destroyed in the battle, thus ending the entire IDW universe with all 3 books intertwined and coming to one single definite conclusion.

ZeroWolf wrote:You know I was beginning to think I'd imagined what barber said about op 25. I've parroted it but no one was paying me any attention.

ZeroWolf wrote:I wonder how that would have worked if it was the intention. Though there's the possibility that the functionist council may have been introduced more as a threat a lot earlier if megs hadn't been there.

ZeroWolf wrote:These are good points though wouldn't that extend to them dealing with unicron as well though?

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

At this point ya never know. I’m leaving the possibility that lost ends as it should and the next issue of unicron could end with functionalist Primus showing up to help.

That’s be how you tie them up. I won’t be shocked if it doesn’t though

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

At this point ya never know. I’m leaving the possibility that lost ends as it should and the next issue of unicron could end with functionalist Primus showing up to help.

That’s be how you tie them up. I won’t be shocked if it doesn’t though

I had a suspicion that Rung would somehow take control of the fake Primus and obtain a "true" body. This would somehow end with him battling Unicron in the present time.

On a side note, somebody mentioned that no explanation has been given for Adaptus possessing Pharma. I was thinking the same thing as I read this issue. It seems to be a pretty major plot hole that will hopefully be filled before this universe goes kaput.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

At this point ya never know. I’m leaving the possibility that lost ends as it should and the next issue of unicron could end with functionalist Primus showing up to help.

That’s be how you tie them up. I won’t be shocked if it doesn’t though

I had a suspicion that Rung would somehow take control of the fake Primus and obtain a "true" body. This would somehow end with him battling Unicron in the present time.

On a side note, somebody mentioned that no explanation has been given for Adaptus possessing Pharma. I was thinking the same thing as I read this issue. It seems to be a pretty major plot hole that will hopefully be filled before this universe goes kaput.

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

At this point ya never know. I’m leaving the possibility that lost ends as it should and the next issue of unicron could end with functionalist Primus showing up to help.

That’s be how you tie them up. I won’t be shocked if it doesn’t though

I had a suspicion that Rung would somehow take control of the fake Primus and obtain a "true" body. This would somehow end with him battling Unicron in the present time.

On a side note, somebody mentioned that no explanation has been given for Adaptus possessing Pharma. I was thinking the same thing as I read this issue. It seems to be a pretty major plot hole that will hopefully be filled before this universe goes kaput.

But there is an explanation. It is pharma that went through the portal connecting into Adaptus' brain. So they linked in that way.

At least we now know Adaptus's consciousness is what Skids had seen.

Randomhero wrote:I did. It’ll be addressed I’m sure.

Rungs body is his true form. He’s not a god. He’s just the first cybertronian. He’s special that’s for sure but like he said. He doesn’t have all powerful powers.

The only real question I have is: he creates matrices, how did the matrix reformat Cybertron back in chaos?

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I did. It’ll be addressed I’m sure.

Rungs body is his true form. He’s not a god. He’s just the first cybertronian. He’s special that’s for sure but like he said. He doesn’t have all powerful powers.

The only real question I have is: he creates matrices, how did the matrix reformat Cybertron back in chaos?

I worded that poorly. I meant his more recognizable form as Primus. Though, if I remember correctly, there are two Primuses in this universe, the original creator god and the smaller Primus that resulted when the original split himself into multiple entities. So, in a way, "true form" may be somewhat correct. Was it ever established that OG Primus's body wasn't Cybertron?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I did. It’ll be addressed I’m sure.

Rungs body is his true form. He’s not a god. He’s just the first cybertronian. He’s special that’s for sure but like he said. He doesn’t have all powerful powers.

The only real question I have is: he creates matrices, how did the matrix reformat Cybertron back in chaos?

I worded that poorly. I meant his more recognizable form as Primus. Though, if I remember correctly, there are two Primuses in this universe, the original creator god and the smaller Primus that resulted when the original split himself into multiple entities. So, in a way, "true form" may be somewhat correct. Was it ever established that OG Primus's body wasn't Cybertron?

It has now been established that Cybertron was merely a planet. It was never Primus. Primus was the first born on the planet, with the rest of the guiding hand born alongside or right after him. There are no Gods in this universe apparently: The 13 were all orchestrated by Shockwave, religion was a Shockwave invention, Cybertron was always just a planet, Unicron a doomsday invention of an ancient race being attacked by ancient Cybertronians.

Although, if Rung/Primus could make the Matrix, and could make more, how it revitalized Cybertron would be an interesting question. But also, I'm kinda hoping that the 12 matrix plan works, and that Functionist cybertron goes that way, and maybe Rung/Primus can replace Vector Sigma somehow, and thus we have a whole new TF world

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I did. It’ll be addressed I’m sure.

Rungs body is his true form. He’s not a god. He’s just the first cybertronian. He’s special that’s for sure but like he said. He doesn’t have all powerful powers.

The only real question I have is: he creates matrices, how did the matrix reformat Cybertron back in chaos?

I worded that poorly. I meant his more recognizable form as Primus. Though, if I remember correctly, there are two Primuses in this universe, the original creator god and the smaller Primus that resulted when the original split himself into multiple entities. So, in a way, "true form" may be somewhat correct. Was it ever established that OG Primus's body wasn't Cybertron?

It has now been established that Cybertron was merely a planet. It was never Primus. Primus was the first born on the planet, with the rest of the guiding hand born alongside or right after him. There are no Gods in this universe apparently: The 13 were all orchestrated by Shockwave, religion was a Shockwave invention, Cybertron was always just a planet, Unicron a doomsday invention of an ancient race being attacked by ancient Cybertronians.

Although, if Rung/Primus could make the Matrix, and could make more, how it revitalized Cybertron would be an interesting question. But also, I'm kinda hoping that the 12 matrix plan works, and that Functionist cybertron goes that way, and maybe Rung/Primus can replace Vector Sigma somehow, and thus we have a whole new TF world

That’s correct. According to the Legends which we know is false. There was Primus. Primus split himself into 5 deities. Mortilus adaptus solimus epistemous and prime himself. But this isn’t true and like you said Cybertron is just a planet. It’s not the other fictions that have been established over 30 years that made Primus’s body.

Randomhero wrote:That’s correct. According to the Legends which we know is false. There was Primus. Primus split himself into 5 deities. Mortilus adaptus solimus epistemous and prime himself. But this isn’t true and like you said Cybertron is just a planet. It’s not the other fictions that have been established over 30 years that made Primus’s body.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:That’s correct. According to the Legends which we know is false. There was Primus. Primus split himself into 5 deities. Mortilus adaptus solimus epistemous and prime himself. But this isn’t true and like you said Cybertron is just a planet. It’s not the other fictions that have been established over 30 years that made Primus’s body.

You really need to knock it down a peg or 2 with the correcting everyone and basically trying to correct their hopes, it's gotten a bit too intrusive into conversations, especially those where people wish something could play out but aren't demanding it.

Also, while we have all the Gods and stuff be fake here, Vector Sigma itself is also an unknown quantity in a way, seeing as how Cyclonus referred to it as "he" after he interfaced with it and it is basically the one thing that hasn't been explained from the mythos, especially since the matrix through it revived Cybertron. So saying Rung and his regeneritive powers couldn't merge with it for some interesting results despite the fact that he can make Matrices and those have shown to interact with VS before is still a bit premature maybe

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:That’s correct. According to the Legends which we know is false. There was Primus. Primus split himself into 5 deities. Mortilus adaptus solimus epistemous and prime himself. But this isn’t true and like you said Cybertron is just a planet. It’s not the other fictions that have been established over 30 years that made Primus’s body.

You really need to knock it down a peg or 2 with the correcting everyone and basically trying to correct their hopes, it's gotten a bit too intrusive into conversations, especially those where people wish something could play out but aren't demanding it.

Also, while we have all the Gods and stuff be fake here, Vector Sigma itself is also an unknown quantity in a way, seeing as how Cyclonus referred to it as "he" after he interfaced with it and it is basically the one thing that hasn't been explained from the mythos, especially since the matrix through it revived Cybertron. So saying Rung and his regeneritive powers couldn't merge with it for some interesting results despite the fact that he can make Matrices and those have shown to interact with VS before is still a bit premature maybe

Oh excuse me for knowing the comics and their continuity and correcting and pointing out things people have mistaken and forgotten. Totally my bad for the knowing the comics. How dare I

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

At this point ya never know. I’m leaving the possibility that lost ends as it should and the next issue of unicron could end with functionalist Primus showing up to help.

That’s be how you tie them up. I won’t be shocked if it doesn’t though

I had a suspicion that Rung would somehow take control of the fake Primus and obtain a "true" body. This would somehow end with him battling Unicron in the present time.

On a side note, somebody mentioned that no explanation has been given for Adaptus possessing Pharma. I was thinking the same thing as I read this issue. It seems to be a pretty major plot hole that will hopefully be filled before this universe goes kaput.

But there is an explanation. It is pharma that went through the portal connecting into Adaptus' brain. So they linked in that way.

At least we now know Adaptus's consciousness is what Skids had seen.

I think he meant why was he using his body. What happened to Adaptus’s body

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:That’s correct. According to the Legends which we know is false. There was Primus. Primus split himself into 5 deities. Mortilus adaptus solimus epistemous and prime himself. But this isn’t true and like you said Cybertron is just a planet. It’s not the other fictions that have been established over 30 years that made Primus’s body.

You really need to knock it down a peg or 2 with the correcting everyone and basically trying to correct their hopes, it's gotten a bit too intrusive into conversations, especially those where people wish something could play out but aren't demanding it.

Also, while we have all the Gods and stuff be fake here, Vector Sigma itself is also an unknown quantity in a way, seeing as how Cyclonus referred to it as "he" after he interfaced with it and it is basically the one thing that hasn't been explained from the mythos, especially since the matrix through it revived Cybertron. So saying Rung and his regeneritive powers couldn't merge with it for some interesting results despite the fact that he can make Matrices and those have shown to interact with VS before is still a bit premature maybe

Oh excuse me for knowing the comics and their continuity and correcting and pointing out things people have mistaken and forgotten. Totally my bad for the knowing the comics. How dare I

Not knocking the knowledge, but rather the attitude like this. It makes discussing things a bit hard and not overly fun. You can be right, but others can also speculate on things that are yet to be proven right, or might not be completely as they are told without a matter-of-fact bomb

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You know with Unicron appearing in the Optimus stor and fake Primus appearing in LL, I do find it too bad that the final showdown isnt these two giant planet formers against eachother.

At this point ya never know. I’m leaving the possibility that lost ends as it should and the next issue of unicron could end with functionalist Primus showing up to help.

That’s be how you tie them up. I won’t be shocked if it doesn’t though

I had a suspicion that Rung would somehow take control of the fake Primus and obtain a "true" body. This would somehow end with him battling Unicron in the present time.

On a side note, somebody mentioned that no explanation has been given for Adaptus possessing Pharma. I was thinking the same thing as I read this issue. It seems to be a pretty major plot hole that will hopefully be filled before this universe goes kaput.

But there is an explanation. It is pharma that went through the portal connecting into Adaptus' brain. So they linked in that way.

At least we now know Adaptus's consciousness is what Skids had seen.

I think he meant why was he using his body. What happened to Adaptus’s body

I felt that was clear too, well clearer than other things that confused me. We see his body being reconstructed before he kills Scorponok. And the reason why its Pharma is because Pharma's consciousness is fused with his due to that portal.

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:That’s correct. According to the Legends which we know is false. There was Primus. Primus split himself into 5 deities. Mortilus adaptus solimus epistemous and prime himself. But this isn’t true and like you said Cybertron is just a planet. It’s not the other fictions that have been established over 30 years that made Primus’s body.

You really need to knock it down a peg or 2 with the correcting everyone and basically trying to correct their hopes, it's gotten a bit too intrusive into conversations, especially those where people wish something could play out but aren't demanding it.

Also, while we have all the Gods and stuff be fake here, Vector Sigma itself is also an unknown quantity in a way, seeing as how Cyclonus referred to it as "he" after he interfaced with it and it is basically the one thing that hasn't been explained from the mythos, especially since the matrix through it revived Cybertron. So saying Rung and his regeneritive powers couldn't merge with it for some interesting results despite the fact that he can make Matrices and those have shown to interact with VS before is still a bit premature maybe

Oh excuse me for knowing the comics and their continuity and correcting and pointing out things people have mistaken and forgotten. Totally my bad for the knowing the comics. How dare I

Not knocking the knowledge, but rather the attitude like this. It makes discussing things a bit hard and not overly fun. You can be right, but others can also speculate on things that are yet to be proven right, or might not be completely as they are told without a matter-of-fact bomb

Again. William and I were thanked for for clearing and correcting that persons idea who said thank I missed something that’s pre-established.
Jesus man. Stop trying to act offended for someone else’s behalf.

Randomhero wrote:
Yeah that whole thing is wonky. Adaptus said they traveled into his mind. Okay? What does that mean? So skids and pharma headless body entered someone’s mind? What? Before he said that I just assumed Skids entered a portal to the Cybertrons under construction and his floating spark saw them not unlik how megatron would do in beast machines. That’s it! That makes more sense than two physical robots entering a mind. Especially with weird tentacles dragging pharma in

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:
Yeah that whole thing is wonky. Adaptus said they traveled into his mind. Okay? What does that mean? So skids and pharma headless body entered someone’s mind? What? Before he said that I just assumed Skids entered a portal to the Cybertrons under construction and his floating spark saw them not unlik how megatron would do in beast machines. That’s it! That makes more sense than two physical robots entering a mind. Especially with weird tentacles dragging pharma in

Aw man, I don have issue 22 on hand but I remember a specific line about him trying to get something but he got pharma instead. I dont know if his initial target is something we should have guessed or known by now.

And yeah, I do think they physically travelled into his conscousness. We were seeing his vision of the cybertrons and he was speaking through his mind with the symbols.

And Adaptus does have a body, we see it in shadow. He just asks his minions to build him a new one since the pharma personality/consciousness is taking over.

Oh and is anyone annoyed that the artists keep forgetting to add that screwhole on Tyrest's forehead. It was a pretty iconic scene and since he's back no one has kept that detail.

william-james88 wrote:I dont know if his initial target is something we should have guessed or known by now.

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I dont know if his initial target is something we should have guessed or known by now.

Wasn't he trying to grab Skids?

Lore Keeper wrote:I think the lack of a hole in his head ties into the mention that Adaptus had fixed his mind or something to that effect. I just took it as part of that repair process because, again going from faint memory, drilling that hole in his head is mainly what drove Tyrest insane.

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I dont know if his initial target is something we should have guessed or known by now.

Wasn't he trying to grab Skids?

Sagitta wrote:I never did like some of Robert's social commentaries. Felt they was rather out of place within a Transformers comic to be honest. Not to mention a bit forced.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Randomhero wrote:The only real question I have is: he creates matrices, how did the matrix reformat Cybertron back in chaos?

Although, if Rung/Primus could make the Matrix, and could make more, how it revitalized Cybertron would be an interesting question.

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ScottyP wrote:Called that part.

Not that a correct prediction deserves anything at this point with all the threads coalescing, just enjoying this one moment of correctitude after years of being totally wrong

Also, Cerebros looks like a total boss.

Randomhero wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Called that part.

Not that a correct prediction deserves anything at this point with all the threads coalescing, just enjoying this one moment of correctitude after years of being totally wrong

Also, Cerebros looks like a total boss.

Been waiting for them to show up. Now it feels like the end

Btw was that you on the new moonbase retro review this week

ScottyP wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Called that part.

Not that a correct prediction deserves anything at this point with all the threads coalescing, just enjoying this one moment of correctitude after years of being totally wrong

Also, Cerebros looks like a total boss.

Been waiting for them to show up. Now it feels like the end

Btw was that you on the new moonbase retro review this week

Yep! Was invited on and gladly accepted, was a very fun recording to do. Actually liking most of AHM helped. I forgot to tell my Andy Schmidt story, will have to do that on a Twincast sometime (it only works in audio, if typed out it's just not very fun!)

For others reading these posts that don't know what we're talking about: https://moonbase2.libsyn.com/moonbase-2 ... ive-part-2

Flashwave wrote:Oh MY DEAR GOLLY GOD They are gonna conk "Primus" on the back of the head and induce Transformation straight out of the MTMTE comic with a drunk Ultra Magnus... Barber has this story more interconnected than the MCU and I love it, but God is that man a scary master manipulator

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:There be the Max and crew! Glad they are up right off the bat this issue.

I wonder what they'll do if they really can't overload Cybertron through the Hot Spots?

More importantly, what if Rung can't make any more matrices, and that's why he looks concerned at the final panel there on 2?

Also, what does he mean speaking to Domey and Rewind?

Flashwave wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:There be the Max and crew! Glad they are up right off the bat this issue.

I wonder what they'll do if they really can't overload Cybertron through the Hot Spots?

More importantly, what if Rung can't make any more matrices, and that's why he looks concerned at the final panel there on 2?

Also, what does he mean speaking to Domey and Rewind?

Back at the beginning, Rewind an Chromedome had some issues. Rewind1 didn't like Chromedome doing Memnosurguery. DOme promised to stop, but then did it again on Overlord and I think when he did it to Prowl that was after the promise. Meanwhile, Rewind was buying War Snuff films trying to find Dominus Ambus in case a Con recorded him dieing, because even though he was with Chrome, he still had a candle. Then the Lost Light takes off, splices itself Quantumly and duplicates everyone The first Rewind dies when Overlord escapes being Keelhauled on the Lost Light (long story). The second Rewind is forced to watch the DJD kill the Quantim clone of the Lost Light Crew. Both re carrying guilt for surving the clone of the other's.

Then, at the end, we see on Medieri, Chromedome is with A Rewind and A Rewind is with DOminus Ambus, but 1 of the Rewinds and DOminus is an illusion, which raises the question of which of his loves did Rewind go with?

ScottyP, Va'al, did I miss anything important in that summary?

By the way, I just noticed that in Rung's office he has models... of Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod, but done up in the same style as his ship models. WHat does that mean whrn God has a toy model of YOU?