Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2

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One of These Things Is Not Like The Other: Part 2 (of 2)
A review of IDW's latest Visionaries comic, Transformers vs Visionaries #2

Very Spoiler Filled - You Have Been Warned!
Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
Featuring Burt Reynolds, She-Ra, and Willie Nelson (I wish)

Two comics arrive from IDW Publishing this week that feature Transformers, in the form of Transformers vs. Visionaries #2, which is the topic of this review, and Scarlett's Strike Force #2. These reviews will both be pretty spoiler heavy, as this is meant to assist with comparisons and contrasts with the other book whose review is meant to be read before or after this as a companion piece. You can find that review, for the lastest chapter of Scarlett's Strike Force by clicking or tapping on over to this link.

I found myself quite enjoying one of this week's entries in the IDW Hasbro Universe, and really not enjoying the other at all. Which will Transformers vs. Visionaries #2 be? Read on to find out! Or if you read these in Part 1, Part 2 order, you already know!

Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
Number of Autobots with emergency vehicle alt modes that are called: 0

This is one ridiculous, completely unbelievable, out of this world comic. There are magical aliens with a portion of their planet trapped on Cybertron, which is itself a planet of sentient, giant robots. There are light totems fighting other light totems, holograms, magicians, and even a villain character that somehow has that trendy but ugly Skrillex haircut where half of someone's head is buzzed down with like a #2 clipper but then the rest is really long and they comb it over and look, very very few people can pull that off without looking strung out so let's stop that. There are only 20 pages, so you're probably thinking there's no way that could all work together in a coherent, meaningful way. If so, you'd be right - like this opening paragraph, this comic just isn't very good.

Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
Like when Budiansky did it except not because it's really poorly executed

Character moments are important. These need to exist in stories like this. Roll-call moments are a nice way to do this, and with a cast that isn't tremendously large there should be opportunity to present some establishing lines that give the Spectral Knights unity but also some individuality. Leoric aside, this opportunity isn't really taken. Sure, Witterquick is fast, but that's sort of implied by his name. Arzon says things, sure, but none of it feels like anything uniquely his to say. Galadria makes some wooden point/counter-point retorts. I don't feel like I know anything about these characters, while over in Scarlett's Strike Force #2 a similarly unfamiliar (to me) pair in Raptor and Croc Master were introduced who ooze so much personality that I can already tell you which one is an accountant with opinions on the evolutionary path of avian species.

Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
Wheeljack should have already figured out this fruit-based vulnerability

That's really the crux of the problem with Transformers vs. Visionaries now that we're past the initial, questionable setup. Why are they here? I don't mean "why are they on Cybertron", as the story explains this, it's more of a question of why they're in this role at this time in this fictional universe. Borrowing now a bit from fellow comic reviewer/fellow site Administrator Va'al, Magdalene Visaggio, while not a bad writer, falls into the trap JJ Abrams did in Star Wars: The Force Awakens where the setting is just... the setting. New Prysmos is ultimately on Cybertron because someone in marketing and/or editorial said so, despite what the story tells you. That's not a good feeling to deliver to readers two books in to an attempt at re-launching a franchise which three people (not an exact figure) had any nostalgia for.

Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
"They tore the roof off!" - The Talent

Things just happen for no reason. It's great that we get to see some spectral totem animal fights - a dolphin with a unicorn horn fighting a gorilla is freaking awesome, but why not give a reason for why they use this ability beyond the already implied "because that's what they do"? Maybe Cybertron has some latent energy allowing this lost art (if it even was) to be used again or something like that. You can tell the pitch here was for a Visionaries story, and instead of taking the Transformers element and having fun with the toy box, it feels shuffled off to the side in what is I daresay an antagonistic manner.

Virulina thinks this is all stupid, so she wants to kill all the Cybertronians. This does not make her charming or compelling, it makes her a shallow caricature.

Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
It's not quite the G1 cartoon anymore though, is it? Maybe read some other Transformers material, yeah?

There's another comic out this week that isn't about Transformers which contains a Transformers character, that character being Skywarp. If you read that review first, you'll know that Skywarp is handled really well and brings something beyond the basics that's fun to read.

Transformers vs. Visionaries #2 continues to primarily feature Ironhide and Wheeljack for its cast of Cybertronians. Ironhide is one of the most well developed characters in IDW's Transformers lore, yet he continues to take more steps backwards towards the irrational Sunbow cartoon gunslinger in this issue. Wheeljack, who is known for his wit, irritability, and blazingly-fast science work in IDW, is presented as an entirely incompetent lab rat that "needs more time". IDW Wheeljack doesn't need more time, he needs you to shut up so he can do science faster and save Cybertron again. Someone please buy Visaggio an IDW Transformers back catalog. Please.

Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
Yeah ok, this in particular is pretty cool.

The art is perhaps the one thing saving this from complete irrelevancy. Fico Ossio does an outstanding job throughout with the humanoid characters, with the panel above of Leoric guaranteed to wash away any desire you had left to see the 80s cartoon Burt Reynolds looking version of the character. There's still a little I'd like to see out of his robotic output, mainly in the faces, but it reeks more of unfamiliarity than a lack of ability. The spectral totems look great, the environments look great, and the layouts are a treat while still being easy to follow. For what little story there is, Ossio does everything I can imagine to enhance it. The pairing of his lines with colors from David Garcia Cruz continues to be a natural fit, with things popping where they should and blending smoothly where they shouldn't. Shawn Lee's letters complement the action and never get in the way of the visual storytelling work done by the book's layouts.

There are three covers available for the issue, including the "A" cover by the Ossio/Garcia Cruz team which is seen in this news story's thumbnail. As always, you can find images of all of the covers and full credits for the issue in our Vector Sigma Database page for Transformers vs Visionaries #2, but do note it contains a character appearance list that may yield more spoilers!

Verdict
Transformers News: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2
At least this one isn't insulting?

Va'al's review of the first issue didn't yield a very high score, but it's about double what I would have given that issue. This is a little better because I can at least imagine some modicum of future potential after reading it. The book is nice to look - the art really is well done - but make no mistake, this is a Visionaries comic with Transformers used as seasoning, and sparingly. It seems like the creative team is disappointed that they have to play with other properties. At least that's what comes through on the page, because this story and its lack thereof continues to be high-level disappointment.

This is the series that should be ending after three issues.

. :KREMZEEK: and ½ out of :KREMZEEK: :KREMZEEK: :KREMZEEK: :KREMZEEK: :KREMZEEK:
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Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936454)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 7th, 2018 @ 8:58am CST
So this is my first time hearing about this series (I am out of the loop in IDWverse - clearly). So looking through this thread and the scans, well, things to say...

What have they done? These redesigns are absolutely horrendous. That's not Merklynn, it looks like his "edgy" punk nephew. Likewise Leoric didn't actually look like a damn lion :roll:
Why is Virulina, a sub-character at best, leader of the Darkling Lords? Where is Darkstorm, the only fleshed out and charismatic Darkling Lord?
Why does this book even exist?? If they wanted to revive Visionaries (for the 20 people out there who remember a cartoon that only lasted one season) just make a Visionaries mini-series. The editorial mandate of this crossover reeks of low level marketing. Trying to capitalize on the "Shared Universe" BS Marvel needed to sell C-List characters to a mainstream audience with the MCU.

The worst part was I actually liked Visionaries. The Original. The show, the toys (which I owed a fair few) etc This, like Bayformers, I will never endorse nor support in any way.

End Rant
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936456)
Posted by ScottyP on February 7th, 2018 @ 9:14am CST
You're not missing much :) This reeks of wasted potential and it makes me sad.

I think they had to scramble for an IP to replace Inhumanoids, which they were actually building to in GI Joe, Rom, and MASK post-Revolution, but we got this instead. There was close to 0 build to it despite what snarky wiki articles that have the benefit of hindsight will try to tell you. Way too early, needed a slow build instead of what they just dropped in on a dime.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936457)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 7th, 2018 @ 9:28am CST
ScottyP wrote:You're not missing much :) This reeks of wasted potential and it makes me sad.

I think they had to scramble for an IP to replace Inhumanoids, which they were actually building to in GI Joe, Rom, and MASK post-Revolution, but we got this instead. There was close to 0 build to it despite what snarky wiki articles that have the benefit of hindsight will try to tell you. Way too early, needed a slow build instead of what they just dropped in on a dime.



:shock: MASK is part of this as well??? :roll: Let me guess, T-Bob is Cybertronian now? :P
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936460)
Posted by ScottyP on February 7th, 2018 @ 9:51am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ScottyP wrote:You're not missing much :) This reeks of wasted potential and it makes me sad.

I think they had to scramble for an IP to replace Inhumanoids, which they were actually building to in GI Joe, Rom, and MASK post-Revolution, but we got this instead. There was close to 0 build to it despite what snarky wiki articles that have the benefit of hindsight will try to tell you. Way too early, needed a slow build instead of what they just dropped in on a dime.



:shock: MASK is part of this as well??? :roll: Let me guess, T-Bob is Cybertronian now? :P
Nah, IDW MASK actually has a cool premise. Be warned it's nothing like the original, but the short version:

  • Miles Mayhem, formerly of the Adventure Team (you know, with Joe Colton and Atomic Man and Stalker and Rocketman?), is some kind of military-industrial tycoon or something and wants to defend Earth from future attacks like Megatron's from All Hail Megatron.[/*:m]
  • When the opportunity arises, the EDC and Chinese Army capture Blitzwing in a battle (Transformers 54 I think? Somewhere in All Hail Optimus)[/*:m]
  • Mayhem tortures and dissects Blitzwing over time, studying the tech and using it to create the MASK vehicles[/*:m]
  • He then has Dr. Mindbender identify a bunch of candidates for MASK, so you get the intro of Matt Trakker, Bruno Sheppard, Gloria Baker, and so on[/*:m]
  • During Revolution they go fight as instructed, this leads to tensions between Trakker and Mayhem when Trakker realizes Cybertronians are more like people than machines, and eventually the MASK/VENOM split happens[/*:m][/list:u]

    Then things don't go well, the series has been canceled, and Matt Trakker is part of GI Joe now, still using the codename Spectrum. Miles Mayhem is in jail on Cybertron. None of the other characters were really all that interesting. It's too bad, it had potential! If you liked the old MASK, you might enjoy the Annual from last year, which is a retelling of the pilot episode "The Deathstone" using the current IDW Hasbroverse.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936462)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 7th, 2018 @ 10:01am CST
MASK, I actually didn't like prior. I like sci-fi, robots etc Earth Based vehicles, don't really do anything for me.

Honestly those highlights sound like almost as much of a complete suspension of disbelief as the Visionaries story above. A silly little human shouldn't be able to pose any threat whatsoever to a 50 foot alien robot. That's Bayformers BS :roll:

Do you remember when, throughout the -Ations, Simon Furman hammered home how Earth had no real significance to the Transformers at all. That it was just another battlefield, one of countless others? I do, those were good times...
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936466)
Posted by ScottyP on February 7th, 2018 @ 10:12am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you remember when, throughout the -Ations, Simon Furman hammered home how Earth had no real significance to the Transformers at all. That it was just another battlefield, one of countless others? I do, those were good times...
There are definitely characters still treating it that way, making for a good bit of tension in the current Optimus Prime series. OP wants to treat it as something special, while Camiens (such as Mistress of Flame, Victorion), Carcerians (such as Elita One, Obsidian, Strika) are more wary and will likely make some move against Prime at some point. Unless Onyx and Maximo and Unicron do first, but at any rate the seeds are there!

Doesn't sound like you're going to be into it either way, but if you liked Furman's stories you may want to look into recent Lost Light issues, which have picked up several plots that had been dropped for the AHM soft-reboot.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936468)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 7th, 2018 @ 10:18am CST
ScottyP wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you remember when, throughout the -Ations, Simon Furman hammered home how Earth had no real significance to the Transformers at all. That it was just another battlefield, one of countless others? I do, those were good times...
There are definitely characters still treating it that way, making for a good bit of tension in the current Optimus Prime series. OP wants to treat it as something special, while Camiens (such as Mistress of Flame, Victorion), Carcerians (such as Elita One, Obsidian, Strika) are more wary and will likely make some move against Prime at some point. Unless Onyx and Maximo and Unicron do first, but at any rate the seeds are there!

Doesn't sound like you're going to be into it either way, but if you liked Furman's stories you may want to look into recent Lost Light issues, which have picked up several plots that had been dropped for the AHM soft-reboot.


So, I tapped out of IDWverse with Death of Optimus Prime. So none of that made sense to me :lol:

Although I did see Unicron :BOOM: So they've finally done it, they brought him into IDW? No more palming off D-Void as the Real Thing. Can we forget about the entire Dead Universe/Heart of Darkness stuff now? Assuming Galvatron did resurface following CHAOS? Alongside Scourge and Cyclonus??
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936469)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 7th, 2018 @ 10:20am CST
Galvatron came back and was leader of the cons for a while after the dark cybertron event.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936470)
Posted by ScottyP on February 7th, 2018 @ 10:28am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Although I did see Unicron :BOOM: So they've finally done it, they brought him into IDW? No more palming off D-Void as the Real Thing. Can we forget about the entire Dead Universe/Heart of Darkness stuff now? Assuming Galvatron did resurface following CHAOS? Alongside Scourge and Cyclonus??
You mentioned suspension of disbelief before, and I feel like I need to find a gif of Max Landis right before he explains WWE's The Undertaker :lol: Anyhow, prepare that suspension of disbelief because out of context like this, it's about to take a beating: Scourge is real dead, as in "Whirl played around with his and/or The Sweeps' corpses" dead, but might also kind of be Slag now, kinda, but it's fuzzy and unlikely. Galvatron is Arcee's brother, a legendary conqueror, and also dead, having been decapitated above Jupiter by Optimus Prime. Cyclonus is traveling in space with Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, and many others, and is currently in mourning over the death of his boyfriend, Tailgate.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936479)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 7th, 2018 @ 11:04am CST
ScottyP wrote:You mentioned suspension of disbelief before, and I feel like I need to find a gif of Max Landis right before he explains WWE's The Undertaker :lol: Anyhow, prepare that suspension of disbelief because out of context like this, it's about to take a beating: Scourge is real dead, as in "Whirl played around with his and/or The Sweeps' corpses" dead, but might also kind of be Slag now, kinda, but it's fuzzy and unlikely. Galvatron is Arcee's brother, a legendary conqueror, and also dead, having been decapitated above Jupiter by Optimus Prime. Cyclonus is traveling in space with Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, and many others, and is currently in mourning over the death of his boyfriend, Tailgate.


Right, so not too long ago I heard about a TF book, that was along the same lines as DC & Marvel's Elseworlds/What If? imprint. Alternate reality tales. Now this has been done before (Hearts of Steel, I think it was called?)but this book in particular caught my attention. It focused on The Movie, my G1 anchor. So I read it.. and it came across as the most trite and bitter fan-fiction from a malcontent Fanboy. Still butthurt that their favourites died in The Movie. Everyone from the Movie cast was more or less purged in favour of the old has-beens. I actually threw the book away.

I bring this up, as this is the same gist I'm getting from what you're telling me here.

Galvatron, who even from previous IDW continuity, was established as being one of the most powerful Transformers, even without his Dead Universe powerset IE beyond Prime. DEAD

Scourge. Who ultimately did nothing but be a visual cameo. The Sweeps did more than he did. DEAD - worse still, off-panel.

Cyclonus. Not a Decepticon, alongside nonsensical "divide" from Galvatron in CHAOS, just because he was wanted solo in another book.

So the most iconic Trinity in TF no longer exists in IDWverse.

No Rodimus Prime. Although Hot Rod possessed the Matrix and it was even mentioned bonded with it in a greater way than Prime ever did.

Kup. Keeps dying.

Arcee. An interesting allegory for Transgender (before it was a buzzword). Now with no real ties to Hot Rod, Blurr or Springer. Now with added nonsense about being Galvatron's brother? "siblings" in Transformers share molds. Without insight into what Arcee looked like before Jhiaxus, it's an entirely pointless fact.

Springer. Awol since Last Stand of The Wreckers. Again with no ties to Hot Rod, Blurr and/or Arcee. Solid ties to Kup though.

Wheelie. Who cares :roll:

Blurr. No ties to any of the Movie cast.

You see my point. Meanwhile Prime and all of the other Fodder from The Movie continues to live and thrive in IDWverse... :roll:
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936498)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 7th, 2018 @ 12:06pm CST
Ahh you're talking about the what if issue where hot rod didn't jump in the way. Has anyone told you yet that megs is an autobot now and that Prowl was part of devestator?

To steal from the G2 comic a little,"IDW is not your father's G1" so don't treat as such and you'll be fine. It's better anyway then the old G1 in my opinion...though that gets tested when the editorial team do crossovers for the sake of launching a different franchise completely
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936523)
Posted by Sunstar on February 7th, 2018 @ 2:14pm CST
Deadput wrote:Man, I really do not like the Darkling guys, especially the chick she's just so smug and obnoxious, but not just her lines and character, the stupid poses she makes on covers and such just make me want to pop in the Hasbro verse and just punch her in her stupid mug...

But seriously screw Virulina and Wizard guy too.


Normally I can sympathise with the bad guys... Not here, and for the same reason. I just want to beat her smug expression off her ugly face. I dislike her personality, her smugness, her drawings, her - in general existence. Obnoxious is putting it gently.


As for this second book I am not impressed at all. I mean where are the transformers in this book? we get a couple (4) pages of them, a tiny smattering compared to the others. "Fleshy little Starscreams" I'm sorry but Starscream is nothing like them - Starscream actually did care for things.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936525)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 7th, 2018 @ 2:18pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Ahh you're talking about the what if issue where hot rod didn't jump in the way. Has anyone told you yet that megs is an autobot now and that Prowl was part of devestator?

To steal from the G2 comic a little,"IDW is not your father's G1" so don't treat as such and you'll be fine. It's better anyway then the old G1 in my opinion...though that gets tested when the editorial team do crossovers for the sake of launching a different franchise completely


See that doesn't bother me. When I really took interest in Transformers, Prowl was the bot with smoke coming out of his eyes on the Autobot Shuttle and Megatron was replaced by a far superior character.
The way I see it, The Movie moved the plot forward. IDWverse has, for the most part, sidelined the "Future" characters, while holding the rest of the series back with Prime, Thundercracker, Starscream etc as the lead characters.
In my view the most interesting thing Thundercracker ever did was become Scourge.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936557)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 7th, 2018 @ 3:52pm CST
I see your view now, I disagree with it but I understand better. As I said treat this as different from what you know, like beast wars etc. As for the focus? Well G1 nostalgia (remember season 3 and the rebirth are not remembered fondly for different reasons) is key, but overtime IDW has shown a willingness to change hence we have brand new characters taking centre stage like windblade, brand new takes on character's like starscream which evolve well beyond what G1 would of let them. You mention Thundercracker, well he's come a long way, playing a key role in several arcs.

For what it's worth though I would recommend More than meets the eye/lost light as hot rod takes center stage along with a host of other not well known characters and several new ones. It's also the series that most focused on autobot megatron, really delving into his mind set .
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936624)
Posted by Burn on February 7th, 2018 @ 10:03pm CST
So after raging like a fanboy over the first issue, I wasn't looking forward to reading the second issue.

How much more could they fuck up and make Transformers the back-up characters?

Well, they tried, they gave it a good go. A good portion of the book revolves around the Visionaries. In what came as absolutely no surprise whatsoever, they've already splintered. Good side who wants peace with the Cybertronians, and bad side who just want to wipe said giant robots from the planet.

I'm sure you can guess how the issue ends. Yeah ... the good Visionaries are now best buds with the Cybertronians and they're going to lead a joint effort to stop the naughty Visionaries! Honestly, when you strip it down, it's such a generic story line, and the characters aren't much better.

But hey, at least we got to see some Visionary on Visionary action, and no you pervs, not like that, I mean they fought and used their magical hologram thingies.

So yeah, not as fanboy rage inducing as the first issue. In fact, if you have trouble sleeping at night, this is the sort of thing that will help put you to sleep. It was generic, it's been done before, multiple times, it was just ... meh.

-edit-
I typed this after BEFORE reading ScottyP's review (I don't like to have things spoilt for me) and ... wow. We agree on a fair few points it seems. What does that say when people are agreeing with me?
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936677)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 8th, 2018 @ 4:56am CST
I think there's a proverb that goes like this:
"Agree with burn? Invest in a fallout shelter"
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936699)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 8th, 2018 @ 8:20am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I see your view now, I disagree with it but I understand better. As I said treat this as different from what you know, like beast wars etc. As for the focus? Well G1 nostalgia (remember season 3 and the rebirth are not remembered fondly for different reasons) is key, but overtime IDW has shown a willingness to change hence we have brand new characters taking centre stage like windblade, brand new takes on character's like starscream which evolve well beyond what G1 would of let them. You mention Thundercracker, well he's come a long way, playing a key role in several arcs.

For what it's worth though I would recommend More than meets the eye/lost light as hot rod takes center stage along with a host of other not well known characters and several new ones. It's also the series that most focused on autobot megatron, really delving into his mind set .


See the thing about G1, when you go back and re-watch it. Season one and two aren't great. Just the pilot alone, with Megatron cackling "excellent" over and over again like a mechanical Mr. Burns, is quite cringe inducing now. See at least in The Movie, Megatron is genuinely intimidating.

As I've said elsewhere, I never really paid all that much attention to the Pre-Movie seasons and so actually watched them properly when they were re-released on DVD about 15 years ago. For all the rose tinted nostalgia, Season 1 & 2 are aimless. Aside from the occasional cliffhanger there is no overall progressing narrative. The serialised nature of Season 3 however, is a noticeable improvement instantly. The Five Faces of Darkness was more engaging a story than any plot from before The Movie. True, Season 3 did also have the single worst episode of G1 ever ( B.O.T.) but no TF series has ever had all winning episodes IE BW 'The Low Road'. At the end of the day the people who didn't like Season 3 & 4 because "_____" wasn't in it, having died in the Movie, that comes down to fans unwilling to accept change,as opposed to any fault of the Seasons themselves.

The characters of Season 3 & 4 looked more like they are supposed to also. Futuristic alien robots, which is the entire point of Transformers. Countless writers and creators seem oblivious to the fact that the Cybertronians aren't just 'people in robot suits' they are a sentient alien race.
So they get dumbed down and humanised instead. A mark I actually hold against MTMTE and Lost Light, from what little I read in Phase Two. Vol.1 of the HC Collection. If you can't write about alien robots as alien robots, write a book about people instead.

Simon Furman gets these characters. The -Ations in particular parallels the alien nature of the Transformers with relateability, without retreading the characterisation of his previous G1 series.
Giving them understandable personalities without forcing human feelings and behaviors upon them. That's what the human supporting cast is for after all, not the Bots themselves.
His Hot Rod Spotlight perfectly encapsulated everything about his character, both as Hot Rod and the doubts that drove him as Rodimus Prime.
A good writer adapts their style to a pre-established series, they don't change a series to suit them. That is how you end up with the Costa run...

End of off topic Rant.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936748)
Posted by ScottyP on February 8th, 2018 @ 12:45pm CST
Burn wrote:
I typed this after BEFORE reading ScottyP's review (I don't like to have things spoilt for me) and ... wow. We agree on a fair few points it seems. What does that say when people are agreeing with me?
Greatness recognizes greatness, and like crappy comics, we are all shadowed by it. I think that's the 100% accurate version of that quote maybe.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936754)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 8th, 2018 @ 1:33pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I see your view now, I disagree with it but I understand better. As I said treat this as different from what you know, like beast wars etc. As for the focus? Well G1 nostalgia (remember season 3 and the rebirth are not remembered fondly for different reasons) is key, but overtime IDW has shown a willingness to change hence we have brand new characters taking centre stage like windblade, brand new takes on character's like starscream which evolve well beyond what G1 would of let them. You mention Thundercracker, well he's come a long way, playing a key role in several arcs.

For what it's worth though I would recommend More than meets the eye/lost light as hot rod takes center stage along with a host of other not well known characters and several new ones. It's also the series that most focused on autobot megatron, really delving into his mind set .


See the thing about G1, when you go back and re-watch it. Season one and two aren't great. Just the pilot alone, with Megatron cackling "excellent" over and over again like a mechanical Mr. Burns, is quite cringe inducing now. See at least in The Movie, Megatron is genuinely intimidating.

As I've said elsewhere, I never really paid all that much attention to the Pre-Movie seasons and so actually watched them properly when they were re-released on DVD about 15 years ago. For all the rose tinted nostalgia, Season 1 & 2 are aimless. Aside from the occasional cliffhanger there is no overall progressing narrative. The serialised nature of Season 3 however, is a noticeable improvement instantly. The Five Faces of Darkness was more engaging a story than any plot from before The Movie. True, Season 3 did also have the single worst episode of G1 ever ( B.O.T.) but no TF series has ever had all winning episodes IE BW 'The Low Road'. At the end of the day the people who didn't like Season 3 & 4 because "_____" wasn't in it, having died in the Movie, that comes down to fans unwilling to accept change,as opposed to any fault of the Seasons themselves.

The characters of Season 3 & 4 looked more like they are supposed to also. Futuristic alien robots, which is the entire point of Transformers. Countless writers and creators seem oblivious to the fact that the Cybertronians aren't just 'people in robot suits' they are a sentient alien race.
So they get dumbed down and humanised instead. A mark I actually hold against MTMTE and Lost Light, from what little I read in Phase Two. Vol.1 of the HC Collection. If you can't write about alien robots as alien robots, write a book about people instead.

Simon Furman gets these characters. The -Ations in particular parallels the alien nature of the Transformers with relateability, without retreading the characterisation of his previous G1 series.
Giving them understandable personalities without forcing human feelings and behaviors upon them. That's what the human supporting cast is for after all, not the Bots themselves.
His Hot Rod Spotlight perfectly encapsulated everything about his character, both as Hot Rod and the doubts that drove him as Rodimus Prime.
A good writer adapts their style to a pre-established series, they don't change a series to suit them. That is how you end up with the Costa run...

End of off topic Rant.

Actually season 3 had another contender for worse episode ever, carnage in c-minor.

Your point seems to boil down to that once something is set, that's the way it must stay. Also arguing about how fictional giant robots would behave (how do you know they wouldn't have interpersonal relationships and be capable of emotions?) Is probably a good sign that the debate has gone on long enough :-P

Personally I love this humanised take as you put it, it makes the characters feel developed, Furman was no stranger and he employed it frequently after all, and I'm sure he would be happy with the stuff that's been added to the IDW mythology (okay, not all of it, he'll have turned his nose up at tf v visionaries)

On topic, I feel like there's an injustice here that scarlet strike force is cancelled, till all are one was cancelled yet we get this in return?
Re: Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2 (1936763)
Posted by ScottyP on February 8th, 2018 @ 2:11pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:On topic, I feel like there's an injustice here that scarlet strike force is cancelled, till all are one was cancelled yet we get this in return?
Publicly available comic sales data is terrible. That said, for what is around, SSF 1 did less than 4,000 copies in numbers sold by Diamond in the US to comic shops. That's real low for a #1. Really, really low, even for IDW. I think that stinks but there's at least some truth to the numbers doing it in, with the rest filled in to some degree by controversy/marketing/whatnot. Just for comparison: OP and Lost Light, despite being (effectively) at issues 72/71 with all the attrition that comes along with it, are at around 6,000 copies (give or take a bit) each month.

TAAO is a weird case but I'd guess now that Scott stepped away once she saw the editorial concept for TF vs Visionaries, which led to that separate launch rather than it being an attempted jumpstart for TAAO's sales. This is speculation of the highest order, just to be clear!
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