Rumour MP-45 to be Bumblebee ver 2.0 with cartoon accurate alt mode?
Tuesday, February 5th, 2019 5:41AM CST
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The rumour states that the masterpiece following MP-44 will be none other than a new version of Bumblebee, with a robot mode closely resembling the G1 animation model and with an Alt mode to match the chibifed cartoon model which was done to match the original G1 toy.
The rumour also gives a run down on what he'll include and a Japanese price as well as his release date. These details are included in the original and subsequent posts. He also states that preorders will open on the twelfth of February. Apparently included is the figure itself, a Spike figure, two different faces, a gun effect part, a numberplate, seal and instructions.
Prehaps as proof to these claims, or as a reaction to the rumour, the TagHobby website created a listing for the figure, with matching details.
Here is what the listing says:
[BREAK NEWS]
TAKARATOMY於2019年9月推出變形金剛 MASTER PIECE系列 MP45 大黃蜂 Ver.2,暫時知道附有人偶Figure、武器及Effect部件,售價達日圓13,000(未含稅),會有什麼新玩法,留意我們日後報導。
TAGHOBBY get the updated news!! TAKARATOMY will release the TRANSFORMERS Master Piece Series MP45 Blublebee Ver.2.0 in Sep 2019. It include figure, weapon and effect part. We are very surprise for the price of ver.2.0 is 13,000Yen(Not included tax).
No source is given on the TagHobby site.
So again, it must be stressed that this is all rumours currently.
Till then why not have a look at Seibertron's own gallery of MP-21 Bumblebee to see the old version or check out a top 5 list of non-movie Bumblebee toys as compiled by several Seibertron.com users:
Transformers Masterpiece Bumblebee Gallery
Top Five Non-Movie Bumblebee Toys
What do you think of this? Would you pick up a new Bumblebee? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!
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Posted by Beachjezus on February 5th, 2019 @ 5:52am CST
It’s like Masterpiece has rebooted with insane prices. And your next masterpiece is New Seekers. Just my prediction.
Posted by Randomhero on February 5th, 2019 @ 5:58am CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 5th, 2019 @ 6:00am CST
Posted by Evil Eye on February 5th, 2019 @ 6:10am CST
I mean, I guess the actually good one will come down in price on the aftermarket, but I couldn't think of a less necessary "remake" in the MP line if I tried. The Seekers? Yeah, the current mold is awful, they deserve a remake (albeit not how they'll probably end up, costing £300 a piece and taking three years to transform for the sake of """"accuracy""""). Sideswipe? I guess, he was the first MP car bot I suppose, though without going on a long rant all he really needs is better ankle and elbow articulation (the latter could be accomplished with a very basic retool) and IMO he'd be fine, you can even finagle a decent ab crunch out of his transformation joint. But...Bumblebee? I mean, if him turning into a realistic VW Beetle as oppose to a penny racer really activates your almonds, I guess, but honestly I always thought the fact he goes from an accurate Beetle into a pretty spot-on G1 Bumblebee with minimal kibbly bits and a sensible transformation is a selling point in itself.
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 5th, 2019 @ 6:24am CST
Posted by angtre on February 5th, 2019 @ 6:36am CST
Still, a chibi Bumblebee might mean finally getting MP Cliffjumper.
Posted by ThunderThruster on February 5th, 2019 @ 6:40am CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 5th, 2019 @ 6:58am CST
Posted by Cyberpath on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:16am CST
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:19am CST
Sunstreaker and Sideswipe just look so perfect with each other. I love how they all look together. I guess a new MP Bee will be nice, but I'm trying to get the original, since I found the beautiful G2 version for 40$
Posted by no-one on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:28am CST
Posted by frogbat on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:30am CST
My main issue isn't the fact they're revisiting bumblebee, it's more that I'd rather have them finish the season 1 and two characters off or if they have to re visit a character, they should pick the seekers.
Posted by Randomhero on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:31am CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:I legitimately feel bad for mp collectors; the line (once meant to be coherent) has been pseudo rebooted so many times, having the cast even look like they belong together is now impossible
It is a choice to buy this stuff. No one forced anyone to replace anything. Even after 13 years some
People still prefer classics Prime over all the other GHUG iterations and there are plenty who still prefer MP-01 over MP-10 and MP-44.
Don’t feel bad for grown adults who have enough expendable income who continue to buy toys
Posted by BW Megatron on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:35am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 7:42am CST
Seriously, to the G1 Collectors out there you have my sympathy. You're never getting beyond Season One in the Masterpiece Collection, not through Takara anyway.
Posted by ScottyP on February 5th, 2019 @ 8:03am CST
Worth noting that if this info is true, MP-45 would be almost double the price of those unlicensed options at MSRP so surely the parts count would allow for some magic even with penny car proportions.
That's what I'd like to know! At this point he's become Mirage.BW Megatron wrote:What happened to Masterpiece Hound? Did Takara forget about it?
Posted by no-one on February 5th, 2019 @ 8:12am CST
Toyworld pulled it off really well with their TW-03 BII and is a figure I've always wanted.ScottyP wrote:Sounds fun, I hope they get the engineering right. That "penny car" look into a somewhat normally proportioned robot can be tricky. I have two third party "MP" Cliffjumpers that drive this design concern. The first one I got was the MMC Ocular Max version which goes for the super deformed, tiny car look. It's not a mess to transform and the lack of a backpack is wonderful, but the rest of the resulting robot cuts a really odd looking silhouette. It was so bad I ended up getting the X-Transbots version which apes a good bit from MP-21 in the looks department - backpack and all - and it's spectacular.
So I have high hopes for what Takara can do.
Well if the rumor is true, Bee will come with parts and accessories to pull off every one-off scene and a cartoon accurate Daniel/Spike.Worth noting that if this info is true, MP-45 would be almost double the price of those unlicensed options at MSRP so surely the parts count would allow for some magic even with penny car proportions.
Posted by Glarryg on February 5th, 2019 @ 8:22am CST
Ultimately, though...
Randomhero wrote:Don’t feel bad for grown adults who have enough expendable income who continue to buy toys
... we make our voices heard through our wallets.
Glarryg
Posted by Mirimus on February 5th, 2019 @ 8:33am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 8:45am CST
Mirimus wrote:I've been edging away from masterpiece ever since the first rumblings of Prime v.3, but if this turns out to be true, I really will be done.
I keep my eye out for MP Galvatron (someday) other than that, I just stick to the Beast Wars MP line. I don't think the rest of the line is worth it anymore. In as much as I collect lines that end, the G1 line most likely never will now. Which is pathetic, in and of itself.
Posted by WeatherManNX01 on February 5th, 2019 @ 8:51am CST
If this continues, I would not be surprised to see an updated seeker lineup and Bluestreak/Smokescreen/Prowl.
Personally, I liked what we had been getting with a blend between real and cartoon, and the price of Prime 3.0 and the rumored price of Bumblebee 2 are a real turnoff and make this line even more difficult to collect.
Posted by Ominous Sand on February 5th, 2019 @ 9:33am CST
Posted by sol magnus on February 5th, 2019 @ 9:39am CST
mentre83 wrote:I'm not into cartoon-accurate toys very much, as I prefer the additional detail of the first MPs. So for me, should this rumor be true, this is a "no".
Still, a chibi Bumblebee might mean finally getting MP Cliffjumper.
To me, this is the big takeaway. I wouldn't start thinking they're gonna re-do all the Masterpiece figures to totally match the cartoon, but getting the license from Porsche to do a Cliffjumper is probably never going to happen. Chibi "kinda-Porsche" might be the way to go.
I do think Jazz is a slightly different case, but the ownership of Porsche/Audi/Volkswagen is a tangled mess, thus causing us to not have a Jazz by now.
I'm guess the higher price is due to more parts to make it work (assuming it's not just a rumor, of course).
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 9:45am CST
Posted by xMXUx on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:00am CST
BW Megatron wrote:What happened to Masterpiece Hound? Did Takara forget about it?
With them having announced and showed of Hound a few times before, I highly doubt that this rumored Bumblebee will be MP-45. Depending on how this new Bee would look (IF he's real), I might jump on it, since I'm a sucker for the cartoon aesthetic. But I do also like the licensed alt modes, so it really depends on the end result
Posted by sol magnus on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:21am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The flaw in this trail of thought though, is the idea that licensing is the reason they are doing this. There are plenty of characters they could do without the need for licenses EG The Dinobots, The Insecticons, Reflector, Perceptor, Blaster ANYONE post-Movie. They simply don't care and this just gives them an excuse to reproduce the same characters they have already done with no further effort on their part at all. Likewise some fans don't care either and willing buy into this knowing they are being fleeced.
Why is that a flaw? While I certainly would welcome any of the post movie crew for my collection, the pre-86 cars were all "real vehicles" that the automakers should certainly be expected to want their cut of whatever marketing efforts are out there. Saying they "don't care" doesn't hold water since they made Ultra Magnus, Hot Rod, Star Saber and Shockwave in the midst of all the licensed vehicular mode Autobots. I can't agree that they "don't care" when the quality and engineering of the toys are superb and they exhibit slavish devotion to a 34 year old cartoon. They might be accused of caring too much.
I do agree that they could certainly stand to make some of the guys you mention, but that's not going to stop me from wanting a full set of 84-85 cast members (like Blaster, who they've technically made one of the cassettes of). If they go this route with Bumblebee, it could extend to Cliffjumper and really, the rest of the mini-bots who won't have to bear the excess overhead in terms of licensing agreements.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:34am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:39am CST
Ultra Magnus was the "second" figure in the MP line. MP-22 exists because of that. A logical upgrade, from palette swap to legitimate release.
Star Saber was a fan poll. Not down to initiative from Takara
Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime are a lone anomaly within this line.
Shockwave in the midst of all the licensed vehicular mode Autobots.
Huh?? This line isn't all generic car bots though. The goal was to replicate the seasons of the show. A large chunk of the season one and two Decepticons will not be made within this line, as they are combiner teams. Shockwave was part of the very limited roster of early Decepticons that are not Gestalt. Apart from the fact Shockwave is a Gun Bot like Megatron, with a lot of the same functioning design to his mold. Not quite as blatant a palette swap as the Seekers but the same engineering was at play.
There has been only one Dinobot in ten years. All of the others would be smaller and cheaper to produce. They chose not to. They continue to do so, and keep this G1 side of the MP line stuck in indefinite limbo. Hiding behind licensing "barriers".
Posted by william-james88 on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:39am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:So many G1 characters, so many movie characters, and here I am just waiting for Masterpiece Terrorsaur.
You and me both.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:40am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:So many G1 characters, so many movie characters, and here I am just waiting for Masterpiece Terrorsaur.
We are more likely to see that then anyone from Season Two of Sunbow
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:45am CST
william-james88 wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:So many G1 characters, so many movie characters, and here I am just waiting for Masterpiece Terrorsaur.
You and me both.
The Beast Wars MP Line is six figures strong. 4 of 14 of the season one cast. Roughly 30% complete within 3 years, plus two redecos. The grass is definitely greener for the BW fanbase.
Posted by sol magnus on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:46am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's a flaw because they are only doing this to benefit themselves. Sunbow Masterpiece figures will be cheaper to design and produce with people blindly lapping them up for whatever prices they choose. Win-win for them.
Ultra Magnus was the "second" figure in the MP line. MP-22 exists because of that. A logical upgrade, from palette swap to legitimate release.
Star Saber was a fan poll. Not down to initiative from Takara
Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime are a lone anomaly within this line.Shockwave in the midst of all the licensed vehicular mode Autobots.
Huh?? This line isn't all generic car bots though. The goal was to replicate the seasons of the show. A large chunk of the season one and two Decepticons will not be made within this line, as they are combiner teams. Shockwave was part of the very limited roster of early Decepticons that are not Gestalt. Apart from the fact Shockwave is a Gun Bot like Megatron, with a lot of the same functioning design to his mold. Not quite as blatant a palette swap as the Seekers but the same engineering was at play.
There has been only one Dinobot in ten years. All of the others would be smaller and cheaper to produce. They chose not to. They continue to do so, and keep this G1 side of the MP line stuck in indefinite limbo. Hiding behind licensing "barriers".
Where's the proof of your assertion? Just that the figures aren't made? It seems you are more just kind of angry at Hasbro/Takara than basing your argument on anything that has been said by them. Again, as a fan, I do agree with you on figure selection to a degree. The MP+ stuff has slowed the line down to a large degree, and rabid Gee-Wun person I am, I still don't want to re-purchase figures I already bought. Much rather buy new ones (even if my shelf cries out for me to stop). Your point about one Dinobot, though - because he's not scale, Grimlock would likely need to get remade, anyway at this point.
I still think this is probably the way we end up with the mini-bots many of us have been waiting for. And maybe even Mirage and Trailbreaker / Hoist. We'll see, I guess.
Shockwave has nothing engineering-wise in common with Megatron. Do you have the figures, because I do, and I don't see that at all. Gun =/= Gun.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:So many G1 characters, so many movie characters, and here I am just waiting for Masterpiece Terrorsaur.
We are more likely to see that then anyone from Season Two of Sunbow
Season Two of Sunbow -
Autobots - Red Alert, Smokescreen, Tracks, Grapple, Inferno (no Skids, no Hoist, no mini-bots, no Blaster, no Omega Supreme)
Decepticons - Thrust, Dirge, Ramjet (no Astrotrain, Blitzwing)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 10:48am CST
sol magnus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:So many G1 characters, so many movie characters, and here I am just waiting for Masterpiece Terrorsaur.
We are more likely to see that then anyone from [Beyond] Season Two of Sunbow
Season Two of Sunbow -
Autobots - Red Alert, Smokescreen, Tracks, Grapple, Inferno (no Skids, no Hoist, no mini-bots, no Blaster, no Omega Supreme)
Decepticons - Thrust, Dirge, Ramjet (no Astrotrain, Blitzwing)
EDIT!
Apologies, typos and all that.
Posted by Immortal Starscream on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:05pm CST
Posted by Bucky on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:08pm CST
I’m not even going to get into just how ridiculous these increasing prices are. I already cancelled my MP BW Megatron, because there’s just no way I’m going to be able to afford it, no matter how much I want it. And I don’t even know how much Hound is going to wind up costing.
Posted by Sabrblade on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:13pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:28pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:33pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:So many G1 characters, so many movie characters, and here I am just waiting for Masterpiece Terrorsaur.
You and me both.
The Beast Wars MP Line is six figures strong. 4 of 14 of the season one cast. Roughly 30% complete within 3 years, plus two redecos. The grass is definitely greener for the BW fanbase.
Arent we much higher than that for the ark crew and initial decepticons from season 1 of G1? The only missing decepticon is reflector.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:37pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:48pm CST
I neglected to think of the Bumblebee Movie tie in aspect, that's a good point
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on February 5th, 2019 @ 12:59pm CST
Posted by Cobotron on February 5th, 2019 @ 1:06pm CST
I'm also not mad at a toy company for making toys.
This has me wondering, if this and 44 were to mark a major shift in the direction for the line, would it then make all the + versions null and void? Including the soon to release Wheeljack+. Would all those characters get a reduex too?
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 5th, 2019 @ 1:40pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 1:56pm CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I really hope this is false. There's so many other characters that deserve a shot. Bumblebee has a great toy already. I mean seriously, after that overpriced Prime 3.0 this is getting ridiculous. Well, might be, if it turns out to be true. Gimme Hound!
Personally I have no horse in this race, so what Takara is doing here in general, doesn't concern me in the slightest. However, as I mentioned earlier and in the General MP thread, I do only feel genuine sympathy for those fans waiting patiently for their character to make it into this line. As the MP+ concept is essentially a reset button for the G1 MP collection.
I only support the Beast Wars MP line, which is all I'm interested in. There won't be any other versions of most of those characters because they are already designed around the show model, with added detail. As for prices, BW Megs is expensive but he is the ceiling in scale. No one is bigger in Season One. So I don't mind buying one figure at that price. Everyone else scales down significantly until Rattrap and Blackarachnia at the bottom end.
Season Two on the other hand, would be pretty pricey in terms of escalation. Primal and Megatron loom in scale over Season One Megs and Rampage even higher over them. But Transmetals are a distant pipe dream, much like MP Galvatron.
Posted by Randomhero on February 5th, 2019 @ 3:23pm CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I really hope this is false. There's so many other characters that deserve a shot. Bumblebee has a great toy already. I mean seriously, after that overpriced Prime 3.0 this is getting ridiculous. Well, might be, if it turns out to be true. Gimme Hound!
It’s all about licensing. That’s the thing to remember. They can’t just make any character that has a licensed alt mode. They have to pay to use that car model. Right now Takara/Hasbro has it made with Volkswagen-which to me- is a blessing considering over 5 years ago VW refused to touch transformers.
Honestly let them. It’s not like he’s the final MP. The same complaints have been going on for years now “why arnt they doing this? Why won’t they do that!?”
Just chill out
Nobody here can seriously say this is the first time they haven’t made these posts about why arnt they doing other characters.
Posted by Emerje on February 5th, 2019 @ 4:43pm CST
Spike mentioned in there is a little strange since we're already getting the best version we can from MP-44. Perhaps they're taking another stab at the exosuit? Or maybe a slightly larger figure to be better in scale with the other figures in bot mode? If they include, say, a 3" fully articulated figure then I could understand the higher price.
Also, Wonder Festival 2019 Winter is this weekend (2/10) in Japan so if the rumors are true and pre-orders start in one week then we'll definitely see Bee there.
Emerje
Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 5th, 2019 @ 5:12pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 5th, 2019 @ 5:17pm CST
Emerje wrote: If they started with Cliffjumper we'd then have people complaining that Bumblebee wasn't first so there's really no way for Takara Tomy to win
But would they complain? Forgetting the timing to parallel with the release of the Movie in Japan, A MP Bumblebee already exists. So I think fans would have been overwhelming positive in welcoming a MP Cliffjumper to the line, over a 2.0.
Posted by Emerje on February 5th, 2019 @ 5:48pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Emerje wrote: If they started with Cliffjumper we'd then have people complaining that Bumblebee wasn't first so there's really no way for Takara Tomy to win
But would they complain? Forgetting the timing to parallel with the release of the Movie in Japan, A MP Bumblebee already exists. So I think fans would have been overwhelming positive in welcoming a MP Cliffjumper to the line, over a 2.0.
No, people would complain that it didn't match with existing fellow Mini-Bot Bumblebee's realistic alt mode. It makes more sense to start over than to do other guys like Cliffjumper first and leave their star character as the odd one out with his realistic alt mode and (compact) bot kibble. The only way doing CJ first would have worked would have been if they announced both at the same time and released CJ first.
Emerje
Posted by sol magnus on February 5th, 2019 @ 5:48pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Emerje wrote: If they started with Cliffjumper we'd then have people complaining that Bumblebee wasn't first so there's really no way for Takara Tomy to win
But would they complain? Forgetting the timing to parallel with the release of the Movie in Japan, A MP Bumblebee already exists. So I think fans would have been overwhelming positive in welcoming a MP Cliffjumper to the line, over a 2.0.
Somebody *definitely plural* would complain. Especially on the internet. Probably in this forum. On this thread.