Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So that Skar's a 6th Dinobot? Damn, so much for my hope that was gonna be re-do or 2-pack rerelease of Doubledealer's partners lol. Also, who not do Scorn? Oh well.

Because by doing Skar, who I've been told turns into an ankylosaurus, and making the torso out of Slug and Sludge as we've seen, they've now set themselves up with the necessary molds to repaint/retool this set of Core Dinos into the Dinoking crew. None of the Dinoking components turned into spinos like Scorn, but they did have an ankylosaurus.

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

Bounti76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

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Emerje wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Next up is Needlenose, personally speaking I think the aesthetics on the CW version look better than this new version. I also think the timing if comical because I was just speaking about a potential Aerialbots redux and this bot certainly looks the part for reuse there.

Isn't his transformation upside down from the Aerialbots? Plus I don't think his wings can fold.

The CW Needlenose is a straight re-deco of Deluxe Class CW Firefly and that is exactly why I passed on him, wasn't impressive at all.

This new needlenose looks almost exact to his G1 counterpart.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Needlenose_(G1)

Ill take something original instead of a straight repaint anyday.

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

SpaceEagle wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though.

Given how much this Hot Shot wrung out of the Deluxe budget as it is, it's probably for the best they didn't try to force Jolt as part of him. I think we are likely to see Jolt as part of a pack of some sort (most likely an SSROTF Arcee-type deal), especially with them having gone to the trouble of that Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers.

Will, regarding Dinoking... I think we do stand a decent chance of them actually going there this time. Doing Dinoking from the PotP Dinobot molds had PotP's truncation, the PotP molds (being four Deluxes and a Voyager) making for a costlier set, and people's dissatisfaction with CW Liokaiser working against it. This time around we're working with a fresher start, more momentum, and cheaper figures.

Sculyblast wrote:I am looking forward to the nemisis recolor.

"A redeco of Lio Convoy, Black Lio Convoy sports the now-familiar black, silver, and teal color scheme which was later used for Robots in Disguise Scourge, Alternators Nemesis Prime and many, many other "evil" Optimus Primes. There is also a variant of this toy that comes with gold claws, which is harder to find than the normal version.Black Lio Convoy was a Toys"R"Us exclusive and came in a Lio Convoy box with a sticker indicating that it was "Black Lio Convoy". A special Lucky Draw version limited to 10 pieces was also released through Comic Bom Bom, which featured "BL-00" painted in white on his robo-butt.This toy is also used to represent the separate character of Black Lio Convoy..."

MCutter wrote:Has anyone pointed out Chopshop flying in among the Insecticon swarm? I'm guessing he'll be part of the next Buzzworthy 'across' four-pack.