Studio Series 86 Core Class Wheelie and Ratchet Found at US Retail + Barcodes

Sabrblade wrote:I've been a kid who buys and plays with Transformers for DECADES!

Me too! A wise man once said we don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing!

william-james88 wrote:I have no clue why people buying toys in a kids toy aisle strive so much to think that they are the main consumers, how does that matter in your life?

I just don't quite get their marketing. And it's not just TFs; Power Rangers Lightning collection also makes me scratch my head a bit. If I were a kid would I want characters from the franchise 20 years ago? I was a snob as a kid, so it wouldn't be for me. I find it hard to imagine a kid would really want Rodimus Prime all that much. So I'm trying to get how this works for Hasbro.

But if it's marketing to the parents, that's still targeting adults more than kids even if it's not "collectors".

It doesn't matter to my sense of self if the toys are aimed at me.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I've been a kid who buys and plays with Transformers for DECADES!

Me too! A wise man once said we don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing!

Great words indeed!

Nemesis Destron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I've been a kid who buys and plays with Transformers for DECADES!

Me too! A wise man once said we don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing!

Great words indeed!

A wise T-shirt once said, "Growing old is mandatory, growing up in optional."

And in the words of Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable, "We're all someone's child."

william-james88 wrote:Thanks to this Twitter post, we have news that the third wave of Transformers Studio Series core class figures have been found in the US. That includes Wheelie and Ratchet. If anyone is wondering, the only new core class figure in wave 2 was Exosuit Spike and in wave 4 we will have the DOTM Laserbeak (Bumblebee predeco toy) and SS86 Rumble (blue). The toys were found in a Target in Idaho but other subsequent sightings have popped up over the US, like in California. AHM Joy is the person who posted this sighting on Twitter.

Always bugs me when another part of the country is two waves ahead of my neck of the woods. Makes me think my area is going to end up skipping an entire wave, which has happened more than I would have thought possible in the last decade.

Of course, once I break down and buy something online, that's when it shows up in my city.

Glarryg

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I may have an unpopular opinion, but all that clear plastics everywhere worries me. Especially so many JOINTS are clear. Plus that clear plastic painted red over just won't color match anything.

There should have been NO clear parts at all with the windows painted a kind of blue instead. It would have been even more "cartoon accurate" and it would have been more solid.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people who speak in favor of translucent windows wouldn't do so as much if the original Diaclone molds had had opaque windows from the get-go instead.

For Ironhide and Ratchet, no "Diaclone" arguments hold any grounds for some... Obvious reasons.



Regardless, I non-ironically want an updated version of that exact toy. Roof-sled, goblin proportions, head behind the windsheild, and all that jazz. Add improved articulations and BAM! Truly "Diaclone" Ratchet/Ironhide!

Ratchet was my first and I chose becuase I saw it as getting 2 for 1, I like the fact that people want to have this design, and I’m sure there is an updated design with the windsheild in this position that looks good

william-james88 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I just think collectors weigh-in more than they'll admit (or know).

They don't. And we all have the evidence staring at us in the face whenever anyone complains about shelfwarming. If collectors were buying up all the figures from generations and studio series, then we wouldn't see them much in stores, they would sell out. But they don't.
You can prove me wrong and buy every SS figure you see if you want.

Will, I hope you know I respect you and your opinions.
But this point in your example doesn't even make sense.

Here's what you're not considering--
Even though there are obviously exponentially fewer collectors than other consumers combined, that still doesn't mean that of the TF figures that actually sell, that only 30% of those purchases were made by collectors.
In fact in a lot of cases, I'd say it's the complete opposite.
While I truly believe this applies to any character of any class, here are a couple examples:

If there are 10 SS86 Starscreams at my Target (which there still are ), and 3 of them sell, I'm willing to bet that 2 if not all 3 of those purchases were made by collectors.
7 being left on the shelf doesn't mean collectors didn't buy, or that not enough collectors bought the figure; it most likely means that no one from any other consumer group was willing to bite. It also points to the idea that Coronation Starscream really is more aimed at collectors period.
Sometimes I think collectors tend to forget that the average adult doesn't know much if anything about TF. Even those who enjoyed the live action movies, that doesn't mean much, let alone that they'll go out and want to spend money on related products/merchandise.
Kids today would know even less (if anything) about the realm of Transformers.
Believe it or not, not all kids watch the movies or whatever Cyberverse cartoon has been on tv.

My other example is based on figures such as Blaster, Wreck-gar, Scourge, and well, any of them.
Soundwave, Cosmos, Galvatron...
Collector: "Finally, a good update of Blaster!!"
Average adult: "Why would a robot turn into a boombox?"
Kid: "What's a 'boombox', and why would I play with this?"
Everyone: "Why is this $33??"

The average kid, even kids my sons ages (teens an pre-teens) would look at those alt modes and be puzzled. Not at what they are, but the why of them. And sure, people who really know these characters could explain the "why" behind them.
But it's really fair to ask questions like, "Why would a robot turn into a radio?... Is there one that's a robo-room vacuum like the one we have at home?"
"That's supposed to be a spaceship?"
"Why would a motorcycle have bumps on the tires, and why is it those ugly earth tone colors?"
"Who is Spike Witwicky, and what the hell is an exo-suit?"

Last year when I finally got Red Alert, my younger son thought it was hilariously dumb to think a fire department would have a Lambo.
So even with characters that transform into vehicles...
"What's the point of a robot turning into a tiny semi-truck that doesn't have a trailer?"

I mean, here there are adults over-analyzing the height of this new Ironhide, and the appearance of the van mode.
But consider what the average kid would think about this figure...
"So this robot turns into a weird red van... Cool, dad... Does he have 3 robot kids and go to the grocery store every week?".

The point of this being, collectors enjoy, and maybe love and obsess over this stuff without even thinking.
Anyone and everyone else most likely doesn't... At all.
So to think it's that common these days (or ever) for a kid or parent to walk into a store and feel a pull to spend $24, $32, $54, or even $12 on a toy they have little to no knowledge, association, or like of/for... Being a parent, in the middle-class Midwest, I just don't believe this is the norm anywhere.

Then it has to be considered that it's usually collectors that buy multiples and army build...
Does anyone really think that an average kid or adult buys two of the same TF figure so they can have 1 in bot mode and 1 in alt mode? Or that anyone outside of collecting would buy a toy and keep it sealed?
How many kids or adults thought it was at all necessary or relevant to buy a Scourge and 2-3 Sweeps?
I bought 5 Sharkticons... You think the average kid or adult would even think to do that? To spend > $130 to have 5 of the same figure?

So while obviously I can't put a concrete ratio or percentage on it, a single collector is spending exponentially more than multiple kids and parents combined.
Here I'm planning on buying 2 of each of the Legacy Stunticons, and two each of the SS86 Dinobots... At $50+ each, how many average kids will end up getting more than 1 of these 5 Dinobots? Or one of them at all??


The other point is that collectors have had a heavy influence on the direction of the Generation and SS TF toys.
The huge push to continue making figures of characters from G1 AND the priority of cartoon-model accuracy isn't for kids.
Without adult insight/influence, kids (even younger kids 7-9) who have seen the live action movies wouldn't be able to recognize most (not all, but most) of those characters in their G1 forms, let alone any characters who aren't in those movies... If a kid wanted a TF who's alt mode is a Porsche-esque car, do you think he or she gives a crap if the robot is a specific character like Jazz??

You think it's average kids and adults who are pleading for the Generations line to branch-out into series/universes beyond G1?
The average kid and adult would probably guess the term "G1" is something related to age-group labels like GenX and GenZ!
"Armada", "Cybertron"... Most people have no clue these are related to TF, let alone any of their important details. So it's literally impossible for these canon elements to influence a purchase for an average consumer. So why is Hastak doing this??



I'm not trying to claim that collectors make up 90, or even 80% of total TF sales for the Generations and SS lines. Who knows, it may be under 70%.
But it has to be way more than 30%.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:The simple truth when you boil it all down, is that Hasbro is reacting to the global economic downturn by charging us more, and giving us less. Like many other companies, they are jacking up their prices to cover the increased costs of production and distribution. They are also trying to disguise it (or make it slightly less overt) by keeping the price CLOSE to what it was before, but reducing the amount of product you get. Also with rhetorical shell games about 'engineering levels' and 'part counts'. But as the saying goes, no matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.

That process clearly began in the R.I.D. Prime / Generations F.O.C years.
The toys were getting smaller and cheaper but the prices remained the same. Then as the prices increased, the quality went up in Generations T-30. But before the quality took a nosedive again, the massive price hikes began with the movie toys in TLK.

Now, not only do the toys became smaller again, but the next mega price hike is also already starting. Canadian Toys R Us is the prelude.

Exactly. I really don't get the mentality of people that accept the 'More for less' ethos of Hasbro (and Takara). One that has been in place for several years. You see it worst in their more expensive figures. For example, flawed MP's that they only bothered to finish in one altmode and/or released with known defects.

Buying into the parts count and other such marketing spiel, you are only fooling yourself.

Also, as I've said for years. The G1 cord needs to be cut at some stage, or Transformers will continue to stagnate long after the last Gewunner is gone.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Here's what you're not considering--
Even though there are obviously exponentially fewer collectors than other consumers combined, that still doesn't mean that of the TF figures that actually sell, that only 30% of those purchases were made by collectors.
In fact in a lot of cases, I'd say it's the complete opposite.
While I truly believe this applies to any character of any class, here are a couple examples:

If there are 10 SS86 Starscreams at my Target (which there still are ), and 3 of them sell, I'm willing to bet that 2 if not all 3 of those purchases were made by collectors.
7 being left on the shelf doesn't mean collectors didn't buy, or that not enough collectors bought the figure; it most likely means that no one from any other consumer group was willing to bite YET. It also points to the idea that Coronation Starscream really is more aimed at collectors period.

But those Starscreams won't be there a year from now and hasbro does not do buybacks, so everything will have been sold to consumers in one way or another. And we know that collectors are the ones who bought them first, while the rest are purchased for kids birthdays and christmas. So there are 10 SS86 Starscreams, 3 of them sold within the first month (most probably to older fans) and the rest stayed there for a long time. However, all will be sold after a 1 year cycle of birthdays and holidays.
So that's 3 out of 10 sold to older fans and 7 out of 10 to be sold for kids.
30% according to your own example, which is the same stat Hasbro gave.

So what am I not seeing?

Your examples have to do with what you are seeing selling (currently) on your shelf, but instead you have to look at the entire picture to get the true stat. Think back to all the toys that you chose not to buy (either because you didn't want or because you already had it) that you kept seeing on your shelf for months at a time a year ago, or two years ago, are they still on shelves now? Seeing that there are 7 starscreams out of 10 left means that there are 7 starscreams left for general public to buy once the older fans took the ones they wanted.

This is very similar to when I read fans saying "man there's so much cyberverse and its always on the shelf, not selling", which is a fallacy but it seems true to them because they choose recency bias (the same toys were there last week) rather than actually sitting down and looking at the facts.

We have a TF wiki that shows all the previously released Cyberverse figures and we have entertainment earth showing the case assortments for rereleases, of which there are plenty. Jot down all the figures released and then go to a shelf and check how many of those you still see on the shelf. All the ones you don't see have been sold. But it didn't appear that way because people forgot what the shelf looked like a year ago.

In the end, while I get your use of logic as a fan and what people may think, and going through that approach, the only facts that matter are sales, and Hasbro pays millions to keep abreast on that while none of us do. So that's what I go with too.

Sowndwave76 wrote:My other example is based on figures such as Blaster, Wreck-gar, Scourge, and well, any of them.
Soundwave, Cosmos, Galvatron...
Collector: "Finally, a good update of Blaster!!"
Average adult: "Why would a robot turn into a boombox?"
Kid: "What's a 'boombox', and why would I play with this?"
Everyone: "Why is this $33??"

The average kid, even kids my sons ages (teens an pre-teens) would look at those alt modes and be puzzled.

I agree on your whole analysis. Maybe it's not collectors per-say, but at least adults.

Remember WfC (the game) Blaster and Soundwave? I get the entire reasoning behind that. I don't get boombox Blaster or microscope Perceptor. I mean, I'm glad we're getting them, but I don't get how that aims at today's kids.

I mean I can see how a kid might want Perceptor because he was in Cyberverse. Okay. But why make G1 Perceptor? Why not just make Cyberverse Perceptor? Why make G1 Studio Series Dinobots as opposed to leader class Cyberverse ones? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have what we have, but it doesn't makes sense to me as opposed to the older CHUG lines where they were updated or were tie-ins to a game or something.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:My other example is based on figures such as Blaster, Wreck-gar, Scourge, and well, any of them.
Soundwave, Cosmos, Galvatron...
Collector: "Finally, a good update of Blaster!!"
Average adult: "Why would a robot turn into a boombox?"
Kid: "What's a 'boombox', and why would I play with this?"
Everyone: "Why is this $33??"

The average kid, even kids my sons ages (teens an pre-teens) would look at those alt modes and be puzzled.

I agree on your whole analysis. Maybe it's not collectors per-say, but at least adults.

Remember WfC Blaster and Soundwave? I get the entire reasoning behind that. I don't get boombox Blaster or microscope Perceptor. I mean, I'm glad we're getting them, but I don't get how that aims at today's kids.

I mean I can see how a kid might want Perceptor because he was in Cyberverse. Okay. But why make G1 Perceptor? Why not just make Cyberverse Perceptor? Why make G1 Studio Series Dinobots as opposed to leader class Cyberverse ones? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have what we have, but it doesn't makes sense to me as opposed to the older CHUG lines where they were updated or were tie-ins to a game or something.

Aside from the major Transformers characters like Bumblebee and Optimus Prime, character selection for Transformers don't matter in general since the action figure's identity is secondary to the toy. It doesnt matter if Perceptor was in cyberverse or whatnot, what matters most is that he is a robot that transforms.



The reason you see G1 targetted characters is to get that extra 30% of sales from fans, which is not insiginificant at all, and because this is what the brand managers have chosen to release, what they preferred to work on.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:My other example is based on figures such as Blaster, Wreck-gar, Scourge, and well, any of them.
Soundwave, Cosmos, Galvatron...
Collector: "Finally, a good update of Blaster!!"
Average adult: "Why would a robot turn into a boombox?"
Kid: "What's a 'boombox', and why would I play with this?"
Everyone: "Why is this $33??"

The average kid, even kids my sons ages (teens an pre-teens) would look at those alt modes and be puzzled.

I agree on your whole analysis. Maybe it's not collectors per-say, but at least adults.

Remember WfC Blaster and Soundwave? I get the entire reasoning behind that. I don't get boombox Blaster or microscope Perceptor. I mean, I'm glad we're getting them, but I don't get how that aims at today's kids.

I mean I can see how a kid might want Perceptor because he was in Cyberverse. Okay. But why make G1 Perceptor? Why not just make Cyberverse Perceptor? Why make G1 Studio Series Dinobots as opposed to leader class Cyberverse ones? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have what we have, but it doesn't makes sense to me as opposed to the older CHUG lines where they were updated or were tie-ins to a game or something.

Shameless plug aside, catering to G1 doesn't make financial sense anymore. WFC, the MP collection and Studio Series '86 should be the end of it.
It is old, if not outright redundant, media now. Three decades have passed.

Hasbro needs to steer the franchise exclusively towards the new shows and films, to stay relevant. Nostalgia only goes so far. It is also aimed squarely at a niche and ever diminishing audience.

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Gotta say, I don't relate on his take on robot characters at all.

Okay, sure, colors and shapes, and puzzle boxes. But as a child I WANTED Optimus Prime. I WANTED Bumblebee. Never got Bee as a kid; I pretended this offbrand yellow bug was bee. But I really wanted characters and I'd sometimes pretend one toy was another character if I had to (I called Scourge Cyclonus because that's who I really wanted).

I liked TFs a lot. And, sure, I'd be grateful to get a genericon ... but Hot Rod was on my Christmas list every year for ages (never got him as a kid).

But, I guess, if they don't think it matters if it's a robot toy based on pure 80s nostalgia and that's why they're doing it ... I guess I'll take it.

@Soundwave76, just to jog the memory, this is what US Targets looked like last holiday season, six months after SS Slag was first found in the US, way after collectors had their fill. Can anyone tell me how many of those Slags are still left on shelves in Target today?

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Gotta say, I don't relate on his take on robot characters at all.

Okay, sure, colors and shapes, and puzzle boxes. But as a child I WANTED Optimus Prime. I WANTED Bumblebee. Never got Bee as a kid; I pretended this offbrand yellow bug was bee. But I really wanted characters and I'd sometimes pretend one toy was another character if I had to (I called Scourge Cyclonus because that's who I really wanted).

I liked TFs a lot. And, sure, I'd be grateful to get a genericon ... but Hot Rod was on my Christmas list every year for ages (never got him as a kid).

But, I guess, if they don't think it matters if it's a robot toy based on pure 80s nostalgia and that's why they're doing it ... I guess I'll take it.

I was like you as a kid but with Beast Wars, wanting Megatron and Primal. Then again, now that I think of it, I did also like the non show characters. And G1 has a ton of non show characters that fans still cherish to this day. So that definitely adds up to the video that kids (in the 80s and still now) don't really care about the character, as compared to getting a cool toy.

Hell, Boba Fett's lingering popularity is only because his toy looked cool

Transformers Studio Series Wheelie is out at retail now! And, Prime vs Prime has a review for you so you can see if you like this figure or not. It suffered heavy criticism from fans for the exposed hands and for looking inferior to the previous Titans Return version. Let us know what you think of this version and if you'll be hunting it down.

Still odd that Wheelie has had so much exposure lately? I'd love to know how big the Wheelie fanbase actually is. Literally everyone I've ever talked to has hated him since his debut.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Still odd that Wheelie has had so much exposure lately? I'd love to know how big the Wheelie fanbase actually is. Literally everyone I've ever talked to has hated him since his debut.

Could be more to do with checking boxes off. While they're aware they've done the character 6 years ago (side note: yikes 6 years since Titans Returns...) they're probably thinking of new fans wanting a representation of him...one that can transform of course

william-james88 wrote:@Soundwave76, just to jog the memory, this is what US Targets looked like last holiday season, six months after SS Slag was first found in the US, way after collectors had their fill. Can anyone tell me how many of those Slags are still left on shelves in Target today?

OOH! I may not be Sowndwave76 and I have no real stake in this argument, but as the individual who took and provided this picture back in November, I can confirm that that Target has 4-5 total Slugs and Grindors left over at this point from the combination of that endcap and the Leaders that were on the TF aisle at the same time. That endcap in the picture ended up becoming an endcap for all TF sizes once enough of those Leaders were gone, then the still-remaining Leaders got migrated to a different endcap while the first endcap got dedicated to general toy stock from multiple lines, and now there's only stock of those two Leaders left in the actual TF section. Said Target has seemingly not restocked SS Leaders since that initial endcap of just Slugs and Grindors, but honestly they could have and I would not have been able to tell.

I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack

If you want to have the "perfect" deluxe Arcee, stop being a scrooge and pay the price. You have only two options left. Go old school and do what people did before the Generations T-30 Arcee existed.
either you get an Animated Arcee with a custom head, or you get the Igear MGT-01 Delicate Warrior.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Isn't an embarrassment to own

Stop acting like a damn CHILD. Just embrace your shameful and embarrassing hobby without a care like a real adult would.

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After all that help over multiple posts, if you're still not satisfied you're on your own.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:@Soundwave76, just to jog the memory, this is what US Targets looked like last holiday season, six months after SS Slag was first found in the US, way after collectors had their fill. Can anyone tell me how many of those Slags are still left on shelves in Target today?

OOH! I may not be Sowndwave76 and I have no real stake in this argument, but as the individual who took and provided this picture back in November, I can confirm that that Target has 4-5 total Slugs and Grindors left over at this point from the combination of that endcap and the Leaders that were on the TF aisle at the same time. That endcap in the picture ended up becoming an endcap for all TF sizes once enough of those Leaders were gone, then the still-remaining Leaders got migrated to a different endcap while the first endcap got dedicated to general toy stock from multiple lines, and now there's only stock of those two Leaders left in the actual TF section. Said Target has seemingly not restocked SS Leaders since that initial endcap of just Slugs and Grindors, but honestly they could have and I would not have been able to tell.

My question was directed at anyone who could answer it so I thank you very much for getting back to me. And that is crazy cool to know that that end cap and the leaders in the TF section along with any restock (if it happened) practically sold out, including the grindors. And they were higher priced figures, wow, love seeing that apetite for TFs at retail.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack

If you want to have the "perfect" deluxe Arcee, stop being a scrooge and pay the price. You have only two options left. Go old school and do what people did before the Generations T-30 Arcee existed.
either you get an Animated Arcee with a custom head, or you get the Igear MGT-01 Delicate Warrior.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Isn't an embarrassment to own

Stop acting like a damn CHILD. Just embrace your shameful and embarrassing hobby without a care like a real adult would.

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After all that help over multiple posts, if you're still not satisfied you're on your own.

Animated Arcee with a custom head is probably the best bet, a good amalgamation of Arcees thanks to Animated being a fanwank hodge podge (I mean that in a good way, trust me), and probably isn't expensive to get nowadays. Plus it's a nice toy with nice stylings that isn't trying to emulate a design that never considered how transformation would work in the real world.

Either that or just buy the current retail Arcee and accept it.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Still odd that Wheelie has had so much exposure lately? I'd love to know how big the Wheelie fanbase actually is. Literally everyone I've ever talked to has hated him since his debut.

I never had a problem with the character. I'd love to see a Generations Selects version based on the look from the old story book, Wheelie was portrayed as a lost jungle boy who had to adapt to survive.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

Get the SS86 one already available for preorder.

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

Get the SS86 one already available for preorder.

Already been discussed but Mr is a "picky eater."

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

Get the SS86 one already available for preorder.

Already been discussed but Mr is a "picky eater."

Transformers is not a cheap hobby. I'm not wasting my money on just any random bot....
you act like I'm made of money!

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Transformers is not a cheap hobby. I'm not wasting my money on just any random bot....
you act like I'm made of money!

To be in this hobby you MUST spend money. Especially when you ask for the impossible.

Everyone told you that the your best and CHEAPEST option is SS86 Arcee, who is a fusion of the best elements of the old T-30 mold and the ER/KD mold. But it's not enough. You said so yourself.

So if the regular stuff that is available RIGHT NOW and is the "best" yet at regular retail is not enough, what then?
Pay the price.
Go full 3P, or buy the older stuff on the secondary market at triple the price. Like so many of us did and still do.

Welcome to the EXPENSIVE hobby of toy collecting. A hobby where being cheap is NEVER an option.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

Get the SS86 one already available for preorder.

Already been discussed but Mr is a "picky eater."

Transformers is not a cheap hobby. I'm not wasting my money on just any random bot....
you act like I'm made of money!

I definitely feel that, heh. I'll probably wait until there's an even better Arcee toy anyway, even if it's not "100% accurate", it'll probably be G1 enough. The Bumblebee movie Arcee I think is also probably another "good enough" as a G1-styled Arcee toy that doesn't have a junkyard's worth of car parts cello taped to her back. It may be hard to track that one down for a good price right now, though.

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

Get the SS86 one already available for preorder.

Already been discussed but Mr is a "picky eater."

Transformers is not a cheap hobby. I'm not wasting my money on just any random bot....
you act like I'm made of money!

I definitely feel that, heh. I'll probably wait until there's an even better Arcee toy anyway, even if it's not "100% accurate", it'll probably be G1 enough. The Bumblebee movie Arcee I think is also probably another "good enough" as a G1-styled Arcee toy that doesn't have a junkyard's worth of car parts cello taped to her back. It may be hard to track that one down for a good price right now, though.

Does the bumblebee movie arcee fit in with generations well enough? If it does I'll probably buy it and order a g1 head for it.
But no, the 86 is a peace of crap, and no-one can prove otherwise

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Does the bumblebee movie arcee fit in with generations well enough? If it does I'll probably buy it and order a g1 head for it.
But no, the 86 is a peace of crap, and no-one can prove otherwise

Bee Movie Arcee is a Bay-Bot and no new hat will ever change that fact.

Based on your impossible criteria, you will never, ever own a "G1" Arcee. Ever.
Good luck trying to get water from that stone.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I need and arcee that's:
Less than 50 bucks (U.S.)
Looks enough like G1 in Robot mode (pink, lelia buns)
Good transformation
Not too big of a backpack
Isn't an embarrassment to own


I but legends if it was 40 but its 70!

Get the SS86 one already available for preorder.

Already been discussed but Mr is a "picky eater."

Transformers is not a cheap hobby. I'm not wasting my money on just any random bot....
you act like I'm made of money!

I definitely feel that, heh. I'll probably wait until there's an even better Arcee toy anyway, even if it's not "100% accurate", it'll probably be G1 enough. The Bumblebee movie Arcee I think is also probably another "good enough" as a G1-styled Arcee toy that doesn't have a junkyard's worth of car parts cello taped to her back. It may be hard to track that one down for a good price right now, though.

Does the bumblebee movie arcee fit in with generations well enough? If it does I'll probably buy it and order a g1 head for it.
But no, the 86 is a peace of crap, and no-one can prove otherwise

Personally I think it does, the head's honestly the only thing I find that makes it look out of place. (Obviously to match the live-action aesthetic of the previous films) It still does have the general shape of G1 Arcees as well as having the classic Leia buns, so it could still fit in without a head swap if you squint and save money on getting a replacement head. The feet are also the only thing that sorta seem out of place, again to match the greebly aesthetic of the Bay films, but that's bordering nitpick territory and hard to notice.
The vehicle mode definitely is a far cry from the OG sci-fi sports car, though, if you're concerned about that.

I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

Ironically enough - I like this design! I mean, I don't think it's the best of the Bay film designs and especially not the best Arcee design, but I just find it unique in a "fun" way. It's still pretty flawed and I prefer the design of the first Deluxe toy (that sadly didn't get to appear in a film...) however.

But, yeah, God I hope they don't try to go back to this design for RotB as funny as it would be.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Does the bumblebee movie arcee fit in with generations well enough? If it does I'll probably buy it and order a g1 head for it.
But no, the 86 is a peace of crap, and no-one can prove otherwise

Bee Movie Arcee is a Bay-Bot and no new hat will ever change that fact.

Based on your impossible criteria, you will never, ever own a "G1" Arcee. Ever.
Good luck trying to get water from that stone.

I will, eventually. I'll just make sure you're not on the page We'll see who has the last laugh. I still have a few ideas.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

Arcee is one if the only ROTB bots to have been shown already to industry professionals and from what was said, it is very much a G1 take in live action, like Bee movie Optimus is.

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

Arcee is one if the only ROTB bots to have been shown already to industry professionals and from what was said, it is very much a G1 take in live action, like Bee movie Optimus is.

Can't say I'm surprised at all with the general "geewun" look of the recent live action films, but that's relieving!

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

Still looks better than this hideous creature (the one Movieverse design I will not defend):



Eeeyuck!

I'll take the alien unicyclist over this thing any day.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

Still looks better than this hideous creature (the one Movieverse design I will not defend):



Eeeyuck!

I'll take the alien unicyclist over this thing any day.

I actually prefer that one over the one we got. Maybe not so much the fake hair, but the rest I like.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I will say I'm not too picky with matching aesthetics so I still would probably get BB Arcee as my ""G1"" Arcee.
Emphasis on "probably" because I am eager to see Rise of the Beasts Arcee and how the Studio Series toy for that will turn out.

I'd laugh my ass off if she turn out to be this aborted foetus abomination:

Still looks better than this hideous creature (the one Movieverse design I will not defend):



Eeeyuck!

I'll take the alien unicyclist over this thing any day.

I actually prefer that one over the one we got. Maybe not so much the fake hair, but the rest I like.

Emerje

The toy of that design definitely helped me enjoy it more, heh.

This conversation is getting out of hand!
and if the mods have their way, we may have to transfer it to studio series discussion
but on that, I LOATHE the old movie arcee designs. Especially the terrible tire bras.
and those toys.....motormaid

Wheelie is wheelie, wheelie bad. I'll be sticking with the Legends version (with a modded head and bluetacked catapult from that statue thing that came with SS86 Grimlock).

william-james88 wrote:Arcee is one if the only ROTB bots to have been shown already to industry professionals and from what was said, it is very much a G1 take in live action, like Bee movie Optimus is.

I wonder if they'll be able to make a miracle compressed backpack?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:This conversation is getting out of hand!

Says the guy that detailed the topic in the first place.

I really don't understand your problem with T30 Arcee. You want G1 accuracy, but are going out of your way avoiding it, it makes no sense to me. She should tick all of your requirement boxes: She's accurate in both modes (if you can ignore the black), she isn't a shellformer like the Earthrise figure, parts of her body actually become parts of the alt mode, she has a more compact backpack than a lot of her male counterparts (much of it character correct), and she's still pretty affordable. She's the best Deluxe G1 Arcee we've had and likely ever will have since the SS86 Arcee does more shellforming.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:This conversation is getting out of hand!

Says the guy that detailed the topic in the first place.

I really don't understand your problem with T30 Arcee. You want G1 accuracy, but are going out of your way avoiding it, it makes no sense to me. She should tick all of your requirement boxes: She's accurate in both modes (if you can ignore the black), she isn't a shellformer like the Earthrise figure, parts of her body actually become parts of the alt mode, she has a more compact backpack than a lot of her male counterparts (much of it character correct), and she's still pretty affordable. She's the best Deluxe G1 Arcee we've had and likely ever will have since the SS86 Arcee does more shellforming.

Emerje

I would proffer that the Legends version is even better, due to the more accurate G1 paintjob.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:@Soundwave76, just to jog the memory, this is what US Targets looked like last holiday season, six months after SS Slag was first found in the US, way after collectors had their fill. Can anyone tell me how many of those Slags are still left on shelves in Target today?

OOH! I may not be Sowndwave76 and I have no real stake in this argument, but as the individual who took and provided this picture back in November, I can confirm that that Target has 4-5 total Slugs and Grindors left over at this point from the combination of that endcap and the Leaders that were on the TF aisle at the same time. That endcap in the picture ended up becoming an endcap for all TF sizes once enough of those Leaders were gone, then the still-remaining Leaders got migrated to a different endcap while the first endcap got dedicated to general toy stock from multiple lines, and now there's only stock of those two Leaders left in the actual TF section. Said Target has seemingly not restocked SS Leaders since that initial endcap of just Slugs and Grindors, but honestly they could have and I would not have been able to tell.

My question was directed at anyone who could answer it so I thank you very much for getting back to me. And that is crazy cool to know that that end cap and the leaders in the TF section along with any restock (if it happened) practically sold out, including the grindors. And they were higher priced figures, wow, love seeing that apetite for TFs at retail.

Weird timing, I took the other photo you used and at my store there are still 4 Grindors left, but everything else sold, including the 10+ Starscreams that have been stocked since then. That store even had a Kingdom T-Wrecks case randomly show up last month that also moved within a week or 2.

Just for the record, I remember when that photo was featured as well. None of the Targets in my area had an endcap like that. I did see all those toys eventually in very small quantities though. Not sure when Sludge will ever get to my area as every store has 4-6 Coronation Starscream.

In fact I don't think I've seen any new SS since the Bumblebee wave with Brawn, Ratchet, etc....and those sold out quickly.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:This conversation is getting out of hand!

Says the guy that detailed the topic in the first place.

I really don't understand your problem with T30 Arcee. You want G1 accuracy, but are going out of your way avoiding it, it makes no sense to me. She should tick all of your requirement boxes: She's accurate in both modes (if you can ignore the black), she isn't a shellformer like the Earthrise figure, parts of her body actually become parts of the alt mode, she has a more compact backpack than a lot of her male counterparts (much of it character correct), and she's still pretty affordable. She's the best Deluxe G1 Arcee we've had and likely ever will have since the SS86 Arcee does more shellforming.

Emerje

I would proffer that the Legends version is even better, due to the more accurate G1 paintjob.

The T-30 MOLD is actually fine. The color scheme is the problem. I got over TR Kup's color scheme, but t-30 Arcee is just inappropriate. Then legends sells for $70+