Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG-19 Springer Revealed

...wel.

That kicks ass.

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Legends LG19 Springer - http://tfsource.com/legends-series/lg19-springer/

TT ditched the yellow chest?

For show-accuracy's sake.

He's beautiful.

Its meh but that green is a little overpowering... i prefer the hasbro one

I'm genuinely lost on this one. Quick someone tell me how to feel!

steals_your_goats wrote:I'm genuinely lost on this one. Quick someone tell me how to feel!

You feel good about this. You want one. You only feel he's a tad skinny, but you'll take 3 anyway.

RhA wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I'm genuinely lost on this one. Quick someone tell me how to feel!

You feel good about this. You want one. You only feel he's a tad skinny, but you'll take 3 anyway.

Okay thanks I knew someone would pull through for me

steals_your_goats wrote:

RhA wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I'm genuinely lost on this one. Quick someone tell me how to feel!

You feel good about this. You want one. You only feel he's a tad skinny, but you'll take 3 anyway.

Okay thanks I knew someone would pull through for me

No problem, dude.

I'm confused why you guys seem excited about this one. It's unlike Takara to come out with repaints like this ... this seems more like something from Hasbro, or a multi-pack variant or something. It's also trying to be accurate to Springer's animation model in some respects, but then it's not in others.

Seibertron wrote:I'm confused why you guys seem excited about this one. It's unlike Takara to come out with repaints like this ... this seems more like something from Hasbro, or a multi-pack variant or something. It's also trying to be accurate to Springer's animation model in some respects, but then it's not in others.

I find this release super odd too. It's like Takara is doing as if this guy below never happened. It really sucks for those who paid a little extra the first time to get the takara version.



This release just straight up baffles me.

Seibertron wrote:I'm confused why you guys seem excited about this one. It's unlike Takara to come out with repaints like this ... this seems more like something from Hasbro, or a multi-pack variant or something. It's also trying to be accurate to Springer's animation model in some respects, but then it's not in others.

Like I said I'm still unsure about this one. On one hand I really like the green that They chose. It's more vibrant and personally I think it looks better. However I'm more than happy with my Hasbro version so I won't be getting this guy, especially with the pre-order prices I've seen.

steals_your_goats wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I'm confused why you guys seem excited about this one. It's unlike Takara to come out with repaints like this ... this seems more like something from Hasbro, or a multi-pack variant or something. It's also trying to be accurate to Springer's animation model in some respects, but then it's not in others.

Like I said I'm still unsure about this one. On one hand I really like the green that They chose. It's more vibrant and personally I think it looks better. However I'm more than happy with my Hasbro version so I won't be getting this guy, especially with the pre-order prices I've seen.

It's only 30$ USD plus shipping.

http://www.anime-export.com/product/28015

The MSRP is actually cheaper than Takara's previous release of Springer, which is even more baffling. It went from 5450 yen to 5200 yen.

here is a listing of the previous release for the record.

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=TOY-RBT-3128&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Dspringer%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I'm confused why you guys seem excited about this one. It's unlike Takara to come out with repaints like this ... this seems more like something from Hasbro, or a multi-pack variant or something. It's also trying to be accurate to Springer's animation model in some respects, but then it's not in others.

Like I said I'm still unsure about this one. On one hand I really like the green that They chose. It's more vibrant and personally I think it looks better. However I'm more than happy with my Hasbro version so I won't be getting this guy, especially with the pre-order prices I've seen.

It's only 30$ USD plus shipping.

http://www.anime-export.com/product/28015

The MSRP is actually cheaper than Takara's previous release of Springer, which is even more baffling. It went from 5450 yen to 5200 yen.

here is a listing of the previous release for the record.

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=TOY-RBT-3128&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Dspringer%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

Eh I guess that's not that bad, maybe if I didn't already have a Springer I'd be more inclined to buy it. I do still love that green though.

Well that's a lot more of a change than the previous Takara version. It's nice but I feel it's just missing something from the chest (the animation model isn't green in the very front bit of the chest/hood). I'm happy with my Hasbro one though (well even moreso after I made the lil rocketpack, and I repainted all that ugly yellow plastic with a nice slightly orange-yellow I used for painting up my AoE Bumblebee too).

That Springer recolor is completely pointless. If Takara wanted to go for a G1 look, why not reshelling it completely and make this a MP?

Why do I feel like he's based on an obscure Sunbow animation error? He looks like one of those off model background characters that look like one of the regular characters. Without the yellow on his chest and some of the strange things they kept but could have fixed with paint like the shoulder stripes this is probably one of Takara Tomy's worst G1 repaint efforts.

I'm thinking they're only doing this in the first place because of MP Hot Rod, but maybe just a straight rerelease of the previous one would have been good enough.

Emerje

-Kanrabat- wrote:That Springer recolor is completely pointless. If Takara wanted to go for a G1 look, why not reshelling it completely and make this a MP?

Considering this mold was out 2-3 years ago, they already did a Springer with that mold, and now they are doing a different version based on the animation model, IDK what to make of this, other than I like my hasbro one and that one is kinda ugly looking, similar to Takara's Defensor

I'm digging this second try at Generations Springer by Takara. They KNOW they missed the mark last time. Everything looks right this time for a screen accurate paint mask, from the two tones of green down to the pale olive-green fists, thighs, and face. Hasbro's original release is still great for IDW Springer, but for people who want more G1 in their Classics/Universe/Generations figures, this is it.

He just looks like a big green blob.

william-james88 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I'm confused why you guys seem excited about this one. It's unlike Takara to come out with repaints like this ... this seems more like something from Hasbro, or a multi-pack variant or something. It's also trying to be accurate to Springer's animation model in some respects, but then it's not in others.

I find this release super odd too. It's like Takara is doing as if this guy below never happened. It really sucks for those who paid a little extra the first time to get the takara version.



This release just straight up baffles me.

Maybe TT heard a lot of requests for a re pressing of the mold. That or the lot is going to be sold to "China".

OK, I get it now. MP Hot Rod is being released in February, MP Ultra Magnus is being re-released in February, and this Springer is coming in February as well. Let's see if they announce CW/WU Cyclonus for February, too.

Emerje

Might as well throw a re-release of Legends Arcee in there as well.

I still like the Hasbro version of Springer better.

This thing looks about as good as Cloud Megatron, in which a mold that was obviously not meant to evoke the 1980's G1 version of the character is given a deco that is based on the 1980's G1 version of said character, making the end result look really awkward and off.

What's next, a silver painted version of the stealth bomber Megatron?

Cobotron wrote:Might as well throw a re-release of Legends Arcee in there as well.

They did in august, thats how I got mine

SillySpringer wrote:I still like the Hasbro version of Springer better.

Is it weird that I was waiting to see what you were going to say about this?

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:I still like the Hasbro version of Springer better.

Is it weird that I was waiting to see what you were going to say about this?

His name is Sillyspringer, so I have been waiting patiently for what he would say about this

I found this online, thought it twas cool:

william-james88 wrote:I found this online, thought it twas cool:

Hasbro's original is the clear winner here (though, Takara's TG version does have green feet).

Am I really the only one digging this repaint? I don't get the "the G1 paint scheme doesn't fit the mold" complaints at all. Honestly, I think a lot of people just don't want to have to rebuy this figure and are justifying sticking with what they have. Not to say that what they have (so long as it's the Hasbro version) isn't good. It was great for the time, but this is just that much better for a "Classics/neoG1" Springer.

william-james88 wrote:I found this online, thought it twas cool:

Love how they covered up the watermark from Seibertron's gallery for the Hasbro version


Transformers Generations Springer Gallery

I don't really get why Takara are re-releasing Springer with this new colour scheme. Just because it's a bit more G1-esque? Fair enough, but it's not enough to make me bite. I actually like the yellow chest, breaks it up a bit more. Hasbro's is the clear winner for me.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Am I really the only one digging this repaint? I don't get the "the G1 paint scheme doesn't fit the mold" complaints at all. Honestly, I think a lot of people just don't want to have to rebuy this figure and are justifying sticking with what they have. Not to say that what they have (so long as it's the Hasbro version) isn't good. It was great for the time, but this is just that much better for a "Classics/neoG1" Springer.

It's as I said before. These are 1980's G1 colors applied to the wrong body design. Had this been a different Springer mold altogether, one meant to evoke the original toy or cartoon model more closely, then it would work better. But this is no different than when Takara made Cloud Megatron by putting 1980's G1 Megatron colors on a toy that clearly wasn't meant to be 1980's G1 Megatron in design.

Meh, as if putting G1 colors on something that is not is a new thing...

And sometimes, it work really well.











Ect.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Meh, as if putting G1 colors on something that is not is a new thing...

And sometimes, it work really well.

None of those ones are trying to pretend to be something they aren't, though. The context of those examples are pure visual homages. This Springer, however, is giving the original character his original colors in a body that isn't meant to be the body his original colors are meant for.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Meh, as if putting G1 colors on something that is not is a new thing...

And sometimes, it work really well.

None of those ones are trying to pretend to be something they aren't, though. The context of those examples are pure visual homages. This Springer, however, is giving the original character his original colors in a body that isn't meant to be the body his original colors are meant for.

I see your point. That's why I see that green Springer only as "hommaging" rather than "pretending". No matter what Takara say.

I'm sure many of you are aware of my feelings for the color yellow, but I'll reiterated them:

I HATE YELLOW.

And with that said, this really kind of appeals to me. I don't have enough green in my Autobot ranks, and it's a pretty shade with some nice other hues and tints thrown in. Maybe, just maybe...

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Am I really the only one digging this repaint? I don't get the "the G1 paint scheme doesn't fit the mold" complaints at all. Honestly, I think a lot of people just don't want to have to rebuy this figure and are justifying sticking with what they have. Not to say that what they have (so long as it's the Hasbro version) isn't good. It was great for the time, but this is just that much better for a "Classics/neoG1" Springer.

It's as I said before. These are 1980's G1 colors applied to the wrong body design. Had this been a different Springer mold altogether, one meant to evoke the original toy or cartoon model more closely, then it would work better. But this is no different than when Takara made Cloud Megatron by putting 1980's G1 Megatron colors on a toy that clearly wasn't meant to be 1980's G1 Megatron in design.

Then again, what about Generations Blurr? That's not his G1 alt mode or robot body, but I like Hasbro's paint job, which (unusually in most cases) is the one that is much more G1 screen and toy accurate, over Takara's, which is instead comic accurate, and admittedly very pretty with its metallic paint job. I think the perception that G1 colors don't work for a certain mold is more a matter of personal taste than a foregone conclusion. These colors work fine for me with this Springer. "Classics" is for updates of G1 characters, and even with some different alt modes and robot mode silhouettes, getting the colors right is a huge plus to making these characters evoke their original incarnations nonetheless.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Then again, what about Generations Blurr? That's not his G1 alt mode or robot body, but I like Hasbro's paint job, which (unusually in most cases) is the one that is much more G1 screen and toy accurate, over Takara's, which is instead comic accurate, and admittedly very pretty with its metallic paint job. I think the perception that G1 colors don't work for a certain mold is more a matter of personal taste than a foregone conclusion. These colors work fine for me with this Springer. "Classics" is for updates of G1 characters, and even with some different alt modes and robot mode silhouettes, getting the colors right is a huge plus to making these characters evoke their original incarnations nonetheless.

I hate that blurr, I have no clue why he is liked at all. Firstly, it is odd how such an important character is just a repaint and secondly, a repaint of a toy sporting loads of kibble. It totally takes away from the swift and lean design he should have to inspire speed.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Then again, what about Generations Blurr? That's not his G1 alt mode or robot body, but I like Hasbro's paint job, which (unusually in most cases) is the one that is much more G1 screen and toy accurate, over Takara's, which is instead comic accurate, and admittedly very pretty with its metallic paint job. I think the perception that G1 colors don't work for a certain mold is more a matter of personal taste than a foregone conclusion. These colors work fine for me with this Springer. "Classics" is for updates of G1 characters, and even with some different alt modes and robot mode silhouettes, getting the colors right is a huge plus to making these characters evoke their original incarnations nonetheless.

I hate that blurr, I have no clue why he is liked at all. Firstly, it is odd how such an important character is just a repaint and secondly, a repaint of a toy sporting loads of kibble. It totally takes away from the swift and lean design he should have to inspire speed.

A proper Blurr light on kibble and high on speed and badass-ery is needed

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:A proper Blurr light on kibble and high on speed and badass-ery is needed

For now, fans have to rely on the Animated version for their "speedy" Blurr fix.



I don't really care for that toy so I sold mine a good while ago.

My friend Chaosalphaandomega on Seibertron.com found an image of the Legends Decepticon feme's box art:

Thanks Chaosalphaandomega you rock!

Nemesis Maximo wrote:I'm sure many of you are aware of my feelings for the color yellow, but I'll reiterated them:

I HATE YELLOW.

And with that said, this really kind of appeals to me. I don't have enough green in my Autobot ranks, and it's a pretty shade with some nice other hues and tints thrown in. Maybe, just maybe...

Personally, I like the Hasbro version of Springer better.

SillySpringer wrote:My friend here on Seibertron.com found an image of the Legends Decepticon feme's box art:

Thanks bro you rock!

Eyy It's no problem, I'm surprised no one mentioned it here,

Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Then again, what about Generations Blurr?

That's a bit of a different case. Generations Blurr was an attempt to make a toy of IDW Blurr without having to make a new mold for him (kinda like what Fun Pub did for TFSS Chromedome). They took the Drift mold which had a similar kind of shoulder kibble that swings back like in Guido Guidi's design for IDW Blurr:




Now, one might notice the Cybertronian altmode seen above and point that out as an example of the toy going against comic accuracy. Well, on Cybertron, he did have that form. But on Earth during the 2009-2011 ongoing, he was given an Earth altmode (barring any erroneous reappearances of his Cybertronian altmode), which the Drift mold was close enough to approximate within Hasbro's budget:



As far as the deco differences between the Hasbro and Takara versions of Blurr are concerned, it seems that both decos are a similar case to that of the recent Leader class Ultra Magnus. Both Hasbro and Takara seem to have been trying for comic-accuracy, but in different ways and ideas. For Hasbro, it looks as though they were using a much more conservative budget for the figure that enabled them to achieve a more rudimentary level of comic-accuracy, while Takara (being more collector-oriented) seemingly had a higher budget that allowed them to go for even more comic-accuracy that Hasbro, getting more of the finer details colored in and colored properly.

And for Blurr, unlike Springer, his IDW character already had a color layout that was much closer to that of his 1980's media counterpart than IDW Springer's was to 1980's media Springer's. So if either Hasbro or Takara had instead decided to color the IDW-based Blurr more faithfully to the Blurr of the 1980's media, the result wouldn't look as jarring as this new Springer does with most of his yellow being replaced with green.

Sabrblade wrote:And for Blurr, unlike Springer, his IDW character already had a color layout that was much closer to that of his 1980's media counterpart than IDW Springer's was to 1980's media Springer's. So if either Hasbro or Takara had instead decided to color the IDW-based Blurr more faithfully to the Blurr of the 1980's media, the result wouldn't look as jarring as this new Springer does with most of his yellow being replaced with green.

I don't think Hasbro was going for comic accuracy with Generations Blurr, though. Look at some of the touches that the Hasbro version has compared to the Takara version (which looks much more like his IDW color layout). The Hasbro version has hues of blue strategically placed on the robot mode to better approximate where those colors were on the G1 animation model. Also, look at little details like the white painted section on the car roof of the Hasbro version and compare it to Blurr's G1 cartoon alt mode. That's part of why I like the Hasbro version of Blurr better than the Takara version, which itself looks fantastic with those metallic blues. The Hasbro one does a good job of evoking the G1 character model with a robot mode that has almost a completely different silhouette. I feel the same way about this new Takara Legends Springer as I do about Hasbro's Generations Blurr. I think what's "jarring" to you is that you know the model is based on the IDW look, so you want the IDW colors. Anything else looks "wrong." I don't have those same preconceptions about the figure. It's a matter of taste.

fenrir72 wrote:Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Is the plastic quality that much better than hasbro's?

I've seriously been looking for yet more reasons to get him, and between this and the paint apps, I might cave and slaughter my poor wallet, but $70 is still a bit much, but for paint, plastic and qc, I suppose I could justify it

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Is the plastic quality that much better than hasbro's?

I've seriously been looking for yet more reasons to get him, and between this and the paint apps, I might cave and slaughter my poor wallet, but $70 is still a bit much, but for paint, plastic and qc, I suppose I could justify it

I think fenrir72 was talking about the plastic colors. The plastic quality and QC are almost definitely the same. It's a myth that Takara somehow uses different materials than Hasbro. Their releases are made in the exact same factories. It's a difference of choice of plastic colors and paint applications, not physical production.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I don't think Hasbro was going for comic accuracy with Generations Blurr, though.

If the Takara version never existed would you still think the same? Hasbro made the figure first and it is unambiguously meant be IDW comic Blurr. Takara just did a better attempt in the color department than Hasbro did because Takara has proven time and again to be able to do better in that department than Hasbro.

Wolfman Jake wrote:The Hasbro version has hues of blue strategically placed on the robot mode to better approximate where those colors were on the G1 animation model.

Not... really:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Is the plastic quality that much better than hasbro's?

I've seriously been looking for yet more reasons to get him, and between this and the paint apps, I might cave and slaughter my poor wallet, but $70 is still a bit much, but for paint, plastic and qc, I suppose I could justify it

I think fenrir72 was talking about the plastic colors. The plastic quality and QC are almost definitely the same. It's a myth that Takara somehow uses different materials than Hasbro. Their releases are made in the exact same factories. It's a difference of choice of plastic colors and paint applications, not physical production.

That shiny silver specked flake effect on the plastic is a sight to behold.. Kind of like the one used on GodMagnus in CarRobots. You've got to see it to believe it. Even high res images can't compare to the real thing.

I am not in a position to say if the plastic used is much superior, I'll leave that to the chemical experts around here but yes, in presentation, TT has that something "X"-tra.

chaosalphaandomega wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:My friend Chaosalphaandomega here on Seibertron.com found an image of the Legends Decepticon feme's box art:

Thanks bro you rock!

Eyy It's no problem, I'm surprised no one mentioned it here,

Even now, everyone else in the thread seems to be ignoring it!

The only one of those legends chicks that I'm actually really interested in, is Slipstream. The only figure I'm 99.99% sure I'm getting is UW Devastator though, cuz after that, I got Masterpieces to save up for. I hope I can get Slipstream though.