TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set

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For those not subscribed to the thread pertaining to the Botcon 2016's "Dawn of Predacus" figure set, Seibertron has had the privileged of asking Fun Pub's very own TF_JW a few questions pertaining to the choices behind the set this year, especially the colours. Here below are answers from the Club's representative which I hope will shed some light on some questions and issues some may have had with what was revealed so far. And once you are done reading, come join the discussion on the official Botcon forums found right here on Seibertron!

- About Tarantulas

Personal observation here (as a guy who had nothing to do with the mold choice on this one).

Transmetal Tarantulas was... well he was a bit like Bruce Lee. He wasn't bulky, but the guy was trim and toned (look at those abs!). And then he had a ginormous linebacker's shoulder pads thrown on, giving him an extremely wide chest and shoulders.

From the day Rook was revealed, that's kind of how I saw him too. His upper legs aren't all that bulky, and with the bomb disposal claw defining his job, I can interpret him as a moderate-sized guy inside of massively oversized protective shielding. And with this being Tarantulas working with the Predacon Secret before/instead of on ancient Earth getting turned into a spider, I can catch some interesting story vibes of him putting on some riot gear or a bomb disposal suit for a particularly tricky assignment.

As for the size of the head, thanks for pointing that out. But there has been a 3D printing made and correctly fitted to the body, even if the digital color/paint mock-up might appear to show something different.


- About the decision to use these versions of the characters and these alt modes.

The decision to make a Beast Wars Anniversary set came, well, years ago. However, since there is a very limited catalog of beast molds accessible (unless you go back to the original 20 year old molds... which does have some appeal, don't get me wrong) and since there was no knowledge of what Hasbro or Takara Tomy might do (again, we're talking a couple years ago) the focus has pretty much always been on making vehicular forms for the BW cast.

As far as how the Beast Wars Combiner Wars came about, I can't get too much into that. However I will say that Hasbro were very much excited by the concept of Fun Pub using current molds and branding to make the toy line and exclusives more cohesive.

So then with Combiner Wars in mind, Tripredacus seemed the most compelling choice for Beast Wars. Two Deluxe beasts and a Mega beast forming one of the first combiners since G1 getting turned into two Deluxe vehicles and a Voyager. And then to finish off the team of 5, Ravage and Tarantulas fit that theme quite well as being agents of the Council in the show.

The decision of show versus toys... well the Tripredacus toys already exist. And quite honestly they still hold up quite well 20 years later. The show models, however, have never had any sort of physical representation, so it became incredibly tempting to give them one finally. (Not to mention the show models where non-beasts, so that was an interesting point as well.)

Lastly, having seen and held the 3D printed heads, and seeing all of the design work and digital sculpts that led up to them, I think they fit the bodies much better than the mock-ups make it seem. I think that once samples start rolling in, some minds might be changed.


- About choice of colour, what impact Combiner Wars had, prices and souvenir figures.

The Tripredacus Council are red, silver, and black while Ravage is black, silver, and red. So I don't think he stands out as much as some are expecting. And Predacus will pull some of Tarantulas' colors into the combined mode.

I'm not sure I would agree with the Combiner Wars molds being called a "roadbump". They affected the course of the design and concept process, sure, but their hurdle isn't any higher than any other repaints really.

For the rest of your post, all I can say about the souvenirs right now is that I'm quite excited about them. And that it's too early to talk costs just yet.


- All about what went into the colours chosen and how it represents the most show accurate scheme possible, according to the Transformers Club.

The lighting after the little red disc lights are ignited makes it fairly clear that they are red and silver. The red reflects brighter on them where the red lamps shine on them, but as has been pointed out they are red where the white lamp shines on them too.

My personal interpretation of the scene is that the trick of the light/light source cheat is actually the part where they appear solid gray. More than likely the animators wanted to make their reveal a little more dramatic and therefore cut the saturation to nil so that the characters could blend in with the shadows more. This is done quite a lot in live-action filming when a scene is shot in the day time but then edited to look like night time - the saturation is cut and a blue filter applied.

Then when the lamps are activated we get bright red characters against a blue backdrop. Very contrast-y, very dramatic.




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Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738221)
Posted by 1984forever on October 31st, 2015 @ 1:45am CDT
Fun pub has to know that they're going to lose money on this set.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738241)
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 31st, 2015 @ 7:39am CDT
I would be surprised if they lost more money then usual, I think there is more people who like this then there is vocally against it. Of course this is just conjecture on my part.

I would prefer the predacon symbol to be used on the chest instead of a head design personally but I am looking forward to seeing the full combiner.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738245)
Posted by MisterNewUzer on October 31st, 2015 @ 8:19am CDT
The decision of show versus toys... well the Tripredacus toys already exist.


This is a crock of bull, two toys in this box set already prove that, not to mention countless other toys from previous Botcons:

Transmetal Tarantulas and Ravage/Jaguar XJ9 already exist, we should give them completely garish and awful paintjobs because they have toys that exist.

Hey, Scorponok already has an existing G1 toy, let's just paint him purple!

Hey, Clench has an existing toy, let's make him resemble Optimus Prime instead!

This 2006 Games of Deception set is gonna be the bee's knees! But Dirge and Thrust already have toys, so let's not bother remolding them and just make them straight repaints of the Starscream mold, they'll love that!




That is just lazy and uninformed. I had hope in a great set before, now I'm putting my money towards something more thought out.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738246)
Posted by SG Roadbuster on October 31st, 2015 @ 8:33am CDT
i know this is the beast wars 20th anniversary, but its also RID/Car Robots 15th anniversary. and those characters would have been much better suited to the combiner wars molds. gimmie sec and I can brainstorm up something.......

boxset-"Ruination Awakens"
Mega Octane-from Onlsaught
Rotor-from Alpha bravo
Movor-From Skydive (new head)
Armorhide-from Brawl (use toy colours, they look more interesting)
Rollbar-from Swindle, or Offroad if you want him to look different from Hound
Storm Jet from Cyclonus (new bot mode and combiner heads combiner head based on Grand Mal Megatron in homage to the original Storm Jet's Vehicon roots)

souvenir set 1
Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime from Hot Spot (new combiner head)
Spychanger Ironhide from Offroad
Spychanger Mirage from Drag Strip (new head)

souvenir set 2
REV from Breakdown (new head)
WARS from Streetwise

souvenir set 3
Hotshot from Deadend
Crosswise from Wheeljack


attendee figure
Side Swipe from Deadend (new head)

custom class
Daytonus from Wheeljack

i literally came up with that in five minutes. creating 3 full combiners between the boxset and souvenirs using the 2014 format. and quite honestly, the ruination and spychanger toys from the original rid line were the weakest of the line on account of being g1 toys.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738248)
Posted by Lucky Logician on October 31st, 2015 @ 8:48am CDT
1984forever wrote:Fun pub has to know that they're going to lose money on this set.

ZeroWolf wrote:I would be surprised if they lost more money then usual, I think there is more people who like this then there is vocally against it. Of course this is just conjecture on my part.
There is a lot revealed that I don't like so far. Several decisions made on this set absolutely baffle me. That said, I still plan on attending and buying it.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738249)
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on October 31st, 2015 @ 8:59am CDT
SG Roadbuster wrote:i know this is the beast wars 20th anniversary, but its also RID/Car Robots 15th anniversary. and those characters would have been much better suited to the combiner wars molds. gimmie sec and I can brainstorm up something.......

boxset-"Ruination Awakens"
Mega Octane-from Onlsaught
Rotor-from Alpha bravo
Movor-From Skydive (new head)
Armorhide-from Brawl (use toy colours, they look more interesting)
Rollbar-from Swindle, or Offroad if you want him to look different from Hound
Storm Jet from Cyclonus (new bot mode and combiner heads combiner head based on Grand Mal Megatron in homage to the original Storm Jet's Vehicon roots)

souvenir set 1
Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime from Hot Spot (new combiner head)
Spychanger Ironhide from Offroad
Spychanger Mirage from Drag Strip (new head)

souvenir set 2
REV from Breakdown (new head)
WARS from Streetwise

souvenir set 3
Hotshot from Deadend
Crosswise from Wheeljack


attendee figure
Side Swipe from Deadend (new head)

custom class
Daytonus from Wheeljack

i literally came up with that in five minutes. creating 3 full combiners between the boxset and souvenirs using the 2014 format. and quite honestly, the ruination and spychanger toys from the original rid line were the weakest of the line on account of being g1 toys.

:-? That's actually a really good idea, those molds fit well. My one critique is that the lack of Beast Molds in CW makes an RID homage not totally possible. That being said I don't think anyone would care.
Also this is not very timely, but does anyone else wish they ended up making a Towline? from the Electro mold a few years ago? Or even a Hubcap? He was the only unique character to Machine Wars after all.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738257)
Posted by TF_JW on October 31st, 2015 @ 10:00am CDT
Don't mistake my personal comments about the original Tripredacus toy as a comment from Fun Publications themselves. I happen to hold those figures in high regard.

But yes, Fun Publications' decision did come from the fact that there has been no physical representation of the show models. And Combiner Wars figures seemed like a good way to explore them.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738263)
Posted by Railbomb on October 31st, 2015 @ 10:54am CDT
I'm not entirely upset about this set. It's in no way horrible but I would have much rather had more figures from the Thrilling 30 molds. They could have used Centuritron for Tripredacus, Onyx Primal from Jhiaxus, Ravage from Skids or Bumblebee, Blacharachnia from Chromia, Silverbolt from BH Grimwing or Springer/Sandstorm, Transmutate from Whirl, Airrazor from Windblade, Evil Rhinox from Rhinox, Cybershark from Sky-Byte, Buzzsaw from Waspinator. I could probably go on with even more toy only characters and some BWII and Neo stuff but I'll stop here. They had a lot of other options for this set.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738264)
Posted by SG Roadbuster on October 31st, 2015 @ 11:06am CDT
welcometothedarksyde wrote:
SG Roadbuster wrote:i know this is the beast wars 20th anniversary, but its also RID/Car Robots 15th anniversary. and those characters would have been much better suited to the combiner wars molds. gimmie sec and I can brainstorm up something.......

boxset-"Ruination Awakens"
Mega Octane-from Onlsaught
Rotor-from Alpha bravo
Movor-From Skydive (new head)
Armorhide-from Brawl (use toy colours, they look more interesting)
Rollbar-from Swindle, or Offroad if you want him to look different from Hound
Storm Jet from Cyclonus (new bot mode and combiner heads combiner head based on Grand Mal Megatron in homage to the original Storm Jet's Vehicon roots)

souvenir set 1
Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime from Hot Spot (new combiner head)
Spychanger Ironhide from Offroad
Spychanger Mirage from Drag Strip (new head)

souvenir set 2
REV from Breakdown (new head)
WARS from Streetwise

souvenir set 3
Hotshot from Deadend
Crosswise from Wheeljack


attendee figure
Side Swipe from Deadend (new head)

custom class
Daytonus from Wheeljack

i literally came up with that in five minutes. creating 3 full combiners between the boxset and souvenirs using the 2014 format. and quite honestly, the ruination and spychanger toys from the original rid line were the weakest of the line on account of being g1 toys.


:-? That's actually a really good idea, those molds fit well. My one critique is that the lack of Beast Molds in CW makes an RID homage not totally possible. That being said I don't think anyone would care.
Also this is not very timely, but does anyone else wish they ended up making a Towline? from the Electro mold a few years ago? Or even a Hubcap? He was the only unique character to Machine Wars after all.


as for Beasts, why not use Beast Hunters? Laserback as Slapper, Skystalker as Darkscream, Ripclaw as Gasskunk, and Predaking as Gigatron.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738265)
Posted by Doctor McGrath on October 31st, 2015 @ 11:16am CDT
SG Roadbuster wrote:i know this is the beast wars 20th anniversary, but its also RID/Car Robots 15th anniversary. and those characters would have been much better suited to the combiner wars molds. gimmie sec and I can brainstorm up something.......

boxset-"Ruination Awakens"
Mega Octane-from Onlsaught
Rotor-from Alpha bravo
Movor-From Skydive (new head)
Armorhide-from Brawl (use toy colours, they look more interesting)
Rollbar-from Swindle, or Offroad if you want him to look different from Hound
Storm Jet from Cyclonus (new bot mode and combiner heads combiner head based on Grand Mal Megatron in homage to the original Storm Jet's Vehicon roots)

souvenir set 1
Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime from Hot Spot (new combiner head)
Spychanger Ironhide from Offroad
Spychanger Mirage from Drag Strip (new head)

souvenir set 2
REV from Breakdown (new head)
WARS from Streetwise

souvenir set 3
Hotshot from Deadend
Crosswise from Wheeljack


attendee figure
Side Swipe from Deadend (new head)

custom class
Daytonus from Wheeljack

i literally came up with that in five minutes. creating 3 full combiners between the boxset and souvenirs using the 2014 format. and quite honestly, the ruination and spychanger toys from the original rid line were the weakest of the line on account of being g1 toys.


Now this would have been something to get excited over.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738268)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 31st, 2015 @ 11:34am CDT
SG Roadbuster wrote:i know this is the beast wars 20th anniversary, but its also RID/Car Robots 15th anniversary.
2015 is the 15th anniversary. Car Robots debuted in 2000.


Railbomb wrote:I'm not entirely upset about this set. It's in no way horrible but I would have much rather had more figures from the Thrilling 30 molds. They could have used Centuritron for Tripredacus,
Making the Council guys be smaller than everyone else?

Railbomb wrote:Blacharachnia from Chromia, Silverbolt from BH Grimwing or Springer/Sandstorm,
Both of them were born on Earth.

Railbomb wrote:Transmutate from Whirl, Airrazor from Windblade,
They've already made toys of Transmutate and Airazor.

Yes, they're giving us another Tarantulas, but the backlash towards that redundancy furthers my point.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738290)
Posted by Deadput on October 31st, 2015 @ 1:49pm CDT
1984forever wrote:Fun pub has to know that they're going to lose money on this set.



You say this like your actually right about anything.


You'r not a Beast Wars fan (or well fan a fan of anything) you kinda have no place to say what is going to happen when it comes to sells.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738296)
Posted by Deadput on October 31st, 2015 @ 2:09pm CDT
MisterNewUzer wrote:This is a crock of bull, two toys in this box set already prove that, not to mention countless other toys from previous Botcons:

Transmetal Tarantulas and Ravage/Jaguar XJ9 already exist, we should give them completely garish and awful paintjobs because they have toys that exist.

Hey, Scorponok already has an existing G1 toy, let's just paint him purple!

Hey, Clench has an existing toy, let's make him resemble Optimus Prime instead!

This 2006 Games of Deception set is gonna be the bee's knees! But Dirge and Thrust already have toys, so let's not bother remolding them and just make them straight repaints of the Starscream mold, they'll love that!




That is just lazy and uninformed. I had hope in a great set before, now I'm putting my money towards something more thought out.






The hell are you rambling on about?


What you said does not make sense.





1: They have toys yes but Agent Ravage himself does not have a modern mold Alternators does not fit with classics.




2: That Scorponok did not have a modern articulated counterpart like Metroplex dpes and that mold did not have a G1 repaint already and they gave it a headmaster function.



3: How the hell does Clench look like Optimus Prime? He really doesn't.




4: Neither Dirge or Thrust were straight redecos of Starscream and at the time they did not have the classics update and Thrust does have remolding.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738300)
Posted by Ultra Markus on October 31st, 2015 @ 3:12pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:so what is the combiner torso mode going to look like?


Like Superion, only in red and grey >:oP
With some of Tarantulas's colors integrated to make all five components look good together.

i was hoping for a new head sculpt
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738303)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 31st, 2015 @ 3:24pm CDT
Ultra Markus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:so what is the combiner torso mode going to look like?


Like Superion, only in red and grey >:oP
With some of Tarantulas's colors integrated to make all five components look good together.

i was hoping for a new head sculpt
It'll have that too. Five new heads, remember?
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738309)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 31st, 2015 @ 4:11pm CDT
I honestly think that all the dislike towards this is unjust for the most part, due to frustration stemming from two sources.

1) CW mold fatigue; say what you will, but, I think that deep down, we're all tired of seeing these same d@mn molds already - so seeing them again is only exacerbating the situation. Sure nosecone brawl w/ a drill is new (and only seeing one release) and scattershot is 'new', but considering that they are taking up at least 2 waves of next year and the tfcc set, I think I can safely say that everyone is more than a little tired of hasbro pushing these on us and funpub.

2) Hasbro ignoring the BW anniversary, thus making it someone else's issue to deal with. A bunch of d!ck moves out of hasbro lately. Not releasing extra :CON: limbs for all of our spare torso's we bought, and now, ignoring the anniversary of a beloved series that salvaged the brand just so they could cram more gimmick-laden G1 crap down our throats :BANG_HEAD:
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738318)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 31st, 2015 @ 4:27pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:I honestly think that all the dislike towards this is unjust for the most part, due to frustration stemming from two sources.

1) CW mold fatigue; say what you will, but, I think that deep down, we're all tired of seeing these same d@mn molds already - so seeing them again is only exacerbating the situation. Sure nosecone brawl w/ a drill is new (and only seeing one release) and scattershot is 'new', but considering that they are taking up at least 2 waves of next year and the tfcc set, I think I can safely say that everyone is more than a little tired of hasbro pushing these on us and funpub.

2) Hasbro ignoring the BW anniversary, thus making it someone else's issue to deal with. A bunch of d!ck moves out of hasbro lately. Not releasing extra :CON: limbs for all of our spare torso's we bought, and now, ignoring the anniversary of a beloved series that salvaged the brand just so they could cram more gimmick-laden G1 crap down our throats :BANG_HEAD:
There's one more sentiment I feel is at play here that thankfully is no longer as common as it used to be but still crops up every now and then:

3) Trukk not Munky! - The pro-G1, anti-BW (and anti-non-G1 in general) sentiment that has been in this fandom since 1996. It's quieted down over the years but still pops up every now and then whenever something wildly different from G1 shows up like the movies, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, etc. Of course, this sentiment seems to only come from the most irrational corners of the fandom while the majority is more mature and respectful towards the brand's diversity.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738342)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 31st, 2015 @ 5:39pm CDT
I do agree about the mold fatigue (I feel it despite still liking figures), the beast wars anniversary ignorance and the whole not-G1 thing. It it all a good argument. Hell, look at all the backlash from beast wars thrilling 30 figures. they don't get much respect :BOT:
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738369)
Posted by MisterNewUzer on October 31st, 2015 @ 9:07pm CDT
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
MisterNewUzer wrote:This is a crock of bull, two toys in this box set already prove that, not to mention countless other toys from previous Botcons:

Transmetal Tarantulas and Ravage/Jaguar XJ9 already exist, we should give them completely garish and awful paintjobs because they have toys that exist.

Hey, Scorponok already has an existing G1 toy, let's just paint him purple!

Hey, Clench has an existing toy, let's make him resemble Optimus Prime instead!

This 2006 Games of Deception set is gonna be the bee's knees! But Dirge and Thrust already have toys, so let's not bother remolding them and just make them straight repaints of the Starscream mold, they'll love that!




That is just lazy and uninformed. I had hope in a great set before, now I'm putting my money towards something more thought out.






The hell are you rambling on about?


What you said does not make sense.





1: They have toys yes but Agent Ravage himself does not have a modern mold Alternators does not fit with classics.




2: That Scorponok did not have a modern articulated counterpart like Metroplex dpes and that mold did not have a G1 repaint already and they gave it a headmaster function.



3: How the hell does Clench look like Optimus Prime? He really doesn't.




4: Neither Dirge or Thrust were straight redecos of Starscream and at the time they did not have the classics update and Thrust does have remolding.


It makes sense in the context of the interviewees comment, in case you missed it (which obviously you did)

He essentially stated that because they have existing toys in the existing colors already, they needed to do something different. which is nonsense, obviously, because all of the toys I mentioned have existing toys and got updated figures via Botcon with mostly accurate colors.

So to respond to your misinformed statements:

I was obviously speaking in rhetorical nonsense, making statements in line with his previous "oh it already exists so let's do something different with this character" statement.

1- Jaguar X-9 exists, and though he doesn't quite fit in with "classics" as you stated, we're not talking about CHUG, this is about updates of characters who had pre-existing toys. The new Ravage in this Botcon set has a very similar visage to X-9.
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2- You're really missing the point here. If were to follow the nonsensical "it exists so lets make it different instead" logic, we would have the folks at Botcon making similar statements about a Purple Scorponok...

3- ... a Red and Blue Clench figure...

4- ...and Starscream repaints of the coneheads with no remolding at all.


HOWEVER, as you deigned to try and point out to me that which I was already aware of, none of those things exist, thankfully. INSTEAD, the Botcon guys said "oh, these folks all have existing toys... but instead of doing something completely different and off the wall with them, lets give them a GOOD modern update.

Which is what should be happening with the Tripredacus Council. Instead we're getting something that's based on colors nobody can even agree on the characters actually being or if it was a lighting issue.

You need to learn what sarcasm is, and practice your reading comprehension, friend.
Re: TF Club (Fun Pub) answers fans' questions regarding "Dawn of the Predacus" BotCon 2016 set (1738370)
Posted by Doctor McGrath on October 31st, 2015 @ 9:26pm CDT
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
1984forever wrote:Fun pub has to know that they're going to lose money on this set.



You say this like your actually right about anything.


You'r not a Beast Wars fan (or well fan a fan of anything) you kinda have no place to say what is going to happen when it comes to sells.


*you're
**sales

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