TFClub Updates: DSLR, Project Deva, PCC WWII Figures

awesome! a lot of that looks like stuff i want, haha.
Even though the limbs for bombshock have some wierd robot modes for the planes, if it ends up looking good, damn... lucky people who have bombshock.
And the rest is obviously killer... that Reflector makes me wonder how we're getting 2 3rd party reflectors so close to each other...

and the price for bombshock soars!

honestly though, those limbs make him look 100 times better

I don't usually get in on this, but just in case there is an official Has/Tak person, or anyone who knows enough, reading this; I have a genuine question:

If a third-party company can concieve, design and produce this Devastator (with full articulation and intergrated combiner parts) why can't Hasbro?
I understand it would be expensive to produce and price even for an official product, and I understand companies not wanting to put risk items on shelves in case they don't sell-but surely this is a no-brainer? They had the perfect chance to market the hell out of the name Devastator after ROTF. What child after seeing that awesome monster on the screen wouldn't light up at the sight of any toy box carrying the name? (put him in generations/RTS?) And anyone with a brain knows collectors would (and do!) want this!
They'd be selling to both sides of the fence, surley.

I know marketing tactics are weird, I've had some brief experience. But seriously?
And, from pics of the individual bots, aren't they scout or deluxe? The full size of Devy wouldn't cause problems with toy safety stuff, would it? Again, ROTF Devy was safe enough to sell.

It makes you wonder how this is happening...

Forget Bombshock, Heavytread is having those limbs when I get them.

Not Devastator looks glorious and is hopefully not too expensive. I may have to go halves with a collecting buddy to get this guy.

OMFGWNIT...

PCC Bruticus suddenly sucks alot less... seriously.. I bought Bruticus and Defensor, matched the limbs energon style.....and now.. It's for naught...

That is sexy... Like it could stand next to FP bruticus sexy..(not too close tho')

If the Reflector isn't a midget I'll be interested..

and D.E.V.A.S.T.A.T.O.R.
(You told your wife you got her the new 12" Devastator for her birthday,
imagine her disappointment when she opens it to find this...)-Toyfare

I want that Project Deva as my updated version of the Constructicons. I don't think anyone else is doing a Constructicon combiner team.

I think the DSLR camera is a better looking version than what Perfect Effect is releasing. But I'm still gonna pass on it, I already have the PE camera on pre-order.

As I said in another topic (or this one, not sure), the WWII combaticons is a reason to finally get the PCCs but I'm still gonna pass on them. I don't want another update version for the Combaticon team.

Looking forward to this even more seeing a real combined mode. Having PCC Bombshock and the combaticons, I can agree it looks 100 times better now!
As someone above mentioned, Heavy Tread would also be a good torso. Specially since he is a bit thicker in torso mode with a larger head than Bombshock. May look a little more well proportioned. Planning on getting 2 sets myself. One for Bombshock and one to possibly be painted up as the Desert Camo Ruination. Have the Autobot version of Bombshock. Don't recall his name but definitely looks like a Ruination Piece.

Why does every 3rd party company want to make awesome limbs for a crappy Onslaught torso ??? And in this particular case, they might as well have just gone for the whole combiner like they are doing with Devestator.

Devastator looks sweet, but my bank account is going to hate me for a long time I imagine.

Gonna pass on the PCC, the FP Bruticus add-ons are an act that just can't be followed. Guess I can safely ditch those PCC sets I've been hanging onto now. I wonder if anyone is working on a Stunticon version for the Crankcase set?

Have any robot mode pics of their Reflector version been released? Though I honestly can't imagine anything surpassing the PE set.

I'll be purchasing all three of these projects.

El Duque wrote:I'll be purchasing all three of these projects.

I wholeheartedly agree and will be mimicking the above post.

Fistful of Energon wrote:and the price for bombshock soars!

honestly though, those limbs make him look 100 times better

Glad I already bought one; Steelshot too.

munkimus prime wrote:Forget Bombshock, Heavytread is having those limbs when I get them.

Eh, Heavytread is too modern a tank. He doesn't really fit in with the others' aesthetics.

Ooh Not-Devy's looking hot.

Hope its not too expensive. The rest I really have no need for.

hinomars19 wrote:I don't usually get in on this, but just in case there is an official Has/Tak person, or anyone who knows enough, reading this; I have a genuine question:

If a third-party company can concieve, design and produce this Devastator (with full articulation and intergrated combiner parts) why can't Hasbro?
I understand it would be expensive to produce and price even for an official product, and I understand companies not wanting to put risk items on shelves in case they don't sell-but surely this is a no-brainer? They had the perfect chance to market the hell out of the name Devastator after ROTF. What child after seeing that awesome monster on the screen wouldn't light up at the sight of any toy box carrying the name? (put him in generations/RTS?) And anyone with a brain knows collectors would (and do!) want this!
They'd be selling to both sides of the fence, surley.

I know marketing tactics are weird, I've had some brief experience. But seriously?
And, from pics of the individual bots, aren't they scout or deluxe? The full size of Devy wouldn't cause problems with toy safety stuff, would it? Again, ROTF Devy was safe enough to sell.

It makes you wonder how this is happening...

Ahh, the question that all of us collectors ask but Hasbro/Takara rarely comes right out and answers. Basically it boils down to the fact that despite how many of us collectors there are out there, kids still outnumber us but a huge margin and Corporate is going to follow the numbers. They are perfectly capable of producing the stuff but in the long run it's just not as profitable as kicking out stuff they figure will appeal to the legions of 5 to 10 year olds that will whine/badger their parents out of 10 or 20 dollars/pounds/quid/euros or whatever.
Yeah it sucks but we are still in the minority and are going to have to miss out on a lot of what we think is cool stuff because of it. While they could give us all the parts for Devs in the Generations line, again it would likely be only the collectors completing the set so it's not worth it to invest in a gimmick when they could make more stuff to appeal to the younger crowd.

Yet another reason why being a grown-up really really sucks!

Marketing woes and my complaining about aging (on the eve of my birthday, go figure) aside I have to say that I'm digging these PCC figures and the Not Devastator is starting to look more and more amazing. My wallet is weeping already.

^^ Not to mention if Hasbro did this and charged $500-600 "we" would probably throw a friggin' sissy fit of epic proportions. As T-Mack stated, they're perfectly capable, it's just not necessarily in their best interest...and probably couldn't put out the same figure and still adhere to safety laws.

I retract my previous statement about the PCC limbs. The symmetrical look and the articulated hands actually look pretty good.

I still need to see more of the Reflector team. The fact that it actually looks like a digital camera in alt mode does nothing for me.

Devastator looks pretty solid. Still wanting to see more.

T-Macksimus wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:I don't usually get in on this, but just in case there is an official Has/Tak person, or anyone who knows enough, reading this; I have a genuine question:

If a third-party company can concieve, design and produce this Devastator (with full articulation and intergrated combiner parts) why can't Hasbro?
I understand it would be expensive to produce and price even for an official product, and I understand companies not wanting to put risk items on shelves in case they don't sell-but surely this is a no-brainer? They had the perfect chance to market the hell out of the name Devastator after ROTF. What child after seeing that awesome monster on the screen wouldn't light up at the sight of any toy box carrying the name? (put him in generations/RTS?) And anyone with a brain knows collectors would (and do!) want this!
They'd be selling to both sides of the fence, surley.

I know marketing tactics are weird, I've had some brief experience. But seriously?
And, from pics of the individual bots, aren't they scout or deluxe? The full size of Devy wouldn't cause problems with toy safety stuff, would it? Again, ROTF Devy was safe enough to sell.

It makes you wonder how this is happening...

Ahh, the question that all of us collectors ask but Hasbro/Takara rarely comes right out and answers. Basically it boils down to the fact that despite how many of us collectors there are out there, kids still outnumber us but a huge margin and Corporate is going to follow the numbers. They are perfectly capable of producing the stuff but in the long run it's just not as profitable as kicking out stuff they figure will appeal to the legions of 5 to 10 year olds that will whine/badger their parents out of 10 or 20 dollars/pounds/quid/euros or whatever.
Yeah it sucks but we are still in the minority and are going to have to miss out on a lot of what we think is cool stuff because of it. While they could give us all the parts for Devs in the Generations line, again it would likely be only the collectors completing the set so it's not worth it to invest in a gimmick when they could make more stuff to appeal to the younger crowd.

Yet another reason why being a grown-up really really sucks!

Marketing woes and my complaining about aging (on the eve of my birthday, go figure) aside I have to say that I'm digging these PCC figures and the Not Devastator is starting to look more and more amazing. My wallet is weeping already.

well I thank you for your attention and your reply, but this was exactly my point. Being aware of all these points ROTF would have been a really good point to capitalise on these rules they face. Surely 5-10 year old kids would pester parents silly for anything saying Devastator. NO?
I've had first hand experience at this, which is why I avoid the issue usually. I'm not the odd whiny collector who thinks he is (or should be) top of their sales list. And I realise plenty of good peeps at hasbro and takara are doing their best to give people what they want, as I did when I was a designer faced with corporate twaddle. The recent RTS/Generations Jazz, thunderwing and all alike are proof that they are trying. It's also a bit irritating for them to think the way they do about kids. We were never rich, which is why I never had as many TFS as I wanted when I was a kid. To be fair, nearly all my kiddie collection were odd TFS that had little or no show pressence-but I didn't care! There was a TF on the shelf and I wanted it! Generation gap or no...that still has to ring true for a good portion of kids, right? Or am I just being difficult now?
Ah well. Just my 2 cents...maybe I just needed a vent.
Thanks again mate. Sadly, whilst like yourself they do look nifty, I think I'll end up being beaten by the prices.

Kibble wrote:^^ Not to mention if Hasbro did this and charged $500-600 "we" would probably throw a friggin' sissy fit of epic proportions. As T-Mack stated, they're perfectly capable, it's just not necessarily in their best interest...and probably couldn't put out the same figure and still adhere to safety laws.

But it wouldn't need to cost anywhere near $500 if it was official would it?
And this devy isn't gonna break the supreme class size either is it? I thought rough comparison shots put them around deluxe size each? Supreme starscreams arms and legs are biger than deluxes.
Or am I just talking out my ar*e again?

Devy just keeps getting better and better. Just Mixmaster left to check out now. And any accessories (at least a chest shield & gun I would hope).

hinomars19 wrote:

Kibble wrote:^^ Not to mention if Hasbro did this and charged $500-600 "we" would probably throw a friggin' sissy fit of epic proportions. As T-Mack stated, they're perfectly capable, it's just not necessarily in their best interest...and probably couldn't put out the same figure and still adhere to safety laws.

But it wouldn't need to cost anywhere near $500 if it was official would it?
And this devy isn't gonna break the supreme class size either is it? I thought rough comparison shots put them around deluxe size each? Supreme starscreams arms and legs are biger than deluxes.
Or am I just talking out my ar*e again?

I'm afraid only half out of that rear end.

You see, the cost mainly comes from:

- Length of Development
- Size and Number of pieces on the toys
- Number and size of Production Runs
- Promotion, including commercials, TV shows and comics.

Factors that influence the above include:
- Target Audience and by extension, projected sales.
- Local Toy Safety Laws

All is tied within a budget, and the development of a proper Devastator would take so much resources, it would probably take the budget of a line and a half! Can't really do much with a line consisting of a single figure, can you?

hinomars19 wrote:But it wouldn't need to cost anywhere near $500 if it was official would it?
And this devy isn't gonna break the supreme class size either is it? I thought rough comparison shots put them around deluxe size each? Supreme starscreams arms and legs are biger than deluxes.
Or am I just talking out my ar*e again?

The point is it's not really worth their while. How much could they possibly charge and have it still sell well? You get much above $100 and parents aren't going to buy it, if they'd even buy it at $100. And if they only sell it for $100 they're not getting nearly the return on investment as just doing something else...if it would even be profitable at all. Sure, the collectors would buy them up, but how many sales does that amount to? Your only hope for official would be for Takara to take it on as they cater more toward the collector...and if they do it, I guarantee it'll be a lot more than $100. Which gets back to is it really a project worth their while or is there something easier and more profitable?

well i have long since removed the normal pcc limbs from bomb shock. but these new limbs look spectacular. Depending on price im definitely buying some. Maybe a heavy tread to go with it, but only if i can find one for a good price, im not busting my chops looking for him.

I like the PCC limbs, but I won't be putting them on Bombshock. Maybe Steelshot.

I'm diggin' the way Deva looks, but I'm not really thrilled with Scrapper. The arms especially bug me...

DEVA is an instant buy for me.

The limbs... maybe. Nice standalone figures. Still not interested in PCC.

The camera... no. I've got PE on preorder and that's fine for me.

Cripes... I am going to be broke..

I just wonder if bombshock's robot mode is in scale with the limbs robot modes? If all 5 are the same size that would be fantastic

I'm really liking nearly everything here. My only nitpick is for the Dev and it's minor. I really hope he's going to have the purple chest shield. Otherwise, looking really good! I keep waffling between 3rd party Reflectors and which to buy, I'd really like to see the final product on these before ruling them out. The Power Core limbs are an interesting concept but who really works with them? They're WWII styled vehicles. None of the commanders have been anything from that era. As far as I would recognize anyway.

Droooling....... Only one Im shifty about is the reflector..Decisions decisions! Deva is a no brainer, I've already started saving for it and the bombshock upgrades? Win..Gives the pcc some definition..Win Win WIn....

The PCC figure does actually look pretty impressive, but lucky for my wallet, I don't think it really has enough of a place in my collection. I mean, I'd happily buy it at retail prices just because it's cool, but considering it'll probably be more like $100+, he'd need to fill a legitimate spot in my Classics collection.

PCC brut does look fantastic but steelshot/bombshock are terrible figures. Definitely buying the full Dev set when it comes out, hopefully it'll be successful enough to formulate a Bruticus and/or Superion set

synthetik wrote:PCC brut does look fantastic but steelshot/bombshock are terrible figures. Definitely buying the full Dev set when it comes out, hopefully it'll be successful enough to formulate a Bruticus and/or Superion set

I'll disagree with you on Bomshock/Steelshot. Of all the PCC commanders, they have some detail in them to be the smallest of the commanders. I think Bomshock as a central figure looks and connects well. The others are so wonky like they weren't meant to connect.

I would have preferred Fansproject to do it, but they have their own things to work on.

Now the bigger dilemma will come down to whether the Crossfire03 set by FP will be worth the money to buy if you didn't have Energon or Classics Devastator, or just go out and get this set. Though FP's project should be brilliancy, this Deva' is a better representation. I really want it. Please let the quality be on par with FP.

Flux Convoy wrote:The Power Core limbs are an interesting concept but who really works with them? They're WWII styled vehicles. None of the commanders have been anything from that era. As far as I would recognize anyway.

Bombshock's mold is just vague enough to pass for a WWII vehicle, which seems to be what TFclub is thinking too. Huffer's artillery truck altmode is also a good match, but his colorscheme is a little too loud for these guys.

bvzxa wrote:Now the bigger dilemma will come down to whether the Crossfire03 set by FP will be worth the money to buy if you didn't have Energon or Classics Devastator, or just go out and get this set. Though FP's project should be brilliancy, this Deva' is a better representation. I really want it. Please let the quality be on par with FP.

Yes...because it's not going to be for Dev...at least not according to Venksta, who's pretty plugged in with the on goings of FP.

Kibble wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Now the bigger dilemma will come down to whether the Crossfire03 set by FP will be worth the money to buy if you didn't have Energon or Classics Devastator, or just go out and get this set. Though FP's project should be brilliancy, this Deva' is a better representation. I really want it. Please let the quality be on par with FP.

Yes...because it's not going to be for Dev...at least not according to Venksta, who's pretty plugged in with the on goings of FP.

Agreed, it isn't set in stone to be Devy. But I'm not certain anyone has come out and said it wasn't either. Venksta has said things to make it seem it was and wasn't so I don't know what to think.

Last I saw, he came straight out and said it wasn't. Apparently another group will be giving it a shot, though.

amcgrath929 wrote:

Kibble wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Now the bigger dilemma will come down to whether the Crossfire03 set by FP will be worth the money to buy if you didn't have Energon or Classics Devastator, or just go out and get this set. Though FP's project should be brilliancy, this Deva' is a better representation. I really want it. Please let the quality be on par with FP.

Yes...because it's not going to be for Dev...at least not according to Venksta, who's pretty plugged in with the on goings of FP.

Agreed, it isn't set in stone to be Devy. But I'm not certain anyone has come out and said it wasn't either. Venksta has said things to make it seem it was and wasn't so I don't know what to think.

I believe FP actually said themselves they wouldn't be doing Devastator and that Crossfire 03 had nothing to do with Combiners. One of the reasons for not doing Devastator is that they stated they won't be tackling projects others are already doing since their G3 trailer tanked due to the BTS Classics Prime trailer.

Dead Metal wrote:

amcgrath929 wrote:

Kibble wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Now the bigger dilemma will come down to whether the Crossfire03 set by FP will be worth the money to buy if you didn't have Energon or Classics Devastator, or just go out and get this set. Though FP's project should be brilliancy, this Deva' is a better representation. I really want it. Please let the quality be on par with FP.

Yes...because it's not going to be for Dev...at least not according to Venksta, who's pretty plugged in with the on goings of FP.

Agreed, it isn't set in stone to be Devy. But I'm not certain anyone has come out and said it wasn't either. Venksta has said things to make it seem it was and wasn't so I don't know what to think.

I believe FP actually said themselves they wouldn't be doing Devastator and that Crossfire 03 had nothing to do with Combiners. One of the reasons for not doing Devastator is that they stated they won't be tackling projects others are already doing since their G3 trailer tanked due to the BTS Classics Prime trailer.

That sucks about the trailer. I still want one but I don't have a way to display it. I didn't like the BTS trailer at all.

I guess I jumped on the bandwagon of thinking Crossfire 03 would be Devastator. That's cool because every time I see this Devastator it makes me glad I sold my Walmart set. I still have the Target Constructicons I got from CP which I am fond of, but if this project comes to light...I will have a true Deva'.

Off topic a bit:
I would love to see some original designs into a combiner. If Cx03 is a new group, aww man I can't wait because I want to recreate Scramble City so bad...my wallet must be fortified!!!

bvzxa wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

amcgrath929 wrote:

Kibble wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Now the bigger dilemma will come down to whether the Crossfire03 set by FP will be worth the money to buy if you didn't have Energon or Classics Devastator, or just go out and get this set. Though FP's project should be brilliancy, this Deva' is a better representation. I really want it. Please let the quality be on par with FP.

Yes...because it's not going to be for Dev...at least not according to Venksta, who's pretty plugged in with the on goings of FP.

Agreed, it isn't set in stone to be Devy. But I'm not certain anyone has come out and said it wasn't either. Venksta has said things to make it seem it was and wasn't so I don't know what to think.

I believe FP actually said themselves they wouldn't be doing Devastator and that Crossfire 03 had nothing to do with Combiners. One of the reasons for not doing Devastator is that they stated they won't be tackling projects others are already doing since their G3 trailer tanked due to the BTS Classics Prime trailer.

That sucks about the trailer. I still want one but I don't have a way to display it. I didn't like the BTS trailer at all.

I guess I jumped on the bandwagon of thinking Crossfire 03 would be Devastator. That's cool because every time I see this Devastator it makes me glad I sold my Walmart set. I still have the Target Constructicons I got from CP which I am fond of, but if this project comes to light...I will have a true Deva'.

Off topic a bit:
I would love to see some original designs into a combiner. If Cx03 is a new group, aww man I can't wait because I want to recreate Scramble City so bad...my wallet must be fortified!!!

He means the sales tanked, not the trailer. The trailer itself is amazing.

I recall them saying that at Botcon a couple years ago I believe. Then Venksta came out and said they changed their mind and to not be surprised if we saw it first in green. Shortly after he said that, he came out and pretty much retracted the entire statement. So, who knows really. It will be impressive most likely no matter what it is.

My biggest pull for them to do it is scale. The TFC Devastator will most likely be cool, but out of scale with all the other combiners I own.

TFC Toys made quite a showing at a recent toy convention in China. They had many of their upcoming unofficial Transformer related products on display including the one you're probably most interested in hearing about Project Deva, or as he's now called Hercules. We see him in fully combined mode........sort of, he's assembled using two Structors (aka Scrapper) and two Scavengers. They've also given their own names to Hook, now known as Dr. Crank, and Longhaul, now known as Heavylabor. Structor is also seen in both modes.









Also on display were their WWII style PCC upgrade limbs. We see them in full color, in both modes, and combined with PCC Commanders Heavytread and Bombshock.









Here we see their Reflector-esque trio DSLR in a black deco and it appears their lens accessory transforms into a weapon of some sort with a light-up feature.





Not wanting to miss out on repaint opportunities we see Ultra Magnus, Thundercracker, and Skywarp Targetroids and a black version of Primars.



Lastly Junkion Blacksmith had their upcoming Headmasters on display.

The PCC limbs look amazing on Heavytread. I am definitely going to have another autobot combiner. Save not-Scrapper, I think the individual bot modes of the notConstructicons look bad. Im not impressed with them. Devastator on the other hand, very impressed. He is huge.

Reflector looks like crap to me. Easy pass.

Hercules Hercules Hercules

...

Please, sir. May I have some more? Bonecrusher and Mixmaster?

Love Doctor Crank, too.

Im not a fan of the PCC line and have never picked up a set, but the new limbs these guys are putting out are making me lean towards picking up Bombshock. They look awesome. Im not entirely sold on thier individual robot modes but there would be only way to display these guys anyway.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hercules Hercules Hercules

That is exactly what I thought of!

Hercules, is art! I love Hercules. Perhaps it is because he resembles some other decepticon combiner... Oh well Hercules is my favorite combiner!!!!

I'm not a fan of the PCC line either, but those units attached to Heavytread look pretty damn cool. Not enough for me to invest, but a vast improvement.

Apart from giving us our first idea of what a complete Devastator would look like, aswell as names, they haven't really given us anything new (i.e. RELEASE DATE & PRICE!!!!!)

And I wouldn't be surprised if that all-black colour scheme on the DSLR will put a lot of its supporters off.

I'm liking the not-Ultra Magnus, not-Blaster and not-Megatron Headmasters are looking pretty sweet; I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to DO with them though.

Also no-one seems to have mentioned the Ultra Magnus-style repaint of Opti-aim (or whatever the Convoy-inspired Targetmaster ended up being called); have we seen it before, and what will it come packaged with if they stick to two-pack shakers selling these).

Very impressed overall, especially with Hercules.

every time I see these PCC limbbots, I want them more. I like the added touch of each one wearing the symbol of their vehicle mode's origin.

HA!! i love it.

Hasbro should hang there head in shame. Or at least take some notes on what combiners are supposed to look like when they see what these guys are puttin out.

It's not as hard as Hasbro seems to make it.

Get to Target if you haven't got a Bombshock figure. They have the same mold on clearance. It's called: Steelshot w/ Beacon. It's the exact same mold but as an Autobot Variant.

Devastator is going to devastate by bank account. Based off of the sheer size and detail, he'll be going for several hundreds of dollars, if not over a thousand, for the set.

The new camera trio looks very nice but I think it lacks something. Maybe it's a little too modern looking, I'm not sure.

It'd be nice if they gave an approximate price range for these. If for nothing else than to know how much we'll need to save, make, and/or spend to get them.