Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys
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It's your friendly neighborhood megatronus here, and I'm honored to bring you a momentous, subjective, and totally non-scientific Top 5 'Black Convoy' toys list!
Before we get into the nitty gritty, a few disclaimers. First, many modern 'Black Convoy' toys are overseas or convention exclusives (or both!), and I apologize if some of my selections are inaccessible as a result. Second, the brief history below represents my own limited knowledge - if I'm wrong on the facts, I welcome your corrections. Finally, as with all Top 5 lists, this list is solely representative of the author's opinions and sensibilities. I invite you to disagree with my choices and post your own personal favorites in the thread below.
BACKGROUND
Let's dive into a brief history and taxonomy of black Optimus Prime repaints. From my amateur perspective, the platonic ideal of 'Black Convoy' draws from 3 main sources:
History Lesson 1: 2001 C-307X Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime
Released as a TRU exclusive in Japan circa 2001, this redeco of Takara's 1988 Super Ginrai was later recolored into Fire Guts Super Ginrai (2002) and Commemorative Series II Powermaster Optimus Prime (2003). Like his brethren, Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime is a good guy; his tech spec states he's merely Convoy in sexy black undergarments:
Despite remaining the same Prime we all know and love, this impressive 'Black Convoy' introduces details that would become hallmarks of 'Black Convoy' toys to come, notably the red chest and chrome/silver accents.
Nucleon Quest? Would could possibly go wrong???
History Lesson 2: 2001 Robots in Disguise Scourge
This character is a titan in the minds of many 'Black Convoy' collectors. He's not a Prime at all, however, but rather an entirely separate character in the vaulted Robots In Disguise cartoon of the early aughts. A protoform corrupted with Decepticon programming scanned Optimus Prime, and thusly the no-good copy cat doppelgänger Scourge emerged, to great fan fare.
Despite his grim if unoriginal (gasp! evil clone!) backstory and distinct character model (in other words, he's not a straight redeco of RID Optimus figure), Scourge is notable for his use of the G2 Optimus Prime mold - a figure ahead of its time. Plus, Scourge introduces prominent teals to the 'Black Convoy' equation.
Stand tall, not-quite-Prime. Stand tall.
History Lesson 3: 2003 Armada Nemesis Prime
Nemesis Prime marries the simple black redeco concept a la Nucleon Quest Convoy and the evil doppelgänger aspects of Scourge (in fact, his Japanese name is 'Scourge'). Throw in a Unicronian origin (this is Transformers Armada after all) and behold! You have the makings of an epic destroyer.
Unlike RID Scourge, Armada Nemesis Prime is entity of Unicron. But, like RID Scourge, Nemesis takes form by scanning Optimus Prime, the most respected of the Transformers, and becoming his duplicate. Plus, Nemesis can reconstruct himself - he's one bad mama jama.
Nemesis blends design cues from both Nucleon Convoy AND Scourge - we now have the teals and red chest in a single glorious repaint. Well, actually, multiple repaints; the Nemesis Prime character would see other black, red, and teal incarnations within his native Unicron Trilogy continuity (*cough* Universe Nemesis Prime *cough* (2003) *cough*), grounding the Nemesis character into the fandom's collective consciousness.
Will you be my Nemesis?
The rest... is history!
Did I say history? What I meant was complicated. The rest is complicated.
Post-Armada, a gaggle of 'Black Convoy' toys took on a muted teal and blue deco reminiscent of Scourge's infamous RID cartoon appearance. That's right, I'm looking at you, Nightwatch Optimus Prime (2008), Binaltech Nemesis Prime (2007) and SDCC Nemesis Prime (2008). Interestingly, the two Nemesis bios introduced non-Unicronian origins by way of Dr. Arkeville and Straxus, respectively, further muddling the difference between the formerly distinctive Scourge and Nemesis Prime characters.
After this blue period, out came MP1B Masterpiece Optimus Prime Black Version (2009). This figure dons the Nemesis deco, but, like Nightwatch Prime, it's not evil. It's an, err, Eldedroid. Or something.
Since MP1B, Nemesis-decoed Optimi have cropped up every now and then, including TA-01 Optimus Prime Black Ver. (2010), DOTM Jetwing Optimus Prime Black Ver. (2011), and AoE Black Knight Optimus Prime (2015). Good black Optimus Primes also occasionally assume a black, gold, and blue deco, as per ROTF Optimus Prime Black Ver. (2009) and the more recent Elite Guard Optimus Prime (from the TF:Prime first edition voyager).
Nope. Not evil.
But, yes! Even after all that mishigas, evil 'Black Convoy' toys since 2009 have generally rolled up a Scourge-type evil clone backstory in a straight Nemesis-style repaint. There are exceptions (i.e. Lawson exclusives), but black, red, and teal dominate the 'Black Convoy' scene - be it a Nemesis, Scourge, Dark Side, or even just a boring (but beautiful), run-of-the-mill black version of Optimus Prime.
THE LIST
Finally, dear readers, we arrive at the main event - the list of Top 5 'Black Convoy' toys!
Behold! That long slog did not go to waste; it makes my explanation of inclusion criteria that much simpler. You see, for the purposes of this list, I will only consider 'Black Convoys' that check the following two boxes:
***Predominantly black, teal, and red color scheme
***Wicked... looking - that is to say, they may be Autobot aligned, but I could reasonably fudge them for inclusion on a Nemesis shelf for their sheer bad-ass-ery.
To the list!
#5: AD-31B Movie Advanced Black Knight Optimus Prime
The simplified style of AOE (a conversation best left for another day) gave us an underwhelming Leader Class Optimus Prime: smaller, lighter, and less complex. Takara jumped on the opportunity, and remolded Optimus's chest, gave him articulated wrists & hands, and bequeathed him a brand new head sculpt with an interchangeable face. In so doing, Takara saved this figure in the hearts and minds of many collectors.
Then, they painted him black.
Still an Autobot, sure. But now this is an Optimus worthy of "GIVE ME YOUR FACE!" Between the Takara upgrades, sharp deco, translucent red weapons, and a mean looking face, this figure quickly became one of my favorite 'Black Convoy' toys.
#4: Universe Nemesis Prime
A lot has been written about Beast Wars Neo Big Convoy - such is the fate of kibble-tastic shell-formers. But that does not change the fact that this Big Convoy redeco is a beast! Also, he plays an important in the fiction: Nemesis Prime from Armada underwent several iterations within the Unicron Trilogy continuity, and this, boys and girls, is one of them.
Not to mention that this Nemesis Prime - one of the first - is an incredibly fun toy. Between the viking-esque horns, massive gun, and blood red matrix, this surprisingly well articulated recycle of the older Beast Wares Neo figure is the perfect vessel for a bad as bones Nemesis.
Speaking of which, he gets major points for the PG13 blood on those horns, which look evil as all heck. You don't want to be caught out alone on the icy tundra, that's for sure.
#3: Transformers GO! Hunter Nemesis Prime
When Optimus received his life-saving upgrade at the outset of Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters, I knew we'd get a big beefy toy to match Prime's new on-screen chassis. What I didn't realize at the time was how awesome a Nemesis Optimus's new beefy template would make.
In this age of 'big-bads' being physically bigger (and badder), having a brute of a Nemesis is wonderful. He looks tough, a look accentuated by his jagged chest spikes and Megatron-esque pylon shoulders. Nemesis's sword, which in his hands resembles more of a hatchet or machette, only enhances and rounds out this characterization. Then you have the great battle mask, a significant improvement over the original toy's Optimus face, which I can only describe, generously, as derpy. All together, this Nemesis just kills it, in the best way possible.
#2: Tokyo Toy Show United Black Optimus Prime
This one's a Classic. Literally.
Coming some years off the heals of the previous reigning black Classics Prime, SDCC Nemesis Prime (see Blue Period, above), this figure updates this 'Black Convoy' with the more modern, distinctly Nemesis deco. The teals and reds pop, and the greys add some dimension to Prime's black palette.
One of the reasons I selected this figure is just how well the Classics Prime mold has held up all these years. Especially in an environment where so many current lines (Combiner Wars, Titans Return) hark back to G1, the Classics sensibility of updating characters in new ways gives this 'Black Convoy' a sense of being more a Prime look-a-like than the genuine article, which suits this sinister, Decepticon-branded evil Prime just fine on my shelf.
#1: Tokyo Toy Show United Darkside Optimus Prime
Welcome to the dark side! For me, it was really no contest - I love this 'Black Convoy', a lovely and fantastically well done redeco of the War For Cybertron deluxe Optimus Prime figure.
The perennially-popular War For Cybertron design grants this Prime a uniquely organic look. From the panel lines on his battle mask, to the contours of his chest cavity, all the way down to his leg panels, this Prime exudes elegance. His flared out shoulders blend naturally with back wheel kibble that fills out his form and complements his rather graceful stature. All this, combined with a sharp-as-a-knife metallic paint job, and this Darkside 'Black Convoy' packs an out-sized punch for a relatively small deluxe figure.
And yet, with all of these wonderful design cues, we still have a mean, dark, or perhaps downright evil expression. Through the prism of his organic lines, his glare screams of a singular focus and unbridled rage. Of all of the 'Black Convoys' on my list, I consider this one to be the most dangerous. #1, all the way.
Photo Credit: ThunderCougar @ DeviantArt
Runners Up
Yes, there were several 'Black Convoy' figures that didn't make the cut - they were lean, they were mean, but the each had something that made me say,'ehhh...' They are:
-Jetwing Optimus Prime, Black Version: this mold is awesome, this figure is awesome. You know what's not awesome? His lack of battle mask. Had to deduct some badass points for that.
-RID Scourge: yes, he's a progenitor of the 'Black Convoy' genre, and he has aged well - but still, he's a tad too old school for my tastes. I know he would easily make others' lists, just not mine.
-TFCC TFSS 1.0 -OR- LG EX Scourge: the black versions of RTS Laser Prime figure are fierce, but in a scrappy way. I have a harder time finding this mold menacing, even if he checks off several boxes.
-TA01 Animated Optimus Prime, Black Version: this figure is very nearly the complete package, but his huge Autobot symbol really throws me off. His giant axe alone made this figure the hardest call.
-MP10B Black Convoy: this mold is a benchmark in design, and he even has the molded Decepticon symbol. My issue is his head sculpt; it's too neutral, too gentle. Not evil enough - my puppy dog looks meaner than MP10B.
Don't give me that look.
THANK YOU!
That's my list! I hope you enjoyed it.
Did I miss your favorite 'Black Convoy'? Share it with us below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all the latest Transformers news, and the best galleries around!
It's your friendly neighborhood megatronus here, and I'm honored to bring you a momentous, subjective, and totally non-scientific Top 5 'Black Convoy' toys list!
Before we get into the nitty gritty, a few disclaimers. First, many modern 'Black Convoy' toys are overseas or convention exclusives (or both!), and I apologize if some of my selections are inaccessible as a result. Second, the brief history below represents my own limited knowledge - if I'm wrong on the facts, I welcome your corrections. Finally, as with all Top 5 lists, this list is solely representative of the author's opinions and sensibilities. I invite you to disagree with my choices and post your own personal favorites in the thread below.
BACKGROUND
Let's dive into a brief history and taxonomy of black Optimus Prime repaints. From my amateur perspective, the platonic ideal of 'Black Convoy' draws from 3 main sources:
History Lesson 1: 2001 C-307X Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime
Released as a TRU exclusive in Japan circa 2001, this redeco of Takara's 1988 Super Ginrai was later recolored into Fire Guts Super Ginrai (2002) and Commemorative Series II Powermaster Optimus Prime (2003). Like his brethren, Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime is a good guy; his tech spec states he's merely Convoy in sexy black undergarments:
Tech Spec wrote:Abilities: In order for him to extract the super-energy "Nucleon" that exists in black holes, his entire structure is now protected by a phase modulation shield. He can now carry out activity in super-gravitic environments.
Despite remaining the same Prime we all know and love, this impressive 'Black Convoy' introduces details that would become hallmarks of 'Black Convoy' toys to come, notably the red chest and chrome/silver accents.
Nucleon Quest? Would could possibly go wrong???
History Lesson 2: 2001 Robots in Disguise Scourge
This character is a titan in the minds of many 'Black Convoy' collectors. He's not a Prime at all, however, but rather an entirely separate character in the vaulted Robots In Disguise cartoon of the early aughts. A protoform corrupted with Decepticon programming scanned Optimus Prime, and thusly the no-good copy cat doppelgänger Scourge emerged, to great fan fare.
Despite his grim if unoriginal (gasp! evil clone!) backstory and distinct character model (in other words, he's not a straight redeco of RID Optimus figure), Scourge is notable for his use of the G2 Optimus Prime mold - a figure ahead of its time. Plus, Scourge introduces prominent teals to the 'Black Convoy' equation.
Stand tall, not-quite-Prime. Stand tall.
History Lesson 3: 2003 Armada Nemesis Prime
Nemesis Prime marries the simple black redeco concept a la Nucleon Quest Convoy and the evil doppelgänger aspects of Scourge (in fact, his Japanese name is 'Scourge'). Throw in a Unicronian origin (this is Transformers Armada after all) and behold! You have the makings of an epic destroyer.
Unlike RID Scourge, Armada Nemesis Prime is entity of Unicron. But, like RID Scourge, Nemesis takes form by scanning Optimus Prime, the most respected of the Transformers, and becoming his duplicate. Plus, Nemesis can reconstruct himself - he's one bad mama jama.
Nemesis blends design cues from both Nucleon Convoy AND Scourge - we now have the teals and red chest in a single glorious repaint. Well, actually, multiple repaints; the Nemesis Prime character would see other black, red, and teal incarnations within his native Unicron Trilogy continuity (*cough* Universe Nemesis Prime *cough* (2003) *cough*), grounding the Nemesis character into the fandom's collective consciousness.
Will you be my Nemesis?
The rest... is history!
Did I say history? What I meant was complicated. The rest is complicated.
Post-Armada, a gaggle of 'Black Convoy' toys took on a muted teal and blue deco reminiscent of Scourge's infamous RID cartoon appearance. That's right, I'm looking at you, Nightwatch Optimus Prime (2008), Binaltech Nemesis Prime (2007) and SDCC Nemesis Prime (2008). Interestingly, the two Nemesis bios introduced non-Unicronian origins by way of Dr. Arkeville and Straxus, respectively, further muddling the difference between the formerly distinctive Scourge and Nemesis Prime characters.
After this blue period, out came MP1B Masterpiece Optimus Prime Black Version (2009). This figure dons the Nemesis deco, but, like Nightwatch Prime, it's not evil. It's an, err, Eldedroid. Or something.
Since MP1B, Nemesis-decoed Optimi have cropped up every now and then, including TA-01 Optimus Prime Black Ver. (2010), DOTM Jetwing Optimus Prime Black Ver. (2011), and AoE Black Knight Optimus Prime (2015). Good black Optimus Primes also occasionally assume a black, gold, and blue deco, as per ROTF Optimus Prime Black Ver. (2009) and the more recent Elite Guard Optimus Prime (from the TF:Prime first edition voyager).
Nope. Not evil.
But, yes! Even after all that mishigas, evil 'Black Convoy' toys since 2009 have generally rolled up a Scourge-type evil clone backstory in a straight Nemesis-style repaint. There are exceptions (i.e. Lawson exclusives), but black, red, and teal dominate the 'Black Convoy' scene - be it a Nemesis, Scourge, Dark Side, or even just a boring (but beautiful), run-of-the-mill black version of Optimus Prime.
THE LIST
Finally, dear readers, we arrive at the main event - the list of Top 5 'Black Convoy' toys!
Behold! That long slog did not go to waste; it makes my explanation of inclusion criteria that much simpler. You see, for the purposes of this list, I will only consider 'Black Convoys' that check the following two boxes:
***Predominantly black, teal, and red color scheme
***Wicked... looking - that is to say, they may be Autobot aligned, but I could reasonably fudge them for inclusion on a Nemesis shelf for their sheer bad-ass-ery.
To the list!
#5: AD-31B Movie Advanced Black Knight Optimus Prime
The simplified style of AOE (a conversation best left for another day) gave us an underwhelming Leader Class Optimus Prime: smaller, lighter, and less complex. Takara jumped on the opportunity, and remolded Optimus's chest, gave him articulated wrists & hands, and bequeathed him a brand new head sculpt with an interchangeable face. In so doing, Takara saved this figure in the hearts and minds of many collectors.
Then, they painted him black.
Still an Autobot, sure. But now this is an Optimus worthy of "GIVE ME YOUR FACE!" Between the Takara upgrades, sharp deco, translucent red weapons, and a mean looking face, this figure quickly became one of my favorite 'Black Convoy' toys.
#4: Universe Nemesis Prime
A lot has been written about Beast Wars Neo Big Convoy - such is the fate of kibble-tastic shell-formers. But that does not change the fact that this Big Convoy redeco is a beast! Also, he plays an important in the fiction: Nemesis Prime from Armada underwent several iterations within the Unicron Trilogy continuity, and this, boys and girls, is one of them.
Not to mention that this Nemesis Prime - one of the first - is an incredibly fun toy. Between the viking-esque horns, massive gun, and blood red matrix, this surprisingly well articulated recycle of the older Beast Wares Neo figure is the perfect vessel for a bad as bones Nemesis.
Speaking of which, he gets major points for the PG13 blood on those horns, which look evil as all heck. You don't want to be caught out alone on the icy tundra, that's for sure.
#3: Transformers GO! Hunter Nemesis Prime
When Optimus received his life-saving upgrade at the outset of Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters, I knew we'd get a big beefy toy to match Prime's new on-screen chassis. What I didn't realize at the time was how awesome a Nemesis Optimus's new beefy template would make.
In this age of 'big-bads' being physically bigger (and badder), having a brute of a Nemesis is wonderful. He looks tough, a look accentuated by his jagged chest spikes and Megatron-esque pylon shoulders. Nemesis's sword, which in his hands resembles more of a hatchet or machette, only enhances and rounds out this characterization. Then you have the great battle mask, a significant improvement over the original toy's Optimus face, which I can only describe, generously, as derpy. All together, this Nemesis just kills it, in the best way possible.
#2: Tokyo Toy Show United Black Optimus Prime
This one's a Classic. Literally.
Coming some years off the heals of the previous reigning black Classics Prime, SDCC Nemesis Prime (see Blue Period, above), this figure updates this 'Black Convoy' with the more modern, distinctly Nemesis deco. The teals and reds pop, and the greys add some dimension to Prime's black palette.
One of the reasons I selected this figure is just how well the Classics Prime mold has held up all these years. Especially in an environment where so many current lines (Combiner Wars, Titans Return) hark back to G1, the Classics sensibility of updating characters in new ways gives this 'Black Convoy' a sense of being more a Prime look-a-like than the genuine article, which suits this sinister, Decepticon-branded evil Prime just fine on my shelf.
#1: Tokyo Toy Show United Darkside Optimus Prime
Welcome to the dark side! For me, it was really no contest - I love this 'Black Convoy', a lovely and fantastically well done redeco of the War For Cybertron deluxe Optimus Prime figure.
The perennially-popular War For Cybertron design grants this Prime a uniquely organic look. From the panel lines on his battle mask, to the contours of his chest cavity, all the way down to his leg panels, this Prime exudes elegance. His flared out shoulders blend naturally with back wheel kibble that fills out his form and complements his rather graceful stature. All this, combined with a sharp-as-a-knife metallic paint job, and this Darkside 'Black Convoy' packs an out-sized punch for a relatively small deluxe figure.
And yet, with all of these wonderful design cues, we still have a mean, dark, or perhaps downright evil expression. Through the prism of his organic lines, his glare screams of a singular focus and unbridled rage. Of all of the 'Black Convoys' on my list, I consider this one to be the most dangerous. #1, all the way.
Photo Credit: ThunderCougar @ DeviantArt
Runners Up
Yes, there were several 'Black Convoy' figures that didn't make the cut - they were lean, they were mean, but the each had something that made me say,'ehhh...' They are:
-Jetwing Optimus Prime, Black Version: this mold is awesome, this figure is awesome. You know what's not awesome? His lack of battle mask. Had to deduct some badass points for that.
-RID Scourge: yes, he's a progenitor of the 'Black Convoy' genre, and he has aged well - but still, he's a tad too old school for my tastes. I know he would easily make others' lists, just not mine.
-TFCC TFSS 1.0 -OR- LG EX Scourge: the black versions of RTS Laser Prime figure are fierce, but in a scrappy way. I have a harder time finding this mold menacing, even if he checks off several boxes.
-TA01 Animated Optimus Prime, Black Version: this figure is very nearly the complete package, but his huge Autobot symbol really throws me off. His giant axe alone made this figure the hardest call.
-MP10B Black Convoy: this mold is a benchmark in design, and he even has the molded Decepticon symbol. My issue is his head sculpt; it's too neutral, too gentle. Not evil enough - my puppy dog looks meaner than MP10B.
Don't give me that look.
THANK YOU!
That's my list! I hope you enjoyed it.
Did I miss your favorite 'Black Convoy'? Share it with us below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all the latest Transformers news, and the best galleries around!
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837700)
Posted by william-james88 on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:22pm CDT
Awesome list megatronus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While this may not abide by the rules, my personal favourite Black Prime redecos are:
Nemesis Hunter Prime
Universe Nemesis
AD-31 BlackKnight Prime
The Animated Elie Gaurd Optimus
MP 10 in Black
Posted by william-james88 on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:22pm CDT
Awesome list megatronus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!While this may not abide by the rules, my personal favourite Black Prime redecos are:
Nemesis Hunter Prime
Universe Nemesis
AD-31 BlackKnight Prime
The Animated Elie Gaurd Optimus
MP 10 in Black
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837701)
Posted by Bombilation on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:27pm CDT
Posted by Bombilation on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:27pm CDT
I absolutely adore any black Optimus that uses other colors, such as the ToysRUs Legends one that came packed with Megatronus.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837703)
Posted by shajaki on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:48pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:48pm CDT
Seriously awesome list Meggy! And I enjoyed the history lesson 
However, I can't believe that MY #1 & 2 didn't even make an honorable mention
However, I can't believe that MY #1 & 2 didn't even make an honorable mention
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837706)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:54pm CDT
I wouldn't really count him as a "Black redeco" as the red takes center stage, despite the black being more prevalent in other areas.
With all the Black Convoys, I have to be kind of picky with what I want to make sure each has his own unique attributes and aren't just "evil clones for the sake of being evil clones".
Note I only have RiD Spychanger Scourge, and CR Black Convoy (I love how he's his own individual), but I still like these because they offer something different to the table, especially in fiction:
Universe 2008 SDCC Nemesis Prime
Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Nemesis Prime (Black Convoy) Gallery
He may not have the total package of black, grey and teal but it still works as an evil Prime. Even better is his backstory, being created out of a hapless solider by Straxus (you can thank Dave for that), referencing a similar concept in the Marvel comics with the Megatron clone:
This scores higher than Optimus Prime going undercover, and kind of makes him a tragic warrior.
Unite Warriors UW-EX Grand Scourge
Transformers Unite Warriors Grand Scourge Gallery
Ok, I admit, his big sword wins me over on him. That, and the fact he combines. The gold may look like overkill, but it works in defining him. Besides, how many clones can say they started out as building kit?
The third one, Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime has already been mentioned
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 29th, 2016 @ 5:54pm CDT
I wouldn't really count him as a "Black redeco" as the red takes center stage, despite the black being more prevalent in other areas.
With all the Black Convoys, I have to be kind of picky with what I want to make sure each has his own unique attributes and aren't just "evil clones for the sake of being evil clones".
Note I only have RiD Spychanger Scourge, and CR Black Convoy (I love how he's his own individual), but I still like these because they offer something different to the table, especially in fiction:
Universe 2008 SDCC Nemesis Prime
Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Nemesis Prime (Black Convoy) Gallery
He may not have the total package of black, grey and teal but it still works as an evil Prime. Even better is his backstory, being created out of a hapless solider by Straxus (you can thank Dave for that), referencing a similar concept in the Marvel comics with the Megatron clone:
This scores higher than Optimus Prime going undercover, and kind of makes him a tragic warrior.
Unite Warriors UW-EX Grand Scourge
Transformers Unite Warriors Grand Scourge Gallery
Ok, I admit, his big sword wins me over on him. That, and the fact he combines. The gold may look like overkill, but it works in defining him. Besides, how many clones can say they started out as building kit?
The third one, Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime has already been mentioned
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837711)
Posted by megatronus on October 29th, 2016 @ 6:19pm CDT
Glad you liked my overly verbose list
Evasion Prime suffers the same issue as Laser Prime, IMHO - too gangly. He's awesome tho, just not one of my faves, especially compared to the other movie Nemeses out there.
:
I almost forgot about Grand Scourge! What I really want to see is the Subscription Service Toxitron done up in a Nemesis deco - then this mold would 100% make my top 5:
Posted by megatronus on October 29th, 2016 @ 6:19pm CDT
shajaki wrote:Seriously awesome list Meggy! And I enjoyed the history lesson
However, I can't believe that MY #1 & 2 didn't even make an honorable mention
Glad you liked my overly verbose list
Evasion Prime suffers the same issue as Laser Prime, IMHO - too gangly. He's awesome tho, just not one of my faves, especially compared to the other movie Nemeses out there.
:
I almost forgot about Grand Scourge! What I really want to see is the Subscription Service Toxitron done up in a Nemesis deco - then this mold would 100% make my top 5:
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837717)
Posted by Burn on October 29th, 2016 @ 6:48pm CDT
Posted by Burn on October 29th, 2016 @ 6:48pm CDT
The original Nucleon Quest Convoy will always be special to me. Sure, he's lacking the articulation of modern figures, but I found out about him when I was just getting back into collecting, so he became a grail to me, and then I got him, and he was, and still is, awesome.
Modern ones, while they look good, just don't have that special meaning to me. Plus I've grown tired of the whole "black Prime is evil" thing.
That being said ... oh Universe Nemesis Prime ... you are teh awesome.
Modern ones, while they look good, just don't have that special meaning to me. Plus I've grown tired of the whole "black Prime is evil" thing.
That being said ... oh Universe Nemesis Prime ... you are teh awesome.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837719)
Posted by Evil Eye on October 29th, 2016 @ 6:50pm CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on October 29th, 2016 @ 6:50pm CDT
What a wonderful list! I do wish Nemesis Primes weren't almost always convention exclusives or fairly old (and often not released in the UK) figures. I want a CHUG-scale Nemmy at some point, but all the appropriately sized ones (Voyager-Ultra IMO) are horrendously expensive. Though given I have no money at the moment, even if they were reissuing Universe Nemesis Prime in my local Entertainer for £23 I'd have to pass.
Black Knight Optimus Prime is definitely awesome, and what a wonderful name for a heroic black repaint! The Universe toy is gloriously badass, and were it not for A: the obscene prices he fetches (at least, in my neck of the woods) and B: the slight weirdness of the evil clone of a vehicular Optimus taking a very organic looking woolly mammoth as his altmode (alas I do not own Big Convoy, something I must rectify in the future), he'd be my "definitive" Nemesis Prime. The Beast Hunters figure is a looker too, though I wish his guns weren't so puny and that he had sliver paint instead of that awful grey plastic. "Classics" Nemesis is a classic- it's a great mold (or so I'm told, don't own it myself) and a great deco. Darkside Prime...homina homina. I just wish that mold (like so many other Deluxe OPs) was a Voyager.
I only own one Nemesis Prime- the Generations Legends Class figure. He's a really fun toy, though his "targetmaster" kinda sucks. In terms of Nemesis Primes I'd like to own, the Universe redeco of Big Convoy is high up there, along with RID Scourge if only for the vintage factor (and that sexy, sexy chrome trailer).
One mold I'd love to see get the Nemesis treatment is, bizarrely enough, the DotM MechTech Voyager. I have a real soft spot for that mold- probably because I got one off eBay for £15 (sans kneepads) and he has just the right combination of things I like for me to love him. The goofy super-robot proportions, the EXTREEEEEEEEME aesthetic with all those solar panels and rocket boosters, the ludicrously large gun...The Fireburst redeco is almost there- give him some teal and repaint the arms and chest and you have yourself a seriously evil looking 'bot.
Oh, and finally, the ultimate black repaint of an Optimus Prime (and a non-evil one at that)...I give you Lucky Draw Black Fire Convoy, AKA one of the best Optimus/Convoy molds ever in one of the best decos ever.
A pity it's a ludicrously rare, fairly obscure Lucky Draw prize. Maybe if I win the lottery...
Black Knight Optimus Prime is definitely awesome, and what a wonderful name for a heroic black repaint! The Universe toy is gloriously badass, and were it not for A: the obscene prices he fetches (at least, in my neck of the woods) and B: the slight weirdness of the evil clone of a vehicular Optimus taking a very organic looking woolly mammoth as his altmode (alas I do not own Big Convoy, something I must rectify in the future), he'd be my "definitive" Nemesis Prime. The Beast Hunters figure is a looker too, though I wish his guns weren't so puny and that he had sliver paint instead of that awful grey plastic. "Classics" Nemesis is a classic- it's a great mold (or so I'm told, don't own it myself) and a great deco. Darkside Prime...homina homina. I just wish that mold (like so many other Deluxe OPs) was a Voyager.
I only own one Nemesis Prime- the Generations Legends Class figure. He's a really fun toy, though his "targetmaster" kinda sucks. In terms of Nemesis Primes I'd like to own, the Universe redeco of Big Convoy is high up there, along with RID Scourge if only for the vintage factor (and that sexy, sexy chrome trailer).
One mold I'd love to see get the Nemesis treatment is, bizarrely enough, the DotM MechTech Voyager. I have a real soft spot for that mold- probably because I got one off eBay for £15 (sans kneepads) and he has just the right combination of things I like for me to love him. The goofy super-robot proportions, the EXTREEEEEEEEME aesthetic with all those solar panels and rocket boosters, the ludicrously large gun...The Fireburst redeco is almost there- give him some teal and repaint the arms and chest and you have yourself a seriously evil looking 'bot.
Oh, and finally, the ultimate black repaint of an Optimus Prime (and a non-evil one at that)...I give you Lucky Draw Black Fire Convoy, AKA one of the best Optimus/Convoy molds ever in one of the best decos ever.
A pity it's a ludicrously rare, fairly obscure Lucky Draw prize. Maybe if I win the lottery...
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837725)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 29th, 2016 @ 7:48pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 29th, 2016 @ 7:48pm CDT
Here's another one I got my eye on:
Transformers Adventure TAV56 Nemesis Prime (mk II)
Let me start off by saying he's the third Nemesis Prime character in the Prime continuity after the remote-controlled MECH clone from Prime and Hunter Nemesis Prime from GO!. This guy started out as a duplicate constructed by Knock Out:
Transformers Adventures Nemesis Prime Gallery
What makes him special is that he's the first Nemesis to obtain a powered-up form (in-fiction, Universe 2003 Nemesis was reformated into an Alternity Convoy Super Black body, plus RiD Scourge got a Hero body) and a good looking one at that. I mean, look at the wing swords!
Transformers Adventure TAV56 Nemesis Prime (mk II)
Let me start off by saying he's the third Nemesis Prime character in the Prime continuity after the remote-controlled MECH clone from Prime and Hunter Nemesis Prime from GO!. This guy started out as a duplicate constructed by Knock Out:
Transformers Adventures Nemesis Prime Gallery
What makes him special is that he's the first Nemesis to obtain a powered-up form (in-fiction, Universe 2003 Nemesis was reformated into an Alternity Convoy Super Black body, plus RiD Scourge got a Hero body) and a good looking one at that. I mean, look at the wing swords!
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837728)
Posted by MGrotusque on October 29th, 2016 @ 8:27pm CDT
Posted by MGrotusque on October 29th, 2016 @ 8:27pm CDT
I;m not into a black Optimus at all as something i want to purchase but all the pics posted of the black deco undeniably look fantastic. As much as i like them i don't have the urge to get a nemesis prime ever.
I appreciate them though.
I appreciate them though.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837745)
Posted by Optimum Supreme on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:26pm CDT
Posted by Optimum Supreme on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:26pm CDT
I love the Bloptimuses, but only ever have managed to get ahold of a few. Both versions of RID Scourge (full size and Spychanger) and the redeco of RTS legends size OP, Motorbreath (awful name, cool little figure).
I know everyone expects TR voyager OP to be remolded to Octane, but I'd much rather he gets Scourged.
I know everyone expects TR voyager OP to be remolded to Octane, but I'd much rather he gets Scourged.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837746)
Posted by SureShot18 on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:27pm CDT
Posted by SureShot18 on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:27pm CDT
While I love my Legends EX Black Convoy, and right now he is my black Prime, I would really like to own the Go! voyager. When I was in the market for a Nemmy I discovered him but he was fetching around $100 on eBay and I was not paying that much.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837748)
Posted by william-james88 on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:50pm CDT
I think the price has dropped since and he could be cheaper if bought loose.
Posted by william-james88 on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:50pm CDT
SureShot18 wrote:While I love my Legends EX Black Convoy, and right now he is my black Prime, I would really like to own the Go! voyager. When I was in the market for a Nemmy I discovered him but he was fetching around $100 on eBay and I was not paying that much.
I think the price has dropped since and he could be cheaper if bought loose.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837749)
Posted by Noideaforaname on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:51pm CDT
Posted by Noideaforaname on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:51pm CDT
I must admit a lot of these just run together for me, as Optimus Primes tend to do too. I don't think any will stand out unless they do something ridiculously amazing, like turning the smokestacks into gatling guns:
Also, Scourge > Nemesis Prime
Also, Scourge > Nemesis Prime
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837750)
Posted by Zeedust on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:53pm CDT
It's not just that he combines, it's also that his torso mode is gorgeous. The pale gold plastic and metallic mint green paint are really nice.
Posted by Zeedust on October 29th, 2016 @ 10:53pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Unite Warriors UW-EX Grand Scourge
Transformers Unite Warriors Grand Scourge Gallery
Ok, I admit, his big sword wins me over on him. That, and the fact he combines. The gold may look like overkill, but it works in defining him. Besides, how many clones can say they started out as building kit?
It's not just that he combines, it's also that his torso mode is gorgeous. The pale gold plastic and metallic mint green paint are really nice.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837757)
Posted by Ultra Markus on October 30th, 2016 @ 1:13am CDT
Posted by Ultra Markus on October 30th, 2016 @ 1:13am CDT
how many Nemesis Primes made it to TV? i can think of 3
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837758)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 30th, 2016 @ 1:50am CDT
Counting any black body/clone, in chronological order:
1.) Black Lio Convoy, Beast Wars II
2.) Scourge/Black Convoy, Robots in Disguise 2001/Car Robots
3.) Nemesis Prime/Scourge, Armada/Micron Legends
4.) Nemesis Prime, Prime
An honorary mention goes to Nemesis Breaker/Dark Liger Jack, Cybertron/Galaxy Force
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 30th, 2016 @ 1:50am CDT
Ultra Markus wrote:how many Nemesis Primes made it to TV? i can think of 3
Counting any black body/clone, in chronological order:
1.) Black Lio Convoy, Beast Wars II
2.) Scourge/Black Convoy, Robots in Disguise 2001/Car Robots
3.) Nemesis Prime/Scourge, Armada/Micron Legends
4.) Nemesis Prime, Prime
An honorary mention goes to Nemesis Breaker/Dark Liger Jack, Cybertron/Galaxy Force
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837773)
Posted by Emerje on October 30th, 2016 @ 7:32am CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 30th, 2016 @ 7:32am CDT
One of my favorites that I imagine most people would never consider:
Yep, Black Convoy pen. The pen is really an after through, but the bot mode is fantastic for small figure. I had this guy on my desk for a long time (along with regular Convoy, Ultra Magnus is still int he box) and would constantly find myself picking him up and messing around with him. The only thing that truly disappoints me is that they didn't stick a 5mm peg on the mold so the pen mode could double as a gun.
Another nice one is Go Prime from Transformers Go! The added white really makes him stand out compared to all of the others.
Emerje
Yep, Black Convoy pen. The pen is really an after through, but the bot mode is fantastic for small figure. I had this guy on my desk for a long time (along with regular Convoy, Ultra Magnus is still int he box) and would constantly find myself picking him up and messing around with him. The only thing that truly disappoints me is that they didn't stick a 5mm peg on the mold so the pen mode could double as a gun.
Another nice one is Go Prime from Transformers Go! The added white really makes him stand out compared to all of the others.
Emerje
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1837948)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 31st, 2016 @ 4:13am CDT
One of the few Black Convoy's that slipped past my grips
...an epic looking figure...'nuff said! 
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 31st, 2016 @ 4:13am CDT
One of the few Black Convoy's that slipped past my grips
...an epic looking figure...'nuff said!
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (1838007)
Posted by megatronus on October 31st, 2016 @ 10:41am CDT
I think you can get him for a decent price at Hobby Jungle - maybe $140 or so? Still expensive, but better than the $200 I paid back in the day...
Posted by megatronus on October 31st, 2016 @ 10:41am CDT
Nemesis Destron wrote:
One of the few Black Convoy's that slipped past my grips
I think you can get him for a decent price at Hobby Jungle - maybe $140 or so? Still expensive, but better than the $200 I paid back in the day...
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068793)
Posted by william-james88 on June 21st, 2020 @ 10:02pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 21st, 2020 @ 10:02pm CDT
We had a list before by our good friend Megatronus, and he had his own guidelines. Now, not only have 4 years past since, with a bunch of new black Optimus Prime repaints, but I'm opening it up to whichever toy had Nemesis or Scourge in their name. It seems to be the same with others, but I do tend to favour uniqueness when it comes to these repaints. Of course, that's a challenge for repaints, and hence why being ever so slightly unique scores a lot of points. Ok so on with the show!
5. Legends EX Black Convoy (Scourge/Nemesis Prime)
Firstly, the truck mode is a beautiful love letter to the original RID Scourge. And I really like it as an update. While the truck mode looks the part, it gives us a new take on the transformation by having the tanker segment incorporated into the robot mode, which also looks the part. And you can now have an RID Scourge in your classics collection. Of course, this deco works much better for this mold than the original release's red and blue Optimus Prime colour scheme but I even think this mold works better as Scourge than it does Octane, with those pop up antennas working much better on an Optimus style head. This, along with the various ways to position the shoulder pylons and wings adds to the versatility of the look to distinguish this from Titans Return Optimus or any other generations voyager Optimus figure. In the end, this toy looks the part, with the deco being a labour of love to the original, and has an interesting transformation. The plane serves as an extra and you can choose to ignore it without it detracting in any way.
4. Transformers Go! Hunter Nemesis Prime
Another toy which works much better in this particular deco. For some reason, the Hasbro version of the Optimus deco went for a greenish theme and gave him such an odd smiling headsculpt. But here we get that awesome black with teal highlights and red windows deco and a bad ass headsculpt. This toy's proportions works really well with the idea of Nemesis Prime being an intimidating threat and the wings and shoulders give you options as to how to present him on your shelf. He works really well in truck mode too with those extra teeth/spikes in the front giving him that extra murderous edge.
3. Transformers Robots In Disguise Scourge (Black Convoy)
This is basically G1 Nemesis. Well, G2, but you know what I mean, he's the original. And this is the toy that influenced the idea of Nemesis Prime we have in our collective minds (for the most part). Not only do we get the previously mentioned deco, but we also get the fact that this Prime looking figure is not the same as Optimus Prime since in that same line, Optimus had a very different look. Along with the toy's bigger stature, this sets a precedent for Nemesis needing to distinguish himself from Optimus and being imposing. Hence why I always favour Nemesis Primes that have a more unique look like different details, different molding, variation in presentation, rather than the straight up black Primes we get in the MP line.
2. Power of the Primes Nemesis Prime
If not for how unique Number 1 is as a concept, this one would take the cake. He is basically the ultimate Nemesis Prime figure. Not only do we get a very different and bad ass head sculpt for the leader class robot, but we get a different headsculpt for the smaller Optimus figure too. Plus we get a weapon that turns into a bird, reminiscent of the arms mircon line, a red sword homaging the multitude of red weapons Nemesis Prime toys got throughout the years and arm cannons from the Armada Nemesis Prime. So you get two toys in one encompassing many versions of Nemesis Prime with a bunch of new exclusive weapons made just for this toy. It was sold in a much bigger box than any leader class toy we've ever seen in the generations line and yet was still sold at the leader price point, which was a really cool surprise.
1. Transformers Universe Nemesis Prime
This Big Convoy redeco is a beast! I am still so amazed that this is how Hasbro chose to release the mold in the west. We finally got an incredibly fun toy, but in an excellent deco. Between the viking-esque horns, massive gun, and blood red matrix, this surprisingly well articulated recycle of the older Beast Wares Neo figure is the perfect vessel for a bad as bones Nemesis.
Speaking of which, he gets major points for the PG13 blood on those horns, which look evil as all heck. You don't want to be caught out alone on the icy tundra, that's for sure!
5. Legends EX Black Convoy (Scourge/Nemesis Prime)
Firstly, the truck mode is a beautiful love letter to the original RID Scourge. And I really like it as an update. While the truck mode looks the part, it gives us a new take on the transformation by having the tanker segment incorporated into the robot mode, which also looks the part. And you can now have an RID Scourge in your classics collection. Of course, this deco works much better for this mold than the original release's red and blue Optimus Prime colour scheme but I even think this mold works better as Scourge than it does Octane, with those pop up antennas working much better on an Optimus style head. This, along with the various ways to position the shoulder pylons and wings adds to the versatility of the look to distinguish this from Titans Return Optimus or any other generations voyager Optimus figure. In the end, this toy looks the part, with the deco being a labour of love to the original, and has an interesting transformation. The plane serves as an extra and you can choose to ignore it without it detracting in any way.
4. Transformers Go! Hunter Nemesis Prime
Another toy which works much better in this particular deco. For some reason, the Hasbro version of the Optimus deco went for a greenish theme and gave him such an odd smiling headsculpt. But here we get that awesome black with teal highlights and red windows deco and a bad ass headsculpt. This toy's proportions works really well with the idea of Nemesis Prime being an intimidating threat and the wings and shoulders give you options as to how to present him on your shelf. He works really well in truck mode too with those extra teeth/spikes in the front giving him that extra murderous edge.
3. Transformers Robots In Disguise Scourge (Black Convoy)
This is basically G1 Nemesis. Well, G2, but you know what I mean, he's the original. And this is the toy that influenced the idea of Nemesis Prime we have in our collective minds (for the most part). Not only do we get the previously mentioned deco, but we also get the fact that this Prime looking figure is not the same as Optimus Prime since in that same line, Optimus had a very different look. Along with the toy's bigger stature, this sets a precedent for Nemesis needing to distinguish himself from Optimus and being imposing. Hence why I always favour Nemesis Primes that have a more unique look like different details, different molding, variation in presentation, rather than the straight up black Primes we get in the MP line.
2. Power of the Primes Nemesis Prime
If not for how unique Number 1 is as a concept, this one would take the cake. He is basically the ultimate Nemesis Prime figure. Not only do we get a very different and bad ass head sculpt for the leader class robot, but we get a different headsculpt for the smaller Optimus figure too. Plus we get a weapon that turns into a bird, reminiscent of the arms mircon line, a red sword homaging the multitude of red weapons Nemesis Prime toys got throughout the years and arm cannons from the Armada Nemesis Prime. So you get two toys in one encompassing many versions of Nemesis Prime with a bunch of new exclusive weapons made just for this toy. It was sold in a much bigger box than any leader class toy we've ever seen in the generations line and yet was still sold at the leader price point, which was a really cool surprise.
1. Transformers Universe Nemesis Prime
This Big Convoy redeco is a beast! I am still so amazed that this is how Hasbro chose to release the mold in the west. We finally got an incredibly fun toy, but in an excellent deco. Between the viking-esque horns, massive gun, and blood red matrix, this surprisingly well articulated recycle of the older Beast Wares Neo figure is the perfect vessel for a bad as bones Nemesis.
Speaking of which, he gets major points for the PG13 blood on those horns, which look evil as all heck. You don't want to be caught out alone on the icy tundra, that's for sure!
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068795)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 21st, 2020 @ 10:17pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 21st, 2020 @ 10:17pm CDT
I love the Big Convoy mold as much as the next guy. I currently own four of it as of this typing, even.
But Car Robots Black Convoy still holds the #1 spot for me as far as Black Convoy/Nemesis Prime is concerned. Such a gorgeous deco on such an exquisite mold.
Also, I gotta give a shout-out to the two progenitors of the "black evil Optimus doppelganger" concept: Onyx Primal and Copy Convoy.
But Car Robots Black Convoy still holds the #1 spot for me as far as Black Convoy/Nemesis Prime is concerned. Such a gorgeous deco on such an exquisite mold.
Also, I gotta give a shout-out to the two progenitors of the "black evil Optimus doppelganger" concept: Onyx Primal and Copy Convoy.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068797)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on June 21st, 2020 @ 10:44pm CDT
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on June 21st, 2020 @ 10:44pm CDT
I've never liked the colour scheme on the robot mode of the Mammoth Nemesis Prime. Even though he's technically a Maximal, give me Black Big Convoy any day.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068803)
Posted by PerfectVision on June 22nd, 2020 @ 1:06am CDT
Posted by PerfectVision on June 22nd, 2020 @ 1:06am CDT
The BH version has a very small head.With the POTP one,the backpack has the same color,same for Skywarp 2015,the BEAST FIRE Predaking is worst but i have painted his horns in orange,they aren't identicals,red at center.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068805)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 22nd, 2020 @ 2:27am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 22nd, 2020 @ 2:27am CDT
My list:
5. Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime
4. Legends EX Black Convoy
3. PoTP Nemesis Prime
2. Car Robots Black Convoy
1. MP-10B
Honorable mention: Armada Nemesis Prime
5. Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime
4. Legends EX Black Convoy
3. PoTP Nemesis Prime
2. Car Robots Black Convoy
1. MP-10B
Honorable mention: Armada Nemesis Prime
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068809)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 4:18am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 4:18am CDT
I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:
Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?
Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.
Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?
Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068814)
Posted by ausbot on June 22nd, 2020 @ 5:40am CDT
Posted by ausbot on June 22nd, 2020 @ 5:40am CDT
All I want is a g1 nemesis prime from the original optimus prime, yes I know there is a ko but I don't collect ko's
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068818)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:09am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:09am CDT
Why are people mentioning Nucleon Quest Super Convoy? He may have the deco, but he's not a Nemesis Prime.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068820)
Posted by megatronus on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:25am CDT
None of these are Nemesis Primes.
Posted by megatronus on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:25am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:
Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?
Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.
None of these are Nemesis Primes.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068824)
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:00am CDT
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:00am CDT
Great list as always, Will! I like the choices made for each spot, and pretty much every choice is there for me. My list is slightly different, however.
5) POTP Nemesis Prime
4) Legends EX Black Convoy
3) Masterpiece MP10-B
2) Universe Nemesis Mammoth
1) RID Scourge
5) POTP Nemesis Prime
4) Legends EX Black Convoy
3) Masterpiece MP10-B
2) Universe Nemesis Mammoth
1) RID Scourge
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068827)
Posted by TulioDude on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:34am CDT
Posted by TulioDude on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:34am CDT
Nice list!
Ihe Power of the Primes toy has the best look in vehicle mode,since there is the robot parts in the trailer blend in more than normal.
Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name.
Day 174 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Ihe Power of the Primes toy has the best look in vehicle mode,since there is the robot parts in the trailer blend in more than normal.
Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name.
Day 174 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068832)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 11:04am CDT
Beast Wars Onyx Primal: The first evil back Optimus doppelganger
Beast Wars II Copy Convoy: The first one to appear in animation
Car Robots Black Convoy: The first one to give us the Japanese name "Black Convoy" and the first (and only) one to have a major role in animation
Armada Nemesis Prime: The first one to give us the English name "Nemesis Prime" and the first to be Unicronian in origin
Alternators Nemesis Prime/Binaltech Black Convoy: The first one to mesh the English "Nemesis Prime" and Japanese "Black Convoy" names together into referring to the same concept, which has mostly become the standard to this day
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 11:04am CDT
A shout-out to all of those who pioneered the Nemesis Prime concept.TulioDude wrote:Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name.
Beast Wars Onyx Primal: The first evil back Optimus doppelganger
Beast Wars II Copy Convoy: The first one to appear in animation
Car Robots Black Convoy: The first one to give us the Japanese name "Black Convoy" and the first (and only) one to have a major role in animation
Armada Nemesis Prime: The first one to give us the English name "Nemesis Prime" and the first to be Unicronian in origin
Alternators Nemesis Prime/Binaltech Black Convoy: The first one to mesh the English "Nemesis Prime" and Japanese "Black Convoy" names together into referring to the same concept, which has mostly become the standard to this day
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068833)
Posted by no-one on June 22nd, 2020 @ 11:05am CDT
Posted by no-one on June 22nd, 2020 @ 11:05am CDT
1. PotP NemmyP - It's just such a fun mold/toy with some amazing head sculpts and cool accessories (especially Giza).
2. Siege Nemesis Prime
3. Legends Black Convoy
4. T30 Nemesis Prime "a pocket full of evil"
I've always dug this mold and it's IDW stylings.
5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime
I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.
2. Siege Nemesis Prime
3. Legends Black Convoy
4. T30 Nemesis Prime "a pocket full of evil"
I've always dug this mold and it's IDW stylings.
5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime
I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068846)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 12:35pm CDT
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 12:35pm CDT
Mammoth nemesis Prime, the Japanese Black Convoy, and Funpub's version will always be my favorites. Maybe one day I'll want a newer, eviller looking one, but that ay hasn't come yet.
I actually took apart the Japanese G2 Black Convoy and put laser rod Prime's electronics in there to recreate the effect. He was actually remolded to make this stupidly difficult.
I actually took apart the Japanese G2 Black Convoy and put laser rod Prime's electronics in there to recreate the effect. He was actually remolded to make this stupidly difficult.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068866)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 22nd, 2020 @ 2:14pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 22nd, 2020 @ 2:14pm CDT
I have a shocking confession to make... I have no Nemesis Primes... Though I'm looking at Scourge to be my first
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068889)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 5:49pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 5:49pm CDT
Fair point.. I got confused by the thread title, because Will didn't start a new thread even though a Nemesis Prime-specific list isn't a straight update of the list that started this thread.megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:
Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?
Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.
None of these are Nemesis Primes.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068916)
Posted by RacerCheetor on June 22nd, 2020 @ 7:58pm CDT
Posted by RacerCheetor on June 22nd, 2020 @ 7:58pm CDT
It's great that a Beast Wars mold is the first. 
I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.
I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068917)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:07pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:07pm CDT
Eh. It's cool and all, but it's still an undersize imitation that's missing features.RacerCheetor wrote:It's great that a Beast Wars mold is the first.
I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068918)
Posted by adamage1 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:13pm CDT
Posted by adamage1 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:13pm CDT
Siege Nemesis Prime and MP-10B both surpass anything on this list, and it’s not even close. It’s preposterous neither of them were included.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068922)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:57pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 8:57pm CDT
Ha ha ha no. SIEGE isn't even a contender with some of the others out there (ESPECIALLY the likes of RiD Scourge). The only figure SIEGE Nemmy would rank at all higher than is United Black Convoy.
MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.
MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068923)
Posted by william-james88 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 9:21pm CDT
Yeah, that's what I felt. It's also what I feel about the movie molds you presented earlier. The movie toy I was contemplating though was this one since while it happens to be the best version (deco wise) of a good mold, it's also a representation of an actual movie verse Nemesis Prime.
But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco. And you can tell it doesn't work since without extra parts like tall shoulders or the like, you have less areas to give teal highlights.
By comparison, we can look at the examples I used like the one from Universe or Transformers Go where the designers had fun seeing how they could use that teal and make the colour scheme more unique rather than just a black Prime.
Posted by william-james88 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 9:21pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.
Yeah, that's what I felt. It's also what I feel about the movie molds you presented earlier. The movie toy I was contemplating though was this one since while it happens to be the best version (deco wise) of a good mold, it's also a representation of an actual movie verse Nemesis Prime.
But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco. And you can tell it doesn't work since without extra parts like tall shoulders or the like, you have less areas to give teal highlights.
By comparison, we can look at the examples I used like the one from Universe or Transformers Go where the designers had fun seeing how they could use that teal and make the colour scheme more unique rather than just a black Prime.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068925)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 9:45pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 22nd, 2020 @ 9:45pm CDT
Well, I brought up those two Primes more thinking of the thread title rather than the Nemesis Prime focus of your list anyway.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068926)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 9:45pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 9:45pm CDT
Yeah, and fictional-speaking (for Japanese fiction, specifically), the first Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy to appear in G1 fiction was the Binaltech version, who had that toy's pickup truck body before Optimus got one of his own in his colors.william-james88 wrote:But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068931)
Posted by william-james88 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:02pm CDT
Yeah I knew of that, hence why I mentioned the shoulders. It's kind of fun how, be it coincidence or not, shoulder kibble with teal highlights is a prominant feature of the character's initial toys and fictional appearances.
No worries. And yeah, I agree on both counts, hence why I am glad the DotM version is highlighted in Megatronus' original article.
Posted by william-james88 on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:02pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, and fictional-speaking (for Japanese fiction, specifically), the first Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy to appear in G1 fiction was the Binaltech version, who had that toy's pickup truck body before Optimus got one of his own in his colors.william-james88 wrote:But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.
Yeah I knew of that, hence why I mentioned the shoulders. It's kind of fun how, be it coincidence or not, shoulder kibble with teal highlights is a prominant feature of the character's initial toys and fictional appearances.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I brought up those two Primes more thinking of the thread title rather than the Nemesis Prime focus of your list anyway.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.
No worries. And yeah, I agree on both counts, hence why I am glad the DotM version is highlighted in Megatronus' original article.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068933)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:16pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 22nd, 2020 @ 10:16pm CDT
MP-10B also had an ostensibly JG1 bio, but nothing's ever been done with him yet. Perhaps MP-49 will have a more extended bio set in JG1 with more story content, but time will tell.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2068976)
Posted by adamage1 on June 23rd, 2020 @ 3:24pm CDT
Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.
Posted by adamage1 on June 23rd, 2020 @ 3:24pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.
But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.
Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2069008)
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 23rd, 2020 @ 6:24pm CDT
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 23rd, 2020 @ 6:24pm CDT
I'm glad to see Universe Nemesis at #1, I think he's a serious contender for the most awesome deco in the history of Transformers.
While this deco wouldn't make the list for me, it's nice to see that mold get a shoutout. Awesome figure.
carytheone wrote:5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime
I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.
While this deco wouldn't make the list for me, it's nice to see that mold get a shoutout. Awesome figure.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2069075)
Posted by YRQRM0 on June 24th, 2020 @ 10:44am CDT
Posted by YRQRM0 on June 24th, 2020 @ 10:44am CDT
Armada Nemesis should have made it, specifically the Takara version.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2069085)
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:02pm CDT
But not of the G1 Optimus Prime body from the sunbow cartoons, at least not initially, that's the whole point.
Here is the pic the TF wiki uses for Nemesis:
As you'll see, that ain't G1 sunbow prime in black colours.
So toys like MP 10 B are just a straight Optimus redeco homaging a Scourge colour scheme and nothing more. Sometimes it works but often times it's boring AF bringing nothing interesting to the table.
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:02pm CDT
adamage1 wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.
But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.
Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.
But not of the G1 Optimus Prime body from the sunbow cartoons, at least not initially, that's the whole point.
Here is the pic the TF wiki uses for Nemesis:
As you'll see, that ain't G1 sunbow prime in black colours.
So toys like MP 10 B are just a straight Optimus redeco homaging a Scourge colour scheme and nothing more. Sometimes it works but often times it's boring AF bringing nothing interesting to the table.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2069089)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:09pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:09pm CDT
Given the recent trend of MP bios being written with the JG1 universe in mind, one could say that MP-10B's profile was set in the JG1 universe, but so far no story has done anything with him. We'll have to wait and see if MP-49 gets any kind of extensive profile that tells of his story in the JG1 universe.
And which would not contradict or interfere with the Binaltech version's story since Binaltech splintered off from JG1 into its own separate timeline from that of the main JG1 one.
And which would not contradict or interfere with the Binaltech version's story since Binaltech splintered off from JG1 into its own separate timeline from that of the main JG1 one.
Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys (2069151)
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2020 @ 5:32pm CDT
Both he and the Arms Micron toy mentioned above are there in spirit with the POTP mold which homages them both.
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2020 @ 5:32pm CDT
YRQRM0 wrote:Armada Nemesis should have made it, specifically the Takara version.
Both he and the Arms Micron toy mentioned above are there in spirit with the POTP mold which homages them both.
