Toy Fair 2014 Coverage: Activision Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark Images

Words cannot describe how little I'm looking forward to this.

I mean, what even is going on with this? These designs don't look too congruent. It'd be like doing an Animated meets G1 crossover. Hint: It would be horrid-looking.

interesting concept but it could go horribly horribly wrong, your taking the best TF continuity (excluding the TFP part cause i still say its not part of the cybertron universe) & merging it with one of the worst. hopefully its more like war for cybertron & less like fall of cybertron & dark of the moon.

If they're making similar gameplay to Fall of Cybertron, at least let us be able to see the FRONT of our characters as well! So you could do a 360 degree turn or something like that. It would be something I would like to see.

#Sideways# wrote:It'd be like doing an Animated meets G1 crossover.

Animated was pretty much a G1 reboot itself, with some not g1 characters.

Though I'll reserve my judgments for when we have a more in depth look at the product, I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to be something akin to Fall of Cybertron 1.5. From the images seen so far, the assets in the cybertron corner look copy pasted from FoC, with the only new content being the AoE stuff. I have to wonder if this isn't something that could have been simple dlc for FoC with new skins. Then again, I'm not a game dev, so what do I know?

Gah! double post

I'm looking forward to this, but I really wanted a true FoC sequel.

#Sideways# wrote:Words cannot describe how little I'm looking forward to this.

I mean, what even is going on with this? These designs don't look too congruent. It'd be like doing an Animated meets G1 crossover. Hint: It would be horrid-looking.

Well, G1 Optimus Prime did cameo in the Japanese dub of Animated, in which he and Animated Optimus briefly talked together about the next upcoming episode, albeit in audio form only.

And there was that "Bee in the City" live script reading crossover between Animated and TransTech, in which a few Animated character met Beast Wars Megatron.

And there's also been crazier crossovers in the 3H BotCon stuff and the TCC stuff.

I'm...not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this. Am I supposed to like it?

who why when did they decide putting to completely different franchises together was a golden idea?

I'm being too harsh. Too early to tell. I'll think about it more after some sleep.

The films and the Aligned continuity cross dimensions?

Interesting.

I hope this combining of 2 TF universes gives way to some crazy ass Bioshock Infinite ending type of feel to the game. I've always wanted something like that for Transformers. But I don't think it's ever been done. And I won't be surprised in the slightest if that doesn't happen here, but considering how many universes lie in the Transformers multiverse (franchise), I'm surprised no one has done that yet.

Accidental double post.

Agamemnon wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:*Sigh* Well, it looks like I can finally cut myself off from these video games. It may be awesome in playability, but what drew me to WfC and FoC was the definite G1 tie in. I do not like the tie in to the movies (or even Prime, for that matter.)

WFC/FOC are not G1 though, they are (or where if this is going to be connected to the movies) Aligned, which means Prime.

True, but I find that more of a retcon. It seems clear to me that WfC, in particular, was meant to align with G1, or at the very least throw back to it. (Compare BB with G1 and Prime/the movies, and I think this is pretty clear.)

Also, I should state that I don't like Hasbro's attempts to "align" everything. They own the properties, so they get to do what they want. But I think it is wrong of them to stifle the imagination of their customers, which is what I think they are doing whether intentional or not. But, that's just my opinion...

No it's not, if you look at the behind the scenes stuff, the interviews, and the fact that the story is basically the same as all the other Prime prequel material it's clear that it's always been intended to serve as a tie-in to Prime. High Moon even said that they just wanted to let it look as close as possible to the G1 cartoon because that was their favorite incarnation and the one they grew up with.
If by looking vaguely like G1 is all it takes to convince you that it's supposed to be G1, then you probably also view Animated as G1.

So it is a crossover and not a real sequel to FOC? Lame, it doesn't even have High Moon attached from what I can tell.
Skipping this.

I'm afraid Activision is now framing this as Call of Duty: Transformers. The previous games were already moving towards that line, but the current setup of having you unlock stuff in single- and multiplayer implies that there's no way Actvision will provide us with a large (story-based) campaign.

The basic equipment will probably unlock in single throughout the campaign, while in multiplayer it'll take you just a few battles, further equipment trickling in through in-game purchases, DLC or season passes. Or. Very. Slow. Grinding. The two worlds colliding thing is just there to generate more content (and recycle assets from the previous games). This also makes sense considering Transformers Universe flip-flopped from being an online multiplayer shooter towards a LoL-clone.

We'll be lucky if we'll get a four hour campaign out of it, I think. On the other hand, this might just be the 'movie tie-in', and in that respect this sounds much better than any of the other preceding movie games.

Um two universes? Does that mean they can connect to each other like doing some Spiderman edge of time stuff

At first I was actually excited, but after thinking about this, it just looks like a cheap cash in. The Idea of these two universes colliding just SCREAMS the material was scraped off from past projects in order to make a new profit.

These are the two biggest universes out right now, but the only people who actually know that the Aligned and Bay-verse universes are not the same are those that actually spend as much time as we(the TF fandom) do. It's important to remember because why couldn't they just have the two universes "bleed" into one when the portion of the game's market never knew or cared that the universes were different. Then the cliche' MULTI-VERSE COLLISION ARC wouldn't have to be used to make what could be a great game.

This game will be rushed and undone, as its Activision and High Moon is no longer a studio.
And unless done with Bio-Shock-esque physics/story, there won't be a good reason for the two worlds colliding.I think the only way this could be acceptable on a cannon base story would be if FOC Shockwave tries to rebuild the space bridge after FOC and something goes wrong (though i would be skeptic from the start because Shockwave is too smart to make a mistake resulting in a space bridge opening a portal to another dimension completely).

This being said i'm sure i should just shut-up, stop being so picky, and enjoy the AWESOME THAT WILL ENSUE!!! WOOO!! IM CHOOSING FOC ALL THE WAY!! SCREW THE BAY-VERSE!!!

So does this mean I can pick my favorite bayformer and have him blast off FOC Omegas stupid monkey arms ? This might make it worth buying an xbox, ps4 or whatever it is people play these days...

Dead Metal wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:*Sigh* Well, it looks like I can finally cut myself off from these video games. It may be awesome in playability, but what drew me to WfC and FoC was the definite G1 tie in. I do not like the tie in to the movies (or even Prime, for that matter.)

WFC/FOC are not G1 though, they are (or where if this is going to be connected to the movies) Aligned, which means Prime.

True, but I find that more of a retcon. It seems clear to me that WfC, in particular, was meant to align with G1, or at the very least throw back to it. (Compare BB with G1 and Prime/the movies, and I think this is pretty clear.)

Also, I should state that I don't like Hasbro's attempts to "align" everything. They own the properties, so they get to do what they want. But I think it is wrong of them to stifle the imagination of their customers, which is what I think they are doing whether intentional or not. But, that's just my opinion...

No it's not, if you look at the behind the scenes stuff, the interviews, and the fact that the story is basically the same as all the other Prime prequel material it's clear that it's always been intended to serve as a tie-in to Prime. High Moon even said that they just wanted to let it look as close as possible to the G1 cartoon because that was their favorite incarnation and the one they grew up with.
If by looking vaguely like G1 is all it takes to convince you that it's supposed to be G1, then you probably also view Animated as G1.

So it is a crossover and not a real sequel to FOC? Lame, it doesn't even have High Moon attached from what I can tell.
Skipping this.

But, see, that's the same problem I'm having with Hasbro. Why must this align in a way that takes the customer, i.e. us, out of the creative process? Why not leave it open to interpretation how we all want to see it?

And, no, please don't put words/thoughts in my mouth. I can see a resemblance between BB of G1 and WfC, not Animated. If this was always intended to be Prime/aligned, then why not make BB look more like Prime BB? Because they wanted to have that G1 tie in, or throwback. The stories of WfC and Exodus, while not entirely consistent with the G1 cartoon mythology, could be reasonably integrated with each other, as long as one doesn't get too picky, in my opinion. Perhaps my memory is a little fuzzy, but I thought the aligned continuity idea came during WfC development. Now, granted, I didn't see the behind the scenes interviews, so I will gladly defer to you on that info. But, given how the game looked, the references to G1, it has the feel of decisions being made part way through to make changes to "align" things more.

But I do agree with you. I don't like the crossover idea at all and will be skipping this altogether.

awesome game can't wait till the movie!

During the craze of Toy Fair 2014, we hope you gamers out there got a kick out of the next game featuring our favorite transforming robots, Rise of the Dark Spark. In any case, the company developing the title, surprisingly, is not High Moon Studios. No, instead the game will be developed, Examiner.com reports, by Edge of Reality.

High Moon Studios, who developed Transformers: War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron, is not developing Rise of the Dark Spark. Edge of Reality, who previously worked on the Mass Effect Trilogy and Dragon Age: Origins, are developing Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark and the game will be available for the Xbox One, Xbox 360, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 3, PC, Wii U, and 3DS.

On a side note, for the 3DS version, the developer will be Way Forward, who is known for making Duck Tales: Remastered and other games.

I wonder what HMS is working on right now, I want to believe it's a AoE game, but who knows at this point.

No PC version = no interest from me.

Mkall wrote:No PC version = no interest from me.

At the end of the trailer it did have a PC logo.

I'm pretty big into my games and I've never heard of Edge of Reality. Having a quick look at the list of titles they've worked on I'm not filled with hope. Seems to be mostly ports and a handful of piss-poor licensed games.

Agamemnon wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:*Sigh* Well, it looks like I can finally cut myself off from these video games. It may be awesome in playability, but what drew me to WfC and FoC was the definite G1 tie in. I do not like the tie in to the movies (or even Prime, for that matter.)

WFC/FOC are not G1 though, they are (or where if this is going to be connected to the movies) Aligned, which means Prime.

True, but I find that more of a retcon. It seems clear to me that WfC, in particular, was meant to align with G1, or at the very least throw back to it. (Compare BB with G1 and Prime/the movies, and I think this is pretty clear.)

Also, I should state that I don't like Hasbro's attempts to "align" everything. They own the properties, so they get to do what they want. But I think it is wrong of them to stifle the imagination of their customers, which is what I think they are doing whether intentional or not. But, that's just my opinion...

No it's not, if you look at the behind the scenes stuff, the interviews, and the fact that the story is basically the same as all the other Prime prequel material it's clear that it's always been intended to serve as a tie-in to Prime. High Moon even said that they just wanted to let it look as close as possible to the G1 cartoon because that was their favorite incarnation and the one they grew up with.
If by looking vaguely like G1 is all it takes to convince you that it's supposed to be G1, then you probably also view Animated as G1.

So it is a crossover and not a real sequel to FOC? Lame, it doesn't even have High Moon attached from what I can tell.
Skipping this.

But, see, that's the same problem I'm having with Hasbro. Why must this align in a way that takes the customer, i.e. us, out of the creative process? Why not leave it open to interpretation how we all want to see it?

And, no, please don't put words/thoughts in my mouth. I can see a resemblance between BB of G1 and WfC, not Animated. If this was always intended to be Prime/aligned, then why not make BB look more like Prime BB? Because they wanted to have that G1 tie in, or throwback. The stories of WfC and Exodus, while not entirely consistent with the G1 cartoon mythology, could be reasonably integrated with each other, as long as one doesn't get too picky, in my opinion. Perhaps my memory is a little fuzzy, but I thought the aligned continuity idea came during WfC development. Now, granted, I didn't see the behind the scenes interviews, so I will gladly defer to you on that info. But, given how the game looked, the references to G1, it has the feel of decisions being made part way through to make changes to "align" things more.

But I do agree with you. I don't like the crossover idea at all and will be skipping this altogether.

Sorry, now that I re-read my comment, it sounds much more mean-spirited and douchy than I had intended. So I apologize.

Aligned was being worked on a long time before WFC, before Animated started. For instance, work on Animated started at about the same time the Energon toys hit shelves. And High Moon stated that they where working closely together with Hasbro from day one.
The only way WFC/FOC could work as being a prequel to G1, is if it was the prequel of a completely new G1, due to all the things in the games that don't work with all the G1 material we have.
As I stated, the designs are so G1y because that was the version the designers where most familiar and comfortable with. Yea, sure BB looks more like G1 BB than Prime BB, but then again we already have proof that these guys change their bodies. Megatron for instance got a new body in FOC that makes him look closer to Prime.
And if we tried to force this in G1, we would have to ignore almost 90% of the game, including all of the technology and the body designs, since really it's only really the heads that are G1. The bodies are more movie with all those complicated moving parts.
Seriously, if you really look at it, there is simply no way how this meshes with any incarnation of G1 ever.

And Hasbro wanted this to be part of the Aligned continuity, because they wanted it to. It's their property and they are trying to branch out into different forms of entertainment, one of which is story telling.

Also, don't forget that it's the stories and the media that actually make us attached to Transformers, and if we got to decide about those things, well it wouldn't really work anymore.

thats kind of disappointing but then again could be good, after war for cybertron high moon hasnt had a good track record. Fall of cybertron wasnt that great & dark of the moon & deadpool were failures. But edge of reality hasnt really done much, looking at the list of games they developed nothing stands out. They did a good job on the mass effect & dragon age ports but they didnt make the original games. Only time will tell at this point.

IMO, as long as they don't ditch their game less than six months after release in favor of making a game of mediocre quality, I'm all for them.

Oooohhh! Now I get why I am flabbergasted. I shouldn't be. I figured this was still High Moon, who has the Midas Touch of Transformers games, it seems, and I was wondering why they would do something so... Well... Nonparallel in concept. Think about it: If they had crossed WFC with almost any other series, it would still work. If they did WFC meets Unicron Trilogy, it would work; if they did WFC meets G1, it would work; if they did WFC meets Beast Wars, it would still kinda work; they could do much of the different universes, but this just doesn't... Blend. All this seems to be is a vie for money, capitalizing on the new movie hype and the general adoration of WFC in general. I probably won't buy it, unless it become more than what it seems.

This could actually be a decent game, I'll stay optimistic, I just really want to have movie shockwave battle g1 optimus

The graphics look like crap.

Yeah...until I get confirmation that High Moon Studios - or whatever's left of it - are actually working on this game in some capacity, I'm not touching this with a ten-foot pole.

They weren't even laid off because Deadpool was a bad game; IIRC they got canned right after development, before it even hit the shelves. And it was adequate.

This whole thing reeks of a cash grab in an industry plagued with cash grabs.

Such negativity, wow

Sorry to read that High Moon isn't the developper. Those guys were pretty dedicated and enthusiastic about Transformers.

Okay DOTM had a lot of flaws, but FOC made up for that more than enough.

I think I'm going to enjoy the game.

And I don't care about how it not perfectly fits in with G1 or the movie. As long as it's great gameplay like FOC and has cool characters from FOC and the movies then I'm a happy gamer.

Might even get a PS4 for this

Activision has announced today that Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark is set to release this June. It will complement Age of Extinction, and go beyond the movie by tying together the movie universe with the Cybertron universe. It will be a third-person action adventure in which players may choose from over 40 characters, and battle to secure the Dark Spark. Rise of the Dark Spark will release on Xbox One, Playstation4, Xbox 360, Playstation3, Nintendo Wii U, and Nintendo 3DS, along with Windows PC.

UPDATE: Courtesy of GameStop, we have a confirmed release date of 24th June 2014 (shortly before the Age of Extinction cinema opening), and a price tag of $59.99.

And thanks to CVG.com, we have a couple of additional screenshots from the game, mostly featuring the two versions of Optimus Prime, below.



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As a follow-up to both Age of Extinction and games War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron, Rise of the Dark Spark tells the tale of the search for an ancient, powerful relic—the Dark Spark. Players can switch between factions throughout the single-player campaign. Gameplay will include fast-paced running and shooting combat, along with vehicle action and large, dynamic conflicts.

Players will also be able to access multiplayer mode, Escalation, which allows for wave-based, survival-style gameplay for up to four online players cooperatively. Rise of the Dark Spark will feature new, upgradeable defense systems, recognizable opponents, and an expanded roster of characters, past and present. A new level system unifies single- and multi-player into one consistent character development path. Any experience earned in any part of the game will unlock awards and tactical loadout choices, like new characters, stronger weapons, special abilities, and consumable bonuses, which will be available through the entire game.

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Okay, so it's set after Age of Extinction and Fall of Cybertron. Interesting.

Though how the crew of the Ark and the Nemesis will make a return for Rise of the Dark Spark will be the question. Unless it'll take place behind the scenes of Fall of Cybertron, before they go into the unstable Space Bridge.

Interesting to hear about the game taking place after both AOE and FOC. I wonder if by crossing paths with each other the Cybertronians from the Cybertron games take inspiration from the movie TFs and reformat into what they look like in Prime? It's a streach I know but still I can't help but wonder if this is another way to bridge both FOC and TFP.

Also if the game has the same features like WFC and FOC wehn it comes to customizing characters and using them in multiplayer that'll be cool. If you can indeed play 40 different characters I hope we'll see WFC Arcee and Slipstream in it as well as the sisters from ROTF.

Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

I hate hearing High Moon didn't get to keep creating fantastic Transformers games like WFC and FOC for us Also, the movieverse mash-up concept killed any interest I may have had left in this. Universe crossover versus games don't sound appealing to me. On the positive side, that is money saved towards all the greatbots revealed at Toy Fair

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

Because High Moon Studios is no more.

Sabrblade wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

Because High Moon Studios is no more.

High Moon Studios still exists. They did cut a bunch of staff after Deadpool, but from what I read, that was mostly staff that worked on that game.

i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

DoctorOblivian wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.

And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.

Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.

And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.

Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.

well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore. Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.

DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.

How do you mean?

DoctorOblivian wrote:Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.

Nope. By the time Animated was going, Alpha Trion had a Shattered Glass counterpart made, negating any Multiversal Alpha Trion from being a 13er.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.

How do you mean?

Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

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DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

All very true and i agree on fact that the methods on which it happened to each of these characters is unknown helps reinforce their own contained instances, but the point still stands, i feel that the fact that these things happened AT ALL makes Aligned not so special anymore.

We'll have to wait and see how things go down in Rise of the Dark Spark, hopefully seeing how this game will be the most prevalent of the multiverse/aligned crossings, HOW the game does it will either help or hurt the "separate multiverse" thing hasbro has been trying to do with Aligned. If the universe hopping is the result of something as simple as a space bridge malfunction or the meddling super being like Unicron then I'm gona just call straight out that Aligned being separate from the multiverse is complete BS regardless of what hasbro says.

Also it wouldn't really hurt too much by being part of the multiverse, things contradict themselves as it is to begin with. Adding aligned wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The multiverse Fallen's history is something to be said for that! In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

DoctorOblivian wrote:In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

No it wouldn't. Both that and SG Optimus Prime go against the very nature of Multiversal Singularities, in that Mult Sings do not and can not have SG counterparts, as it is simply an impossibility.

And Logos Prime is a member of the Multiversal 13, but isn't in the Aligned 13.

Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap. The most important thing is that the GAME is FUN. Highmoon made some really fun games, with single player modes that were entertaining, but the real fun was always online, whether it be co op, or multiplayer vs. What Highmoon FAILED at BRUTALLY is their terrible online support for dealing with hackers and cheaters. Actually, they had other issues like frame rate limits and other glitches, but community apps fixed most of those issues.

If there is one message I'd want to convey to the developers: DON'T SCREW US WITH ONLINE SUPPORT. With how terrible BF4 effed the gaming community (with single player no less), this had better not start becoming a trend with selling half-broken games, otherwise you better believe i'm going to stop buying legit copies and just torrent the hell outa pirated copies.

With all that said, it sounds like its going to be cool, but I don't think anyone can tell just yet. Got to play it or see gameplay vids first.