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Adding to the previous composite image of Fortress Maximus (Fort Max) from the Transformers Titans Return toy line, Hasbro are making the most of their new social media presence (on Instagram, mostly) by showing off some additional official images of the big lug - or rather, of Cerebros and Emissary (and a sneaky shot of CW Optimus and MP Bumblebee for scale comparison with Max)! Check them out below.

Transformers News: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images

Transformers News: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images

Transformers News: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images


Also, as fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath notifies us, the official Hasbro Transformers Facebook page has shared an image of the upcoming Leader class Soundwave - just chilling with some old tapes. Mirrored below for your viewing convenience, of course!

Transformers News: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images

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Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766364)
Posted by steals_your_goats on February 14th, 2016 @ 12:46pm CST
Lunatic Prime wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Lunatic Prime wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:So since things have settled down a bit I think I'll post the most recent transmissions rumors.

1. There will be a Voyager Megatron and g2 laser prime released in 2017 that WILL NOT be part of titans return but WILL be headmasters. So this pretty much confirms that titans return will probably only be 4 waves long :(

2. There will be a new legends class bumblebee released and he will look similar to his devastation game model.

2. We already got one looking like that, but I could imagine a remold of Wheely.


Which one? The only recent legends class bee I can think of is the fall of Cybertron styled one.

That one is Deluxe Class.

The Classics Bumblebee http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics/bumblebee/927/1/ and his repaints http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics/bumblebee/1624/1/, http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/reveal-the-shield/bumblebee/2278/1/ look like that game model from Devastation. They are also Deluxe class but I don't think it would be necessary to make another one in Legends class.
A remold of Wheely might be nice.


I was referring to this bee Image

I think bumblebee works in legends scale and since the one I mentioned is crap I think we could do with another try at a decent one.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766367)
Posted by .... on February 14th, 2016 @ 12:58pm CST
From the looks of it, Brainstorm's head on this version is almost exactly the same as the Generations version. :-?
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766370)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 14th, 2016 @ 1:19pm CST
alex1986lunatic wrote:
Lunatic Prime wrote:
alex1986lunatic wrote:Chromedome is definitely a heavy retool of Deadend

Yeah, the arms and the back kibble (front of the car) are definitely the same (transformation). But the rest is very different, so really heavy retool. Or they just borrowed that transformation scheme like they did with CW Brawl's legs from Rook's.


The head/chest piece is also the same. As are the the crotch, thighs, knees and the panels closing around at the lower legs :)
However, this mold has separate feet.

I think the deluxes are the highlight of the line so far. The voyagers look a bit funny...Leaders are ok. Fort Max is spectacular due to its size. We'll see how it turns out in hand

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:To clarify something from earlier, Chromedome is not a retool of the CW Dead End mold. He is his own unique mold but may have some similar engineering to the Dead End mold, much like how Energon Starscream was engineered similar to G2 Smokescreen.


What is your source? His arms and transformation (with the front end of the car on his back) really make it seem like he is based on the same design as Dead End. There was a decade between G2 smokescreen and energon Starscream while in this case, the Dead End mold is still being used for this year's releases.
For one, there's literally no identical parts shared between Dead End and Chromedome:

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There's also the notion that the Dead End mold cannot house a Titan Master figure within it no matter how much of its internals are gutted out to make room for it to fit, and which doing so would in turn eradicate a sizeable amount of the figure's robot mode structuring.

And Chromedome has flip-out feet that the Dead End mold doesn't have room for due to the way that mold transforms. That visible gap in each of Dead End's feet is for the figure's arms to go into in vehicle mode. Put some flip-out feet in those gaps and the arms have no more room to be properly tucked away in vehicle mode.

The most similarities the two molds have are similar altmode kibble protrusions on the shoulders (which themselves are shaped quite differently between the two molds), similar forward-positioned elbow joints, similar joints in general (which are found on many figures), and similar transformation schemes.

As for the G2 Smokescreen/Energon Starscream analogy, while Starscream came out in 2004, the Smokescreen mold was re-released circa 2003/2004 as RiD 2001 Smokejumper, and was again re-released in 2004 in Japan as RobotMasters Smokesniper. And their transformation would again be used for the Generations FOC Seeker mold in 2012-2014.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766374)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 14th, 2016 @ 1:31pm CST
I was unaware that the foc seekers shared that transformation scheme.

Also thanks for the info hellscreamer ;)^
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766379)
Posted by Gunmetal on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:09pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
alex1986lunatic wrote:
Lunatic Prime wrote:
alex1986lunatic wrote:Chromedome is definitely a heavy retool of Deadend

Yeah, the arms and the back kibble (front of the car) are definitely the same (transformation). But the rest is very different, so really heavy retool. Or they just borrowed that transformation scheme like they did with CW Brawl's legs from Rook's.


The head/chest piece is also the same. As are the the crotch, thighs, knees and the panels closing around at the lower legs :)
However, this mold has separate feet.

I think the deluxes are the highlight of the line so far. The voyagers look a bit funny...Leaders are ok. Fort Max is spectacular due to its size. We'll see how it turns out in hand

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:To clarify something from earlier, Chromedome is not a retool of the CW Dead End mold. He is his own unique mold but may have some similar engineering to the Dead End mold, much like how Energon Starscream was engineered similar to G2 Smokescreen.


What is your source? His arms and transformation (with the front end of the car on his back) really make it seem like he is based on the same design as Dead End. There was a decade between G2 smokescreen and energon Starscream while in this case, the Dead End mold is still being used for this year's releases.
For one, there's literally no identical parts shared between Dead End and Chromedome:

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http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... tans22.jpg
http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... C%2017.jpg
http://www.seibertron.com/images/events ... n-047a.jpg

There's also the notion that the Dead End mold cannot house a Titan Master figure within it no matter how much of its internals are gutted out to make room for it to fit, and which doing so would in turn eradicate a sizeable amount of the figure's robot mode structuring.

And Chromedome has flip-out feet that the Dead End mold doesn't have room for due to the way that mold transforms. That visible gap in each of Dead End's feet is for the figure's arms to go into in vehicle mode. Put some flip-out feet in those gaps and the arms have no more room to be properly tucked away in vehicle mode.

The most similarities the two molds have are similar altmode kibble protrusions on the shoulders (which themselves are shaped quite differently between the two molds), similar forward-positioned elbow joints, similar joints in general (which are found on many figures), and similar transformation schemes.

As for the G2 Smokescreen/Energon Starscream analogy, while Starscream came out in 2004, the Smokescreen mold was re-released circa 2003/2004 as RiD 2001 Smokejumper, and was again re-released in 2004 in Japan as RobotMasters Smokesniper. And their transformation would again be used for the Generations FOC Seeker mold in 2012-2014.
Looking at the two, there's just too many similarities for Chromedome to have not started from Dead End (or Streetwise), but probably not past the CAD stage. It looks like every singe piece is different, even the wheels and fists, to say nothing of the parts and joints needed for the new feet, canopy, and torso modifications.

Do we call this a retool? Do we come up with a new term (e.g. "total retool")? Is it all just semantics anyway? After all, from Springer/Sandstorm to now, we've seen a spectrum that throws the 3-step "New mold-retool-redeco" model out the window.

Whatever we call it, I'm not complaining. This process of engineering one guy into another absolutely fascinates me.

BTW, I have to ask, if you can take a combiner limb and make it a headmaster, what are the odds that you can use Mindwipe, Skullcruncher, and a potential Weirdwolf to design Cutthroat, Rippersnapper, and Sinnertwin? =P~
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766381)
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:12pm CST
Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:
Deathsaurus1 wrote:What size class is titan wars Galvatron?

I hope he's leader class.

Voyager


Really :(
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766384)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:20pm CST
Randomus wrote:Looking at the two, there's just too many similarities for Chromedome to have not started from Dead End (or Streetwise), but probably not past the CAD stage. It looks like every singe piece is different, even the wheels and fists, to say nothing of the parts and joints needed for the new feet, canopy, and torso modifications.

Do we call this a retool? Do we come up with a new term (e.g. "total retool")? Is it all just semantics anyway? After all, from Springer/Sandstorm to now, we've seen a spectrum that throws the 3-step "New mold-retool-redeco" model out the window.
Like I said, it's basically the same case that G2 Smokescreen, Energon Starscream, and FOC Starscream were. Different molds using similar engineering to get the same basic transformation across the board.

Other cases like this would be:
  • The G1 Bumblebee, G1 Cliffjumper, and G1 Bumper molds
  • The G1 Runabout and G1 Runamuck molds
  • The Alternators Smokescreen and Alternators Meister molds
  • The Energon Sledge/Bonecrusher and Cybertron Hardtop molds
  • The Prime Cyberverse Legion Knock Out and Prime Beast Hunters Cyberverse Legion Smokescreen molds
  • The DOTM Deluxe Roadbuster and AOE Deluxe Lockdown molds
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766385)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:21pm CST
Deathsaurus1 wrote:
Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:
Deathsaurus1 wrote:What size class is titan wars Galvatron?

I hope he's leader class.

Voyager


Really :(

Why did you hope he's Leader class? Did you want him to have a base mode or is it just the scale?
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766390)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:26pm CST
seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766391)
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:30pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:sorry you guys feel that way but G1 is where it all began and is a big part of the franchise
Of course it is. But that doesn't make it the only important one.

Ultra Markus wrote:besides you G1 haters
Feeling tired or bored by something isn't the same thing as hating.

Ultra Markus wrote:have robots in disguise and rescuebots to drool over >:oP
Sure, cuz those toys are all worth drooling over. >:oP

i never said they were the most important >:oP
you get tired of something long enough you will start to hate it >:oP
your liking the two new toy lines is your opinion and thats cool as long as kids buy into it
and make hasbro money thats fine with me >:oP
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766392)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:31pm CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!

All good things to those who wait ;-)
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766394)
Posted by .... on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:31pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!

All good things to those who wait ;-)


Haha so true. At least we got Fort Max!!! :D
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766396)
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:35pm CST
Meh. Only figure I really like is max, and he is far too large to be a practical purchase or addition to the collection.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766404)
Posted by kurthy on February 14th, 2016 @ 2:51pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Randomus wrote:Looking at the two, there's just too many similarities for Chromedome to have not started from Dead End (or Streetwise), but probably not past the CAD stage. It looks like every singe piece is different, even the wheels and fists, to say nothing of the parts and joints needed for the new feet, canopy, and torso modifications.

Do we call this a retool? Do we come up with a new term (e.g. "total retool")? Is it all just semantics anyway? After all, from Springer/Sandstorm to now, we've seen a spectrum that throws the 3-step "New mold-retool-redeco" model out the window.
Like I said, it's basically the same case that G2 Smokescreen, Energon Starscream, and FOC Starscream were. Different molds using similar engineering to get the same basic transformation across the board.

Other cases like this would be:
  • The G1 Bumblebee, G1 Cliffjumper, and G1 Bumper molds
  • The G1 Runabout and G1 Runamuck molds,
  • The Alternators Smokescreen and Alternators Meister molds
  • The Energon Sledge/Bonecrusher and Cybertron Hardtop molds
  • The Prime Cyberverse Legion Knock Out and Prime Beast Hunters Cyberverse Legion Smokescreen molds
  • The DOTM Deluxe Roadbuster and AOE Deluxe Lockdown molds


I think you guys are trying to say the same. I think they use the exact same transformation scheme but only one or two parts are the same.
1. The knees to the waist are the same.
2. The combiner peg takes up a lot of space so having a hollow space there but having a solid connection between the shoulders would probably increase mold stability. The dead end mold is almost completely hollow from the stomach to the back/canopy.
3. The chromedome mold has the door panel stop at the wrist rather than halfway down the forearm. This means that the feet can take the space where the lower forearms would go.
4. With no more need for a combiner peg or a head, there is more than enough room for the master to fit in vehicle mode under the canopy.

By my count there are 17 shared parts (4 are wheels). Crotch, hips, knees, clavicles, and the parts connecting the front end to the back.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766407)
Posted by Autobot N on February 14th, 2016 @ 3:02pm CST
For the whole Chromedome/Dead End thing, I'm kinda in the middle. While it is apparent that parts are shared between the two, it was said that the TR deluxes are larger than CW, which means that this is most likely a case of DOTM Roadbuster, TTR Evac, and AOE Lockdown, where the base transformation is shared.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766418)
Posted by Deadput on February 14th, 2016 @ 3:40pm CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!


They gotta save the rest for later toy events in the year you know like how every other year has been.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766427)
Posted by VioMeTriX on February 14th, 2016 @ 4:29pm CST
the headmaster gimmick is neat and all, but it is funny as the actual head robots are exactly the same as the ones from the 80's. in this day and age I think we could've gotten a little more articulation.
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Posted by william-james88 on February 14th, 2016 @ 4:57pm CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!


You need to keep some Q4 stuff for Botcon, especially with this being the last one.

Crosscheck wrote: I also love that Cerebros transforms into a tower like the G1 toy.


He does? Where was that shown at this toy fair, you have a pic of his tower mode?

Crosscheck wrote: It also looks like he interacts with the leader class figures to make an even bigger city mode. I should be able to have a pretty good sized Autobot City for Devastator to rampage through when this is all said and done.


We are still not sure of this. The box shows that the leader bases connect to his space ship mode, not his city mode:

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Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:What is your source? His arms and transformation (with the front end of the car on his back) really make it seem like he is based on the same design as Dead End. There was a decade between G2 smokescreen and energon Starscream while in this case, the Dead End mold is still being used for this year's releases.
For one, there's literally no identical parts shared between Dead End and Chromedome.
(snip)

The most similarities the two molds have are similar altmode kibble protrusions on the shoulders (which themselves are shaped quite differently between the two molds), similar forward-positioned elbow joints, similar joints in general (which are found on many figures), and similar transformation schemes.


Thats not a source that just your opinion based on what you qualify as a retool. Here's what I qualify as a retool, them using the same base mold, which they totally do. Everything about this toy is based on the same precise cuts and parts to make him work like Dead End. What kills me is that forearm design , with the same curvature and design with just a difference in mold detailing. But deep down it's the same shit. We'll have the proof when its in hand and we'll see everything is the same size and proportion (unlike every example you propose which is more inspiration/coincidence). This is the same shit as the one steps and Dark Crumplezone. Using different detailing on what is the same base mold, basing itself on the exact same design.

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Transformers Cybertron Dark Crumplezone (Arm Bullet) Gallery

This, PMOP, Fort Max, Chromia, Dark Crumplezone, CW Streetwise and First Aid, its all retools to me. As far as I see it, they could have started from scratch to give Chromedome his own mold, but they based it all off Dead End's, to the exact angles of curvature for inner design.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766435)
Posted by Deadput on February 14th, 2016 @ 4:58pm CST
VioMeTriX wrote:the headmaster gimmick is neat and all, but it is funny as the actual head robots are exactly the same as the ones from the 80's. in this day and age I think we could've gotten a little more articulation.


Only thing I can think of that they could of done was make the legs separate and not combined.


These headmasters are smaller then the original ones from the 80's so less likely to get articulation.


Plus is you give them to much articulation your going to end up with a crappy head.
Re: Toy Fair 2016 - Transformers Titans Return Fort Max Emissary and Cerebros Official Images #HasbroToyFair #TFNY (1766436)
Posted by Emerje on February 14th, 2016 @ 4:58pm CST
william-james88 wrote:We are saying pretty much the same thing about the Fort Max sword, mainly that the version that comes with the sword will be limited in number compared to the version that doesnt come with the sowrd.

Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. Going by the fact sheet, which has been accurate so far, the mass retail version that'll be available to everyone will come with the exclusive sword, whatever other version Hasbro makes, be it for SDCC or whatever, wont have the sword. Exclusive isn't the same as limited.

Of course we've seen a number of changes from "Titan Wars" to Toy Fair 2016 so they may have dropped that. No weapons at all except for on his knees would really suck.

BTW, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Titans Return being bumped from a summer release to fall. With CW on its last wave I wonder how they intend to fill the gap? I know some people were expecting TR to start hitting shelves as early as April or May based on the summer release, but with fall it could be more like August. Most of the first wave of TR figures on display look to be finished with no hand painting so I guess it's just a matter of waiting for supply to build?

Stuartmaximus wrote:seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!

Toy Fair is more about showing off concepts to other professionals in the industry and products that are basically ready for the shelves. It's completely closed to the public, the only outsiders allowed in are the media. Notice the lack of glass display cases? It's not about revealing fan favorite characters to get a big reaction, they save that for BotCon in the spring, SDCC in the summer, and NYCC in the fall. Therefore Toy Fair in recent years has been about showing things we knew for sure were in the works while the other conventions are for showing things we've only heard rumor of and some surprises.

Emerje

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