Toy Fair 2018 - Gallery of Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking #HasbroToyFair #NYTF

Alt modes look pretty spot on, for what they are meant to be, except for razor claw who looks like an elephant with a lion’s head.

It’s interesting that razor claw looks super beefy in lion mode, but ends up super trim in combined mode. Where does all that bulk go?

Maybe a little more carbs in his diet can help out with that ballerina waist.

The Predaking on the show floor seems to be mistransformed. The legs of his arm components are fully extended, whereas they are retracted on the CGI render and box art. It would explain why his arms look so off and why his hands reach all the way down to his knees.

Lore Keeper wrote:The Predaking on the show floor seems to be mistransformed. The legs of his arm components are fully extended, whereas they are retracted on the CGI render and box art. It would explain why his arms look so off and why his hands reach all the way down to his knees.

I like the longer arms - seems to fix his proportions somewhat. Third party hands will definitely go a long way. I'm still not sure about that skinny torso though.

The waist doesn't really bother me. I think the figure looks really cool.

Robots ate my wallet...

And price of Jinbao Predaking goes through the roof. Looks like I'm gonna pass on em. Hopefully he might turn up at Ollie's for $50 then I might pick him up

Easy pass. Just like Devestator, it's too big, and too plain looking.

I like him and I like the fact he’s a boxset. Collecting individual teams is getting tedious. Don’t mind the svelte look... he was quite solder in some depictions though, the toy was pure bulk.

Not as excited about anything in the potp series as I was for CW and TR but I’ll definitely be getting a few inc the dinobots, predaking and the legends toys. But many more figures are a pass than in the other lines

Even the box artwork has his spiked knuckles! Yet the toy's knuckles are flat.

Will Onyx Prime get a Pretender shell, like the ones being released in stores? Initially I passed on them, but I might start picking them up, just for the shells and gunmodes.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Even the box artwork has his spiked knuckles! Yet the toy's knuckles are flat.

Will Onyx Prime get a Pretender shell, like the ones being released in stores? Initially I passed on them, but I might start picking them up, just for the shells and gunmodes.

He should get his own shell in the main line, in fact his detailing may reveal which character... unfortunately I have no idea:



I'm leaning towards Icepick, but I'm open to other suggestions.

Looks like Predaking has been hitting the gym in his time since the G1 days. I guess I'll pick this up at some point. Too bad Takara is doing a copy and paste on all the Hasbro products this time around. It would have been interesting to see what changes they would have made with a Unite Warriors version that would almost definitely include a sword.

I like him. And the Preds sizes individually compared to the Leaders is encouraging. But I will say this Predaking looks a lot leaner than the beefy linebacker Predaking of yore. But I will take something over nothing!

Can he fit a Prime Master in him somewhere or is that for scale?

Flashwave wrote:I like him. And the Preds sizes individually compared to the Leaders is encouraging. But I will say this Predaking looks a lot leaner than the beefy linebacker Predaking of yore. But I will take something over nothing!

Can he fit a Prime Master in him somewhere or is that for scale?

Onyx Prime will be held/stored by Predaking, and in fact only come with Predaking!

Ouch.

Black Hat wrote:
Ouch.

Yikes... the whole leg including the hip!

Guess it won't be so bad as no one is going to be displaying the figures that way round but still...yeesh

Black Hat wrote:
Ouch.

They definitely should've gone the Devastator route and made Razorclaw close to leader size so this wouldn't have happened.

Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

I had guessed at the leg/hip being a part of Tantrum and Headstrong was going to be a thing when I saw some photos where you could partially see something huge and black was tucked into them in beast forms. I wish I tucked in better for bot mode, but not a deal breaker. He'll be king most of the time and I like how Predaking looks still.

SureShot18 wrote:Those Predacon altmodes give me actual physical pain.

I try not to make negative posts, but seriously it’s been 34 years, you’d think they could make something other than bricks on sticks.

Sadly, Yes you are right, and why is Divebombs beast mode so off?

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

The size purists would, I'm sure. Again, all 5 G1 Predacons were the same size, and they combined. Sure, proportions were off on the torso like on FoC Bruticus (to be fair, Predaking wasn't designed by Takara proper, but an outside designer), but the novelty and characterization made up for that.

To replicate that and make a proportionate bot fit for this day and age, something had to give, in case relocating some of the torso's mass to his limbs. You know, I wonder if Leader with 4 Voyagers would even be possible, taking mass/weight, size and general construction in consideration. Anybody in here with a PhD in physics and/or architecture?

Va'al wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Those Predacon altmodes give me actual physical pain.

I try not to make negative posts, but seriously it’s been 34 years, you’d think they could make something other than bricks on sticks.

I've been thinking about this, and I believe - but this is just me thinking as I've been looking at screen all day while on call with people in the US - that this might be the G1 a small lot of fandom has been asking for.. and the team has tipped too far into.

Meaning they effectively look the same as G1, just with maybe a couple more joints? I liked the general look of Devastator more, that also did a similar thing, but this just feels.. eh.

Part of me wishes it was G1 but with more joints, we would get better looking beast modes (those were the best part of the G1 toy). Like that Divebomb, it is very are off from the G1 version in terms of where the head is.

I think its the reverse. They went for a totally new transformation on Predaking (which they did, by making the bull and rhino the full legs and making divebomb and rampage part of the torso instead of just the arms) and then tried to fit that with the blocky G1 toy look of individual components. So things look off.

Here is what I mean.

G1 divebomb





POTP Divebomb



Parts are no longer where they used to be.

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

I am a bit disappointed with this...
Actually, Predaking looks okay, although the blocky rather than spikey/pointed pieces on the hips/crotch just look cheap to me... That design change is so drastic imo.

Is there any chance that the upper leg/hip portions can be removed from those figures that form the the legs??

At any rate, as someone else said, I'm most excited about Abominus in this line.

Black Hat wrote:
Ouch.

Dispite my initial negative reaction, after looking at pics if the combined mode for a day or so, I was really starting to warm up to this.

Then I saw your picture. That kibble is 109% stupid and idiotic, and lazy. At the very least, it should be removable kibble.

Super fail.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

Why?

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

Why?

Because they are all as threathening. One isnt more powerful than the rest. They are a team you dont want to fuck with. Its kinda like with the Ninja Turtles, sure Leo's theleader but he isn't better than the rest. They are all equally bad ass and are all the same height and build.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

Why?

Because they are all as threathening. One isnt more powerful than the rest. They are a team you dont want to **** with. Its kinda like with the Ninja Turtles, sure Leo's theleader but he isn't better than the rest. They are all equally bad ass and are all the same height and build.

Er, Raph's bigger than the others (and, this time, the leader) in the new upcoming series.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

Why?

Because they are all as threathening. One isnt more powerful than the rest. They are a team you dont want to **** with. Its kinda like with the Ninja Turtles, sure Leo's theleader but he isn't better than the rest. They are all equally bad ass and are all the same height and build.

Er, Raph's bigger than the others (and, this time, the leader) in the new upcoming series.

Does it look like i keep up with the turtles?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

Why?

Because they are all as threathening. One isnt more powerful than the rest. They are a team you dont want to **** with. Its kinda like with the Ninja Turtles, sure Leo's theleader but he isn't better than the rest. They are all equally bad ass and are all the same height and build.

Er, Raph's bigger than the others (and, this time, the leader) in the new upcoming series.

Does it look like i keep up with the turtles?

Twas your example.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tell me honestly, guys. Would anyone here have been genuinely upset if they had made Predaking with Razorclaw being at least a little bigger (if not more than a little bigger) than the other four Predacons? Does Razorclaw being exactly the same size as the others really matter than much?

Yes.

Why?

Because they are all as threathening. One isnt more powerful than the rest. They are a team you dont want to **** with. Its kinda like with the Ninja Turtles, sure Leo's theleader but he isn't better than the rest. They are all equally bad ass and are all the same height and build.

Er, Raph's bigger than the others (and, this time, the leader) in the new upcoming series.

Does it look like i keep up with the turtles?

Twas your example.

To answer Sabsie's question. I could see that it would matter to some. Wouldn't matter to me. They are robotic animals. They can be any size they want/need to be. Also, Voltron. They are all the same animal. One is bigger than the rest. That's never mattered to anyone me.

Honestly, I wouldn't have been particularly bothered if Razorclaw was a bit bigger than his limbs. Not monstrously so but just big enough that he had enough mass to make a better torso. And honestly, from my experience, 5-man combiner teams that don't rely on partsforming really, really need the torso member to be bigger than the limb-bots. You can futz with it a bit (Feral Rex looks decent in combined mode with a fairly small torso, and hits that "anime super robot" look) but in general, the torso needs more mass than the limbs in order to fucntion well and look good.

I fear Titan Predaking tried to have his cake and eat it with scale. They could have had them all the same size and give Predaking himself a relatively small but solid torso, again like late 80s/early 90s anime robots. But they wanted to have them all be the same size and yet have a more "regularly" proportioned combined mode, and the result was...disappointing.

Cobotron wrote:Also, Voltron. They are all the same animal. One is bigger than the rest. That's never mattered to anyone me.

Even better, two of those lions are even smaller than the other three.

I don't feel like reading though all the pages, but I have this much to say:

I am very disappointed. Was disappointed Saturday seeing the story on Twitter, disappointed Sunday, and still disappointed today.

He is so bland... the individuals are so awfully bland and boxy and... no, just no. Devastator and the Constructicons were decent in individual modes and beyond awesome in Devy mode, but Predaking here even looks bland and sad.

And he is the only way you can get Onyx Prime? and without a Prime Master suit? I'm very sad.

I still plan to get him, but he will be very low on the priority list. Which is a major let down for me

Overall I like what I see. I think the robot modes are good (except the back of headstrong and tantrum) and combined mode looks great. Disappointed with the lack of a sword, hopefully SDCC will have a special edition with one.

I feel like this was one combiner that no matter which way they went Hasbro was going to get shit for. Make him a standard scramble city type and you'll have people complaining about how he's no longer bigger than the other combiners and how Razorclaw is too big. You'd get the same complaints if they made Razorclaw closer to leader size here. If they made him a parts former for the legs you'd have people complaining about him being a parts former and be calling hasbro lazy. They don't make him a parts former and then this happens. They tried to do everything and unsurprisingly came up short.

steals_your_goats wrote:I feel like this was one combiner that no matter which way they went Hasbro was going to get **** for. Make him a standard scramble city type and you'll have people complaining about how he's no longer bigger than the other combiners and how Razorclaw is too big. You'd get the same complaints if they made Razorclaw closer to leader size here. If they made him a parts former for the legs you'd have people complaining about him being a parts former and be calling hasbro lazy. They don't make him a parts former and then this happens. They tried to do everything and unsurprisingly came up short.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I feel like this was one combiner that no matter which way they went Hasbro was going to get **** for. Make him a standard scramble city type and you'll have people complaining about how he's no longer bigger than the other combiners and how Razorclaw is too big. You'd get the same complaints if they made Razorclaw closer to leader size here. If they made him a parts former for the legs you'd have people complaining about him being a parts former and be calling hasbro lazy. They don't make him a parts former and then this happens. They tried to do everything and unsurprisingly came up short.

I agree as well. But you know what? I am not fond of any of the constructicons on their own either. I think the only one that actually works well is Takara's Scrapper. The rest feel like OS KO toys, they really do. But the combined form is great so I dont mind. Same will happen with this one. At least my favourite Predacon, Rampage, seems like a good update to G1. Especially the tiger head.

Everytime I look over the photos I get that same giddy feeling I got looking over Devastator. Yeah, there are some areas of eh-ness, but it just looks fun. I only ever had Tantrum as a kid, and yeah, it was a brick with legs. I loved him all the same. So I see the black connector bit hanging off the back and, well, I don't display these toys as I do my MPs, unless I throw in Devastator in combined mode to fill in the Decipticon portion and yeah, it's not perfect but it works ok. I play with the other toys alot, in that I transform them back and forth when I can't sleep at night. I'm looking forward to doing that to these toys, they look like they may have simpler transformations, and some kibble that is hard to ignore for people who display perhaps (though why you would display them with their backs facing out is odd to me), but for those who want to play with these it could easier to ignore. And, as a parent, I could see myself buying these for my kids and kids really loving these toys that combine into a giant robot toy that is presumably way more possible than the giant robot toys like power rangers that share the same gimmick of combination.
So I do get the issues people see on it, but I think we should all hold off on pitchforks and torches till we get some real in-hands type of stuff.
If you don't like it your wrong! Kidding, if you really don't like it, that's cool. But I hope you guys are ok with my inner kid bouncing with glee at the toy.

So the only G1 combiner I actually liked and his new toy just looks.... bleh... The third party ones look far better than this and they all came years before. It just looks so mediocre in both combined and indivual robot and beast mode forms. Yeah, PotP is just not a line I am enjoying at all. Full of wasted opportunities.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:So the only G1 combiner I actually liked and his new toy just looks.... bleh... The third party ones look far better than this and they all came years before. It just looks so mediocre in both combined and indivual robot and beast mode forms. Yeah, PotP is just not a line I am enjoying at all. Full of wasted opportunities.

Yeah, it is completely lacking of any style, charisma, or character, everything that really made predaking who he was wasn't really carried over to this...

(I'm a little behind on this topic... )

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:He should get his own shell in the main line, in fact his detailing may reveal which character... unfortunately I have no idea:



I'm leaning towards Icepick, but I'm open to other suggestions.

Considering the retailer version looks to be a lighter yellow-orange color I'm going to guess Pincher:



First off the color of the shell matches the Prime Master to a T. Second Onyx Prime's thing is beasts and Pincher is one of the only humanoid Pretenders with an inner bot with a beast alt mode. I suppose they could go with Stranglehold since his inner bot is the same color as Onyx Prime, but I don't think a half naked guy with a porn 'stache makes for a good suit of armor (for anyone other than Stranglehold anyway). On the down side Onyx is probably being aligned with Decepticons if Predaking is anything to go by so he may very well be paired with a 'Con shell. (I know that in the story they don't really have alignments, but I feel like to mix their toy pairings up once they assign a shell or establish a pack-in in Predaking's case).

Emerje

Black Hat wrote:...Oh.

That isn't good.

...errrrr.

hmm. nope.



i like the gestalt... kinda?
but, the indiv PREDS?
yeesh.

I was ready to sell my Feral Rex two years ago when the first inkling of a Titan Predaking came up. Now, I'm having second thoughts. (he's just been sitting in boxes for about 18 months because I'm lazy) The combined mode looks the best, the individual robots are mostly okay, but the beasts are bleh. I'm solidly of the opinion that Razorclaw should be bigger because you can't have a well-proportioned combiner when the torso is the same size as the shin. I really appreciate what they've tried to do here and I'm not 100% out yet, but I'm definitely going to wait on reviews. When I got Takara Devastator I wound up liking that a lot, maybe this will be similar. Or maybe not. We'll see what in-hand reviewers have to say.

Also, I'm still digging through the regular POTP thread and stumbled upon these posts. This can't go un-addressed.

william-james88 wrote:Ok so about Predaking, I know that the back of the robot modes for the legs look like eye sores and I also think it doesnt look good. But I know why its there. Is so that Steeljaw isnt bigger than the rest. I have the KO Feral Rex and the alt modes are not great, at all. Especially the Steeljaw component which looks completely out of wack in the proportions department.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:To me, the Predacons have always been the epitome of overly-blocky. So I don't mind it too much. I would have preferred to just have some sort of leader class Rampage, though. That may have alleviated this issue.

The lion is named Razorclaw. Come on now.

King Kuuga wrote:The lion is named Razorclaw. Come on now.

Did you say Lio Convoy? Ravage doesn't look all that bad. I think the Voltron Black Lion is probably the best of the five.

Emerje

So there are no individual weapons for the bots and no sword for Predaking.

The leg bots have that long kibble that, as of now, doesn't integrate into robot modes.

It's at least $50 more than Devastator who, for better or worse, had weapons for the individual bots and Devastator, and worked the combiner kibble in better.

I'm disappointed, not CW Combaticons disappointed, but I've really lost interest in this figure. Oh well, like Devastator there's always Takara. Oh, wait... Damn!

There's still chance that they can add weapons in, after all there is a few months yet till he shows up at retail.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It's at least $50 more than Devastator who, for better or worse, had weapons for the individual bots and Devastator, and worked the combiner kibble in better

When was it said that it'll be $50 more? Every Titan so far has been $150.

steals_your_goats wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It's at least $50 more than Devastator who, for better or worse, had weapons for the individual bots and Devastator, and worked the combiner kibble in better

When was it said that it'll be $50 more? Every Titan so far has been $150.

I have no clue why Chuckdawg is writing this. There is 0 evidence that it will be more than any previous titan, all this is doing is spreading fear and misinformation.

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:It's at least $50 more than Devastator who, for better or worse, had weapons for the individual bots and Devastator, and worked the combiner kibble in better

When was it said that it'll be $50 more? Every Titan so far has been $150.

I have no clue why Chuckdawg is writing this. There is 0 evidence that it will be more than any previous titan, all this is doing is spreading fear and misinformation.

It's not $50, but I vaguely remember Devastator being $120 for the MSRP... Well, nevermind on that. I thought it was $120, but my pre-order price was 139.99, and I believe that was a discounted price. Sounds like it's been $150 since Devs.

Though, technically Metroplex (the first Titan) was definitely not $150, but that is kind of a different story.

ZeroWolf wrote:There's still chance that they can add weapons in, after all there is a few months yet till he shows up at retail.

Based on what we've seen so far, I would put that chance at about 0.001%.